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Post by hurley1980 on Feb 28, 2022 20:56:04 GMT -5
I've been reading today that Russian troops aren't holding up very well. They are asking Ukrainians for food and fuel, and some of them didn't even know they were at war. They thought they were doing military exercises. They are hungry and disoriented, and confused as to why there is so much resistance. Many thought they were liberating Ukraine! Putin sent his troops in under the false assumption they were the good guys, and many are finding out they were lied to. I feel bad for those young guys he sent there who had no idea they were actually invading. This isn't going to end well for Putin!
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Post by Opti on Feb 28, 2022 21:04:21 GMT -5
No. But going after his personal accounts and publishing totals and holdings would freak him out. I'm also wondering how people in nearby countries are doing and feeling. Poland and Romania are taking in refugees.
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Post by Opti on Feb 28, 2022 21:47:25 GMT -5
I’ve read that Shell and BP are divesting their interests in Russia. Any thoughts on this? Looks like a smart move to me. For Shell, the project is currently dead, and as a high priced supplier in the US with certs on their premium gas it helps protect their current income. Not surprised Exxon Mobil is still in. www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/shell-is-dumping-its-oil-and-gas-business-in-russia/ar-AAUqulq?ocid=msedgntpShell is getting out of Russia and ditching its joint ventures with Gazprom, including its involvement with the moribund Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline.
The UK-based oil company said Monday it would its 27.5% stake in the Sakhalin-2 liquified natural gas facility, its 50% stake in a project to develop the Salym fields in western Siberia and its 50% interest in an exploration project in the Gydan peninsula in northwestern Siberia.
"We are shocked by the loss of life in Ukraine, which we deplore, resulting from a senseless act of military aggression which threatens European security," Shell CEO Ben van Beurden said in a statement.
Shell's move follows BP's announcement Sunday that it was abandoning one of Russia's biggest foreign investments by exiting its 19.75% stake in Rosneft and associated joint ventures. Analysts said Monday that BP could take a hit of more than $26 billion as it walks away from its business in the country.
"Our decision to exit is one we take with conviction," van Beurden said. "We cannot — and we will not — stand by."
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 28, 2022 21:53:01 GMT -5
I've been reading today that Russian troops aren't holding up very well. They are asking Ukrainians for food and fuel, and some of them didn't even know they were at war. They thought they were doing military exercises. They are hungry and disoriented, and confused as to why there is so much resistance. Many thought they were liberating Ukraine! Putin sent his troops in under the false assumption they were the good guys, and many are finding out they were lied to. I feel bad for those young guys he sent there who had no idea they were actually invading. This isn't going to end well for Putin! Russian propaganda claimed the Ukraine was being run by a fascist drug addict, so of course Ukrainians wanted to be liberated by Russia. The Russian troops are finding out that’s to true at all. I imagine that’s how most of the MAGA heads will feel, once they wake up and realize Trump’s done nothing but lie to them and grift them for their donations. No wonder Trump admires Putin so much - they’re two peas in a pod.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2022 0:12:42 GMT -5
Why it matters that Zelensky stood before a building by 'the Gaudi of Ukraine' on social mediaIn 1903, an architect by the name of Vladislav Gorodetsky put the finishing touches on a luxurious apartment building in the center of the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv. To say that the building is unusual would be a vast understatement. Gorodetsky — alternately known in English as Wladyslaw Horodecki — was a Polish-born architect dubbed "the Gaudi of Ukraine." His namesake building fuses Beaux-Arts and Art Nouveau styles with a roofline and facade bearing a truly bizarre menagerie of grotesqueries: Rows of frogs patrol the roofline, an elephant bulges from the building's skin, heads of deer and rhinoceros emerge from atop Corinthian columns. And, on the roof, mermaids ride writhing fish. As arts writer and editor John Pancake once described Gorodetsky House in a 2010 Wall Street Journal dispatch: This was a structure created by "a man who hated the dull, the safe, the easy." It therefore could not be more apropos that the building has emerged as architectural backdrop to one of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's urgent social media dispatches. On Saturday, as Russian troops unleashed their attack on Ukraine, and rumors swirled that Zelensky might be evacuated from the country, the Ukrainian leader stood firmly before Gorodetsky House and declared: "I am here. We are not laying down our arms. We will defend our state." He could be nowhere else. Gorodetsky House exists only in Kyiv. Like countless people around the world, I have been glued to my phone for news updates on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And like countless others, I have been deeply moved by Zelensky's eloquence, his fearlessness and his social media savviness amid Vladimir Putin's senseless invasion. It has been gripping for what is at stake: the sovereignty of Ukraine and the lives and deaths of millions. It has also been gripping for how Zelensky, an actor and comedian turned politician — whose inexperience was cause for great concern as tensions with Russia boiled — has not only led with great strength, but masterfully deployed the internet as a weapon. In some of his videos, Zelensky appears decked out in stylish olive green raglan tees; in others, he serves as his own jittery camera operator. This gives him an air of a tough, youthful leader deep in the trenches. Putin, by contrast, has appeared in dark suits, giving statements from gilded rooms like "a detached and scowling villain in a John Le Carré novel," as my colleagues Nabih Bulos and Kate Linthicum wrote in a recent analysis of how Zelensky is winning the public relations war. Times fashion scribe Adam Tschorn told me via Slack, "Zelensky in a raglan-sleeve olive-green shirt beats a shirtless Putin any day." I get the feeling that raglan shirts — which have design roots in the Crimean War (the one from the 19th century) — will soon be making a comeback. In employing the building as a symbolic backdrop, Zelensky also seemed to be pointing to the cultural heritage that is at stake. As Artnet's Sarah Cascone has reported, Ukraine's museums have been scrambling in the face of the Russian advance, attempting to find secure storage for thousands of objects. On Monday, the Kyiv Independent, an English-language news outlet based in Ukraine, tweeted that Russian troops had burned down a museum of Ukrainian folk art in Ivankiv, a city northwest of the capital. Afterward, Ukraine's minister of culture asked UNESCO to strip Russia of its membership in the organization — presumably for violating the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of an Armed Conflict. In addition to taking lives, the destruction of cultural patrimony is a way of eliminating a culture's narratives. And Gorodetsky House offers a particularly compelling one. Completed in 1903, the building began life as a ritzy apartment building — and among its dwellers was its flamboyant architect. According to Pancake, Gorodetsky was "a bon vivant, ladies man, crack shot, big-game hunter, watercolorist, jewelry designer and lover of airplanes." According to legend, much of which may very well may have been self-invented, the architect liked to motor around town in his automobile — reportedly one of the first in Kyiv — in the company of a monkey. Death caught up with him in Tehran, Iran, where Gorodetsky got himself a commission designing railway buildings for the Shah. Today, a statue to the architect — shown drinking coffee and reading a book about hunting — inhabits a well-to-do shopping arcade on Khreschatyk Street in Kyiv. His best-known building, Gorodetsky House, has been an unlikely survivor of 20th century turmoil. After the Russian Revolution in 1917, its grand apartments were chopped up and turned into communal dwellings. And the neighborhood that surrounds it saw the rise of self-serious Soviet-style government buildings redolent of bureaucrats and Neoclassicism (such as the Ukrainian Presidential Administration Building, which sits just across the street). Around the time of World War II, Gorodetsky House changed hands repeatedly. After the war, it was turned into a medical clinic for Communist Party brass. After a needed renovation in 2004, the House with Chimeras, as Gorodetsky House is also known (in reference to the architectural term describing gargoyle-style decorations on a facade), was transformed into an official government building. This fanciful, rather unreal structure is now used for diplomatic gatherings. In Zelensky's hands, this ebullient building has become a symbol of ebullient defiance, a fitting backdrop to an ideal of leadership embodied by Zelensky, which, in the words of the Atlantic's Tom McTague, is becoming a rarity in the cynical West — a figure who expresses an "unembarrassed, defiant belief in a cause." May Zelensky and Gorodetsky House survive the onslaught — and add a chapter of 21st century history to this extraordinary building's storied halls. Why it matters that Zelensky stood before a building by 'the Gaudi of Ukraine' on social media
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Post by Opti on Mar 1, 2022 2:06:50 GMT -5
I love when people accidently telegraph things they shouldn't. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-state-news-accidentally-publishes-article-saying-russia-has-defeated-ukraine-and-restored-its-historical-borders/ar-AAUqkpb?ocid=msedgntpRIA Novosti, a Russian state-run news outlet, published an article saying Ukraine lost to Russia.
"Ukraine has returned to Russia," said the article, which has since been removed.
Ukraine and Russia are still in conflict.
A Russian state-run news agency prematurely published an article that said Russia has taken back Ukraine.
"Ukraine has returned to Russia," said the article, which ran on RIA Novosti and has since been taken down. "The West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe."
The article praised the "return" of Ukraine to it's "natural state" as part of Russia.
"The period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end," the article reads. "Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev? That the Russians will forever be a divided people?"
The RIA Novosti article — a copy of which can be seen on the WayBack Machine, a tool that documents changes across websites over time — also praised the "new era" of the "Russian World" with Russia, Belarus and Ukraine united a whole.
"The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence," the article reads. "In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools."
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 1, 2022 2:26:49 GMT -5
I saw where Putin has an estimated worth of 200 billion with a B while the average income in Russia is less than what the average Chinese earns - a little over 10000 a year. How is it possible for a communist leader to have that much money? All (animals) are equal but some (animals) are more equal than others...
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2022 11:47:41 GMT -5
Dozens of Western diplomats staged a walkout while Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov addressed the UN Human Rights CouncilDozens of diplomats on Tuesday staged a walkout as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov addressed the United Nations Human Rights Council. Lavrov was giving a virtual speech at the forum in Geneva when diplomats from the European Union, United States, and Britain walked out, Reuters reported. The US State Department on Monday accused Russia of "widespread" human rights abuses in Ukraine as its troops fired missiles at civilian areas. Lavrov canceled his in-person appearance at the human rights council because EU states had blocked the path of his flight to Geneva, according to Reuters. Video of walkout and rest of the article here: Dozens of Western diplomats staged a walkout while Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov addressed the UN Human Rights Council
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2022 13:22:22 GMT -5
'Nobody Is Going To Break Us': Zelenskyy Receives Standing Ovation At European Parliament
In an emotional speech, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy addressed the European Parliament to speak about Russia's ongoing invasion into his country. The speech comes hours after Zelenskyy submitted an application to the European Union to grant Ukraine immediate membership into the E.U.
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Post by Opti on Mar 1, 2022 13:47:00 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Tenn. Hard to listen to and not cry.
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Post by imawino on Mar 1, 2022 15:20:55 GMT -5
In general, I try not to view too many of the videos of this conflict. There are lives at stake and real human suffering so I don't like the consumption of it as entertainment and don't want it to start creeping into my brain that way. But I saw this video on John Oliver's show the other day (which is always great, and well-researched) and I have to admit that he had a line about this that was hilarious - essentially "This woman brought seeds to a gunfight and won"
Kudos to her. She is very bold and brave. Possibly foolhardy, but who am I to say. I'm quite impressed by her and many of the Ukrainians. They seem a tough lot, certainly more so than us. I wish them all strength and hope this is over very soon.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 1, 2022 16:26:43 GMT -5
Entertainment? The war is not entertainment. I watch them to see if my auntie and cousins are among those survivors in the subways. I watch them to see if they're in the throngs on their way to Poland.
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Post by imawino on Mar 1, 2022 16:32:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I think worrying about the good people of Ukraine, who are just trying to live their lives, and have done nothing wrong, is only human. Some of us have empathy and compassion. This is the largest invasion since WW2, and that could be terrifying for the world, not just eastern Europe. Did you know that US is actively courting Ukraine to join NATO? Did you know that most of the economical development, military power that Ukraine holds, is due to funding and support directly from Russia? How do you think they got over 20 nuclear reactors and all the railroads? is an invasion the solution to the problem? No but I understand the Russians being ticked and just be told to go screw themselves! Most of Russian population doesn’t support this invasion. There are protests all over Russia. Many of those living in Ukraine are actually Russian born and raised, just moved to Ukraine for better opportunities! This was not an issue until we started meddling into the dynamic of the Russia-Ukraine relationship. if we really wanted peace in the world, we wouldn’t go after everyone and try to convince them that the Russians and Chinese are our enemies. Ofcourse, in a perfect world, they wouldn’t do it either but what are they to do? Sit idly by and allow everyone to point weapons at them or do something before that happens? The good people of Ukraine should learn from this and next time side step electing people that seek out personal interests and glory. But we all know that everyone makes the same mistake! I am in no way an expert on eastern bloc (or any other) politics, but in my opinion it's up to the Russians to try and convince everyone they are not their enemy, not us. And starting a war is unlikely to accomplish that. Wouldn't this action make the idea of Ukraine needing to join NATO more plausible?? In regard to your other post ...if Mexico and Canada believed that they needed to seek allies to protect them from the US, it would be up to the US change what we are doing that makes them believe that. We probably shouldn't be terrorizing our neighbors such that they feel the need to seek out new allies for protection.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 16:40:10 GMT -5
Entertainment? The war is not entertainment. I watch them to see if my auntie and cousins are among those survivors in the subways. I watch them to see if they're in the throngs on their way to Poland. It’s little comfort, but I pray for the Ukrainians and have since this started. I admit I don’t watch or read a lot about what’s happening, because my nerves are already frayed because of what’s been happening in the USA. But that doesn’t mean I don’t care. I do.
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Post by imawino on Mar 1, 2022 16:49:50 GMT -5
Entertainment? The war is not entertainment. I watch them to see if my auntie and cousins are among those survivors in the subways. I watch them to see if they're in the throngs on their way to Poland. My comment was not about you. Overconsumption of YouTube videos, and the turning of people and tragic situations into memes and funny stories can be very desensitizing to the fact that these are actual human beings. I don't live under a rock so I see it, and my comment was just a bit of a reminder to self as typing that while it's okay to find a comment amusing, the situation is tragic.
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Post by mroped on Mar 1, 2022 18:13:40 GMT -5
I am in no way an expert on eastern bloc (or any other) politics, but in my opinion it's up to the Russians to try and convince everyone they are not their enemy, not us. And starting a war is unlikely to accomplish that. Wouldn't this action make the idea of Ukraine needing to join NATO more plausible?? That’s the point that Putin is trying to make: Ukraine cannot under any circumstances join NATO! He doesn’t care to occupy Ukraine, all he cares is that NATO- specifically US- is not in his backyard. Yes, I know, some former USSR members-Latvia, Letonia- are members of NATO but I don’t believe that missiles will ever be installed in those countries. Ukraine on the other hand has enough territories and the strategic position for such and that would make many Russians very uncomfortable. Again, historically the two -Russia and Ukraine- have been together as in “allies” since the times of Gengis Khan. Ukraine is what it is today due to the power of Russia(down to the territories which it occupies). Ukraine is also the bread basket of the former Russian empire. Who wants to lose that? Putin is a soldier, a very good one at that, an excellent strategist. Letting Ukraine go would be diminishing his power.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 1, 2022 18:37:46 GMT -5
Entertainment? The war is not entertainment. I watch them to see if my auntie and cousins are among those survivors in the subways. I watch them to see if they're in the throngs on their way to Poland. My comment was not about you. Overconsumption of YouTube videos, and the turning of people and tragic situations into memes and funny stories can be very desensitizing to the fact that these are actual human beings. I don't live under a rock so I see it, and my comment was just a bit of a reminder to self as typing that while it's okay to find a comment amusing, the situation is tragic. Who is doing that? Idiots? They turn every tragedy into memes and funny stories.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 1, 2022 18:57:58 GMT -5
That’s the point that Putin is trying to make: Ukraine cannot under any circumstances join NATO! He doesn’t care to occupy Ukraine, all he cares is that NATO- specifically US- is not in his backyard. Yes, I know, some former USSR members-Latvia, Letonia- are members of NATO but I don’t believe that missiles will ever be installed in those countries. Ukraine on the other hand has enough territories and the strategic position for such and that would make many Russians very uncomfortable. Again, historically the two -Russia and Ukraine- have been together as in “allies” since the times of Gengis Khan. Ukraine is what it is today due to the power of Russia(down to the territories which it occupies). Ukraine is also the bread basket of the former Russian empire. Who wants to lose that? Putin is a soldier, a very good one at that, an excellent strategist. Letting Ukraine go would be diminishing his power. Blame the victim. No need to join NATO, of they feel secure.
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Post by Opti on Mar 1, 2022 19:02:44 GMT -5
Blame the victim. No need to join NATO, of they feel secure. I expect Putin to lose on this even if Ukraine does not join in an expedited fashion. Its going to be hard to forget your alleged brothers in arms fellow Russian peeps attacked your country on multiple fronts, lied about it, and killed civilians. All for Putin's ego.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 1, 2022 19:15:06 GMT -5
Well Putin has been threatening Finland and Sweden as well. Don't try to join NATO or else... If anyone thinks he will be content just taking over Ukraine they will be sadly mistaken
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 1, 2022 20:31:22 GMT -5
It's a self fulfilling prophecy--act like an asshole dictator, push neighboring countries to join a security pact for protection.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 1, 2022 20:37:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure this is a good thing:
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 1, 2022 20:57:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure this is a good thing: Mixed feelings on anonymous- they made the Russian internet provider play the Ukrainian national anthem and shut down the Russia state sponsored news organization, (supposedly). Is this criminal or a good kind of trouble?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2022 21:16:03 GMT -5
President Biden introduced the ambassador from Ukraine to the members of Congress as he began his SOTU address. She received a standing ovation from Congress.
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Post by mroped on Mar 1, 2022 22:23:47 GMT -5
Blame the victim. No need to join NATO, of they feel secure. I’m gonna be blunt and maybe rude?!: do you think joining NATO made any Eastern European country feel secure? To be more exact/precise on my question: average Joe changed one devil for another! The old devil they knew, the new one is still pushing them around!
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Post by Opti on Mar 1, 2022 22:51:05 GMT -5
This is cool. Putin reportedly has a $97 million luxury yacht called "Graceful". A group of Anonymous hackers on Saturday figured out a way to mess with maritime traffic data & made it look like the yacht had crashed into Ukraine's Snake Island, then changed its destination to "hell":
www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-oligarchs-are-on-the-run/ar-AAUr2A2?ocid=msedgntp
Dmitry Rybolovlev's yacht Anna is in Antigua.
Roman Abramovich's yacht Eclipse is in St. Maarten.
Andrey Kostin's yacht Sea Rhapsody is outside of Saudi Arabia.
Alisher Usmanov's yacht A is in the UAE.
None of them are in Russia.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 2, 2022 7:47:12 GMT -5
Blame the victim. No need to join NATO, of they feel secure. I’m gonna be blunt and maybe rude?!: do you think joining NATO made any Eastern European country feel secure? To be more exact/precise on my question: average Joe changed one devil for another! The old devil they knew, the new one is still pushing them around! Yes, I know at least one that it has. I spent a 6 week study abroad there in 1995 at a university for economics listening lectures on the plans to join the EU, etc.
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Post by Opti on Mar 2, 2022 9:20:40 GMT -5
I’m gonna be blunt and maybe rude?!: do you think joining NATO made any Eastern European country feel secure? To be more exact/precise on my question: average Joe changed one devil for another! The old devil they knew, the new one is still pushing them around! Yes, I know at least one that it has. I spent a 6 week study abroad there in 1995 at a university for economics listening lectures on the plans to join the EU, etc. I thought the old devil invaded their country. Russians are killing Ukrainians and invading their homes and streets. Killing their soldiers and their children. Sounds to me like an old devil you'd like to never know again.
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Post by Opti on Mar 2, 2022 9:23:07 GMT -5
And Belarus puts their foot in it ... www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-strongman-ally-may-have-accidentally-shared-a-map-of-russia-s-ukrainian-invasion-plans/ar-AAUtI5L?ocid=undefinedThe Belarusian president may have shared on live TV Russia's plan of attack for Ukraine.
Alexander Lukashenko showed "what looks like an actual invasion map," a reporter tweeted.
The map also showed Ukraine divided into four sections.
Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko may have accidentally shared Russia's invasion plans for Ukraine on live television.
A short video shared by the Belarusian journalist Tadeusz Giczan on Twitter showed Lukashenko pointing to a map of Ukraine that shows it segmented into four parts. Giczan called it "what looks like an actual invasion map." Lukashenko is an authoritarian and longtime ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"I thank these guys," Lukashenko said, though it was unclear who he was referring to. "They warned us, and literally, six hours before the launch of the missiles, we discovered this."
Russia's Iskander tactical missile system was "located here, right?" he added.Videos at link.
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