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Post by billisonboard on Jun 14, 2022 13:20:43 GMT -5
I forget how fortunate I have been to spend most of my adult life working in environments in which if it were questioned I could respond I was working to be an informed individual and having bosses who would see that as a positive.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 14, 2022 13:30:03 GMT -5
I don't know if this is the right board to post this but it does have to do with public money. The moderator can move it accordingly to the proper board. I certainly hope the taxpayers of NYC remember this at the polls in their election. This is a assault on our children. A old friend who is a former local school board member sent me these links.
While I can understand an objection to using tax dollars for this, and would prefer it be people volunteering to read to kids, I cannot understand the objection of this in any way being "a (sic) assault on our children." This is just reading to them. What is truly an assault on our children is teaching them to be biased against anyone different from them, or to allow them to be shot up in classrooms because of some extremely misguided devotion to a poorly-written and completely misunderstood amendment. Be concerned about those things.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 14, 2022 13:30:32 GMT -5
I searched it on my phone. I don't see what the big deal is about dressing up as animal characters.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 14, 2022 13:34:41 GMT -5
I forget how fortunate I have been to spend most of my adult life working in environments in which if it were questioned I could respond I was working to be an informed individual and having bosses who would see that as a positive. Ditto. I realize now how fortunate I was to land in theater in HS which at the time pretty much served as the LBGTQ support group. Then I went to work at the university for most of my career. If I had started out at my last company I would be in the same boat as DH. I can count on one hand the number of non-white people and as far as I know every single person was also straight. Majority of people were Republican and Trump supporters you had to watch what you said if you weren't. It is real easy around here to be in a bubble your entire life.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 14, 2022 13:36:32 GMT -5
I searched it on my phone. I don't see what the big deal is about dressing up as animal characters. Dig a little deeper. Personally I don't care but if the OP is in that much of an uproar over drag queens I can just imagine his reaction to knowing what else is out there children could be "converted" to.
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Post by swamp on Jun 14, 2022 14:04:23 GMT -5
In 2017 I took my kids to Key West. They were 11 and 9. They thought the drag queens were a hoot.
But then, DD now identifies as bi, so many I did do irreparable damage, lol.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 14, 2022 14:12:46 GMT -5
Rip, this must render you speechless! At Montreal Pride....
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 14, 2022 14:15:31 GMT -5
I forget how fortunate I have been to spend most of my adult life working in environments in which if it were questioned I could respond I was working to be an informed individual and having bosses who would see that as a positive. Ditto. I realize now how fortunate I was to land in theater in HS which at the time pretty much served as the LBGTQ support group. Then I went to work at the university for most of my career. If I had started out at my last company I would be in the same boat as DH. I can count on one hand the number of non-white people and as far as I know every single person was also straight. Majority of people were Republican and Trump supporters you had to watch what you said if you weren't. It is real easy around here to be in a bubble your entire life. I also was in theater in HS. Early 70's in Boise, ID wasn't exactly a time or place for a lot of people to be out of the closet - except Dave who struggled with everything including his sexuality. He was actually part of our clique within the larger theater group. I remember a time I had pissed of the group and was being ostracized. He called me and asked if I wanted to go to a movie. Didn't really realize it at the time but in retrospect I think it was a "date".
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Post by Ava on Jun 14, 2022 15:11:02 GMT -5
Wow!! I wish more children get exposed to all sort of diversity and learn to see "being different" as normal. It would make the world a much better place.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 14, 2022 15:17:28 GMT -5
Ditto. I realize now how fortunate I was to land in theater in HS which at the time pretty much served as the LBGTQ support group. Then I went to work at the university for most of my career. If I had started out at my last company I would be in the same boat as DH. I can count on one hand the number of non-white people and as far as I know every single person was also straight. Majority of people were Republican and Trump supporters you had to watch what you said if you weren't. It is real easy around here to be in a bubble your entire life. I also was in theater in HS. Early 70's in Boise, ID wasn't exactly a time or place for a lot of people to be out of the closet - except Dave who struggled with everything including his sexuality. He was actually part of our clique within the larger theater group. I remember a time I had pissed of the group and was being ostracized. He called me and asked if I wanted to go to a movie. Didn't really realize it at the time but in retrospect I think it was a "date". When they made us do square dancing in P.E. myself and three other friends formed a dance square of our own. They got mad at us and told us it was distracting and made people uncomfortable. My dance partner was a lesbian. She looked the P.E. teacher dead in the eye and said "Well I am uncomfortable dancing with a boy, why don't I have the right to be comfortable?" She got sent to the principal for back talk. Nowadays I would have gotten myself sent to the principal too but as a teenager I kept my mouth shut because I was a good little rule follower back then. DH and I have butted heads over this in regards to Gwen because I encourage and support that type of "insubordination" in her. I want her to have the courage challenge the status quo and not only challenge it but continue to stand firm in the face of discipline. Don't fold like your mother did. I've told her I have her back 100% if I ever get a phone call about her "attitude" in that type of situation. People need to speak up and stand up. You can't do that meekly following the rules.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 15, 2022 6:30:35 GMT -5
I couldn't remember where in my "timeline" but we (the women) all were in NY taking in Broadway Shows and pondering some off Broadway shows. I'm pretty sure we considered a drag queen show as a back up if we couldn't get tickets to a "we're here to see this!" show... this was back before show ticket sales went digital/online and going to NY for a weekend of nonstop show going was a thing. The Drag Queen shows are a lot of fun! I wonder if Rip would object to the Blue Man group guys providing pantomimed and percussive accompaniment to someone reading a story OR just them acting out a story... to school children would be bad? We wouldn't want our children to stop talking and/or painting themselves blue -now would we? hee hee hee Saw Blue Man group in Vegas too! Ok I’ll quit going down memory lane! But my son did dress like KISS back in the 70’s for Halloween. DS5 and his friends dressed up for Halloween last year as a group: guys in French maid costumes, girls in butler costumes, influenced by Japanese manga. DS5's outfit was pretty skimpy - we didn't realize it had a bare midriff until it arrived (he's tall but skinny, so the top on the model looked like a one piece dress instead of a short skirt + midriff top.) The kids are comfortable with LGBTQ classmates, and like to swap things up every so often for fun. They like gender-swapping dramas, too. DD3 did an all-female Dracula scene for my library's Classic Horror event a dozen years ago.
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Post by tractor on Jun 15, 2022 8:57:30 GMT -5
I searched it on my phone. I don't see what the big deal is about dressing up as animal characters. There's a kinky sexual component to being a "furrie" who doesn't want to have sex with a giant teddy bear 😊
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Post by tallguy on Jun 15, 2022 11:12:20 GMT -5
Well, my GF calls me a giant teddy bear, but I'm never actually dressed like one. Hope I'm not missing out....
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jun 15, 2022 20:45:22 GMT -5
Rip, this must render you speechless! At Montreal Pride.... Well, the only thing I can say is it looks it should be in a Barnum & Bailey circus side show tent.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jun 15, 2022 21:46:56 GMT -5
I will decry any protest groups, whether they be BLM (riots and burning in 2020), Antifa, Proud Boys, Latter Day Saints, Jehovah Witness, Christian, Buddhist, KKK, right and left wing groups, Democrats or Republicans, pro and anti abortion etc that partake in any violence or riots of any kind and feel they are superior to anybody. In my book they are terrorists and should be prosecuted as such.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 15, 2022 22:25:12 GMT -5
I will decry any protest groups, whether they be BLM (riots and burning in 2020), Antifa, Proud Boys, Latter Day Saints, Jehovah Witness, Christian, Buddhist, KKK, right and left wing groups, Democrats or Republicans, pro and anti abortion etc that partake in any violence or riots of any kind and feel they are superior to anybody. In my book they are terrorists and should be prosecuted as such. What is up with you starting your protest rants with BLM? Why not start with The Proud Boys or KKK or the teaching Sisters of St. Joseph (right up there as being as violent as members of the LDS)?
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Post by scgal on Jun 16, 2022 7:37:12 GMT -5
Rip, this must render you speechless! At Montreal Pride.... Well, the only thing I can say is it looks it should be in a Barnum & Bailey circus side show tent. I have a problem with anyone with a leash on parading out in public especially in front of children.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 16, 2022 7:45:18 GMT -5
oh FFS. Just how big of a fucking bigot ARE you, ripvanwinkle? Do you really think kids are going to 'catch' a queer vibe from this? You are so intolerant of anything not mainstream it's scary. Horrifying, really. It's people who feel like you do who take the guns you're so enamored of and go shoot people up! And for what? A different lifestyle that doesn't affect you in the slightest?!
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 16, 2022 7:54:43 GMT -5
Well, the only thing I can say is it looks it should be in a Barnum & Bailey circus side show tent. I have a problem with anyone with a leash on parading out in public especially in front of children. Why? Kids don't know about BDSM, master/slave (or pet) relationships or any of that stuff. They see people in what appears to be a costume. And if YOU are so uncomfortable viewing an alternate lifestyle, that's on YOU. You don't have to be into it yourself to put on your big girl panties and realize that they're not hurting anyone. There's nothing all that scandalous about it. Now, if they were engaging in actual sexual acts, that would be different. But you being a prude isn't their problem. Try an open mind. There are actual real people with real feelings underneath that get-up.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 16, 2022 7:57:17 GMT -5
Well, the only thing I can say is it looks it should be in a Barnum & Bailey circus side show tent. I have a problem with anyone with a leash on parading out in public especially in front of children. Hey, at least hey aren't carrying that sign of insurrectionists and slave owners, the Confederate flag. I find that to be significantly more problematic. But I am sure you are fine with that.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 16, 2022 8:14:49 GMT -5
Well, the only thing I can say is it looks it should be in a Barnum & Bailey circus side show tent. I have a problem with anyone with a leash on parading out in public especially in front of children. You'd be real pissed then I took my 11 year old to a drag show. This time around my daughter saw a penis. DH had friends in the front row (we were in the balcony) and they confirmed yes he was in a sheer body suit. If you don't like it don't go and don't bring your kids. They aren't hurting anyone so why is it any of your business if they walk around wearing a leash? Why is it any of your business if the kid in the photo's parents are all right with her being there? Aren't conservatives always touting it is the right of the parents to decide what is best for their children? This reminds me of a certain poster who said if you see a white man walking by in body armor with an AR-15 mind your damn business because he has a right to exercise the 2nd amendment. BUT if you see some middle eastern looking guys talking in a language that isn't English you better call 911 right a way (or be the good guy with the gun) because they are clearly plotting something. Freak out over the guy wearing a bondage mask because he's going to cause the downfall of society. The 18 year old over there arming himself to the teeth nothing to see there he's not hurting anyone he's exercising his rights as a free citizen. Our sense of outrage is way out of whack in this country.
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Well, the only thing I can say is it looks it should be in a Barnum & Bailey circus side show tent. I have a problem with anyone with a leash on parading out in public especially in front of children. If one is inclined towards a certain form of expression (sexual or other), it will find them with or without direct expose. And if it truly provides pleasure, they might nurture it. I think it is a good thing for people to experience more pleasure in their lives.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 16, 2022 8:20:59 GMT -5
I have a problem with anyone with a leash on parading out in public especially in front of children. If one is inclined towards a certain form of expression (sexual or other), it will find them with or without direct expose. And if it truly provides pleasure, they might nurture it. I think it is a good thing for people to experience more pleasure in their lives. I watch Slutever on Vice every once and awhile. Holy cow I am vanilla/boring. There is a whole freaking world out there of stuff I've never seen before. As long as it is between two consenting adult partners I don't care, it's your business how you get your rocks off. And I'm willing to have an age appropriate as best I can discussion with my kids about it. They should have a healthy attitude about sexual expression in all it's forms. Doesn't mean it is for them, but they shouldn't judge others for what they like. Considering our hang ups in this country with sex I imagine a fair number of people's idea of riske sex are the woman being on top and actually getting off. A bondage mask will blow their minds.
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If one is inclined towards a certain form of expression (sexual or other), it will find them with or without direct expose. And if it truly provides pleasure, they might nurture it. I think it is a good thing for people to experience more pleasure in their lives. I watch Slutever on Vice every once and awhile. Holy cow I am vanilla/boring. There is a whole freaking world out there of stuff I've never seen before. As long as it is between two consenting adult partners I don't care, it's your business how you get your rocks off. And I'm willing to have an age appropriate as best I can discussion with my kids about it. They should have a healthy attitude about sexual expression in all it's forms. Doesn't mean it is for them, but they shouldn't judge others for what they like. Considering our hang ups in this country with sex I imagine a fair number of people's idea of riske sex are the woman being on top and actually getting off. A bondage mask will blow their minds. but why limit it to two?
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Post by scgal on Jun 16, 2022 11:19:35 GMT -5
If one is inclined towards a certain form of expression (sexual or other), it will find them with or without direct expose. And if it truly provides pleasure, they might nurture it. I think it is a good thing for people to experience more pleasure in their lives. I watch Slutever on Vice every once and awhile. Holy cow I am vanilla/boring. There is a whole freaking world out there of stuff I've never seen before. As long as it is between two consenting adult partners I don't care, it's your business how you get your rocks off. And I'm willing to have an age appropriate as best I can discussion with my kids about it. They should have a healthy attitude about sexual expression in all it's forms. Doesn't mean it is for them, but they shouldn't judge others for what they like. Considering our hang ups in this country with sex I imagine a fair number of people's idea of riske sex are the woman being on top and actually getting off. A bondage mask will blow their minds. I never said there was anything wrong with bdsm or expression. I don't think young kids should be exposed to it especially at a parade. I used to party when gay pride was going on in NY in the 80's had a great time even experimented a little. I was an adult.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 16, 2022 11:23:30 GMT -5
I watch Slutever on Vice every once and awhile. Holy cow I am vanilla/boring. There is a whole freaking world out there of stuff I've never seen before. As long as it is between two consenting adult partners I don't care, it's your business how you get your rocks off. And I'm willing to have an age appropriate as best I can discussion with my kids about it. They should have a healthy attitude about sexual expression in all it's forms. Doesn't mean it is for them, but they shouldn't judge others for what they like. Considering our hang ups in this country with sex I imagine a fair number of people's idea of riske sex are the woman being on top and actually getting off. A bondage mask will blow their minds. I never said there was anything wrong with bdsm or expression. I don't think young kids should be exposed to it especially at a parade. I used to party when gay pride was going on in NY in the 80's had a great time even experimented a little. I was an adult. So don't take kids to it. Problem solved. As to drag queens, kids paly dress up all the time. I suspect they understand it far better than we think.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2022 12:00:01 GMT -5
I have a problem with anyone with a leash on parading out in public especially in front of children. Hey, at least they aren't carrying that sign of insurrectionists and slave owners, the Confederate flag. I find that to be significantly more problematic. But I am sure you are fine with that. Like they do in South Carolina.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 16, 2022 12:04:18 GMT -5
I watch Slutever on Vice every once and awhile. Holy cow I am vanilla/boring. There is a whole freaking world out there of stuff I've never seen before. As long as it is between two consenting adult partners I don't care, it's your business how you get your rocks off. And I'm willing to have an age appropriate as best I can discussion with my kids about it. They should have a healthy attitude about sexual expression in all it's forms. Doesn't mean it is for them, but they shouldn't judge others for what they like. Considering our hang ups in this country with sex I imagine a fair number of people's idea of riske sex are the woman being on top and actually getting off. A bondage mask will blow their minds. I never said there was anything wrong with bdsm or expression. I don't think young kids should be exposed to it especially at a parade. I used to party when gay pride was going on in NY in the 80's had a great time even experimented a little. I was an adult. I'll repeat.. kids don't know what it is. They simply see someone dressed 'in costume'. You're the one projecting your hangups on them.
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Post by scgal on Jun 16, 2022 12:04:23 GMT -5
Hey, at least they aren't carrying that sign of insurrectionists and slave owners, the Confederate flag. I find that to be significantly more problematic. But I am sure you are fine with that. Like they do in South Carolina. it's their right
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