The Cult of Trump

[NastyWoman]

Interesting way of responding while 100% avoiding to address the point I made about a 50 year old show Value Buy

[Opti]

May 18, 2022 10:24:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 17, 2022 21:21:57 GMT -5 Opti said:

Third term medical abortions should still exist. After all, criminals or accidents don't stop simply because a woman is in her third trimester.
If mom is shoved, beaten, kicked or shot in such a way that the fetus dies but her body is unable to deliver a stillborn, there should be the option to save the mother's life. 

I was not talking about that. I was talking about what Americans believe and they do not believe in third term abortions and definitlely not in the fourth week of the nine month pregnancy.
This is exactly what dj was talking about with "whatism".

When you quiz Americans, they are generally thinking about elective abortions not medically necessary ones. Or at least that was true for me recently until some posters reminded me of various situations. I believe there are no elective abortions allowed in the third trimester. And unfortunately, just like people who die a day or so before they turn 100, bad stuff can happen in wk 4 of the 9th month. 

[djAdvocate]

the reason that Trumpworld is a cult is that Trump won't even associate with people who won't buy his unsubstantiated nonsense.  this has become abundantly clear through the J6 committee.  can't find someone in Justice to carry your water?  hire an environmental lawyer without any prosecutorial experience that thinks like you do.

this is not how you lead a country.  it is how you lead a cult.

[djAdvocate]

May 18, 2022 10:24:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 17, 2022 21:21:57 GMT -5 Opti said:

Third term medical abortions should still exist. After all, criminals or accidents don't stop simply because a woman is in her third trimester.
If mom is shoved, beaten, kicked or shot in such a way that the fetus dies but her body is unable to deliver a stillborn, there should be the option to save the mother's life. 

I was not talking about that. I was talking about what Americans believe and they do not believe in third term abortions and definitlely not in the fourth week of the nine month pregnancy.
This is exactly what dj was talking about with "whatism".

whataboutism.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

trump has gotten away with too many questionable things all his life and now breaking the law. He needs to be held accountable and convicted.  

[pulmonarymd]

May 18, 2022 10:24:21 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 17, 2022 21:21:57 GMT -5 Opti said:

Third term medical abortions should still exist. After all, criminals or accidents don't stop simply because a woman is in her third trimester.
If mom is shoved, beaten, kicked or shot in such a way that the fetus dies but her body is unable to deliver a stillborn, there should be the option to save the mother's life. 

I was not talking about that. I was talking about what Americans believe and they do not believe in third term abortions and definitlely not in the fourth week of the nine month pregnancy.
This is exactly what dj was talking about with "whatism".

This doesn’t happen. It is another urban myth pushed by republicans

[Tennesseer]

Jun 23, 2022 18:45:32 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

trump has gotten away with too many questionable things all his life and now breaking the law. He needs to be held accountable and convicted.  

Trump has got to be shitting cokes and cheeseburgers over these hearings. And the continuing investigation in Georgia should really scare the crap out of him.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

He's lost the protection of POTUS and I hope he gets convicted of some of his many crimes. 

[djAdvocate]

i presume that everyone heard about the DOJ swooping in on the fake electors, yes?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jun 23, 2022 20:07:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 23, 2022 18:45:32 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

trump has gotten away with too many questionable things all his life and now breaking the law. He needs to be held accountable and convicted.  

Trump has got to be shitting cokes and cheeseburgers over these hearings. And the continuing investigation in Georgia should really scare the crap out of him.

He would be doing everyone a favor if he blew a gasket while watching the hearings. Apparently he was apoplectic after the last one that there was no one in"his camp" on the committee to go to bat for him.

Boo Hoo, whose fault was that?

[tbop77]

I was on the speakerphone. And the president essentially said, Ken. I'm sitting here with the acting attorney general. He just told me it's your job to seize machines. And you're not doing your job. And Mr. Cuccinelli responded.



ADAM KINZINGER: Mr. Rosen, did you ever tell the president that the Department of Homeland Security could seize voting machines?



JEFF ROSEN: No. Certainly not.

Since he has always had YES men around him, he was not used to being told NO.  And he used every manipulative trick in his bag to get them to break the law.  Remember what Rex Tillerson said?  No Mr President, you can't do that, it's against the law.  Well, you're fired.  These guys turned the tables on him.  

Toward the end of the meeting, the president again was getting very agitated. And he said, people tell me I should just get rid of both of you. I should just remove you and make a change in the leadership, put Jeff Clark in. Maybe something will finally get done.



And I responded, as I think I had earlier in the December 27 call, Mr. President, you should have the leadership that you want. But understand, the United States Justice Department functions on facts, evidence, and law. And those are not going to change. So you can have whatever leadership you want. But the department's position is not going to change.

news.yahoo.com/trump-pressured-doj-dhs-seize-210107887.html

[djAdvocate]

apparently, Trump was frustrated from day 1 about how little power he had to act unilaterally.  acting in consort is not something that comes natural to him.  and the people around him thought his ideas were crazy, so they wouldn't carry them out.

i keep thinking about the early days of his presidency when the NYT published the article about people in the WH reigning in his worst impulses.  that trend continued for his entire presidency, apparently.

[Icelandic Woman]

[djAdvocate]

this /\ is precisely it.

anyone who fails to distinguish between fact and fiction, and ACTS ON THAT is unfit for office.  the nuclear button is but one of the reasons.

[djAdvocate]

hey, question for anyone who thinks they can answer:

why did Trump court the religious right?  i mean, it is not like he is Born Again.  or is he?

[pulmonarymd]

He's a baby Christian

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2022 14:39:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

He's a baby Christian

not very convincing.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

To get their big block of votes?

[dondub]

Jun 24, 2022 14:52:50 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

To get their big block of votes?

Nailed it Ken.

[tallguy]

Jun 24, 2022 14:37:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hey, question for anyone who thinks they can answer:

why did Trump court the religious right?  i mean, it is not like he is Born Again.  or is he?

Because it is far easier to fool those who live by belief rather than those who live by reason.  And he above all needs people he can fool.  Note that it is not only religious people who live their lives based on belief.  Bigots and racists do too, as an example.  The religious right are, however, far more likely to live based on belief than those who would be classified as more liberal, whether religious or not.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2022 16:01:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 24, 2022 14:37:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hey, question for anyone who thinks they can answer:

why did Trump court the religious right?  i mean, it is not like he is Born Again.  or is he?

Because it is far easier to fool those who live by belief rather than those who live by reason.  And he above all needs people he can fool.  Note that it is not only religious people who live their lives based on belief.  Bigots and racists do too, as an example.  The religious right are, however, far more likely to live based on belief than those who would be classified as more liberal, whether religious or not.

so, let me see if i get this right.

Trump is a serial grifter.  over the years he has developed a REAL talent (not kidding, here) for scoping out the easiest grift.  he mentioned this in the 90's, when he was asked what party he would run for if he ran.  

so, he finds the populations most vulnerable to his influence, and works them for money, sex, power....whatever he can get.  

does that sound about right?

[Tennesseer]

Yes.  An opportunist.

[tallguy]

Jun 24, 2022 20:24:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 24, 2022 16:01:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Because it is far easier to fool those who live by belief rather than those who live by reason.  And he above all needs people he can fool.  Note that it is not only religious people who live their lives based on belief.  Bigots and racists do too, as an example.  The religious right are, however, far more likely to live based on belief than those who would be classified as more liberal, whether religious or not.

so, let me see if i get this right.

Trump is a serial grifter.  over the years he has developed a REAL talent (not kidding, here) for scoping out the easiest grift.  he mentioned this in the 90's, when he was asked what party he would run for if he ran.  

so, he finds the populations most vulnerable to his influence, and works them for money, sex, power....whatever he can get.  

does that sound about right?

I'm not sure I would put it quite that way.  I'm reading your comment as giving him credit for planning it all.  I'm guessing he thinks of himself as smart enough to con anybody, so he throws something out there.  When people respond, he reacts.  When a lot of people respond, he knows he has something.  That is what he builds on.  That is probably what you were leading up to, but I don't think he cares who reacts to him, as long as somebody does.  But yes, it is all about him and what he can get from people.  What they want is of zero importance, other than what he can gain from it.  

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2022 20:42:58 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 24, 2022 20:24:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, let me see if i get this right.

Trump is a serial grifter.  over the years he has developed a REAL talent (not kidding, here) for scoping out the easiest grift.  he mentioned this in the 90's, when he was asked what party he would run for if he ran.  

so, he finds the populations most vulnerable to his influence, and works them for money, sex, power....whatever he can get.  

does that sound about right?

I'm not sure I would put it quite that way.  I'm reading your comment as giving him credit for planning it all.  I'm guessing he thinks of himself as smart enough to con anybody, so he throws something out there.  When people respond, he reacts.  When a lot of people respond, he knows he has something.  That is what he builds on.  That is probably what you were leading up to, but I don't think he cares who reacts to him, as long as somebody does.  But yes, it is all about him and what he can get from people.  What they want is of zero importance, other than what he can gain from it.  

condensed reply: yes

i didn't say anything about PLANNING.  not sure how you arrived at that.
what i was getting at is that Trump senses when people are gullible.

[tallguy]

Jun 24, 2022 20:45:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 24, 2022 20:42:58 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I'm not sure I would put it quite that way.  I'm reading your comment as giving him credit for planning it all.  I'm guessing he thinks of himself as smart enough to con anybody, so he throws something out there.  When people respond, he reacts.  When a lot of people respond, he knows he has something.  That is what he builds on.  That is probably what you were leading up to, but I don't think he cares who reacts to him, as long as somebody does.  But yes, it is all about him and what he can get from people.  What they want is of zero importance, other than what he can gain from it.  

condensed reply: yes

i didn't say anything about PLANNING.  not sure how you arrived at that.
what i was getting at is that Trump senses when people are gullible.

Not that it really matters, but I derived that interpretation from:
1.  "...scoping out the easiest grift"
2.  "..he finds the populations most vulnerable to his influence."

I don't think he is consciously engaged in that level of intent.  His intent is general, in that he wants something to happen so he can exploit it.  He knows that whatever he does some people will react.  He is gifted at judging and exploiting the reactions, certainly, and over the years he has developed a pretty good idea for what will trigger people.

Again, it doesn't matter so doesn't really require a response. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2022 21:19:00 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 24, 2022 20:45:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

condensed reply: yes

i didn't say anything about PLANNING.  not sure how you arrived at that.
what i was getting at is that Trump senses when people are gullible.

Not that it really matters, but I derived that interpretation from:
1.  "...scoping out the easiest grift"
2.  "..he finds the populations most vulnerable to his influence."

I don't think he is consciously engaged in that level of intent.  His intent is general, in that he wants something to happen so he can exploit it.  He knows that whatever he does some people will react.  He is gifted at judging and exploiting the reactions, certainly, and over the years he has developed a pretty good idea for what will trigger people.

Again, it doesn't matter so doesn't really require a response. 

scoping out is what a sexual predator does in a bar.
ditto for finding populations most vulnerable.

i am not sure whether it is conscious or not.  i am really not capable of seeing the world the way he does.  and i am not about to try.

[deminmaine]

Jun 24, 2022 20:42:58 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 24, 2022 20:24:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

so, let me see if i get this right.

Trump is a serial grifter.  over the years he has developed a REAL talent (not kidding, here) for scoping out the easiest grift.  he mentioned this in the 90's, when he was asked what party he would run for if he ran.  

so, he finds the populations most vulnerable to his influence, and works them for money, sex, power....whatever he can get.  

does that sound about right?

I'm not sure I would put it quite that way.  I'm reading your comment as giving him credit for planning it all.  I'm guessing he thinks of himself as smart enough to con anybody, so he throws something out there.  When people respond, he reacts.  When a lot of people respond, he knows he has something.  That is what he builds on.  That is probably what you were leading up to, but I don't think he cares who reacts to him, as long as somebody does.  But yes, it is all about him and what he can get from people.  What they want is of zero importance, other than what he can gain from it.  

Yes, I and many others too (probably) would agree with that.  What I can't wrap my head around to this day is how it worked well enough to give him the EC in 2016.  Stranger than fiction.

[djAdvocate]

it was a combination of turn on and turn off.

nobody was super hot on Clinton, and they simply didn't hate Trump enough, yet.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

What I can't wrap my head around to this day is how it worked well enough to give him the EC in 2016. Stranger than fiction.

I believe his campaign group, especially Kellyanne Conway, was smarter then Hillary's group in getting the best bang for the buck in EC votes. In retrospect she missed opportunities to visit and campaign hard. Misjudged trumps nasty, name calling entertainer like ability to attract people. So we paid the price for 4 years and I hope enough people learned their lesson. 

[happyhoix]

Jun 26, 2022 15:02:35 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

What I can't wrap my head around to this day is how it worked well enough to give him the EC in 2016. Stranger than fiction.

I believe his campaign group, especially Kellyanne Conway, was smarter then Hillary's group in getting the best bang for the buck in EC votes. In retrospect she missed opportunities to visit and campaign hard. Misjudged trumps nasty, name calling entertainer like ability to attract people. So we paid the price for 4 years and I hope enough people learned their lesson. 

Yeah I think some of it also was ‘I don’t want another Clinton” and ‘Let’s mix this up and not elect another life long politician - let’s see what Trump can do!’

Well, now we know clowns can sometimes be fun and entertaining but can also sometimes be terrifying and can burn the tent down.