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Post by billisonboard on Jul 3, 2021 10:36:46 GMT -5
Our entire purchasing department will be gone in a couple months because the two people who are the entire department are retiring. They can't find new people because the way these two have ran things for the past 20 years is so outdated and "their way" people aren't interested. Not when they can go elsewhere and work in the 21st century and not deal with control freaks. The boasting the company does about being full of lifers is starting to backfire and they are finding young people don't want to be stuck in a time warp. This isn't uncommon around here. The city can't figure out why they can't get people to move here and young people are leaving in droves. Well maybe if companies came out of the 1950s Very small sample but the facility I used to run the average worker age was about 63. The home office wasn't interested when I pointed it out as a problem. I do think it was a part of just shutting it down.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 3, 2021 10:51:40 GMT -5
Our entire purchasing department will be gone in a couple months because the two people who are the entire department are retiring. They can't find new people because the way these two have ran things for the past 20 years is so outdated and "their way" people aren't interested. Not when they can go elsewhere and work in the 21st century and not deal with control freaks. The boasting the company does about being full of lifers is starting to backfire and they are finding young people don't want to be stuck in a time warp. This isn't uncommon around here. The city can't figure out why they can't get people to move here and young people are leaving in droves. Well maybe if companies came out of the 1950s Very small sample but the facility I used to run the average worker age was about 63. The home office wasn't interested when I pointed it out as a problem. I do think it was a part of just shutting it down. We run with a crowd of engineers that are aged 50 to 80, where we have drinks and dinner weekly. Just about every single person has been retired at least twice, they have been called in and offered an obscene amount of money for their skill set. The problem there is that there are not a lot of people available with their problem solving skills. TD is 63, and retired as far as he is concerned…..right now anyway. Money isn’t a problem, but this group of people really like being mentally challenged….even with having to deal with corporate BS. They would not be receiving lawyer rates for jobs if there was someone younger and cheaper, and these companies are throwing huge sums out there to entice them. It all boils down to supply and demand.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Jul 3, 2021 12:30:47 GMT -5
Very small sample but the facility I used to run the average worker age was about 63. The home office wasn't interested when I pointed it out as a problem. I do think it was a part of just shutting it down. We run with a crowd of engineers that are aged 50 to 80, where we have drinks and dinner weekly. Just about every single person has been retired at least twice, they have been called in and offered an obscene amount of money for their skill set. The problem there is that there are not a lot of people available with their problem solving skills. TD is 63, and retired as far as he is concerned…..right now anyway. Money isn’t a problem, but this group of people really like being mentally challenged….even with having to deal with corporate BS. They would not be receiving lawyer rates for jobs if there was someone younger and cheaper, and these companies are throwing huge sums out there to entice them. It all boils down to supply and demand. That is sort of what happened to me. I wasn't retired yet (not nearly old enough) but I'm old enough to have a ton of engineering experience in a difficult-to-find area. I got offered an obscene amount of money to jump ship. I think I'm the oldest one at my new shop too.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 3, 2021 15:08:25 GMT -5
Our entire purchasing department will be gone in a couple months because the two people who are the entire department are retiring. They can't find new people because the way these two have ran things for the past 20 years is so outdated and "their way" people aren't interested. Not when they can go elsewhere and work in the 21st century and not deal with control freaks. The boasting the company does about being full of lifers is starting to backfire and they are finding young people don't want to be stuck in a time warp. This isn't uncommon around here. The city can't figure out why they can't get people to move here and young people are leaving in droves. Well maybe if companies came out of the 1950s If the entire dept is retiring, why can't new hires implement their own new procedures once the control freaks are gone? Or are the control freaks somewhere else up the food chain? DS5 started at his new job shortly before Covid hit. He was kind of in between the floor and the office at a container printer. He was already reorganizing stuff (die cutting, materials, etc) and creating master spreadsheets to track where things were located/needed for jobs, before things shut down. Office staff went to WFH, production floor obviously couldn't, and he worked in person as liaison between online office info and the floor. He also did any mockups needed for WFH staff. It drives him crazy the amount of disconnect between inventory lists/numbering systems in different sections, and that nothing is trackable from start to finish. Hence his master spreadsheet. But it's a losing battle trying to get floor people and salespeople to use it. They want him to do the translation for them (to their old lists) and won't closely read the specs or update things. Still so much waste and extra effort due to duplicated dies (that could have been reused if they could be found) or due to miscommunication (mil vs millimeter, on different stock), or orders that are impossible as written (style of item only created on X machine, but it can't run stock that size, or can't do certain cuts/folds, etc). As he was working lots of overtime, the employer laid off the woman who trained him (couldn't justify both of them). He felt guilty, but she admitted he knew more than she did with newer tech SW. He's trying to automate things, but spends lots of time fixing the stuff when others don't use the spreadsheet as intended and wing it. It's apparently a you can lead a horse to water...situation. You wonder how things functioned there at all before he existed.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 8, 2021 8:02:44 GMT -5
On the drive to work this morning I asked DS4 if Wes had been in - the guy who was "retiring" down to part time, and DS4 had been hired to fill his position. Nope, haven't seen him in weeks (and he hadn't been showing up on days he'd said he'd be there). Don't know if he's less inclined to work now, or the boss has let him know he's not really needed because DS4 is handling things just fine. DS4 then says things might get more interesting, soon - another guy quit after an argument with owner's wife. What does/did he do there? EVERYTHING! DS4 is expecting more duties to flow down to him, but he's physically separated at a warehouse 1/2 mile from the store making other duties difficult. He's also already scheduled 10+ hrs overtime every week. So that's 2 guys quit in a huff, and one retired since April. At least 2 were 10+ yrs employees. They still need a driver, but the guy who is trying to get his CDL keeps flunking the book test.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2021 11:03:32 GMT -5
vm.tiktok.com/ZMdXSRVqw/We can fact check this - but a nice summary of things to consider. I think the 10M disabled **might** be overstated for those totally unable to work - but I have no education on that, just wishful thinking. Also, I think there is probably cross over between long-hauler Covid number and retiring boomers, and fear of virus people and women who won't re-enter until care facilities are back to normal. Being in 2 of those categories is highly likely.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 8, 2021 13:09:47 GMT -5
From the article
ETA: It also appears that women could be disproportionately covid long-haulers over men.. But, I don't know how reliaable the guardian is..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 13:19:00 GMT -5
I think the 10M disabled **might** be overstated for those totally unable to work - but I have no education on that, just wishful thinking. Also, I think there is probably cross over between long-hauler Covid number and retiring boomers, and fear of virus people and women who won't re-enter until care facilities are back to normal. Being in 2 of those categories is highly likely. This may be similar to something I learned when pricing Black Lung coverage. Coal miners are a tough lot and they'll work till they drop- or till the mines close. They may be displaying symptoms of Black Lung but they keep on working. When the mines close they file for Black Lung benefits. In this case- you have many people who have been working at physically demanding jobs for years- factory workers, retail and warehouse workers who walk miles every day on floors that are pretty much bare cement, people in jobs such as hair styling that require awkward body positions for long periods... but they keep going because they need the money. Worse, some get addicted to the prescription pain meds. When the jobs disappear they file for disability.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 12, 2021 17:09:29 GMT -5
It looks like people are retiring in "droves" due to the Pandemic, WFH, and job loss. There is a NYTimes story and plenty others if you google "retire 2021 more than usual" www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/upshot/retirements-increased-pandemic.htmlwww.forbes.com/sites/bobcarlson/2021/05/26/the-rush-to-retire-and-what-it-means-to-you/?sh=38082b2e1a3fI listened to an NPR story about why people weren't returning to the workforce (or who had retired "early"). The general theme in responses was the Pandemic - job loss, or working from home, or just having a shift in the whole "work experience" gave people (or caused people) the opportunity to re-evaluate their lives (work and personal). Some discovered they didn't need to return to work ("retire" early or their family can get by without a second income). Some discovered they need to work - but don't need to go back to the job they had or quit - they are doing something different. Some started their own business. It wasn't necessarily "fear of getting/dying from Covid19" it was the changes in the workplace made them realize they wanted something different (WFH made them question a return to a long commute to work for example) or made them realize they were financial stable to make a change. I think I read there were something like 3 million more people "retired" in 20/21 than would be expected. This could play a part in the "worker shortage" especially for low wage or entry level jobs - the people who did those jobs pre-pandemic may have been able to "move up" to a better job. The people who might take those jobs now - might not consider them because they have other better job options.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 12, 2021 17:18:55 GMT -5
Also, as your state ends the extra 300 payment, we should fairly quickly see a flood of people needing jobs and the problem will go away.
But that has not happened in ANY of the states that has ended the extra payments, so maybe we should consider other reasons why we have a shortage of workers.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 12, 2021 17:29:49 GMT -5
Also, as your state ends the extra 300 payment, we should fairly quickly see a flood of people needing jobs and the problem will go away. But that has not happened in ANY of the states that has ended the extra payments, so maybe we should consider other reasons why we have a shortage of workers. Stop being reasonable!
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Post by Opti on Jul 12, 2021 20:32:36 GMT -5
Also, as your state ends the extra 300 payment, we should fairly quickly see a flood of people needing jobs and the problem will go away. But that has not happened in ANY of the states that has ended the extra payments, so maybe we should consider other reasons why we have a shortage of workers. Stop being reasonable! Continue being reasonable. Some day, it may permeate the conservative mind set and they will change. Much like a good portion of conservatives are now OK with women working and in the 50s and 60s that was a rare opinion for that mind set. I want to live in a world where no one needs to treat anyone like crap to feel better. That people start owning their own issues and baggage and addressing it. I thought this should be America, where we are created equal, and where we should have some inalienable rights. That as America, we should aspire to better, and IMO that means FT working people should not be relegated to only living in rooming houses their entire life. We can do better. And for those who don't like carrots, here are some sticks. Ponder on why some people are so desperate they become suicide bombers. Read about Chinese factories locking in bosses and holding them hostage for days because of bad working conditions. Does anyone really aspire to be a wage slave for life when they are three, four, or even fourteen?
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 13, 2021 20:42:34 GMT -5
Also, as your state ends the extra 300 payment, we should fairly quickly see a flood of people needing jobs and the problem will go away. But that has not happened in ANY of the states that has ended the extra payments, so maybe we should consider other reasons why we have a shortage of workers. Maybe that’s why Biden has created the border crisis? Bring in a bunch of illegals to do those crap jobs so that the corporate overlords don’t have to start paying better wages and benefits.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 13, 2021 21:11:06 GMT -5
Continue being reasonable. Some day, it may permeate the conservative mind set and they will change. Much like a good portion of conservatives are now OK with women working and in the 50s and 60s that was a rare opinion for that mind set. I want to live in a world where no one needs to treat anyone like crap to feel better. That people start owning their own issues and baggage and addressing it. I thought this should be America, where we are created equal, and where we should have some inalienable rights. That as America, we should aspire to better, and IMO that means FT working people should not be relegated to only living in rooming houses their entire life. We can do better. And for those who don't like carrots, here are some sticks. Ponder on why some people are so desperate they become suicide bombers. Read about Chinese factories locking in bosses and holding them hostage for days because of bad working conditions. Does anyone really aspire to be a wage slave for life when they are three, four, or even fourteen? We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do.
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Post by nidena on Jul 14, 2021 6:52:56 GMT -5
My cousin posted about this topic yesterday...some meme about "lazy people getting handouts" which prompted to dig again. From what I could find, only 4 million people are receiving UI--sounds low but that's the number I came across on the Dept of Labor site. Then there's the articles about the 2-3 million who retired early--that's come up here. The part that really got me, though, is that nearly 30 million people have had COVID. Yeah, some came out unscathed but it made me wonder how many didn't?
When I look up how many working age adults there are in the US, I came across ~200 million.
With everything already stated in this thread, I find it VERY hard to believe that UI is the culprit. If that was the case, I think the # receiving it would be 20x higher.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 14, 2021 7:47:24 GMT -5
We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do. So, my kids' high school has a bunch of opportunities to get into the trades. The high school has a mini-car garage, complete with lifts, etc so the kids can get experience working on cars. My son has changed spark plugs, etc. Wood shop has a ton of machinery. You can get credit your senior year for co-ops.
My son is looking at being an auto tech when he graduates. And, yet, my son is the only one in his group of friends that isn't pressured to take all AP courses, go to tutoring, being made to take the ACT/SAT a bunch of times, and threatened with having to go to summer school if he gets a B in a class. Some of his friends work, and the kids have to turn their paychecks over to their parents to be managed. One of my son's friends was pissed off that he finally got a debit card at 17/18, where-as we give our kids debit cards at 13, as pat of getting them to start managing their own money and getting them to be independent.
So. I'd argue, that as usual, we shouldn't expect schools to take the role of parenting. But, who knows. Maybe you are arguing that schools should replace parents, and be legally responsible for our kids to "make" the kids go a certain way in life. I have to say, I'm pretty gassed right now, and that break does sound appealing.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2021 8:02:27 GMT -5
Continue being reasonable. Some day, it may permeate the conservative mind set and they will change. Much like a good portion of conservatives are now OK with women working and in the 50s and 60s that was a rare opinion for that mind set. I want to live in a world where no one needs to treat anyone like crap to feel better. That people start owning their own issues and baggage and addressing it. I thought this should be America, where we are created equal, and where we should have some inalienable rights. That as America, we should aspire to better, and IMO that means FT working people should not be relegated to only living in rooming houses their entire life. We can do better. And for those who don't like carrots, here are some sticks. Ponder on why some people are so desperate they become suicide bombers. Read about Chinese factories locking in bosses and holding them hostage for days because of bad working conditions. Does anyone really aspire to be a wage slave for life when they are three, four, or even fourteen? We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do. I believe the trend of college for everyone is reversing, but it will be a slow and careful dance. They can't just announce one day that everyone who fits a certain criteria can't go to college as it would be racially/ethnically skewed and we don't need that fuel added to the fire. Maybe it is just my state, or maybe even my area. AZ is big on charter schools, so I have seen a lot of creative solutions to education. For example - there is a high school here that prepares students to immediately go into computer science and coding jobs. Hopefully corporate America will respond favorably. Just this week I got a perfect resume for a job opening. Six years relevant experience, but only am AA degree, so HR and my boss rejected her. 😡
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 14, 2021 8:16:03 GMT -5
The hourly rate for top of Union grade line workers at my employer make almost 2* what I do with my college degree, plus they have all sorts of extras available to earn even more. It is dangerous work, in the elements, and harder on the body, though. Someone in that position who manages their money well could retire early and do great for themselves.
Do I want my kids to go that route? No, not with their tendencies and talents. Youngest wants to be a cook. He's also smart enough that I looked into having him skip a grade in school. I don't want him to pursue cooking as a profession because it involves shit hours and shit pay, and he could do better for himself by making it a hobby, working less hard for more money doing something else. We'll see where he ends up when he's older.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 14, 2021 8:33:15 GMT -5
I'm guessing with all the academic problems my oldest great nephew has had with school since 1st grade, he will go in to the trades. His dad has worked at a factory all of his life while mom is a surgical nurse. Dad did get certified as a tool and die maker and got a big wage increase when he did that.
The kid is also quite lazy. He has always preferred screen time over anything else. Parents let him do it so he has never studied much.
BIL was going to hire him on the farm but he has told him he will have to work much harder for his pay than he does now or he will need to find a job. Some factories have better working conditions than others.
I could never have worked in a non air-conditioned factory. Nephew-in-law change from a factory without a/c and benefits to one with a/c and benefits. He has been there about 10 years now.
I'm told this summer he is bartending some weekends at his uncle's campground because the uncle can't find employees.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 14, 2021 8:38:13 GMT -5
We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do. I believe the trend of college for everyone is reversing, but it will be a slow and careful dance. They can't just announce one day that everyone who fits a certain criteria can't go to college as it would be racially/ethnically skewed and we don't need that fuel added to the fire. Maybe it is just my state, or maybe even my area. AZ is big on charter schools, so I have seen a lot of creative solutions to education. For example - there is a high school here that prepares students to immediately go into computer science and coding jobs. Hopefully corporate America will respond favorably. Just this week I got a perfect resume for a job opening. Six years relevant experience, but only am AA degree, so HR and my boss rejected her. 😡 That issue was mentioned during my works DEI meetings, the hurdle of a degree that really may not be necessary, and the disproportionate effect those policies could have on certain groups.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 14, 2021 10:01:27 GMT -5
We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do. I believe the trend of college for everyone is reversing, but it will be a slow and careful dance. They can't just announce one day that everyone who fits a certain criteria can't go to college as it would be racially/ethnically skewed and we don't need that fuel added to the fire. Maybe it is just my state, or maybe even my area. AZ is big on charter schools, so I have seen a lot of creative solutions to education. For example - there is a high school here that prepares students to immediately go into computer science and coding jobs. Hopefully corporate America will respond favorably. Just this week I got a perfect resume for a job opening. Six years relevant experience, but only am AA degree, so HR and my boss rejected her. 😡 Not quite the same scenario, but still - my BIL had some college but no BA/BS. Had a good job in tech at county medical center. Eventually they gave him an ultimatum - you need a degree, you can't move up w/o a diploma, ANY diploma. He did the bare minimum to get a token degree, and got a great bump in pay. My sister said she'd have pushed him to do it years ago if she'd known. ETA: in case it wasn't clear - the additional education in no way added to his performance on the job. It was just to tick a box.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Jul 14, 2021 10:11:59 GMT -5
They eliminated the degree requirement where I work a long time ago. All the job descriptions just say "degree in such and such preferred" We even have engineers here with no degrees. It just takes you a longer time to get there.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jul 14, 2021 10:20:07 GMT -5
Continue being reasonable. Some day, it may permeate the conservative mind set and they will change. Much like a good portion of conservatives are now OK with women working and in the 50s and 60s that was a rare opinion for that mind set. I want to live in a world where no one needs to treat anyone like crap to feel better. That people start owning their own issues and baggage and addressing it. I thought this should be America, where we are created equal, and where we should have some inalienable rights. That as America, we should aspire to better, and IMO that means FT working people should not be relegated to only living in rooming houses their entire life. We can do better. And for those who don't like carrots, here are some sticks. Ponder on why some people are so desperate they become suicide bombers. Read about Chinese factories locking in bosses and holding them hostage for days because of bad working conditions. Does anyone really aspire to be a wage slave for life when they are three, four, or even fourteen? We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do. Eff you.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 14, 2021 10:49:29 GMT -5
I noticed the local spa is hiring hairdressers. They are offering a $500 sign on bonus.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2021 11:06:48 GMT -5
I guess asking employers to train people for the job they want is too much. it on the taxpayers. I thought conservatives were against government doing these things.
Our school system had a great cooking program. It was great for those who were not college bound. It was cut when the budget came around. First budget didn't pass.Cuts to education needed to be made, so it went. In a community with lots of professionals, that will be the choice. Blame the schools for taxpayers decisions.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 14, 2021 12:12:01 GMT -5
We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do. Eff you. I love you.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 14, 2021 12:34:54 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2021 14:56:35 GMT -5
The average S&P 500 company CEO made 299 times the average worker's salary last year, according to AFL-CIO's annual Executive Paywatch report. Executives received $15.5 million in total compensation on average, marking an increase of more than $260,000 per year over the past decade. At the same time, the average production and nonsupervisory worker in 2020 earned $43,512, up just $957 a year over the past decade.
Both average compensation and pay ratios grew in 2020 during the pandemic. Executives' average total compensation increased more than $700,000 last year while CEO-to-worker pay ratios increased from 264:1 in 2019.
link Is there a difference that will be too large?
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Post by mollyc on Jul 14, 2021 15:14:19 GMT -5
Continue being reasonable. Some day, it may permeate the conservative mind set and they will change. Much like a good portion of conservatives are now OK with women working and in the 50s and 60s that was a rare opinion for that mind set. I want to live in a world where no one needs to treat anyone like crap to feel better. That people start owning their own issues and baggage and addressing it. I thought this should be America, where we are created equal, and where we should have some inalienable rights. That as America, we should aspire to better, and IMO that means FT working people should not be relegated to only living in rooming houses their entire life. We can do better. And for those who don't like carrots, here are some sticks. Ponder on why some people are so desperate they become suicide bombers. Read about Chinese factories locking in bosses and holding them hostage for days because of bad working conditions. Does anyone really aspire to be a wage slave for life when they are three, four, or even fourteen? We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do. In my experience, it isn't the schools pushing higher learning. From the 80s when I graduated through to now with my dd, nieces/nephews and great nieces/nephews, it has been the parents and other family because they know how hard most trades are on your body and they've lived the ups and downs of booms and busts. They want the kids to have an easier life then they did and that isn't in the trades.
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