I’m so disheartened

[swamp]

People are stupid.

Wear a mask and get the vaccine

If you don’t want to, then stop freaking protesting and disrupting people who do.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 1, 2021 10:25:54 GMT -5 swamp said:

People are stupid.

Wear a mask and get the vaccine

If you don’t want to, then stop freaking protesting and disrupting people who do.

This division between American groups is only going to get worse I fear. Not only regarding protection from Covid but other highly politicized issues too.

[giramomma]

I agree. But I also think the breakthrough cases are going to be more than expected or at least what we were told.

My county has a 70%+ vaccination rate for all residents, and about 15% of the ones that aren't vaccinated yet are kids 0-12.

We're still seeing a ton of cases...translating to 141.8/100K

About 1/3 of the cases are coming from 23-39 year olds. Given the data, most of them should be vaccinated.

I think I've read somewhere that the delta spike shouldn't be that prolonged. That the peak would be at 6 weeks.

I use this for a source of data: coronavirus.1point3acres.com/

I don't think were that far away from the 6 week mark...

[TheOtherMe]

I received my 3rd Covid vaccine this morning.

There were several signs at check in that said "No Mask No Shot"  

The man in front of me was getting his 1st shot and took one of their disposable masks.

I wore my mask and was pleasantly surprised at how many people were wearing masks.

The woman checking in for shot #3 when I was leaving was arguing about wearing a mask "because she's vaccinated".  

[Bonny]

Sept 1, 2021 10:25:54 GMT -5 swamp said:

People are stupid.

Wear a mask and get the vaccine

If you don’t want to, then stop freaking protesting and disrupting people who do.

I'm actually just angry. 

Leadership who knows better is purposefully misleading vulnerable people in a political game which may cost their followers their lives and brings out the worst selfish instincts in people. How does that math work in their favor?

[formerroomate99]

In my area, outlying mask mandates was passed by the state legislature by popular demand. At that point everybody who wanted to be vaccinated could be, and we have been told for months that Cove it wasn’t really a threat to kids.

But that was back in May before the Delta variant hit our area. Now, the icu’s and Children’s Hospital are completely full, and we’re finding out the vaccinated people can still spread the Delta variant like wildfire, and that old people can still get very sick even if they’re vaccinated.

The governor knows better. He was the lieutenant governor when this whole thing started. He seen the data and he is trying to encourage people to do the right thing. But they haven’t dropped the legislation against mask mandates, and I’m very disappointed that he doesn’t have the courage to do the right thing.

There’s a fair number of people around town who have started wearing masks again, and I’m going back into hermit mode. If any of my kids were high risk, I would’ve pulled them all out of school by now. There is a case working its way through the courts claiming that ditching the mask mandates is discriminating against high-risk kids. I think my spineless leaders are just hoping that this case will force them into doing the right thing.

[Tiny]

I would assume most jobs and businesses can happen/operate with people wearing masks and still help slow or stop the spread of Covid19.    I don't get why so many people are against masks. Maybe masks need some better marketing? And maybe ways to let people know there are different but still effective styles that can be worn?

We have dress codes and women and sometimes men wear all sorts of silly/uncomfortable fashion accessories along with their typical everyday fashion accessories.   A mask shouldn't be that hard to wear - it's just another fashion accessory. 

I don't see any groups trying to force people to NOT wear socks with sandals  or to not wear ties with business suits or  to not wear "athletic shoes" with business or business causal attire.     I'm sure there are other better examples.  I just can't think of any right now.  

[azucena]

Sept 1, 2021 10:25:54 GMT -5 swamp said:

People are stupid.

Wear a mask and get the vaccine

If you don’t want to, then stop freaking protesting and disrupting people who do.

swamp right there with you.  A friend posted an uplifting fb video about how there are still good people in the world and we're no more than divided than we were during Vietnam.  I couldn't get it out of my head.  

I finally ended up sharing it with my own message...
While I appreciate the sentiment that there are still good people in the world, after the last 5 years, 2020 by itself, and the last 8 months in particular, our world doesn't fully benefit if good people can't be heard past the overwhelming number of ignorant people. I fear the good people, myself included, are too nice to tell the ignorant to sit down and shut up.

[Lizard Queen]

That's one thing that pushed me to email my district's superintendent in favor of masks. I figure there's too many loudmouth anti's out there not to make my counterargument. Superintendent finally relented in an email on Monday. He's reluctantly instituting a mask mandate for K-8 until 6 weeks after vaccines are approved for kids. I responded to him thanking him, again for a counterpoint to the anti's.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

People aren't just stupid people are freaking MEAN anymore.  IDK if it is because they are desperate for control somewhere in their lives or what.   We spent all that time in 2020 paying lip service to the idea that fast food workers and others in the service industry are "heroes" then as soon as 2021 rolled around we're back to treating them like worse than garbage.

My order got messed up at McD's.  Totally my fault for not double checking the receipt before I pulled to the window.  I didn't catch it till the guy handed me the bag.  I checked and said this is incorrect.  Poor guy looked like he was going to cry.  He apologized saying they were short staffed and can't keep anyone.  The kid on drive in was barely 16 years old and had only been there for 48 hours.  The previous one had quit the 48 hours before he was hired.

When I looked at the receipt I realized where the mistake was. I told him it was my fault for not checking and making sure he heard me so don't worry about it.  As I was driving off I wondered how badly are they being treated by people?  The guy was shaking when I said my order was wrong.  It's not cool to put people who are trying their best with what they have been given into that type of mental state.

[azucena]

Ignorant, selfish, and mean - does that about sum up 'Merica?

[azucena]

Sept 1, 2021 13:49:34 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

People aren't just stupid people are freaking MEAN anymore.  IDK if it is because they are desperate for control somewhere in their lives or what.   We spent all that time in 2020 paying lip service to the idea that fast food workers and others in the service industry are "heroes" then as soon as 2021 rolled around we're back to treating them like worse than garbage.

My order got messed up at McD's.  Totally my fault for not double checking the receipt before I pulled to the window.  I didn't catch it till the guy handed me the bag.  I checked and said this is incorrect.  Poor guy looked like he was going to cry.  He apologized saying they were short staffed and can't keep anyone.  The kid on drive in was barely 16 years old and had only been there for 48 hours.  The previous one had quit the 48 hours before he was hired.

When I looked at the receipt I realized where the mistake was. I told him it was my fault for not checking and making sure he heard me so don't worry about it.  As I was driving off I wondered how badly are they being treated by people?  The guy was shaking when I said my order was wrong.  It's not cool to put people who are trying their best with what they have been given into that type of mental state.

We waited several minutes at Subway last night picking up sandwiches between school activities.  As we paid, DH complimented the sole lady working on how hard she was clearly working.  She burst into tears and said she needed to hear it because she had taken her first vacation in six years but the boss called her back in two days early.  Didn't care that she had nonrefundable lodging and was six hours away getting a much needed rest.  Threatened to fire her if she didn't appear the next day, so she had no choice because she has bills to pay including the back to school credit card.  She opened the store at 6 am and the 3 other workers scheduled that day proceeded to ghost her and here it was 6:30 pm and she was making us food, ringing it up, and prepping bread for the next day.

The number of fb posts complaining about fast food restaurants only being open from 11-2 is redonkulous.  Fast food is not a right people.

[mollyanna58]

I am disheartened by how many of us have given up on others and don't really care if they get COVID. I understand it, but it's still sad.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 1, 2021 14:55:42 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I am disheartened by how many of us have given up on others and don't really care if they get COVID. I understand it, but it's still sad.

I wouldn't say I don't care exactly.  I hardly wish COVID on anyone or the pain that it could cause their loved ones.  However as they say you can lead a horse to water but can't make them drink.  I have to make peace with the fact that they have made their choices and I cannot prevent the consequences of them.  I am vaccinated, DH is vaccinated, the girls will hopefully be soon.  We've done our parts as much as we can, I cannot save people from themselves.

[andi9899]

Sept 1, 2021 13:49:34 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

People aren't just stupid people are freaking MEAN anymore.  IDK if it is because they are desperate for control somewhere in their lives or what.   We spent all that time in 2020 paying lip service to the idea that fast food workers and others in the service industry are "heroes" then as soon as 2021 rolled around we're back to treating them like worse than garbage.

My order got messed up at McD's.  Totally my fault for not double checking the receipt before I pulled to the window.  I didn't catch it till the guy handed me the bag.  I checked and said this is incorrect.  Poor guy looked like he was going to cry.  He apologized saying they were short staffed and can't keep anyone.  The kid on drive in was barely 16 years old and had only been there for 48 hours.  The previous one had quit the 48 hours before he was hired.

When I looked at the receipt I realized where the mistake was. I told him it was my fault for not checking and making sure he heard me so don't worry about it.  As I was driving off I wondered how badly are they being treated by people?  The guy was shaking when I said my order was wrong.  It's not cool to put people who are trying their best with what they have been given into that type of mental state.

Then you get people saying that nobody wants to work. No, they don't want to be treated like something stuck to the bottom of your shoe for minimum wage. They also don't want to expose themselves and possibly die as a result.

People are looking for different work that pays better. Some even used their stimulus money to start small businesses during quarantine. If employers want to keep people they need to pay them.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 1, 2021 14:55:42 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I am disheartened by how many of us have given up on others and don't really care if they get COVID. I understand it, but it's still sad.

My empathy bank is empty. I have been through the wringer in the last 18 months. We know how to protect people, but they are unwilling to accept our help. I no longer care if unvaccinated, unmasked people get this, and I will say good riddance to those dying who actively made this worse. Their passing actually decrease the amount of evil in this world. These are the same people who have accused me and my colleagues of lying, lining our own pockets, and many other sins. I have little left to give. I will do my job like I always will, but I will not shed a tear if they die. I will save that for those they infect

[TheOtherMe]

I am another one who has no empathy left for the anti-vaxxers.  I will feel for those they infect if they are people who either are vaccinated or people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or kids under 12.

Teenager here in Iowa was on the news last night.  He got sick in mid-August, just before starting his freshmen year of high school.  He was taken to hospital and transferred to the closest hospital with advanced care.  Yep, he had Covid and had a stroke.  At present he is in a rehab center.

No, he was not vaccinated, nor is his twin brother because their parents don't believe they work.  

[azucena]

Sept 1, 2021 14:55:42 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I am disheartened by how many of us have given up on others and don't really care if they get COVID. I understand it, but it's still sad.

Others don't care if my 9 yo gets covid. They can't be bothered to wear a paper mask on their faces when they are indoors. She asks me on a weekly basis why they don't trying to understand the "grown-ups" around her so fuck no I don't care about them anymore.

[nidena]

Sept 1, 2021 14:01:09 GMT -5 azucena said:

Sept 1, 2021 13:49:34 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

People aren't just stupid people are freaking MEAN anymore.  IDK if it is because they are desperate for control somewhere in their lives or what.   We spent all that time in 2020 paying lip service to the idea that fast food workers and others in the service industry are "heroes" then as soon as 2021 rolled around we're back to treating them like worse than garbage.

My order got messed up at McD's.  Totally my fault for not double checking the receipt before I pulled to the window.  I didn't catch it till the guy handed me the bag.  I checked and said this is incorrect.  Poor guy looked like he was going to cry.  He apologized saying they were short staffed and can't keep anyone.  The kid on drive in was barely 16 years old and had only been there for 48 hours.  The previous one had quit the 48 hours before he was hired.

When I looked at the receipt I realized where the mistake was. I told him it was my fault for not checking and making sure he heard me so don't worry about it.  As I was driving off I wondered how badly are they being treated by people?  The guy was shaking when I said my order was wrong.  It's not cool to put people who are trying their best with what they have been given into that type of mental state.

We waited several minutes at Subway last night picking up sandwiches between school activities.  As we paid, DH complimented the sole lady working on how hard she was clearly working.  She burst into tears and said she needed to hear it because she had taken her first vacation in six years but the boss called her back in two days early.  Didn't care that she had nonrefundable lodging and was six hours away getting a much needed rest.  Threatened to fire her if she didn't appear the next day, so she had no choice because she has bills to pay including the back to school credit card.  She opened the store at 6 am and the 3 other workers scheduled that day proceeded to ghost her and here it was 6:30 pm and she was making us food, ringing it up, and prepping bread for the next day.

The number of fb posts complaining about fast food restaurants only being open from 11-2 is redonkulous.  Fast food is not a right people.

And goodness forbid that damn companies just close a few locations for good in the major metropolitan areas so that they can consolidate their talent pool and let employees do intra-company transfers so they're still able to work near where they live.
www.businessinsider.com/who-owns-taco-bell-arbys-burger-king-2019-3?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar 

[haapai]

The link posted in Reply #18 leads to an error message. 

[thyme4change]

Sept 1, 2021 17:24:26 GMT -5 nidena said:

Sept 1, 2021 14:01:09 GMT -5 azucena said:

We waited several minutes at Subway last night picking up sandwiches between school activities.  As we paid, DH complimented the sole lady working on how hard she was clearly working.  She burst into tears and said she needed to hear it because she had taken her first vacation in six years but the boss called her back in two days early.  Didn't care that she had nonrefundable lodging and was six hours away getting a much needed rest.  Threatened to fire her if she didn't appear the next day, so she had no choice because she has bills to pay including the back to school credit card.  She opened the store at 6 am and the 3 other workers scheduled that day proceeded to ghost her and here it was 6:30 pm and she was making us food, ringing it up, and prepping bread for the next day.

The number of fb posts complaining about fast food restaurants only being open from 11-2 is redonkulous.  Fast food is not a right people.

And goodness forbid that damn companies just close a few locations for good in the major metropolitan areas so that they can consolidate their talent pool and let employees do intra-company transfers so they're still able to work near where they live.
www.businessinsider.com/who-owns-taco-bell-arbys-burger-king-2019-3 

This gets a little tricky because these big companies have a lot of franchise locations. I am not sure how you just cut off a few stores in an area. And there are corporate stores, and sometimes smaller companies own many franchises. And the complexities go on and on.

[kadee79]

Sept 1, 2021 10:25:54 GMT -5 swamp said:

If you don’t want to, then stop freaking protesting and disrupting people who do.

They talk about freedom...to do what they want with their bodies while they are taking that same freedom away from those who want to get the vaccines.
Someone needs to shut them down, make then go home & take "their" freedom with them & leave the rest of the world alone!

[haapai]

I get anxious and angry and fearful whenever I hear folks talking about schools reopening, in-person, five-days, with minimal masking and distancing or improved ventilation and talk about it only being a risk for the kiddos and their parents.  "We need to do more to keep the kids safe" is what people who should know better wail, piously. 

I get it that the kiddos and their parents and teachers et al are the most at risk, but why are we pretending that it ends there?  Why in the name of common sense are we conveniently pretending that it all ends there?   The people that work with the parents of small children, and the parents of not-so-small kids who attend school with the siblings of short ones are also at risk.  We're oddly welded to the idea that small children and in-person schooling cannot possibly be vectors of Covid-19 dissemination and we're perversely ignoring the fact that the first thing that we did when Covid-19 hit was to shut down the schools.

We have absolutely no idea what will happen when we reopening in-person schooling.  We're pretending that we just have to do this despite having higher new case loads and a more infectious variant in circulation than we've ever had before.  I don't understand how anyone thinks this is a good idea, or even possible.  H.E. double hockey-sticks, do you guys really think that schools can remain open for long while even pretending to even the most minimal contact tracing and quarantining? 

[formerroomate99]

Sept 1, 2021 20:34:18 GMT -5 haapai said:

I get anxious and angry and fearful whenever I hear folks talking about schools reopening, in-person, five-days, with minimal masking and distancing or improved ventilation and talk about it only being a risk for the kiddos and their parents.  "We need to do more to keep the kids safe" is what people who should know better wail, piously. 

I get it that the kiddos and their parents and teachers et al are the most at risk, but why are we pretending that it ends there?  Why in the name of common sense are we conveniently pretending that it all ends there?   The people that work with the parents of small children, and the parents of not-so-small kids who attend school with the siblings of short ones are also at risk.  We're oddly welded to the idea that small children and in-person schooling cannot possibly be vectors of Covid-19 dissemination and we're perversely ignoring the fact that the first thing that we did when Covid-19 hit was to shut down the schools.

We have absolutely no idea what will happen when we reopening in-person schooling.  We're pretending that we just have to do this despite having higher new case loads and a more infectious variant in circulation than we've ever had before.  I don't understand how anyone thinks this is a good idea, or even possible.  H.E. double hockey-sticks, do you guys really think that schools can remain open for long while even pretending to even the most minimal contact tracing and quarantining? 

My area had in person schooling last year. The kids wore masks and the Delta variant wasn’t around. There was very little transmission among the elementary kids at a lot more among the college kids and high school kids, who were likely socializing unmasked outside of school. Don’t even get me started on those stupid sports So if the schools in your area take sensible precautions, there’s a somewhat decent chance that you’re going to be OK, especially if the over 12 crowd is already mostly vaccinated.

[justme]

I definitely can get frustrated with slower service. But then I remember why, take a deep breath, and either deal with it or leave.

I'm going on a weekend cruise this weekend where everyone 12+ will be vaccinated and the crew will likely outnumber the guests. I'm going to enjoy relaxing not having to worry about anything, including knowing everyone around me is vaccinated! It'll be nice not worrying about it since I live in Florida.

[nidena]

Sept 1, 2021 17:39:47 GMT -5 haapai said:

The link posted in Reply #18 leads to an error message. 

Try it now.

[nidena]

Sept 1, 2021 18:19:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 1, 2021 17:24:26 GMT -5 nidena said:

And goodness forbid that damn companies just close a few locations for good in the major metropolitan areas so that they can consolidate their talent pool and let employees do intra-company transfers so they're still able to work near where they live.
www.businessinsider.com/who-owns-taco-bell-arbys-burger-king-2019-3 

This gets a little tricky because these big companies have a lot of franchise locations. I am not sure how you just cut off a few stores in an area. And there are corporate stores, and sometimes smaller companies own many franchises. And the complexities go on and on.

Complexities aside, it seems they'd rather have most their stores open with 10% of the staff than close anything.

[thyme4change]

Sept 2, 2021 2:54:53 GMT -5 nidena said:

Sept 1, 2021 18:19:21 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

This gets a little tricky because these big companies have a lot of franchise locations. I am not sure how you just cut off a few stores in an area. And there are corporate stores, and sometimes smaller companies own many franchises. And the complexities go on and on.

Complexities aside, it seems they'd rather have most their stores open with 10% of the staff than close anything.

Isn't that like saying that you would rather have a shitty job and keep getting paychecks instead of having no job and no money?

[TheOtherMe]

Sept 1, 2021 20:34:18 GMT -5 haapai said:

I get anxious and angry and fearful whenever I hear folks talking about schools reopening, in-person, five-days, with minimal masking and distancing or improved ventilation and talk about it only being a risk for the kiddos and their parents.  "We need to do more to keep the kids safe" is what people who should know better wail, piously. 

I get it that the kiddos and their parents and teachers et al are the most at risk, but why are we pretending that it ends there?  Why in the name of common sense are we conveniently pretending that it all ends there?   The people that work with the parents of small children, and the parents of not-so-small kids who attend school with the siblings of short ones are also at risk.  We're oddly welded to the idea that small children and in-person schooling cannot possibly be vectors of Covid-19 dissemination and we're perversely ignoring the fact that the first thing that we did when Covid-19 hit was to shut down the schools.

We have absolutely no idea what will happen when we reopening in-person schooling.  We're pretending that we just have to do this despite having higher new case loads and a more infectious variant in circulation than we've ever had before.  I don't understand how anyone thinks this is a good idea, or even possible.  H.E. double hockey-sticks, do you guys really think that schools can remain open for long while even pretending to even the most minimal contact tracing and quarantining? 

Iowa has a law that schools can't require masks.  A state law.  Just before school started, they started reporting the numbers weekly rather than daily.  Yesterday's numbers were worse than last week's numbers.  They are also not requiring quarantine and are not doing contact tracing.

Another huge problem is that parents are sending kids to school with "colds".  Supposedly they can't get their kids tested unless they have a fever at a doctor's office.  The only other option here is to send away for the state's test.  That's a 5-6 day turnaround.  Hopefully the child will be feeling better by then.   If you don't test, you don't have cases.

A county, probably the 2nd largest. had their health department implement a rule that the schools must do contact tracing.  Their # of cases is doubling every week.  At least one county is trying to figure out how to get around the legislature and governor.

[trippypea]

Sept 1, 2021 14:55:42 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I am disheartened by how many of us have given up on others and don't really care if they get COVID. I understand it, but it's still sad.

I care enough about others that I will continue to wear a mask as long as it takes, even though I am vaccinated. However, if they choose to not wear a mask and then get sick and/or die, I have no sympathy because they brought it on themselves. The sad part is, these people are willing to let their kids get sick, knowing that they could possibly die, and if not die, end up with some serious, long term issues, all to not have to wear a mask.

Me? I would never put my kids health at risk to try and "own the Libs" (they aren't, by the way).