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Post by happyhoix on Aug 12, 2022 11:14:13 GMT -5
So Trump said they can release the Subpoena but does he actually have to sign off on it? If he doesn't sign off does it automatically get released. I figure it would be just like him to say publicly that they can release it, but not actually give permission in writing just so he can call them liars. Not sure but I believe the FBI said it would release the warranty unless Trump asked them NOT to release it. Trump has to make up his mind today. They said they are talking to outside council. My guess is that Trump will tell the FBI NOT to release it and lie and say the FBI won’t let him release it during an active investigation (which mirrors the lie he gave about not releasing his tax returns).
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2022 11:38:40 GMT -5
So Trump said they can release the Subpoena but does he actually have to sign off on it? If he doesn't sign off does it automatically get released. I figure it would be just like him to say publicly that they can release it, but not actually give permission in writing just so he can call them liars. Not sure but I believe the FBI said it would release the warranty unless Trump asked them NOT to release it. Trump has to make up his mind today. They said they are talking to outside council. My guess is that Trump will tell the FBI NOT to release it and lie and say the FBI won’t let him release it during an active investigation (which mirrors the lie he gave about not releasing his tax returns). trump and his lawyers have until 3 p.m. to let the judge know whether it's okay to release or not. I imagine it will be the judge who then announces it. Better a judge announce it than trump.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2022 11:42:15 GMT -5
There is talk/speculation that some of the documents the F.B.I. were looking were classified regarding the U.S.'s nuclear capabilities and other nuclear-related stuff. Conservative bobble heads were stating trump as president declassified the classified status.
But not so fast....
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 12, 2022 11:48:11 GMT -5
So Trump said they can release the Subpoena but does he actually have to sign off on it? If he doesn't sign off does it automatically get released. I figure it would be just like him to say publicly that they can release it, but not actually give permission in writing just so he can call them liars. Not sure but I believe the FBI said it would release the warranty unless Trump asked them NOT to release it. Trump has to make up his mind today. They said they are talking to outside council. My guess is that Trump will tell the FBI NOT to release it and lie and say the FBI won’t let him release it during an active investigation (which mirrors the lie he gave about not releasing his tax returns). The Department of Justice has filed a motion with the court to unsealed the warrant. Trump has the option to contest the release. The judge is going to decide whether or not to unsealed it. I assume the judge will simply allow it if Trump doesn't object but it is still up to the judge. The FBI isn't actively involved in this phase.
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Post by dondub on Aug 12, 2022 12:01:30 GMT -5
Not sure but I believe the FBI said it would release the warranty unless Trump asked them NOT to release it. Trump has to make up his mind today. They said they are talking to outside council. My guess is that Trump will tell the FBI NOT to release it and lie and say the FBI won’t let him release it during an active investigation (which mirrors the lie he gave about not releasing his tax returns). The Department of Justice has filed a motion with the court to unsealed the warrant. Trump has the option to contest the release. The judge is going to decide whether or not to unsealed it. I assume the judge will simply allow it if Trump doesn't object but it is still up to the judge. The FBI isn't actively involved in this phase. The American people have the right to know.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 12, 2022 12:49:59 GMT -5
The Department of Justice has filed a motion with the court to unsealed the warrant. Trump has the option to contest the release. The judge is going to decide whether or not to unsealed it. I assume the judge will simply allow it if Trump doesn't object but it is still up to the judge. The FBI isn't actively involved in this phase. The American people have the right to know. I certainly hope the judge agrees.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Aug 12, 2022 14:11:43 GMT -5
The American people have the right to know. I certainly hope the judge agrees. Many Trump supporters won't believe anything bad of Trump under any circumstance.
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Post by swamp on Aug 12, 2022 14:13:44 GMT -5
I certainly hope the judge agrees. Many Trump supporters won't believe anything bad of Trump under any circumstance. Exactly. I just read a comment on FB from someone who should know better that "Obama took more classified stuff with him than Trump did."
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 12, 2022 14:25:56 GMT -5
That's because trumpers follow fox which leaves out pertinent facts then they repeat it. I have some friends like that. When I correct them or give them the real facts they call me a left liberal. I give up on them. I'm a little left but they are so far right it's sickening.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2022 14:29:41 GMT -5
Many Trump supporters won't believe anything bad of Trump under any circumstance. Exactly. I just read a comment on FB from someone who should know better that "Obama took more classified stuff with him than Trump did." The FB poster seems intentionally unaware Obama had the National Archives' approval to do so.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2022 14:35:08 GMT -5
I certainly hope the judge agrees. Many Trump supporters won't believe anything bad of Trump under any circumstance. i am not concerned with the cult any more. i am concerned with independents that lean Republican.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2022 14:57:33 GMT -5
Judge has unsealed the search warrant document.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2022 15:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by jelloshots4all on Aug 12, 2022 16:09:34 GMT -5
Potential espionage! trump can't spell or understand what that word is though
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2022 16:53:28 GMT -5
oh yeah. espionage. i saw that on the menu at the taqueria.
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Post by saveinla on Aug 12, 2022 17:04:18 GMT -5
Exactly. I just read a comment on FB from someone who should know better that "Obama took more classified stuff with him than Trump did." The FB poster seems intentionally unaware Obama had the National Archives' approval to do so. National archives replied on Twitter today that they are holding Obamas documents.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2022 17:30:57 GMT -5
The FB poster seems intentionally unaware Obama had the National Archives' approval to do so. National archives replied on Twitter today that they are holding Obamas documents. I posted a linked article regarding Obama, National Archives and the documents in one of the Trump threads yesterday.
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2022 17:44:43 GMT -5
I'm finding it hard to work out what this is actually about. Someone on TV mentioned something about some fake nuclear letters?Who knows. I dont suppose the FBI is going to have a press conference What kind of TV station are you watching? There 15 boxes from the WH that we have been made aware of by the media. I don't expect any instant confirmation on anything. They will be sifting through 15 boxes of stuff and cataloging it, After that, we may learn some of what is in there. Fake nuclear letters. Why would that even be a thing and why would Trump create such things in the WH AND then bring them home instead of flush them down the toliet with the other stuff? FWIW, the Trumps had their staff turn the cameras back on, so Donald, Eric and I think Jr all watched on CCTV during the search and retrieval of boxes.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 12, 2022 20:01:28 GMT -5
There's supposed to be a caravan of his supporters driving from Miami-Dade to Mar-a-Lago tomorrow. I hope this motley crew is met with all three drawbridges in the up position. The tony Palm Beach townies will not be amused at the sight of them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 12, 2022 20:05:13 GMT -5
There's supposed to be a caravan of his supporters driving from Miami-Dade to Mar-a-Lago tomorrow. I hope this motley crew is met with all three drawbridges in the up position. The tony Palm Beach townies will not be amused at the sight of them. pretty culty.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 12, 2022 20:21:20 GMT -5
There's supposed to be a caravan of his supporters driving from Miami-Dade to Mar-a-Lago tomorrow. I hope this motley crew is met with all three drawbridges in the up position. The tony Palm Beach townies will not be amused at the sight of them. Packin' legal firearms I'm sure.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 13, 2022 2:44:45 GMT -5
I'm finding it hard to work out what this is actually about. Someone on TV mentioned something about some fake nuclear letters?Who knows. I dont suppose the FBI is going to have a press conference What kind of TV station are you watching? There 15 boxes from the WH that we have been made aware of by the media. I don't expect any instant confirmation on anything. They will be sifting through 15 boxes of stuff and cataloging it, After that, we may learn some of what is in there. Fake nuclear letters. Why would that even be a thing and why would Trump create such things in the WH AND then bring them home instead of flush them down the toliet with the other stuff? FWIW, the Trumps had their staff turn the cameras back on, so Donald, Eric and I think Jr all watched on CCTV during the search and retrieval of boxes. I suppose this is what happens when there is no confirmation of anything. People start guessing. Trump wanting to illicit sympathy for being a victim of the FBI ......... all depends on what they are looking for and whether they found it.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 13, 2022 6:09:30 GMT -5
They have said it again on a discussion on the beeb
"could be classified nuclear documentation" that was kept at his home.
If so, the FBI would be justified in going to look for the documents.... and they need to get the information out there before the Trump supporters start rioting. (though they probably wont believe it)
The FBI is not the enemy and cannot be treated as such.
Trump is not the cause of this "otherness". It existed before he was on the scene.
From here, it looks like the Democrats don't have a powerful enough counter argument or unification force.
So what happens now?
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Post by Opti on Aug 13, 2022 6:26:21 GMT -5
What kind of TV station are you watching? There 15 boxes from the WH that we have been made aware of by the media. I don't expect any instant confirmation on anything. They will be sifting through 15 boxes of stuff and cataloging it, After that, we may learn some of what is in there. Fake nuclear letters. Why would that even be a thing and why would Trump create such things in the WH AND then bring them home instead of flush them down the toliet with the other stuff? FWIW, the Trumps had their staff turn the cameras back on, so Donald, Eric and I think Jr all watched on CCTV during the search and retrieval of boxes. I suppose this is what happens when there is no confirmation of anything. People start guessing. Trump wanting to illicit sympathy for being a victim of the FBI ......... all depends on what they are looking for and whether they found it. Trump wanted to continue pretending to be a victim even though this is all because of his own actions. He's not going to tell his followers the truth, that he was asked multiple times to return docs and he refused.
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Post by Opti on Aug 13, 2022 6:41:45 GMT -5
FOX is busy gaslighting Americans on Trump's behalf. "The real target is you." "Think of what could happen to you if they can do this to a former President."
H No. I'm not in the position to steal classified documents and keep them in my home. The target is people who take classified docs. Look at around the 7 minute mark to see some of these snippets.
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Post by Opti on Aug 13, 2022 6:48:29 GMT -5
During the raid on Mar-a-Lago, Trump's Florida home, the FBI found four sets of top-secret documents and seven sets of classified information, per a list of items seized and unsealed by a federal magistrate on Friday.
Among the items seized was "info re: President of France." It is not immediately clear why Trump had this file at Mar-a-Lago or what was included in the file.
news.yahoo.com/ex-clinton-aide-implies-president-095057822.html
Remember Hillary had a few things classified under c the lowest level of classified info. Top Secret is the high end of the scale. I just hope he hasn't been selling American secrets for profit.
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Post by Opti on Aug 13, 2022 7:35:18 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 13, 2022 8:38:21 GMT -5
I visited Fox to see how they were spinning it today. They have a big story at the top about all the probes targeting Trump and his family (persecution!!) and right under it, a story about how Hunter helped a former Trump aide’s campaign for office while he was still doing work for CCP, which I assume is some Chinese organization. Oh, the horror?
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 13, 2022 8:51:06 GMT -5
I'm surprised ripvanwinkle or Value Buy haven't started any threads denouncing the FBI or whining about the injustice yet.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 13, 2022 11:12:12 GMT -5
I'm surprised ripvanwinkle or Value Buy haven't started any threads denouncing the FBI or whining about the injustice yet. Have patience.
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