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Post by kadee79 on Sept 2, 2021 11:42:01 GMT -5
You might want to send them this link....just in case it might help them decide to get the vaccine... www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 2, 2021 12:01:48 GMT -5
This is very sad, but also enlightening.
We’ve had about twice as many obituaries in our little local paper lately, but they never post that they died from Covid. Only if they died from something that wasn’t Covid.
It helps the locals pretend no one is dying from it.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 2, 2021 13:34:31 GMT -5
This is very sad, but also enlightening. We’ve had about twice as many obituaries in our little local paper lately, but they never post that they died from Covid. Only if they died from something that wasn’t Covid. It helps the locals pretend no one is dying from it. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/30/1011785899/when-covid-deaths-are-dismissed-or-stigmatized-grief-is-mixed-with-shame-and-angInteresting article about how Covid is now a disenfranchising cause of death. If the deceased was unvaccinated, people blame them. If the community thinks this is a hoax, they downplay the death or shift the blame. Even from the beginning deaths got written off because people were old, heavy or had a pre-existing condition. I can imagine all of those responses hurt.
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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 2, 2021 13:53:03 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this would not convince mom. Those people aren't like me, those people don't live here, it's all fake news, lots MORE people have died/been harmed by getting the vaccine, blah blah...chips in the vaccine, Bill Gates conspiracy, ...
Mom doesn't do Facebook, or computers really, at all. So she's not reading stuff from most of these people. Though I did find out she's watching Fox now; it surprised me, but we didn't have cable while growing up, so I overlooked the fact my parents do have cable now, especially since whenever we visit she has either food shows or Hallmark movies on. Until I asked if she watched Fox, she'd never mentioned it. So if this "news" station "reports" stuff, it seems more authoritative.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Sept 2, 2021 18:32:00 GMT -5
This is very sad, but also enlightening. We’ve had about twice as many obituaries in our little local paper lately, but they never post that they died from Covid. Only if they died from something that wasn’t Covid. It helps the locals pretend no one is dying from it. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/30/1011785899/when-covid-deaths-are-dismissed-or-stigmatized-grief-is-mixed-with-shame-and-angInteresting article about how Covid is now a disenfranchising cause of death. If the deceased was unvaccinated, people blame them. If the community thinks this is a hoax, they downplay the death or shift the blame. Even from the beginning deaths got written off because people were old, heavy or had a pre-existing condition. I can imagine all of those responses hurt. I don't doubt it, but most obituaries don't mention a cause of death. I used to read the paper religiously, and check those out too. Sometimes you could get a hint from where to donate to. If they mention any cause of death, it's almost always cancer. (This was pre-covid.)
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 2, 2021 18:46:58 GMT -5
I don't doubt it, but most obituaries don't mention a cause of death. I used to read the paper religiously, and check those out too. Sometimes you could get a hint from where to donate to. If they mention any cause of death, it's almost always cancer. (This was pre-covid.) I have noticed that is true in written obituaries. It seems like word of mouth is more open - unless it is suicide or a drug OD - then the family gets super vague.
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Post by dondub on Sept 2, 2021 18:58:11 GMT -5
I don't doubt it, but most obituaries don't mention a cause of death. I used to read the paper religiously, and check those out too. Sometimes you could get a hint from where to donate to. If they mention any cause of death, it's almost always cancer. (This was pre-covid.) I have noticed that is true in written obituaries. It seems like word of mouth is more open - unless it is suicide or a drug OD - then the family gets super vague. Or the auto-erotic death of their teenage son.
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 15, 2021 0:51:38 GMT -5
I know someone who won't get vaccinated because they had Covid, so according to them, they don't need to. Ugh.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 15, 2021 14:41:03 GMT -5
I know someone who won't get vaccinated because they had Covid, so according to them, they don't need to. Ugh. So - is that really true of any virus. We have been conditioned to believe that once you recover from a virus, you are safe. With chicken pox - you are safe from chicken pox, but shingles can come get you. But you don't "catch" shingles, right? We have been told that the flu is unique every year, so you can get it every year - but after you have it, you can go and lick a flu patient, and you are safe. Are you? (Honest question - I really don't know diddly squat about viruses).
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Post by Opti on Sept 15, 2021 14:50:05 GMT -5
I know someone who won't get vaccinated because they had Covid, so according to them, they don't need to. Ugh. I would love PMD to weigh in on this. I know of at least a couple people who had mild cases and had Covid twice.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 15, 2021 16:02:41 GMT -5
I know someone who won't get vaccinated because they had Covid, so according to them, they don't need to. Ugh. I would love PMD to weigh in on this. I know of at least a couple people who had mild cases and had Covid twice. We do not know enough to answer that question. You can(and are) re-infected with the other human coronaviruses. You are immune for some short period of time, but your immunity wanes, and you get sick. It is the reason that cold viruses have not faded away. You also will have immunity to the flu strain that you were infected with, but immunity wanes as well, and if you come in contact with a similar strain years later, can be infected with that flu strain. Our immune system is very complicated. The are patient factors and virus factors that determine how durable your immunity after an infection lasts. So, some viral infections do lead to durable, long lasting immunity, but many do not. COVID is new, so we do not know what group it falls into. As we are in the middle of a pandemic, the safest approach is to vaccinate these people, because the consequences of it not conferring a durable immune response are just too severe to accept.
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Post by imawino on Sept 15, 2021 16:07:37 GMT -5
I know someone who won't get vaccinated because they had Covid, so according to them, they don't need to. Ugh. So - is that really true of any virus. We have been conditioned to believe that once you recover from a virus, you are safe. With chicken pox - you are safe from chicken pox, but shingles can come get you. But you don't "catch" shingles, right? We have been told that the flu is unique every year, so you can get it every year - but after you have it, you can go and lick a flu patient, and you are safe. Are you? (Honest question - I really don't know diddly squat about viruses). Note to self.....Thyme's medical advice is not necessarily questionable, but definitely ooky. Also, totally sounds like advice my sweetie would give me, if he had the flu.
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 15, 2021 16:27:15 GMT -5
I would love PMD to weigh in on this. I know of at least a couple people who had mild cases and had Covid twice. We do not know enough to answer that question. You can(and are) re-infected with the other human coronaviruses. You are immune for some short period of time, but your immunity wanes, and you get sick. It is the reason that cold viruses have not faded away. You also will have immunity to the flu strain that you were infected with, but immunity wanes as well, and if you come in contact with a similar strain years later, can be infected with that flu strain. Our immune system is very complicated. The are patient factors and virus factors that determine how durable your immunity after an infection lasts. So, some viral infections do lead to durable, long lasting immunity, but many do not. COVID is new, so we do not know what group it falls into. As we are in the middle of a pandemic, the safest approach is to vaccinate these people, because the consequences of it not conferring a durable immune response are just too severe to accept. If only he wasn't a Trumpeteer. 🙄
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 15, 2021 16:28:47 GMT -5
I would love PMD to weigh in on this. I know of at least a couple people who had mild cases and had Covid twice. We do not know enough to answer that question. You can(and are) re-infected with the other human coronaviruses. You are immune for some short period of time, but your immunity wanes, and you get sick. It is the reason that cold viruses have not faded away. You also will have immunity to the flu strain that you were infected with, but immunity wanes as well, and if you come in contact with a similar strain years later, can be infected with that flu strain. Our immune system is very complicated. The are patient factors and virus factors that determine how durable your immunity after an infection lasts. So, some viral infections do lead to durable, long lasting immunity, but many do not. COVID is new, so we do not know what group it falls into. As we are in the middle of a pandemic, the safest approach is to vaccinate these people, because the consequences of it not conferring a durable immune response are just too severe to accept. Thanks for the info! 😊
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 15, 2021 16:31:43 GMT -5
We do not know enough to answer that question. You can(and are) re-infected with the other human coronaviruses. You are immune for some short period of time, but your immunity wanes, and you get sick. It is the reason that cold viruses have not faded away. You also will have immunity to the flu strain that you were infected with, but immunity wanes as well, and if you come in contact with a similar strain years later, can be infected with that flu strain. Our immune system is very complicated. The are patient factors and virus factors that determine how durable your immunity after an infection lasts. So, some viral infections do lead to durable, long lasting immunity, but many do not. COVID is new, so we do not know what group it falls into. As we are in the middle of a pandemic, the safest approach is to vaccinate these people, because the consequences of it not conferring a durable immune response are just too severe to accept. If only he wasn't a Trumpeteer. 🙄Me?
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 15, 2021 16:37:14 GMT -5
If only he wasn't a Trumpeteer. 🙄 Me? YIKES! SORRY. NO! The person who says they don't need to get vaccinated, cuz they had Covid19.
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Post by toomuchreality on Sept 15, 2021 16:40:38 GMT -5
Me? YIKES! SORRY. NO! The person who says they don't need to get vaccinated, cuz they had Covid19. The idea of you being a Trumpeteer kind of makes me laugh, from the little bit I know about you.😁 I also am not one. (Yuck!)🤮
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 30, 2021 11:03:21 GMT -5
I know someone who won't get vaccinated because they had Covid, so according to them, they don't need to. Ugh. Are you saying they do not have some immunity built into their system? Not true. Some medical people say they have stringer immunity than from the vaccine. Immunity whether natural from having covid, or from having the shot, does not mean you will not catch a variant. The infectiion is usually a mild case if reinfected. Some medical professionals are not sure you should receive a shot if you have recovered from covid.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 30, 2021 11:29:01 GMT -5
You are a medical professional? It is recommended for everyone, even those who had it. The reason is that we do not know the level of antibody required to ensure sufficient immunity, as we do for other infections. Given we are in a pandemic, and we know people can be reinfected, recommending vaccination for everyone is the best way to get everyone to have a known level of protection, and to shut off spread of the virus, so this thing can end. Assuming you are immune when you may not be just adds to our problems.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 30, 2021 11:36:38 GMT -5
I've had it and I got vaccinated. Why wouldn't I? I've had the flu and still get the flu shot every year. Immunity is cummulative the more I am exposed the "smarter" my immune system becomes and the faster it responds to the next event. Given right now COVID is mutating like bunnies in a mating frenzy having my immune system get another training round in benefits me. I kinda like not being dead and it has been proven the vaccines will reduce my risk of that by 90+% The flu shot is only around 60% effective yet no one questions getting one every year. So yeah I'm getting it because I don't know what level of response I'm going to get from old fashioned exposure. It may not be like chicken pox where I am one and done. This could, and likely will be, like the flu it doesn't matter how many times I've had it I could still end up dying from a new variant popping up on the scene. So I get the shot to increase my odds of living.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 30, 2021 11:42:51 GMT -5
I've had it and I got vaccinated. Why wouldn't I? I've had the flu and still get the flu shot every year. Immunity is cummulative the more I am exposed the "smarter" my immune system becomes and the faster it responds to the next event. Given right now COVID is mutating like bunnies in a mating frenzy having my immune system get another training round in benefits me. I kinda like not being dead and it has been proven the vaccines will reduce my risk of that by 90+% The flu shot is only around 60% effective yet no one questions getting one every year. So yeah I'm getting it because I don't know what level of response I'm going to get from old fashioned exposure. It may not be like chicken pox where I am one and done. This could, and likely will be, like the flu it doesn't matter how many times I've had it I could still end up dying from a new variant popping up on the scene. So I get the shot to increase my odds of living. Yet, people who had chicken pox get shingles, and we are vaccinating those over 50 to help prevent shingles. People act like all of these recommendations in regards to COVID are so unique. There are only so many ways to prevent/treat things that similarities abound
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 30, 2021 12:14:00 GMT -5
I've had it and I got vaccinated. Why wouldn't I? I've had the flu and still get the flu shot every year. Immunity is cummulative the more I am exposed the "smarter" my immune system becomes and the faster it responds to the next event. Given right now COVID is mutating like bunnies in a mating frenzy having my immune system get another training round in benefits me. I kinda like not being dead and it has been proven the vaccines will reduce my risk of that by 90+% The flu shot is only around 60% effective yet no one questions getting one every year. So yeah I'm getting it because I don't know what level of response I'm going to get from old fashioned exposure. It may not be like chicken pox where I am one and done. This could, and likely will be, like the flu it doesn't matter how many times I've had it I could still end up dying from a new variant popping up on the scene. So I get the shot to increase my odds of living. Yet, people who had chicken pox get shingles, and we are vaccinating those over 50 to help prevent shingles. People act like all of these recommendations in regards to COVID are so unique. There are only so many ways to prevent/treat things that similarities abound I should have phrased that as I can only get the chicken pox once. I get Shingles if it flairs up again because we continue to harbor it for life. I've been told I am potentially at higher risk because I had such a mild case of the pox but IDK how much truth there actually is to that. My brother caught me from me when he was 2. Shortly after that the vaccine came out, my mom was so annoyed.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 30, 2021 12:20:00 GMT -5
Washington examiner, the right wing news outlet, claims all the people who died because they didn’t get vaccinated died due to confusing statements Biden and Harris made in 2019 and 2020. So it’s no longer “the vaccine is no good!’ It that those poor Trumpists got confused.
Nope.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 30, 2021 12:23:50 GMT -5
Saw on Fb today that a friend from HS, who is not a medical person (sold car and home insurance) is saying the vaccine is clearly the mark of the devil the Bible warned us about so you shouldn’t let the socialists make you get one.
Can’t decide if I should unfriend, ignore or sound off.
Unfriendling seems easiest.
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Post by Opti on Sept 30, 2021 12:40:14 GMT -5
Saw on Fb today that a friend from HS, who is not a medical person (sold car and home insurance) is saying the vaccine is clearly the mark of the devil the Bible warned us about so you shouldn’t let the socialists make you get one. Can’t decide if I should unfriend, ignore or sound off. Unfriendling seems easiest. I wonder how it can be the mark of the devil? You get a shot, and the injection site heals. A MAGA hat would be a better mark of the devil. I wish you were willing to ask if he's going to forgo all future products of J&J and Pfizer.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 30, 2021 13:08:32 GMT -5
Saw on Fb today that a friend from HS, who is not a medical person (sold car and home insurance) is saying the vaccine is clearly the mark of the devil the Bible warned us about so you shouldn’t let the socialists make you get one. Can’t decide if I should unfriend, ignore or sound off. Unfriendling seems easiest. the cool thing about unfriending is that it takes a while for them to figure it out. if ever.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 30, 2021 13:12:31 GMT -5
The cool thing about not having social media is that you never see that crap in the first place.
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Post by dondub on Sept 30, 2021 13:13:25 GMT -5
Saw on Fb today that a friend from HS, who is not a medical person (sold car and home insurance) is saying the vaccine is clearly the mark of the devil the Bible warned us about so you shouldn’t let the socialists make you get one. Can’t decide if I should unfriend, ignore or sound off. Unfriendling seems easiest. I vote for sounding off, but that’s my style and I’m not on Facebook to begin with. Mark of the Beast!!! Oh please. That just sounds mentally unbalanced to me.
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Post by busymom on Sept 30, 2021 13:23:25 GMT -5
I know someone who won't get vaccinated because they had Covid, so according to them, they don't need to. Ugh. Sadly, I know a number of people who believe this. Since they've had Covid, and it was "just like the flu", they won't get vaccinated to protect others, nor will they wear masks. That level of stupid just drives me crazy, plus, there are people we will NOT be seeing over the upcoming holidays due to this. (Yes, I believe we will still be dealing with cases of Covid for some time to come.)
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Post by dondub on Sept 30, 2021 13:31:07 GMT -5
I know someone who won't get vaccinated because they had Covid, so according to them, they don't need to. Ugh. Sadly, I know a number of people who believe this. Since they've had Covid, and it was "just like the flu", they won't get vaccinated to protect others, nor will they wear masks. That level of stupid just drives me crazy, plus, there are people we will NOT be seeing over the upcoming holidays due to this. (Yes, I believe we will still be dealing with cases of Covid for some time to come.) Donnadub, now a retired RN of 40 years, is especially troubled that so many healthcare workers are anti-vac. She just doesn’t get it as they always had to verify getting the annual flu shot. Plus they are typically concerned about health issues. Hello! I keep telling her this is undeniable proof this has become entrenched as a political issue. There is just no other explanation that makes sense. She remains dumbfounded by these idiots.
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