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Post by thyme4change on Oct 1, 2021 16:52:21 GMT -5
Lots of good data here. I do not see it broke down by ethnic group in each state for a true political decision Trumpers versus the world. As you can see from what I posted about NY State there is a problem with minorities receiving the vaccinations. And again, the states with the lowest vaccination rates are ID, WY, and MT. Overwhelmingly conservative and white. No comment about the rates of republicans vs democrats I quoted. The states with the lowest vaccination rates are in the south and mountain west. Your continued insistence to highlight minority rates is an attempt to distract from the truth. COVID is rampaging through states with low vaccination rates, which are white, conservative, and republican. None of what you have posted changes that. And if you look at the bar graph where rates are broken down by ethnicity, the rates are not that far off. But...but...but there was a bus full of infected immigrants that drove to every conservative state in the country and breathed all over the good guys.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 1, 2021 16:58:36 GMT -5
And again, the states with the lowest vaccination rates are ID, WY, and MT. Overwhelmingly conservative and white. No comment about the rates of republicans vs democrats I quoted. The states with the lowest vaccination rates are in the south and mountain west. Your continued insistence to highlight minority rates is an attempt to distract from the truth. COVID is rampaging through states with low vaccination rates, which are white, conservative, and republican. None of what you have posted changes that. And if you look at the bar graph where rates are broken down by ethnicity, the rates are not that far off. But...but...but there was a bus full of infected immigrants that drove to every conservative state in the country and breathed all over the good guys. Yes, the party of personal responsibility again blaming others for their problems. All I know is that case rates seem to be tracking vaccination rates, which are highly correlated with political affiliation. As was pointed out in another thread, Fox Need is the highest rated news program. They also are responsible for a large amount of disinformation about the disease. I don’t think their viewership is black, brown, or immigrants. I wonder who the are catering too.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 1, 2021 19:16:28 GMT -5
That is harsh by both of you. You feel the same way about teachers, healthcare workers, and doctors who refuse the vaccine? These are educated professionals. Then you have Biden excusing the postal service from getting the vaccine............. If I was adding maybe you too could be collateral damage, via the postal service, I am sure you would pipe in rather harshly. Yes, I feel that anyone who refuses to get vaccinated deserves what happens to them, including my sister. This has gone on far too long. Too many people have worked too hard during this pandemic to provide light at the end of the tunnel, and those that don’t get vaccinated are harming everyone. I have had enough….and I’m not the only one.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 3, 2021 10:19:45 GMT -5
That is harsh by both of you. You feel the same way about teachers, healthcare workers, and doctors who refuse the vaccine? These are educated professionals. Then you have Biden excusing the postal service from getting the vaccine............. If I was adding maybe you too could be collateral damage, via the postal service, I am sure you would pipe in rather harshly. Yes, I feel that anyone who refuses to get vaccinated deserves what happens to them, including my sister. This has gone on far too long. Too many people have worked too hard during this pandemic to provide light at the end of the tunnel, and those that don’t get vaccinated are harming everyone. I have had enough….and I’m not the only one. The democrats have you running so scared you do not use your head anymore. States with the highest vaccination rates are now joining the crowd. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virus-surge-hits-new-england-despite-high-vaccination-rates/ar-AAP5Kdn?li=BBnb7Kz
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 3, 2021 10:25:02 GMT -5
Lots of good data here. I do not see it broke down by ethnic group in each state for a true political decision Trumpers versus the world. As you can see from what I posted about NY State there is a problem with minorities receiving the vaccinations. And again, the states with the lowest vaccination rates are ID, WY, and MT. Overwhelmingly conservative and white. No comment about the rates of republicans vs democrats I quoted. The states with the lowest vaccination rates are in the south and mountain west. Your continued insistence to highlight minority rates is an attempt to distract from the truth. COVID is rampaging through states with low vaccination rates, which are white, conservative, and republican. None of what you have posted changes that. And if you look at the bar graph where rates are broken down by ethnicity, the rates are not that far off. Read the data in post 25. I noticed you failed to reply......... NYC is a democratic fortress of whites and minorities that are all democrats. Other data I posted showed states that voted for Trump also have huge numbers of minorities who refuse the vaccination and all you got are three really small states population wise to fight over. Quit the damn cherry picking of data and admit democrats screwed the pooch on this and their party faithful also refuse the vaccination. 5,500 teachers in NYC are being fired for no vaccines.......
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 3, 2021 10:34:58 GMT -5
Yes, I feel that anyone who refuses to get vaccinated deserves what happens to them, including my sister. This has gone on far too long. Too many people have worked too hard during this pandemic to provide light at the end of the tunnel, and those that don’t get vaccinated are harming everyone. I have had enough….and I’m not the only one. The democrats have you running so scared you do not use your head anymore. States with the highest vaccination rates are now joining the crowd. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virus-surge-hits-new-england-despite-high-vaccination-rates/ar-AAP5Kdn?li=BBnb7Kz From your link: Even though parts of New England are seeing record case counts, hospitalizations and deaths that rival pre-vaccine peaks, largely among the unvaccinated, the region hasn’t seen the impact the delta variant wave has wrought on other parts of the country.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 3, 2021 10:41:13 GMT -5
Cannot reply anymore today. Heading out to Goodland Florida to Stan's Idle hour. Sunday is funday! Six and a half hours of music in the sun.......
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 3, 2021 10:44:18 GMT -5
Valuebuy doesn't even bother to read the links he provides. And if he does read them, major reading comprehension.
Time to smell the peanut butter.
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Post by Opti on Oct 3, 2021 11:01:57 GMT -5
Yes, I feel that anyone who refuses to get vaccinated deserves what happens to them, including my sister. This has gone on far too long. Too many people have worked too hard during this pandemic to provide light at the end of the tunnel, and those that don’t get vaccinated are harming everyone. I have had enough….and I’m not the only one. The democrats have you running so scared you do not use your head anymore. States with the highest vaccination rates are now joining the crowd. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virus-surge-hits-new-england-despite-high-vaccination-rates/ar-AAP5Kdn?li=BBnb7KzDelta is everywhere in the US. It is even in the UK where vaccination rates are much better than America. Yes there are people of all political persuasions not taking the vaccine. However, it remains true that more of the refusers are Republican than any other political persuasion. Check out figure 3. I wish they had included fully vaccinated, instead of the one dose amount, but notice Republicans are at 54% for the first dose and Democrats at 86%. Only the uninsured have a worse percentage for the vaccine. journalistsresource.org/health/vaccine-hesitancy-research-roundup-data-sources/I hate the politics of this, however, pretending it isn't there and Trump didn't do huge lasting damage in how he spoke about the virus is wishful thinking at best.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 3, 2021 11:53:28 GMT -5
Yes, I feel that anyone who refuses to get vaccinated deserves what happens to them, including my sister. This has gone on far too long. Too many people have worked too hard during this pandemic to provide light at the end of the tunnel, and those that don’t get vaccinated are harming everyone. I have had enough….and I’m not the only one. The democrats have you running so scared you do not use your head anymore. States with the highest vaccination rates are now joining the crowd. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virus-surge-hits-new-england-despite-high-vaccination-rates/ar-AAP5Kdn?li=BBnb7KzThe vast majority of those hospitalized are still unvaccinated. Despite those states having 60+% vaccinated, it still means that 30+% are not. If you do the very simple math, it still means that those 30+% who are unvaccinated and infected can overrun the largely rural (read fewer beds) medical facilities. I forgot……math is hard for some.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 3, 2021 14:32:31 GMT -5
And again, the states with the lowest vaccination rates are ID, WY, and MT. Overwhelmingly conservative and white. No comment about the rates of republicans vs democrats I quoted. The states with the lowest vaccination rates are in the south and mountain west. Your continued insistence to highlight minority rates is an attempt to distract from the truth. COVID is rampaging through states with low vaccination rates, which are white, conservative, and republican. None of what you have posted changes that. And if you look at the bar graph where rates are broken down by ethnicity, the rates are not that far off. Read the data in post 25. I noticed you failed to reply......... NYC is a democratic fortress of whites and minorities that are all democrats. Other data I posted showed states that voted for Trump also have huge numbers of minorities who refuse the vaccination and all you got are three really small states population wise to fight over. Quit the damn cherry picking of data and admit democrats screwed the pooch on this and their party faithful also refuse the vaccination. 5,500 teachers in NYC are being fired for no vaccines....... I think you’re failing to understand that vaccinated people can still get Covid. So case counts can go up with the Delta variant. The difference is, vaccinated people are significantly less likely to need hospitalization, and way, way less likely to die than unvaccinated. It’s the states that have the lowest vaccine rates that are seeing the most hospitalizations and deaths. And it’s the red Trump states.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 3, 2021 15:15:16 GMT -5
And again, the states with the lowest vaccination rates are ID, WY, and MT. Overwhelmingly conservative and white. No comment about the rates of republicans vs democrats I quoted. The states with the lowest vaccination rates are in the south and mountain west. Your continued insistence to highlight minority rates is an attempt to distract from the truth. COVID is rampaging through states with low vaccination rates, which are white, conservative, and republican. None of what you have posted changes that. And if you look at the bar graph where rates are broken down by ethnicity, the rates are not that far off. Read the data in post 25. I noticed you failed to reply......... NYC is a democratic fortress of whites and minorities that are all democrats. Other data I posted showed states that voted for Trump also have huge numbers of minorities who refuse the vaccination and all you got are three really small states population wise to fight over. Quit the damn cherry picking of data and admit democrats screwed the pooch on this and their party faithful also refuse the vaccination. 5,500 teachers in NYC are being fired for no vaccines....... I’m not the one cherry-picking data. You continue with the conservative racist trope. Some facts The pandemic is raging among the unvaccinated. You are 11 times more likely to die and 5 times more likely to be hospitalized if you are unvaccinated Whites are about 75% of the US population and African Americans about 13% As a result, the trajectory of the pandemic is going to be dependent on the proportion of the white population, which is not uniformly distributed across the US White(majority male) conservatives/republicans are the least vaccinated group of whites. They so happen to be disproportionately distributed in the regions where the pandemic has been out of control, hospitals are full, and deaths have been mounting. As a result, the pandemic will come under control most easily if that group would get vaccinated, or when enough have been infected. The only question is how many die and at what economic cost. You fellow conservatives own this. It is right wing media and Republican politicians who have been almost entirely responsible for the disinformation and policies that are getting people killed. But continue to try to cast blame elsewhere ETA: fixed. Should read unvaccinated
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 3, 2021 17:34:33 GMT -5
yeah, I think we need to stop pinning this on NY. NY had the disadvantage of being the first or second densely populated region to get this, at a time when testing basically didn't exist.
NO OTHER REGION HAS THAT EXCUSE.
sorry, but those are the facts.
so, yes, NY got hit hard because it had all the disadvantages and none of the advantages. if you take virtually every other instance SINCE then, however, a quite different picture of the pandemic emerges.
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Post by Opti on Oct 3, 2021 17:38:12 GMT -5
NYC is the largest city in the US and the most dense. I am surprised at the numbers, but if I lived there its quite possible I wouldn't be. The logistics for many workers working the day shift must have made it difficult to plan getting a shot unless offered by their employer. I have a feeling, logistics is part of the reason WV has such a low vax rate. (small towns, rural areas)
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Post by tallguy on Oct 3, 2021 17:42:25 GMT -5
And again, the states with the lowest vaccination rates are ID, WY, and MT. Overwhelmingly conservative and white. No comment about the rates of republicans vs democrats I quoted. The states with the lowest vaccination rates are in the south and mountain west. Your continued insistence to highlight minority rates is an attempt to distract from the truth. COVID is rampaging through states with low vaccination rates, which are white, conservative, and republican. None of what you have posted changes that. And if you look at the bar graph where rates are broken down by ethnicity, the rates are not that far off. Read the data in post 25. I noticed you failed to reply......... NYC is a democratic fortress of whites and minorities that are all democrats. Other data I posted showed states that voted for Trump also have huge numbers of minorities who refuse the vaccination and all you got are three really small states population wise to fight over. Quit the damn cherry picking of data and admit democrats screwed the pooch on this and their party faithful also refuse the vaccination. 5,500 teachers in NYC are being fired for no vaccines....... A post I put on another thread a month ago: This thread is not about Trump, so I won't mind if you disregard the comments about him specifically. The idea that Democratic states or leadership have been as bad (or worse) as Republican states or leadership is more than a little bit ridiculous, and would not be proffered by anyone with an ounce of intellectual integrity.
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Post by Opti on Oct 3, 2021 17:55:40 GMT -5
yeah, I think we need to stop pinning this on NY. NY had the disadvantage of being the first or second densely populated region to get this, at a time when testing basically didn't exist. NO OTHER REGION HAS THAT EXCUSE. sorry, but those are the facts. so, yes, NY got hit hard because it had all the disadvantages and none of the advantages. if you take virtually every other instance SINCE then, however, a quite different picture of the pandemic emerges. I think VB is fixated on NYC because of the politics and is ignoring the fact NYC is bigger than a fair amount of states population-wise. NY and NJ got clobbered in the beginning of the pandemic. Because of that, they remain at #5 and #2 in the Worldometer dashboard on deaths per 1 Million in population. But they are right now at #32 and #31 for Covid cases per 1 Million population. TN is current leaderboard material for cases per 1 Million population followed by North Dakota and Florida. Death rate is currently owned by MS with AL, Louisiana, and Arizona in the top 6. I think Florida has been under-reporting so I wonder if accurate reporting would change their ranking. From my earlier post, those planning to not get the vaccine are around 13 to 15% of the population according to that link. If VB's number of 5500 NYC teachers in accurate, it is under 10% of NYC teachers. nypost.com/2021/02/02/nyc-teacher-poll-finds-60-percent-would-exit-department-of-education/But the DOE stressed Tuesday that the poll engaged only a small percentage of the city’s roughly 120,000 school staffers — including 75,000 classroom teachers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 4, 2021 11:02:22 GMT -5
Cannot reply anymore today. Heading out to Goodland Florida to Stan's Idle hour. Sunday is funday! Six and a half hours of music in the sun....... Were these young ladies part of your music in the sun yesterday? Fortunately for these young ladies, they are a little too old for donald trump.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 4, 2021 11:38:37 GMT -5
Yes, I feel that anyone who refuses to get vaccinated deserves what happens to them, including my sister. This has gone on far too long. Too many people have worked too hard during this pandemic to provide light at the end of the tunnel, and those that don’t get vaccinated are harming everyone. I have had enough….and I’m not the only one. The democrats have you running so scared you do not use your head anymore. States with the highest vaccination rates are now joining the crowd. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virus-surge-hits-new-england-despite-high-vaccination-rates/ar-AAP5Kdn?li=BBnb7KzI am not sure how to interpret this post. are you saying:
a) that we should not be afraid of the Delta variant? or b) that this is somehow some kind of a hoax? or c) that the fact that all 50 states are surging runs counter to some sort of narrative? d) ??
I really don't get this post at all.
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Post by Opti on Oct 4, 2021 11:47:31 GMT -5
yeah, I think we need to stop pinning this on NY. NY had the disadvantage of being the first or second densely populated region to get this, at a time when testing basically didn't exist. NO OTHER REGION HAS THAT EXCUSE. sorry, but those are the facts. so, yes, NY got hit hard because it had all the disadvantages and none of the advantages. if you take virtually every other instance SINCE then, however, a quite different picture of the pandemic emerges. I think VB is fixated on NYC because of the politics and is ignoring the fact NYC is bigger than a fair amount of states population-wise. NY and NJ got clobbered in the beginning of the pandemic. Because of that, they remain at #5 and #2 in the Worldometer dashboard on deaths per 1 Million in population. But they are right now at #32 and #31 for Covid cases per 1 Million population. TN is current leaderboard material for cases per 1 Million population followed by North Dakota and Florida. Death rate is currently owned by MS with AL, Louisiana, and Arizona in the top 6. I think Florida has been under-reporting so I wonder if accurate reporting would change their ranking. From my earlier post, those planning to not get the vaccine are around 13 to 15% of the population according to that link. If VB's number of 5500 NYC teachers in accurate, it is under 10% of NYC teachers. nypost.com/2021/02/02/nyc-teacher-poll-finds-60-percent-would-exit-department-of-education/But the DOE stressed Tuesday that the poll engaged only a small percentage of the city’s roughly 120,000 school staffers — including 75,000 classroom teachers.FYI, today's news reported the amount of unvaxed NYC teachers is 3900. CBS news.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 4, 2021 11:58:40 GMT -5
I am not sure how to interpret this post. are you saying:
a) that we should not be afraid of the Delta variant? or b) that this is somehow some kind of a hoax? or c) that the fact that all 50 states are surging runs counter to some sort of narrative? d) ??
I really don't get this post at all.
He is trying to deflect from the abysmal numbers in red states I live and work in New England. Yes, we have had a significant increase in cases, all due to delta and it’s increased infectious ness. Important facts he didn’t know or didn’t share. Our hospitalizations peak at 20-25% of spring 2020 peak 75% of our hospitalizations are in unvaccinated individuals. Most vaccinated infections are found on admission screening and are mildly ill. The unvaccinated individuals are about 25% of the population. Almost all of the severely ill people in icu are unvaccinated Our positivity rate never went above 5%, and cases are going down, and hospitalizations are down 40% Quite different than in other parts of the country. The power of vaccination. Unfortunately, we have our share of idiots here too
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Post by tallguy on Oct 4, 2021 15:06:02 GMT -5
And how much would you bet that most of those idiots are the Trump supporters?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 4, 2021 15:25:06 GMT -5
Based on my experience, the majority of the vaccine refuses that I have discussions with are white males between 30 and 60. I see the occasional young women and minority who are not vaccinated as well. But, based on the nonsense being spewed, they have all the right wing talking points covered
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 4, 2021 15:26:43 GMT -5
I am not sure how to interpret this post. are you saying:
a) that we should not be afraid of the Delta variant? or b) that this is somehow some kind of a hoax? or c) that the fact that all 50 states are surging runs counter to some sort of narrative? d) ??
I really don't get this post at all.
He is trying to deflect from the abysmal numbers in red states I live and work in New England. Yes, we have had a significant increase in cases, all due to delta and it’s increased infectious ness. Important facts he didn’t know or didn’t share. Our hospitalizations peak at 20-25% of spring 2020 peak 75% of our hospitalizations are in unvaccinated individuals. Most vaccinated infections are found on admission screening and are mildly ill. The unvaccinated individuals are about 25% of the population. Almost all of the severely ill people in icu are unvaccinated Our positivity rate never went above 5%, and cases are going down, and hospitalizations are down 40% Quite different than in other parts of the country. The power of vaccination. Unfortunately, we have our share of idiots here too Same here. Nebraska Med started doing graphs to break it down. Maybe 2-3 people are vaccinated who are admitted. NONE of them are on ventilators and so far no deaths ::knock on wood:: The people taking up the entire ICU and dying are all unvaccinated. A friend of mine tried to explain statistics. If you have two people in the hospital and one is vaccinated then that means 50% of people admitted were vaccinated. That is technically and mathmatically correct. However to truly understand the situation you have to look deeper to see that person isn't intubated and made a full recovery. "50% of people admitted are vaccinated" makes a catchy headline and pushes the anti-vaccination agenda but it isn't the whole truth. As I have said before I like not dying and my odds are far far lower of that being vaccinated then taking my chances catching it again unvaccinated.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 4, 2021 15:31:54 GMT -5
He is trying to deflect from the abysmal numbers in red states I live and work in New England. Yes, we have had a significant increase in cases, all due to delta and it’s increased infectious ness. Important facts he didn’t know or didn’t share. Our hospitalizations peak at 20-25% of spring 2020 peak 75% of our hospitalizations are in unvaccinated individuals. Most vaccinated infections are found on admission screening and are mildly ill. The unvaccinated individuals are about 25% of the population. Almost all of the severely ill people in icu are unvaccinated Our positivity rate never went above 5%, and cases are going down, and hospitalizations are down 40% Quite different than in other parts of the country. The power of vaccination. Unfortunately, we have our share of idiots here too Same here. Nebraska Med started doing graphs to break it down. Maybe 2-3 people are vaccinated who are admitted. NONE of them are on ventilators and so far no deaths ::knock on wood:: The people taking up the entire ICU and dying are all unvaccinated. A friend of mine tried to explain statistics. If you have two people in the hospital and one is vaccinated then that means 50% of people admitted were vaccinated. You have to look deeper to see that person isn't intubated and made a full recovery. "50% of people admitted are vaccinated" makes a catchy headline and pushes the anti-vaccination agenda but it isn't the truth. As I have said before I like not dying and my odds are far far lower of that being vaccinated then taking my chances catching it again unvaccinated. All true. If 3/4 of the patient admitted are unvaccinated, and the unvaccinated are only 25% of the population, the relative risk of infection vaccinated/unvaccinated is dramatically higher. When the math is done, your risk of being hospitalized if you are unvaccinated is 5 fold higher and risk of death is 11 times higher. It is just stunning to me that that message is not getting through to these idiots
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Post by tallguy on Oct 4, 2021 15:56:05 GMT -5
Do you think (maybe) that you just answered why it should not really be all that stunning?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 4, 2021 16:42:24 GMT -5
Do you think (maybe) that you just answered why it should not really be all that stunning? Self-preservation is something hard wired into us. Having a hard time understanding ignoring it
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 5, 2021 16:27:49 GMT -5
Do you think (maybe) that you just answered why it should not really be all that stunning? Self-preservation is something hard wired into us. Having a hard time understanding ignoring it Self preservation is usually more immediate- fight or flight type of stuff. I think we have definitely proven that any form of analytical and/or long term thinking isn't a core instinct. I know the vaccine isn't what you and I would think of as "long term" but when you think about your dog, there is no way that they would put together getting a shot today means he will be healthy tomorrow.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 7, 2021 13:00:53 GMT -5
hope they all get fired. the UE extended benefits are gone, right?
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 8, 2021 8:59:49 GMT -5
yeah, I think we need to stop pinning this on NY. NY had the disadvantage of being the first or second densely populated region to get this, at a time when testing basically didn't exist. NO OTHER REGION HAS THAT EXCUSE. sorry, but those are the facts. so, yes, NY got hit hard because it had all the disadvantages and none of the advantages. if you take virtually every other instance SINCE then, however, a quite different picture of the pandemic emerges. I think VB is fixated on NYC because of the politics and is ignoring the fact NYC is bigger than a fair amount of states population-wise. NY and NJ got clobbered in the beginning of the pandemic. Because of that, they remain at #5 and #2 in the Worldometer dashboard on deaths per 1 Million in population. But they are right now at #32 and #31 for Covid cases per 1 Million population. TN is current leaderboard material for cases per 1 Million population followed by North Dakota and Florida. Death rate is currently owned by MS with AL, Louisiana, and Arizona in the top 6. I think Florida has been under-reporting so I wonder if accurate reporting would change their ranking. From my earlier post, those planning to not get the vaccine are around 13 to 15% of the population according to that link. If VB's number of 5500 NYC teachers in accurate, it is under 10% of NYC teachers. nypost.com/2021/02/02/nyc-teacher-poll-finds-60-percent-would-exit-department-of-education/But the DOE stressed Tuesday that the poll engaged only a small percentage of the city’s roughly 120,000 school staffers — including 75,000 classroom teachers.Okay, one more time. The majority of posters here blame hard far right Republican Trump backers, white people, for not getting the vaccine and spreading the disease. I am saying that is not all true. If you look at the infection and death rates of minorities in many states it is higher than white demographics. You can say yeh, because white people are highly vaccinated, but that includes a bunch of white Republicans too. You cannot make this political when vast numbers of minority Democrats refuse to get the vaccine. If anyone bothered to dig deep in the data I posted by opening the links, even in southern red states there are huge numbers of minority designated populations remaining unvaccinated. The problem is much deeper than that. Call it distrust of the government, distrust of vaccines, call it anything but a far right conspiracy, and please quit putting statements out there it is ok to cull the herd.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 8, 2021 9:08:35 GMT -5
yeah, I think we need to stop pinning this on NY. NY had the disadvantage of being the first or second densely populated region to get this, at a time when testing basically didn't exist. NO OTHER REGION HAS THAT EXCUSE. sorry, but those are the facts. so, yes, NY got hit hard because it had all the disadvantages and none of the advantages. if you take virtually every other instance SINCE then, however, a quite different picture of the pandemic emerges. Problem with this is they knew this was highly transmittable from the beginning. You do not fill retirement homes with people wih highly transmittable communicable diseases. Even after Cuomo knew there was a problem, he did not rectify the situation. He hid it. Remember, high level politicians rarily go to jail for the crime, it is the cover up that does them in. In his case it was not evn that. It was hisldesire for a kiss........ P.S. Californis and the Pacific coast were also hit at the very beginning. None of them committed this mistake, although I do believe Oregon or Wshington had the nusing home problem but immediately fixed it and not sure if the state was putting covid patients in the homes.
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