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Post by happyhoix on Mar 2, 2022 9:44:44 GMT -5
Ukraine is saying they caught half of a Russian elite special forces team that was tasked with finding and killing Zelensky and took the team out. They say they are tracking the security team.
The interesting part is they are claiming the Russian Federal Security Service is the group that tipped them off because they don’t want this war either. Of course we don’t know if this is true or just propaganda.
I’m not a military expert by any means, but I know shitty human behavior, and I figure the most likely way for Putin to vanish is for the oligarchs to use some of their ill gotten gains to buy off parts of the military/government and stage a coup.
Might mean we get an even more horrible Russian leader, ultimately, but I’ll be crazy optimistic and hope it might give the Russian opposition party a chance to push the country towards democracy.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 2, 2022 9:53:15 GMT -5
They stand to gain a whole lot more financially simply by playing nice with the west and making an appearance of playing by the rules.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 2, 2022 9:55:31 GMT -5
Ukraine is saying they caught half of a Russian elite special forces team that was tasked with finding and killing Zelensky and took the team out. They say they are tracking the security team. The interesting part is they are claiming the Russian Federal Security Service is the group that tipped them off because they don’t want this war either. Of course we don’t know if this is true or just propaganda. I’m not a military expert by any means, but I know shitty human behavior, and I figure the most likely way for Putin to vanish is for the oligarchs to use some of their ill gotten gains to buy off parts of the military/government and stage a coup. Might mean we get an even more horrible Russian leader, ultimately, but I’ll be crazy optimistic and hope it might give the Russian opposition party a chance to push the country towards democracy. Why publicly announce who tipped them off? I would think if you have a back door, you risk it being closed off by doing so.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 2, 2022 10:10:10 GMT -5
Ukraine is saying they caught half of a Russian elite special forces team that was tasked with finding and killing Zelensky and took the team out. They say they are tracking the security team. The interesting part is they are claiming the Russian Federal Security Service is the group that tipped them off because they don’t want this war either. Of course we don’t know if this is true or just propaganda. I’m not a military expert by any means, but I know shitty human behavior, and I figure the most likely way for Putin to vanish is for the oligarchs to use some of their ill gotten gains to buy off parts of the military/government and stage a coup. Might mean we get an even more horrible Russian leader, ultimately, but I’ll be crazy optimistic and hope it might give the Russian opposition party a chance to push the country towards democracy. Why publicly announce who tipped them off? I would think if you have a back door, you risk it being closed off by doing so. For propaganda purposes? Not only doesn’t Ukrainian want the Russian invasion, Russians don’t want it either, and here is the proof? And/or a way to screw with Putin’s head - look, your own security serous working against you. Both sides are leaning heavily on spinning their own story. Hard to know what is actually happening.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 2, 2022 12:54:10 GMT -5
Reports now that the reason that really long convoy of Russian troops is stalled out is because they are knocking holes in their gas tanks on purpose.
Other reports that these soldiers are mostly conscripts and not volunteers and they weren’t told they were not told they were going to fight with Ukrainian.
Again, not sure if this is true or propaganda. Probably best to assume propaganda until proven otherwise.
Although that giant column really has been barely moving - it’s being watched by satellites. Seems to my non military mind that it leaves them vulnerable to drone attacks and land mines.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 2, 2022 13:54:06 GMT -5
Biden is putting sanctions on Belarus today. but refuses to stop paying for inported Russian oil. Yeh beat up the little guy and ignore the bull ox in the room.
How about the Russian billionaire that owns the NBA franchise i Brooklyn. Are we going after that billionaire too?
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Post by dondub on Mar 2, 2022 14:14:29 GMT -5
Biden is putting sanctions on Belarus today. but refuses to stop paying for inported Russian oil. Yeh beat up the little guy and ignore the bull ox in the room. How about the Russian billionaire that owns the NBA franchise i Brooklyn. Are we going after that billionaire too? Your team has been bitching for weeks about the price of gas and stupidly blame Biden. Now you stupidly chastise Biden for not stopping the importing Russian oil which will cause the cost of gas to rise. You can whine like little baby boo boo’s all you want. But you can’t have it both ways on that issue.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2022 16:53:50 GMT -5
confession: i love high gas prices.
why? two reasons. first is that it shows that the economy is growing. you don't get outrageous gas prices in a faltering economy. only one that is on fire. ancillary reason: good for my investments. second reason: it forces alternatives to fossil fuels, which is good for the planet.
i realize that SOME people will have less spending money. i just gave my employees a 4.2% raise to cover the COL increase in our area. and, of course, i will raise prices at least 4.2% to cover that. so, i will make 2-3% more than i would without inflation. added bonus.
i realize that it is bad for Biden politically. but i love it.
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Post by Opti on Mar 2, 2022 18:27:23 GMT -5
confession: i love high gas prices. why? two reasons. first is that it shows that the economy is growing. you don't get outrageous gas prices in a faltering economy. only one that is on fire. ancillary reason: good for my investments. second reason: it forces alternatives to fossil fuels, which is good for the planet. i realize that SOME people will have less spending money. i just gave my employees a 4.2% raise to cover the COL increase in our area. and, of course, i will raise prices at least 4.2% to cover that. so, i will make 2-3% more than i would without inflation. added bonus. i realize that it is bad for Biden politically. but i love it. Not good for me as I am underfunded, but I know it will work its way out of the system as it always does. Plus, soon we will be going to higher cost summer gas soon anyway, which helps farmers producing corn and other crops that are converted to ethanol.
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Post by Opti on Mar 2, 2022 18:31:24 GMT -5
Biden is putting sanctions on Belarus today. but refuses to stop paying for inported Russian oil. Yeh beat up the little guy and ignore the bull ox in the room. How about the Russian billionaire that owns the NBA franchise i Brooklyn. Are we going after that billionaire too? What we are you talking about? You know lots of Russians have money laundered money through real estate and in specific Trump properties. This was known 2015 and 2016. Might be why someone loves Putin? I probably missed when the federal government owned the NBA or had a say in NBA franchises. Now in interesting stuff you really should be worried about, the Russians have a compound in the Bronx I believe. Highest point no less. Built the thing top floor down if the article I read is to be believed. Check it out. Far more useful and impactful than a current owner of a franchise, but that's not much of a commute though from the compound. And Brooklyn has some amazing bakeries.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 2, 2022 18:51:59 GMT -5
The Ultimate Sacrifice Amid an ongoing attack by Russia, Ukrainian military leaders are touting what they describe as one soldier's bravery in the face of invaders. The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said on social media on Friday, according to a translation, that one of the country's soldiers had detonated a bridge — killing himself in the process — in an effort to prevent Russian tanks from advancing. people.com/politics/soldier-blew-himself-and-bridge-up-to-defend-ukraine-against-russia/
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Post by mroped on Mar 2, 2022 20:02:45 GMT -5
I gave up reading or watching the news on Ukraine. That is because it is in my opinion just propaganda! First off, Russians invaded Ukraine but with the exception of a couple planes that shot at specific targets in Kyiv, no troops or armored vehicles made it that far inland. But somehow, there is a tank running rampant through the streets of Kyiv! Russian soldiers being killed(professional soldiers mine you) in troves by Ilya and Natasha that never held a gun in their life until yesterday. Now I see “Russian special forces being caught”- that’s a lie within itself! Ive seen what they’re made of first hand. Nice and kind when you are sitting around with them but suddenly turn into monsters when orders come down. And they do not argue or question orders but execute them. Falling prisoner is out of question! Losing their life while doing it is part of the deal and they don’t hesitate.
What Putin has done is absolutely wrong but not out of character for him. He also knows that while doing this, the eyes of the entire world are on him and his troops. He might make mistakes but he won’t embarrass himself by sending in people that are not trained enough to carry out orders. And if anyone fails then heads will fall and they all know that so, the incentive of staying alive sounds pretty good!
Before you get all upset, no, I do not support him, I in fact despise him and his tactics but at the same time respect him for his gaul, his ruthlessness! It’ s complicated!
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2022 20:46:32 GMT -5
An act of support by the NY Metropolitan Opera for the people of Ukraine the other day. The audience stood.
"Before the opening night performance of Verdi's Don Carlos, the audience observed a moment of silence, followed by the Ukrainian national anthem, performed by the Met Orchestra and Chorus and conducted by Music Director Yannick Nézet-Séguin."
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Post by Opti on Mar 2, 2022 21:02:26 GMT -5
I gave up reading or watching the news on Ukraine. That is because it is in my opinion just propaganda! First off, Russians invaded Ukraine but with the exception of a couple planes that shot at specific targets in Kyiv, no troops or armored vehicles made it that far inland. But somehow, there is a tank running rampant through the streets of Kyiv! Russian soldiers being killed(professional soldiers mine you) in troves by Ilya and Natasha that never held a gun in their life until yesterday. Now I see “Russian special forces being caught”- that’s a lie within itself! Ive seen what they’re made of first hand. Nice and kind when you are sitting around with them but suddenly turn into monsters when orders come down. And they do not argue or question orders but execute them. Falling prisoner is out of question! Losing their life while doing it is part of the deal and they don’t hesitate. What Putin has done is absolutely wrong but not out of character for him. He also knows that while doing this, the eyes of the entire world are on him and his troops. He might make mistakes but he won’t embarrass himself by sending in people that are not trained enough to carry out orders. And if anyone fails then heads will fall and they all know that so, the incentive of staying alive sounds pretty good! Before you get all upset, no, I do not support him, I in fact despise him and his tactics but at the same time respect him for his gaul, his ruthlessness! It’ s complicated! They are attacking on multiple fronts and I've seen videos of a guy walking looking at wrecked tanks and other armored vehicles. I do not know if it is true, but apparently Putin has been known to do military exercises every year around this time, however this year it was late? Occam's razor. What makes more sense - the entire world is feeding America propaganda about the invasion in Ukraine or it's really happening? mroped don't get bogged down in the specifics. Most of the soldiers running and giving up are young. For all we know, some of the "special forces" were in training. What has been revealed to me at least, is the Russians have more spies/KGB than they do military. It would be as if our FBI was three or more times the size of our military. Those are the people you do not want to mess with. Sure, some might be military, but the hardcore probably are from the former KGB lineage. I wouldn't mess with them. Any military generally is composed of less than 10% of its members in special forces. I doubt that Putin would have sent them all initially. Not sure what we will find out when this is all done, but I do think Putin is not in his right mind. I don't think the Putin who did not meet the former President would be this stupid and this willing to make forever enemies. I could be wrong. Maybe at 69 he has a terminal illness and is hiding it. IDK. Putin version 2022 is not Putin version 2010 or any other year predating 2015.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 3, 2022 1:19:11 GMT -5
I know that I am going off subject here but am I the only one that sees China acting like a big spider. Sitting on the sidelines and watching the reaction of the rest of the world to this crisis and weighing the problems it would face once it invades Taiwan? What about other countries that have design on other territories?
It seems like there is a chance the world will go up in flames. Maybe not in the very near future but still. Someone talk me down please...
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Post by Opti on Mar 3, 2022 1:32:24 GMT -5
I know that I am going off subject here but am I the only one that sees China acting like a big spider. Sitting on the sidelines and watching the reaction of the rest of the world to this crisis and weighing the problems it would face once it invades Taiwan? What about other countries that have design on other territories? It seems like there is a chance the world will go up in flames. Maybe not in the very near future but still. Someone talk me down please... China has yet to take over the world in spite of being one of the nations with a ridiculous long history. There is always a chance the world will go up in flames, but I don't think that's the way it will play out. We are in the middle or slightly past in a dark tunnel moving towards a brighter fairer future for all on the globe. It will remain uneven, but it will improve. And remember no nation is only its leaders. China has more people than the US, all with their own hoped-for future.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 3, 2022 7:53:47 GMT -5
confession: i love high gas prices. why? two reasons. first is that it shows that the economy is growing. you don't get outrageous gas prices in a faltering economy. only one that is on fire. ancillary reason: good for my investments. second reason: it forces alternatives to fossil fuels, which is good for the planet. i realize that SOME people will have less spending money. i just gave my employees a 4.2% raise to cover the COL increase in our area. and, of course, i will raise prices at least 4.2% to cover that. so, i will make 2-3% more than i would without inflation. added bonus. i realize that it is bad for Biden politically. but i love it. And who gets hurt the most from high gas prices? The poor and minorities who look to the Democratic Party for help for the most part.
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Post by Opti on Mar 3, 2022 8:18:53 GMT -5
confession: i love high gas prices. why? two reasons. first is that it shows that the economy is growing. you don't get outrageous gas prices in a faltering economy. only one that is on fire. ancillary reason: good for my investments. second reason: it forces alternatives to fossil fuels, which is good for the planet. i realize that SOME people will have less spending money. i just gave my employees a 4.2% raise to cover the COL increase in our area. and, of course, i will raise prices at least 4.2% to cover that. so, i will make 2-3% more than i would without inflation. added bonus. i realize that it is bad for Biden politically. but i love it. And who gets hurt the most from high gas prices? The poor and minorities who look to the Democratic Party for help for the most part. And the mostly white poor in red states, but I digress.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 3, 2022 8:24:20 GMT -5
Shhh! It disrupts the narrative to point that out
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 3, 2022 10:05:18 GMT -5
I was about to say, there's a lot of poor white trash in a neighboring town. they aren't flying Biden flags. ETA: one guy had painted TRUMP in big orange* block letters across his driveway, leading up to the election. he also had a huge TRUMP 2020 banner hanging from a pair of saplings just next to the driveway. after the election, he painted over that in black, but it doesn't quite match the pavement so it's still pretty obvious. the TRUMP 2020 banner has been replaced by a "Let's Go Brandon!" one. this particular area is people living year-round in what were originally seasonal cottages. the "Sanford and Son" outdoor hoarder decor. 5 or 6 cars across the front lawns of dilapidated structures no more than 800 sq ft, built close enough that you could reach out a window and touch the house next door. he's not the only one, either. *I wish I was kidding...
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Post by Opti on Mar 3, 2022 10:17:11 GMT -5
Shhh! It disrupts the narrative to point that out Good. Time to fall off the RW hamster wheel of untrue or highly misleading talking points. Break Free!
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Post by dondub on Mar 3, 2022 12:04:45 GMT -5
I’m betting those that VB mentioned are living in large coastal cities, the enclaves of poor Demos. Thus they have public transpo or live in neighborhoods where goods and services are available by foot. Now Bubba with a gun rack in that low mileage PU may have an issue driving to the food stamp office.
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I gave up reading or watching the news on Ukraine. That is because it is in my opinion just propaganda! First off, Russians invaded Ukraine but with the exception of a couple planes that shot at specific targets in Kyiv, no troops or armored vehicles made it that far inland. But somehow, there is a tank running rampant through the streets of Kyiv! Russian soldiers being killed(professional soldiers mine you) in troves by Ilya and Natasha that never held a gun in their life until yesterday. Now I see “Russian special forces being caught”- that’s a lie within itself! Ive seen what they’re made of first hand. Nice and kind when you are sitting around with them but suddenly turn into monsters when orders come down. And they do not argue or question orders but execute them. Falling prisoner is out of question! Losing their life while doing it is part of the deal and they don’t hesitate. What Putin has done is absolutely wrong but not out of character for him. He also knows that while doing this, the eyes of the entire world are on him and his troops. He might make mistakes but he won’t embarrass himself by sending in people that are not trained enough to carry out orders. And if anyone fails then heads will fall and they all know that so, the incentive of staying alive sounds pretty good! Before you get all upset, no, I do not support him, I in fact despise him and his tactics but at the same time respect him for his gaul, his ruthlessness! It’ s complicated! I agree both sides are ladling out the propaganda. Hard to know what’s true. I also agree Putin is ruthless and doesn’t give a shit what anyone thinks about him. Did you see where one of the oligarchs put a million dollar bounty on his head? IMHO that’s the way he gets taken out, if he is taken out. I’m interested to find out why that convoy is moving so slowly, though. Last night a talking head was speculating that the equipment has been sitting out in fields for so long the tires started to rot but I wouldn’t think that would happen in just a few months.
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Post by mroped on Mar 3, 2022 19:22:54 GMT -5
What they’re doing is an attempt to keep the morale of the population at large in a high spot. Zelensky has a way of rubbing Putin the wrong way and that might get him in trouble but will also get him a second mandate.
From what I read, Putin is at the end of his rope with the former communist block countries. They were all in the Warsaw treaty(the counterpart of NATO) and at some point in the 90s when was dissolved, all agree that they will not join NATO. Could affiliate to but not join. now, most of them are in NATO and missile pads are getting closer and closer to Moscow. In some way, he is right about being disappointed in their action but that doesn’t warrant an invasion of an independent country. Hiwever, he justifies that by the fact that the areas that the Russian troops advanced in were “gifted” by former leaders of USSR to Ukraine but now they want independence from Ukraine which is vehemently denied. Hence his support!
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Post by Opti on Mar 3, 2022 20:53:40 GMT -5
I gave up reading or watching the news on Ukraine. That is because it is in my opinion just propaganda! First off, Russians invaded Ukraine but with the exception of a couple planes that shot at specific targets in Kyiv, no troops or armored vehicles made it that far inland. But somehow, there is a tank running rampant through the streets of Kyiv! Russian soldiers being killed(professional soldiers mine you) in troves by Ilya and Natasha that never held a gun in their life until yesterday. Now I see “Russian special forces being caught”- that’s a lie within itself! Ive seen what they’re made of first hand. Nice and kind when you are sitting around with them but suddenly turn into monsters when orders come down. And they do not argue or question orders but execute them. Falling prisoner is out of question! Losing their life while doing it is part of the deal and they don’t hesitate. What Putin has done is absolutely wrong but not out of character for him. He also knows that while doing this, the eyes of the entire world are on him and his troops. He might make mistakes but he won’t embarrass himself by sending in people that are not trained enough to carry out orders. And if anyone fails then heads will fall and they all know that so, the incentive of staying alive sounds pretty good! Before you get all upset, no, I do not support him, I in fact despise him and his tactics but at the same time respect him for his gaul, his ruthlessness! It’ s complicated! I agree both sides are ladling out the propaganda. Hard to know what’s true. I also agree Putin is ruthless and doesn’t give a shit what anyone thinks about him. Did you see where one of the oligarchs put a million dollar bounty on his head? IMHO that’s the way he gets taken out, if he is taken out. I’m interested to find out why that convoy is moving so slowly, though. Last night a talking head was speculating that the equipment has been sitting out in fields for so long the tires started to rot but I wouldn’t think that would happen in just a few months. I have not been paying attention to the convoy. I know there are supply issues for gas, plus according to some articles some of Putin's military equipment is leased and with the sanctions it's unclear whether he will retain possession of them or not. I'm concerned for the areas that have tanks and what not in the cities. It was horrid to see on broadcast news these pregnant women down in the hospital basement waiting to give birth and hoping to survive the invasion.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 4, 2022 7:26:18 GMT -5
The bombing hasn't touched the reactors so it is safe.... and being run by Ukrainian staff......... though it is encircled by Russian troops.
Its good to see the World coming together in condemnation/sanctions.... but..... Putin must have a way out.. and if he doesn't he is more likely to do something stupid. Backed in to a corner is a dangerous thing.
It occurs to me, that if Russia do take over, as seems likely .... its not going to be a country they can keep. People don't want to be Russian. They'll end up with another rogue state on their hands.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 4, 2022 10:09:31 GMT -5
The bombing hasn't touched the reactors so it is safe.... and being run by Ukrainian staff......... though it is encircled by Russian troops. Its good to see the World coming together in condemnation/sanctions.... but..... Putin must have a way out.. and if he doesn't he is more likely to do something stupid. Backed in to a corner is a dangerous thing. It occurs to me, that if Russia do take over, as seems likely .... its not going to be a country they can keep. People don't want to be Russian. They'll end up with another rogue state on their hands. Yeah Putin created a law where Russian journalists get 15 years in prison for reporting’fake’ news (you know Trump envies that) and he’s threatening to invoke Martial law - in Russia. If that’s how you have to treat your own citizens to keep control imagine what he’ll do to Ukraine. The oligarchs could stop this, if they want to.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 4, 2022 11:02:47 GMT -5
I'm surprised Tucker didn't put the blame on Obama for once wearing a tan colored business suit. Tucker Carlson Admits He Was 'Wrong' About Russian Invasion of Ukraine, Bizarrely Blames Kamala HarrisTucker Carlson admitted he was wrong about the Russian invasion of Ukraine during Thursday night's "Tucker Carlson Tonight," but the host still found a way to put the blame for the situation in Eastern Europe on the Biden Administration. Specifically, the Fox News host asserted that he never took the situation seriously because President Joe Biden sent Vice President Kamala Harris to Europe as the world feared imminent war. Carlson opened his show by addressing breaking news of a fire at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the largest in Europe, which broke out Thursday after Russian shelling. "So, the situation appears to be more chaotic by the day, possibly even spinning out of control," Carlson said in response. "And that, we must be honest, is shocking to us. We've been taken by surprise by the whole thing. We're not the only ones who were, but we're willing to admit it. The only thing more embarrassing than being wrong in your estimates is pretending that you weren't. So why didn't we see this coming, this total loss of control?" After backpedaling on his Russia-Ukraine conflict stance, he pivoted the blame to Democrats, going on to say that his failure to take the situation seriously was due to Harris' attendance at the Munich Security Conference in February. "Well, because we assumed that if things were dire, serious people would be involved in fixing them. But we looked up and we saw Kamala Harris involved, and that reassured us," Carlson said. "Harris had just come back from Europe where she'd been conducting quote, 'diplomacy' with our allies, and that appeared to be proof this could not really be a big deal." "If the situation in Ukraine had been legitimately serious, if the future of Europe and the world hung in the balance as now so obviously it does, of course the Biden administration would not have sent Kamala Harris to fix it, because that's not her job," he continued. "Kamala Harris' job is to trot down to the Blue Room periodically to greet delegations of TikTok influencers or to cut occasional PSAs for Children's Dental Health Awareness Month, which is in February, so we assumed she'd be working on that right now. "We didn't underestimate Vladimir Putin, we overestimated Joe Biden," Carlson said before playing a series of clips showing Harris in light-hearted moments. "This is just not a serious person, not surrounded by serious people," he followed. After months of pro-Kremlin comments, Carlson received widespread criticism for his remarks downplaying the Russia-Ukraine conflict last week, even as Russia launched the invasion. He minimized the conflict as a mere "border dispute" and questioned what he described as a sense of "a patriotic duty to hate Vladimir Putin." "It may be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious, what is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much?" he said on his Feb. 22 show. "Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him?" "But Joe Biden likes Ukraine, so Putin bad, war good," he added at the time. Carlson concluded Thursday's bizarre rant against Harris with a bit about her dating history, referencing her past relationship with Montel Williams — not his first time fixating on the relationship. "So if you're looking for someone to date Montel Williams, well, maybe she's the person you would choose," he said. "She could be a solid choice, she's done it before. Dating Montel Williams - you know - is something that's within her range of experience. Is she good at it? We can't say. But she's done it. But this new gig? De-escalating a world-ending conflict with the nuclear-armed rogue state? No. No, not when nuclear reactors are on fire. But they're doing it anyway." Tucker Carlson Admits He Was 'Wrong' About Russian Invasion of Ukraine, Bizarrely Blames Kamala Harris
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