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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 14, 2021 15:42:57 GMT -5
My cousins who spent their lives working in factories doing hard manual labor have had all kinds of injuries. One told me that his body couldn't take it any more, so he retired.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2021 15:55:54 GMT -5
My cousins who spent their lives working in factories doing hard manual labor have had all kinds of injuries. One told me that his body couldn't take it any more, so he retired. People who do the jobs some are extolling as good jobs get old fast. We see many people in their 50's who are worn out. Bad backs, shoulders, need hip and knee replacements, develop lung disease from exposures. The idea that they can make 65, let alone 70(like some people who want to raise the retirement age wisk) is unrealistic. With the decline in pensions, and lack of healthcare in this country, many of these"good" jobs turn out to be a raw deal.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2021 15:57:22 GMT -5
The hourly rate for top of Union grade line workers at my employer make almost 2* what I do with my college degree, plus they have all sorts of extras available to earn even more. It is dangerous work, in the elements, and harder on the body, though. Someone in that position who manages their money well could retire early and do great for themselves. Do I want my kids to go that route? No, not with their tendencies and talents. Youngest wants to be a cook. He's also smart enough that I looked into having him skip a grade in school. I don't want him to pursue cooking as a profession because it involves shit hours and shit pay, and he could do better for himself by making it a hobby, working less hard for more money doing something else. We'll see where he ends up when he's older. Manages their money well AND doesn't have an accident that disables them before they have that nest egg built up AND does not have so much wear and tear that they are in constant pain, they will have done well for themselves.
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Post by souldoubt on Jul 14, 2021 15:58:59 GMT -5
I graduated high school in 2000 and I can't say I came across anyone who was pushed into or pushed their kids into higher learning because of how hard trades are but maybe the topic just didn't come up. My mom busted her ass for decades while taking pride in missing very little work, picking up extra work when asked and so on. I watched her and quite a few friends parents who did the same get let go like nothing from corporate office jobs because it improved the bottom line ever so slightly. Between my wife's side of the family and mine we have people who made a living or are still making a living in the oil, construction, elevator and plumbing industries. I've got friends that work in the natural gas industry and one who has been on for about a decade is on pace to make closer to $200K than $150K this year. All of them who have been at it for around 10 years or more are making 6 figures and some of their co-workers make a lot with OT. Most of the individuals who are now retired eventually moved into management or supervision which is something I'm seeing those still working in those fields doing which means less wear and tear on their bodies. The youngest one that comes to mind bought his first house about a year ago for $600K before turning 25. I don't assume their experiences in these fields are the norm but of the people I know that put their time in they've all been able to make a living out of it while some have done quite well.
There's no one size fits all answer but I think the "you have to go to college" mantra backfired for individuals who really didn't want to be there and/or got degrees that didn't translate well into careers after college. A few guys who were just going through the motions that I went to high school with and saw at college ended up after college with debt and working jobs they could have had right out of high school. Similarly people shouldn't be pushed into the trades unless it's something they're interested in and/or take to naturally. Locally a few high schools have focused more on some of their trade paths rather than cutting funding and they've placed a lot of kids into careers like auto mechanics straight out of high school. I think the difference between trade and other fields when it comes to booms and busts has gotten a lot smaller over the years especially during the mortgage crisis when droves of office workers lost their jobs over night.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Jul 14, 2021 15:59:27 GMT -5
I didn't push my kids into college. They know I'm good with any training, college or not. But talking with them makes me aware that the school DID push them into college. 2 of my kids were college material and 2 were not. I gently tried to discharge the 2 that were not ready for college from going right away but they didn't listen to me. They now have debt and no degrees and no training. It was obvious to me that they needed a couple years more growing up and work weeks before they were ready for college. Teens don't always listen to parents 🙄
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Post by stillmovingforward on Jul 14, 2021 16:05:03 GMT -5
FWIW - I don't think High Schools are for teaching real job skills. They are for teaching soft skills to make a well rounded person and to give all kids exposure to all categories of things. How would a kid know he likes Shakespeare if he never had to read it (my DH)? Painting, welding, math, computers, etc.? They can learn job skills in trade school or on the job. We joke that even college doesn't teach you the skills we need. They just prove they you know how to learn.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2021 16:23:07 GMT -5
Very small sample but the facility I used to run the average worker age was about 63. The home office wasn't interested when I pointed it out as a problem. I do think it was a part of just shutting it down. We run with a crowd of engineers that are aged 50 to 80, where we have drinks and dinner weekly. Just about every single person has been retired at least twice, they have been called in and offered an obscene amount of money for their skill set. The problem there is that there are not a lot of people available with their problem solving skills. TD is 63, and retired as far as he is concerned…..right now anyway. Money isn’t a problem, but this group of people really like being mentally challenged….even with having to deal with corporate BS. They would not be receiving lawyer rates for jobs if there was someone younger and cheaper, and these companies are throwing huge sums out there to entice them. It all boils down to supply and demand. In technology companies and certain kinds of healthcare the only option is forward. Computer hardware and software become obsolete by design and Medicare and various levels of govt change how healthcare works ALL THE TIME. I've yet to work in a company that was able to stay in a time warp, but perhaps that says more about who I am and what things I am attracted to. I do not get the big contract bucks and from what I know it has to be something that is demand enough, but not so in demand that people flock to learn the skill. I know someone who made more than I did at his Big Telco versus my Big Pharma at the time because there were many adaptable UNIX peeps and not so many Cobol programmers. That's why he earned 1.5 times more than me, not skill, not personality, etc. And I'm not saying he wasn't good, he was, but I am a champion reverse engineerer in the areas I know and in some I don't yet know much about. But I'm female, and at 61, it was always a tightrope and it still is at times. Through volleyball, I met many people including a programmer who went to working just part of the year, and flying and living where he needed to for short term gigs. That might have appealed to me when I was younger or after my divorce, but is not that appealing now.
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Post by souldoubt on Jul 14, 2021 16:35:39 GMT -5
FWIW - I don't think High Schools are for teaching real job skills. They are for teaching soft skills to make a well rounded person and to give all kids exposure to all categories of things. How would a kid know he likes Shakespeare if he never had to read it (my DH)? Painting, welding, math, computers, etc.? They can learn job skills in trade school or on the job. We joke that even college doesn't teach you the skills we need. They just prove they you know how to learn. I don't disagree but for some kids by the time they're say juniors it's evident that Shakespeare and certain other subjects hold absolutely no interest for them. I knew quite a few kids who either didn't graduate or were getting nothing out of certain classes at a point. I don't blame Shakespeare, teachers or the school and there are always other factors in their lives (or rather lack thereof at home) but having a trade school path would go a long way for some kids. My grandfather said 20+ years ago there needed to be a trade school path or trade training option for some kids starting around ages 16-17 and the last few decades only reinforced his belief to me.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Jul 14, 2021 16:45:42 GMT -5
In our area, they can choose a vo-tech school that all the school districts in the county are part of for 11 - 12 grade. In some of those groups, 100% of the kids have jobs waiting for them out of school if they wish.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2021 16:53:29 GMT -5
FWIW - I don't think High Schools are for teaching real job skills. They are for teaching soft skills to make a well rounded person and to give all kids exposure to all categories of things. How would a kid know he likes Shakespeare if he never had to read it (my DH)? Painting, welding, math, computers, etc.? They can learn job skills in trade school or on the job. We joke that even college doesn't teach you the skills we need. They just prove they you know how to learn. I don't disagree but for some kids by the time they're say juniors it's evident that Shakespeare and certain other subjects hold absolutely no interest for them. I knew quite a few kids who either didn't graduate or were getting nothing out of certain classes at a point. I don't blame Shakespeare, teachers or the school and there are always other factors in their lives (or rather lack thereof at home) but having a trade school path would go a long way for some kids. My grandfather said 20+ years ago there needed to be a trade school path or trade training option for some kids starting around ages 16-17 and the last few decades only reinforced his belief to me. It should be acknowledged that there would be a serious negative wage impact that would take place if schools started to turn out into the market significant numbers of individuals trade job ready.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2021 17:02:31 GMT -5
The history of American schooling is an interesting read. I think it is important to have some knowledge of it when discussing an issue like trades training. The unions put up quite a battle against it and for good reason. I think those issues still have merit.
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Post by sesfw on Jul 14, 2021 17:04:57 GMT -5
Just this week I got a perfect resume for a job opening. Six years relevant experience, but only am AA degree, so HR and my boss rejected her. 😡
Oh geez ........ Sounds familiar, unfortunately
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2021 17:05:17 GMT -5
We have a lot fewer people trying to support themselves on teenager jobs if the high schools would stop dry humping the leg of academia, bring back and expand the skilled trades programs, and stop trying to convince kids who are not academically inclined to go to college. And once the number of people willing to work those crap jobs plummets, employers will have no choice but to make those jobs less crappy. There’s always going to be a certain number of people who are not willing or able to get a lucrative college degree. It is much kinder to give them skills employers actually want while they’re still in high school, rather than having them piss away for years pretending to learn Shakespeare. Other Western countries realize this, which is a big part of the reason why they don’t have the levels of poverty we do. I believe the trend of college for everyone is reversing, but it will be a slow and careful dance. They can't just announce one day that everyone who fits a certain criteria can't go to college as it would be racially/ethnically skewed and we don't need that fuel added to the fire. Maybe it is just my state, or maybe even my area. AZ is big on charter schools, so I have seen a lot of creative solutions to education. For example - there is a high school here that prepares students to immediately go into computer science and coding jobs. Hopefully corporate America will respond favorably. Just this week I got a perfect resume for a job opening. Six years relevant experience, but only am AA degree, so HR and my boss rejected her. 😡 While I think there has been an unsustainable push to college, we are still far from everyone going. The only demographic group close to that is Asians. Check out this link- nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpa#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20about%2044%20percent%20of%20high%20school,percent%2C%20were%20enrolled%20in%20college%20in%20October%202019. Plus there is a huge difference between enrolling and actually completing a degree. A fair amount of students bail out in their first year and I think many do not come back.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2021 17:10:23 GMT -5
FWIW - I don't think High Schools are for teaching real job skills. They are for teaching soft skills to make a well rounded person and to give all kids exposure to all categories of things. How would a kid know he likes Shakespeare if he never had to read it (my DH)? Painting, welding, math, computers, etc.? They can learn job skills in trade school or on the job. We joke that even college doesn't teach you the skills we need. They just prove they you know how to learn. I don't disagree but for some kids by the time they're say juniors it's evident that Shakespeare and certain other subjects hold absolutely no interest for them. I knew quite a few kids who either didn't graduate or were getting nothing out of certain classes at a point. I don't blame Shakespeare, teachers or the school and there are always other factors in their lives (or rather lack thereof at home) but having a trade school path would go a long way for some kids. My grandfather said 20+ years ago there needed to be a trade school path or trade training option for some kids starting around ages 16-17 and the last few decades only reinforced his belief to me. And like PMD said this is up to local school districts. To make it true everywhere, we'd have to have more mandates plus the funding to back it up from the federal government. I'd prefer not to go to the fed level on this, especially not now. In NJ school districts are often encompass a single town. Occasionally one might band with another. But it differs based on where you are and the history. Flemington NJ has one of the biggest HSs I have ever seen. When I graduated 600 for a class size was considered big. Flemington was so large the time I went there for a talk, they had 5 vice principals and buildings segregated by grade 9 & 10 then 11 and 12. (The auditorium was in one of the latter.)
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2021 17:17:57 GMT -5
vm.tiktok.com/ZMdXSRVqw/We can fact check this - but a nice summary of things to consider. I think the 10M disabled **might** be overstated for those totally unable to work - but I have no education on that, just wishful thinking. Also, I think there is probably cross over between long-hauler Covid number and retiring boomers, and fear of virus people and women who won't re-enter until care facilities are back to normal. Being in 2 of those categories is highly likely. Are there really that many retiring Boomers anymore? The front end has been through for awhile, 1946ers like Trump, Hillary, and Elizabeth Warren. I was born in 1960, so my official full retirement bennies won't be until 67. I expect I will be working for a very long time unless I do something magical like write my version of Harry Potter or become famous in some way. Most of the people who bailed our healthcare facility during the beginning of Covid skewed below Boomers in age. I don't know who all left, but the over 55 peeps were rare. Most were probably between 20 and 54. Some for health reasons, some to protect current and future babies, and many I think hoping to sit out the pandemic and come back a year or two later when it was safer. Updated November 29, 2019. Baby boomers belong to the generation born between 1946 and 1964. The oldest members of the generation reached retirement age (or 65-years old) in 2011, and the youngest members will reach this milestone in 2029. From a Google search.
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Post by nidena on Jul 14, 2021 17:32:47 GMT -5
FWIW - I don't think High Schools are for teaching real job skills. They are for teaching soft skills to make a well rounded person and to give all kids exposure to all categories of things. How would a kid know he likes Shakespeare if he never had to read it (my DH)? Painting, welding, math, computers, etc.? They can learn job skills in trade school or on the job. We joke that even college doesn't teach you the skills we need. They just prove they you know how to learn. And, in many cases, college just proves that you know how to *memorize* just long enough... The quantity that I remember vs the amount that I was exposed to is drastically different. It's not like any one topic has the repetition of a McDonald's commercial.
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Post by nidena on Jul 14, 2021 17:38:19 GMT -5
From what I've read on here, the general connotation for "trades" would be automotive or construction jobs which got me wondering "Just what IS considered a trade?" Google to the rescue: careerschoolnow.org/colleges/programs
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2021 17:46:39 GMT -5
FWIW - I don't think High Schools are for teaching real job skills. They are for teaching soft skills to make a well rounded person and to give all kids exposure to all categories of things. How would a kid know he likes Shakespeare if he never had to read it (my DH)? Painting, welding, math, computers, etc.? They can learn job skills in trade school or on the job. We joke that even college doesn't teach you the skills we need. They just prove they you know how to learn. And, in many cases, college just proves that you know how to *memorize* just long enough... The quantity that I remember vs the amount that I was exposed to is drastically different. It's not like any one topic has the repetition of a McDonald's commercial. So, the medium is the message — what does it mean? Quite simply, it means that the way that we send and receive information is more important than the information itself. link McLuhan was talking about media but it applies to schooling as well. It isn't the content but accepting or rejecting the process of being "schooled" that is important.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 14, 2021 18:00:13 GMT -5
From what I've read on here, the general connotation for "trades" would be automotive or construction jobs which got me wondering "Just what IS considered a trade?" Google to the rescue: careerschoolnow.org/colleges/programs with a nod to Jeff Foxworthy, you know you work in a trade when: You take a shower after work instead of before. When you have a toolbox in your truck. Others?
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Post by giramomma on Jul 14, 2021 18:04:08 GMT -5
My cousins who spent their lives working in factories doing hard manual labor have had all kinds of injuries. One told me that his body couldn't take it any more, so he retired. People who do the jobs some are extolling as good jobs get old fast. We see many people in their 50's who are worn out. Bad backs, shoulders, need hip and knee replacements, develop lung disease from exposures. The idea that they can make 65, let alone 70(like some people who want to raise the retirement age wisk) is unrealistic. With the decline in pensions, and lack of healthcare in this country, many of these"good" jobs turn out to be a raw deal. I agree. And we are preparing my 17 year old for that. He knows he has enough money in his 529 to get 4 year schooling in his 30s, if he needs to.
He works at a grocery store. He could work there full time and make 15 an hour. Of course it's not a full time, family supporting job allowing his partner to have birth a few kids and SAH. But, for an 18 year old, it's enough to get a roommate and a starter 2 bedroom apartment. When my son turns 20, he'll be there long enough that he'll be vested, should he choose to stay. This past year, we've also repurposed his 529 money, putting it in a Roth instead. So, he'll have about 6-9K saved for retirement, by the end of the year he turns 18. His grands also gave him a taxable account. He's heard for the past 7is years that money is off limits, even when he can legally access it. We talk a ton about how we don't spend our taxable account so we have it for retirement.
He's also been practicing saving 20-25% of his income. He's had a bad boss, and was contemplating quitting and finding a new job. I told the kid: you don't quit a current job unless you've accepted a job offer on a new one. And, he's listening to me.
I've given up trying to teach him how to give a shit bout HS, to be honest. He's not a traditional school kid. He actually did better in the pandemic than during the regular school year. But, he's going to do great with the transition to adulthood, even at 18/19. And I couldn't be prouder.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2021 18:04:12 GMT -5
From what I've read on here, the general connotation for "trades" would be automotive or construction jobs which got me wondering "Just what IS considered a trade?" Google to the rescue: careerschoolnow.org/colleges/programs with a nod to Jeff Foxworthy, you know you work in a trade when: You take a shower after work instead of before. When you have a toolbox in your truck. Others? You know you work in healthcare during a pandemic when you shower after work. Bagged your clothes and shoes before entering your home. Started wearing head wraps or do rags, because Covid. If you are a healthcare worker or a mechanic, you are probably washing your hands very often.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2021 18:12:20 GMT -5
FWIW - I don't think High Schools are for teaching real job skills. They are for teaching soft skills to make a well rounded person and to give all kids exposure to all categories of things. How would a kid know he likes Shakespeare if he never had to read it (my DH)? Painting, welding, math, computers, etc.? They can learn job skills in trade school or on the job. We joke that even college doesn't teach you the skills we need. They just prove they you know how to learn. And, in many cases, college just proves that you know how to *memorize* just long enough... The quantity that I remember vs the amount that I was exposed to is drastically different. It's not like any one topic has the repetition of a McDonald's commercial. I think much depends on where you went and what the schooling was targeted for. I went to Purdue for engineering. Memorization won't save your ass in many undergrad engineering classes unless things have changed drastically since I got my two degrees there. Some profs threw out the rule book on the exam, and you had to adjust and answer. One was so tricky, even his homework required a 4 person or more study group. I often locked into the concept immediately, but what equations to use, etc. Sometimes Luckily one of our group was a genius otherwise I would have probably gotten a D in that class, even studying all the time. (Smarter engineering students fished for an easier Prof, even if it took a few semesters to snag that class on their schedule.) Some things do though require memorization including Chemical engineering. Some reactions you don't want to be looking up in a book when the lab or the factory floor is in crisis. Same with Materials engineering.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 18:14:39 GMT -5
The hourly rate for top of Union grade line workers at my employer make almost 2* what I do with my college degree, plus they have all sorts of extras available to earn even more. It is dangerous work, in the elements, and harder on the body, though. Someone in that position who manages their money well could retire early and do great for themselves. Do I want my kids to go that route? No, not with their tendencies and talents. Youngest wants to be a cook. He's also smart enough that I looked into having him skip a grade in school. I don't want him to pursue cooking as a profession because it involves shit hours and shit pay, and he could do better for himself by making it a hobby, working less hard for more money doing something else. We'll see where he ends up when he's older. Manages their money well AND doesn't have an accident that disables them before they have that nest egg built up AND does not have so much wear and tear that they are in constant pain, they will have done well for themselves. This is so true. For people like me, who work physically demanding jobs and make decent or better money doing it, how your body holds up to the wear and tear is the wild card. No matter how careful you are with your money, with your eye on retirement, the toll that the job takes on your body can mess up your plans. I have coworkers on canes, coworkers that use our rolling equipment to lean on to help them get from here to there within the building, and coworkers that walk in ways that make it obvious something is wrong with them even though they don’t complain. Some of them are eligible for retirement, but don’t retire. I ASSume that financially, they can’t. I also had coworkers that had to leave after decades, but before they were eligible for retirement, because their bodies just wouldn’t allow them to continue that kind of work. We try to warn the younger workers and new hires about taking care of themselves and reducing their risks of injuries, but many of them don’t listen, just like many of us didn’t. 3 of my coworkers retired last month. None of them seem to have serious injuries, they seem to get around just fine, and at least 2 of them are under 60yo, idk about the 3rd. I prefer to see my coworkers leave like that, young enough and healthy enough to hopefully enjoy decades of retirement life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 18:21:25 GMT -5
And, in many cases, college just proves that you know how to *memorize* just long enough... <snip> I think much depends on where you went and what the schooling was targeted for. I went to Purdue for engineering. Memorization won't save your ass in many undergrad engineering classes unless things have changed drastically since I got my two degrees there. <snip> Some things do though require memorization including Chemical engineering. Some reactions you don't want to be looking up in a book when the lab or the factory floor is in crisis. Same with Materials engineering. Totally agreed. I was a Math major. I did a whole lot of proofs. Memorization won't help you much. You can memorize theorems but you need to be able to pull the right ones out of the air and apply them. And, even though Law School, Medical School and accounting require tons of memorization, the good ones use their brains and actually think and solve problems.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 18:23:50 GMT -5
As far as what we used to call “shop” classes and vo-tech when I was in school, a lot of that has disappeared from the local school system.
I know a man that is a couple years older than me and he skipped over all the jobs that many of of us “regular folk” take when we are very young. He took a shop class in school, that sparked his interest in construction. He’s a “hood” kind of person, and was probably what many would consider a “bad” kid, but he’s one of the smartest people I’ve ever known. The interest sparked in his high school shop class led to him becoming a master electrician, licensed plumber, and own his own business using his skills, in his 20’s.
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Post by nidena on Jul 14, 2021 18:29:00 GMT -5
And, in many cases, college just proves that you know how to *memorize* just long enough... The quantity that I remember vs the amount that I was exposed to is drastically different. It's not like any one topic has the repetition of a McDonald's commercial. I think much depends on where you went and what the schooling was targeted for. I went to Purdue for engineering. Memorization won't save your ass in many undergrad engineering classes unless things have changed drastically since I got my two degrees there. Some profs threw out the rule book on the exam, and you had to adjust and answer. One was so tricky, even his homework required a 4 person or more study group. I often locked into the concept immediately, but what equations to use, etc. Sometimes Luckily one of our group was a genius otherwise I would have probably gotten a D in that class, even studying all the time. (Smarter engineering students fished for an easier Prof, even if it took a few semesters to snag that class on their schedule.) Some things do though require memorization including Chemical engineering. Some reactions you don't want to be looking up in a book when the lab or the factory floor is in crisis. Same with Materials engineering. My degree was in Business/Marketing.
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Post by obelisk on Jul 14, 2021 18:56:04 GMT -5
And, in many cases, college just proves that you know how to *memorize* just long enough... The quantity that I remember vs the amount that I was exposed to is drastically different. It's not like any one topic has the repetition of a McDonald's commercial. I think much depends on where you went and what the schooling was targeted for. I went to Purdue for engineering. Memorization won't save your ass in many undergrad engineering classes unless things have changed drastically since I got my two degrees there. Some profs threw out the rule book on the exam, and you had to adjust and answer. One was so tricky, even his homework required a 4 person or more study group. I often locked into the concept immediately, but what equations to use, etc. Sometimes Luckily one of our group was a genius otherwise I would have probably gotten a D in that class, even studying all the time. (Smarter engineering students fished for an easier Prof, even if it took a few semesters to snag that class on their schedule.) Some things do though require memorization including Chemical engineering. Some reactions you don't want to be looking up in a book when the lab or the factory floor is in crisis. Same with Materials engineering.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jul 14, 2021 19:09:28 GMT -5
The hourly rate for top of Union grade line workers at my employer make almost 2* what I do with my college degree, plus they have all sorts of extras available to earn even more. It is dangerous work, in the elements, and harder on the body, though. Someone in that position who manages their money well could retire early and do great for themselves. Do I want my kids to go that route? No, not with their tendencies and talents. Youngest wants to be a cook. He's also smart enough that I looked into having him skip a grade in school. I don't want him to pursue cooking as a profession because it involves shit hours and shit pay, and he could do better for himself by making it a hobby, working less hard for more money doing something else. We'll see where he ends up when he's older. Manages their money well AND doesn't have an accident that disables them before they have that nest egg built up AND does not have so much wear and tear that they are in constant pain, they will have done well for themselves. And some end up buying the small but profitable construction business from the owner when he decides to hang it up. But even at 55 still will go to job sites with his tools just because he loves it.
eta. Did try college but said not for me!
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Post by obelisk on Jul 14, 2021 19:09:48 GMT -5
In advancing in a career in a corporate environment you will need your personality/goals to adjust. As time goes on in your career no one cares about your educational background. If you cannot adapt, you will be left behind. This is true with life adapt or get left behind. Who cares about colleges scores 30+ years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 19:14:17 GMT -5
In advancing in a career in a corporate environment you will need your personality/goals to adjust. As time goes on in your career no one cares about your educational background. If you cannot adapt, you will be left behind. This is true with life adapt or get left behind. Who cares about colleges scores 30+ years ago.
HR cares. I totally agree with you- if the last time you learned anything new was in college you've got a bleak career path ahead of you- but try and get a good job without a college education even if you've got decades of related experience.
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