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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2022 19:15:27 GMT -5
i really don't get why Americans think their healthcare system is so great. everyone i know in the US complains about it. the latest example is one of my employees who is retiring and moving to Idaho. as a self employed person his cost per month for a family of three will be $2000, and it has taken him at least 40 hours of his time to set that up (and it is STILL not done, with 26 days to go).
contrast this to Costa Rica. for an expat to buy into that system, it is $73/month, the last time i checked.
yes, you read that right.
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Post by dondub on May 5, 2022 19:18:43 GMT -5
And the guns. Canadians don’t seem to need firearms tucked in purses/cars/nightstands in order to feel safe. I’m very envious of the Canadians. Except not the poutine. That is because they don't have option Of course they do. They don’t have to eat the poutine.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2022 19:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2022 19:20:40 GMT -5
you know, that is cool. y'all can stay here and spend your entire life savings paying off your over priced medical care. that's cool. me? i would rather relax on some beach somewhere for a fraction of the cost, and leave some money to my family. i am pro-choice.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 19:30:00 GMT -5
I am pro-choice. I do not feel like I get to tell a girl or woman what they MUST do if they get pregnant by someone they have reason to despise or if they just know in their hearts that they can not be a good Mother to a baby and raise a child.
I don’t believe that most women who get pregnant with an unwanted child or one they simply can’t provide for, or whatever their reason is, make the decision to terminate the pregnancy lightly.
Regardless of what I might choose for myself, I want other girls and women to be able to choose for themselves.
I have nothing but compassion for girls and women that get pregnant and have to make some difficult decisions because of it.
The girls and women who have to make those decisions, are the ones that have to live with whatever they decide. The rest of us can just shut the fuck up about it, because we aren’t the ones that have to live with whatever these ladies decide is best.
The world would be a much better place if people would just mind their own fucking business and stopped trying to tell people what they should and should not do about situations that they’ve never had to deal with.
I have more than enough trouble trying to run my own life, I don’t have the time or energy to try to run another woman’s life too.
Where I come from, men don’t try to insert themselves into “women’s business”. The right to have control over her own body is the epitome of “women’s business “ to me. I don’t call men “bitches” lightly, because in my world if I call a man a bitch, I should probably be prepared to fight him. But imo, these efforts to marginalize women and try to make us do what men think we ought to do, and take away our autonomy and being able to do what we believe is best….. are bitch moves. Yes I said it, so fight me. Even if you win, you’re still a whiny ass bitch.
Perhaps the men that feel so strongly about the subject, should be talking to other men about their responsibilities to be decent human beings and not try to force women into sexual acts without the woman’s consent, and talking to other boys and men that would never go that far and do that, about how they still should take responsibility for the fact that if they have intercourse with a girl or woman, there’s always the risk that she could get pregnant, despite birth control, if she and he are both biologically capable of making a baby.
It takes 2 to tango, 2 to get pregnant. But in our society, we really only judge the female if she gets pregnant in less than ideal situations. But a female human can NOT get pregnant without a male human, and we tend to ignore that part of it when we talk about women getting pregnant.
The fuck?!
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 5, 2022 20:09:50 GMT -5
Maybe you do not think it is anything to look up to. But Canada beats the US on almost every quality of life and health measure including life expectancy, and is also a more equal and fair society. I wonder why you think the US should be looked up to. Canada 71000 service members USA 1.4 million Most won't think that is a plus but I find it comforting Canada gdp -5.4% USA gdp -3.5% Canada unemployment 5.3% USA unemployment 3.6% Paying higher taxes so everyone can have cheaper healthcare probably subpar healthcare doesn't interest me. Life expectancy by country Canada #15 82.23years US #40 78.51 Maternal mortality Canada 10/100,000 US 19/100,000 Infant mortality Canada 4/1000 live births US 5/1000 By what measure could you possibly think healthcare is better in the US.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 5, 2022 20:12:07 GMT -5
I have said this before: If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 5, 2022 20:14:36 GMT -5
I suspect scgal is from South Carolina
Life expectancy rank in US #41 Median income %41 Education rank %43
That utopia, South Carolina. The idea that SC can look down on anyone is laughable
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Post by tallguy on May 5, 2022 20:21:40 GMT -5
I suspect scgal is from South Carolina Life expectancy rank in US #41 Median income %41 Education rank %43 That utopia, South Carolina. The idea that SC can look down on anyone is laughable To be fair, they can look down on Mississippi, Arkansas, West Virginia, Louisiana, and Alabama. Aren't those usually around the bottom five in most metrics?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 5, 2022 20:31:32 GMT -5
I suspect scgal is from South Carolina Life expectancy rank in US #41 Median income %41 Education rank %43 That utopia, South Carolina. The idea that SC can look down on anyone is laughable To be fair, they can look down on Mississippi, Arkansas, West Virginia, Louisiana, and Alabama. Aren't those usually around the bottom five in most metrics? Yes, KY and OK are usually in that group too. Out of those 7 you will usually find the bottom 5
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Post by Tennesseer on May 5, 2022 20:32:14 GMT -5
I suspect scgal is from South Carolina Life expectancy rank in US #41 Median income %41 Education rank %43 That utopia, South Carolina. The idea that SC can look down on anyone is laughable South Carolina is one of two U.S. states (the other being Wyoming) not to have hate crime laws.
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Post by kadee79 on May 5, 2022 20:34:50 GMT -5
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Post by kadee79 on May 5, 2022 20:37:55 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2022 20:38:49 GMT -5
To be fair, they can look down on Mississippi, Arkansas, West Virginia, Louisiana, and Alabama. Aren't those usually around the bottom five in most metrics? Yes, KY and OK are usually in that group too. Out of those 7 you will usually find the bottom 5 of these seven, which ones will have access to Abortion this fall?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 5, 2022 20:46:05 GMT -5
Yes, KY and OK are usually in that group too. Out of those 7 you will usually find the bottom 5 of these seven, which ones will have access to Abortion this fall? None
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 5, 2022 20:48:45 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks that there is anything new in relation to sex, abortion, homosexuality and the like is hopelessly naive. How did venereal disease become so entrenched. Why do we have the term “shotgun wedding”? Why are the so many 8lb premature first born children?
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Post by tallguy on May 5, 2022 20:52:52 GMT -5
Yes, KY and OK are usually in that group too. Out of those 7 you will usually find the bottom 5 of these seven, which ones will have access to Abortion this fall? The ones who don't want to take up permanent residency in the bottom seven?
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Post by Opti on May 5, 2022 20:54:20 GMT -5
Is this really a Christian belief? I was brought up Lutheran and I do not remember this nor do I remember it being in the Bible.
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Post by tallguy on May 5, 2022 20:59:20 GMT -5
Is this really a Christian belief? I was brought up Lutheran and I do not remember this nor do I remember it being in the Bible. Yes it is, or can be interpreted that way.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 5, 2022 21:02:24 GMT -5
let's just let them secede, and see how long it takes before A Modest Proposal takes over.
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Post by justme on May 5, 2022 21:40:55 GMT -5
You do realize that there is no logical difference between government saying you MUST carry a fetus to term and government saying you CANNOT carry a fetus to term. If they can control it one way it is a small step to controlling it the other. You don't think women can be forced to undergo abortions or sterilizations? See China's one-child policy for examples. And if you don't believe the Republican Party can be just as overbearing and repressive as the Chinese Communist Party you aren't looking very hard. Again, personal or religious belief can never be justified as the sole basis for law. Conservatives actually used to be very pro abortion at one point because the hope was poor people and minorities which often go hand in hand would keep having them. Meanwhile tax breaks for marriage and having kids would encourage good Christian white women to.start popping out more babies to.out compete. How times change. They just realized death via back alley abortions or unable to vote with a felony abortion on your record can do their dirty work for them.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 5, 2022 21:50:53 GMT -5
let's just let them secede, and see how long it takes before A Modest Proposal takes over. ......or Soylent Green, which is more compassionate than the Modest Proposal. That will come later.
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Post by justme on May 5, 2022 21:58:08 GMT -5
I have said this before: If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. I feel like if we're going to make abortion illegal it should be required for every male to give a sample of his DNA. That way when a woman is forced to give birth and there's no dad to sign the birth certificate the hospital takes the DNA of the infant, matches the dad, and the dad is automatically sent his child support obligation. Maybe with that law men will keep it in their pants.
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Post by justme on May 5, 2022 22:00:37 GMT -5
I've always wondered why #2 wasn't an argument - and not just for rape survivors. The government forcing me to have a child because I had sex is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment for me.
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Post by justme on May 5, 2022 22:01:56 GMT -5
Uhhh isn't abortion in the Bible? And not it saying abortion is bad... like god telling someone to have an abortion.
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Post by billisonboard on May 5, 2022 22:21:26 GMT -5
I have said this before: If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. I feel like if we're going to make abortion illegal it should be required for every male to give a sample of his DNA. That way when a woman is forced to give birth and there's no dad to sign the birth certificate the hospital takes the DNA of the infant, matches the dad, and the dad is automatically sent his child support obligation. Maybe with that law men will keep it in their pants. My wife likes it when I don't keep it in my pants. There are even times when she takes it out of my pants herself. And I know from previous experience she is not the only one who does not want men to keep it in their pants. Not sure why attempting to discourage women from being able to find consensual sex partners is a reasonable response to overturning Roe.
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Post by dondub on May 5, 2022 22:33:42 GMT -5
I feel like if we're going to make abortion illegal it should be required for every male to give a sample of his DNA. That way when a woman is forced to give birth and there's no dad to sign the birth certificate the hospital takes the DNA of the infant, matches the dad, and the dad is automatically sent his child support obligation. Maybe with that law men will keep it in their pants. My wife likes it when I don't keep it in my pants. There are even times when she takes it out of my pants herself. And I know from previous experience she is not the only one who does not want men to keep it in their pants. Not sure why attempting to discourage women from being able to find consensual sex partners is a reasonable response to overturning Roe. 😎😱
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Post by dondub on May 5, 2022 22:37:04 GMT -5
Who was going to tell my 21 year old raped and impregnated girl friend she couldn’t have “the monster” removed from her body? Wasn’t the rape traumatic enough? She surely wasn’t going to allow some SC moralist, with a statehouse that flew the Confederate flag until recently, get in the way of having IT removed post haste.
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Post by justme on May 5, 2022 22:49:27 GMT -5
I feel like if we're going to make abortion illegal it should be required for every male to give a sample of his DNA. That way when a woman is forced to give birth and there's no dad to sign the birth certificate the hospital takes the DNA of the infant, matches the dad, and the dad is automatically sent his child support obligation. Maybe with that law men will keep it in their pants. My wife likes it when I don't keep it in my pants. There are even times when she takes it out of my pants herself. And I know from previous experience she is not the only one who does not want men to keep it in their pants. Not sure why attempting to discourage women from being able to find consensual sex partners is a reasonable response to overturning Roe. The keep it their pants quip is in response to the remarks about not needing abortions if women kept their legs closed - not the reasoning for everything before it. As for the rest - I think as the US government does not support solo parents in a meaningful way that an appropriate response to making women give birth is to make the men responsible for said birth financially responsible as quickly and efficiently as possible. A DNA repository with automatic matching if there's no father on the birth certificate would be both quick and efficient.
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Post by thyme4change on May 5, 2022 23:16:10 GMT -5
The pregnancy that produced me was very much wanted, however the child I was - meh - maybe not so much. I spent a great deal if my life wishing I had never been born. The world would go on just fine without me and my downline. I'm not changing much - just sitting here, taking up resources and irritating my mother. 😁 well, speaking personally, i am glad you are here. Thanks!!
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