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Post by mary2029 on Jun 21, 2021 23:32:22 GMT -5
Good luck to them to try to sell office space! My company just has to break leases.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 22, 2021 7:49:40 GMT -5
Yep, my company has decided that since people have worked at home for the most part for the last 1.5 years, they can get rid of (or significantly reduce) office space and for the previous teleworkers, get rid of paying for their internet. Two years ago, they also got rid of the nonbillable charge numbers (so people got paid only if they worked). They have been making money hand over fist... so now they are giving everyone a 1% raise... which is going to be paid by the clients. Sorry... I am not drinking the kool-aid. Ha! My company is trying to offload the building they own now that we've shown we can work remote. 🙄 Before this it varied by dept but mine only allowed a few days per month at home unless there were specific circumstances. But my manager just hired a new employee literally half way across the country so when they sort out our office and ask us to come back my starting offer will be 'as much as the new guy is in the office' but I'll settle for 'whenever I feel like it or when requested up to twice a month'. I love no commute. Plus my ymam is like my 13 year old car will last longer if I keep putting only 5k miles a year on it. We were told last year that we wouldn't be getting any raises because we had to come together as a company to make sacrifices and keep us afloat in these difficult times. Every other month we have a circle jerk meeting so office/corporate can pat themselves on the back. During said meeting for our site we have been told NUMEROUS times in the past year that they are making record sales. Managers on up still got their yearly bonus. Times apparently weren't difficult enough to freeze those. Us peons who have been working on the floor since the February haven't seen one thin dime. Oh but we got a back pack! The type they hand out at events to promote the company complete with their logo on it (DH said that's not a gift that's free advertising). Probably cost the company about $15 each. That was to show us how much we mean to them and how much they appreciate all the hard work we have done. I was so tempted to throw that bag at the HR lady's head. That was one of many "fuck it" moments over the course of the last 18 months.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 22, 2021 11:35:49 GMT -5
I can't get the entire article but the Washington Post has an article that says retail workers are quitting at record rates. They are leaving for better paying jobs. The article said 649,000 such workers quit in April. It's the most in 20 years.
The workers say their life isn't worth a dead end job and they are moving onto better jobs. It also says these were never good jobs to begin with.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 22, 2021 12:38:19 GMT -5
Our current manager just told us that they had to fight "very hard" to get senior management to give us raises this year.
Yeah if you want to convince me there is no room for raises for the peons you really shouldn't brag about record sales, how much shit you are doing to expand and spend $100k to redo the floors in our department. At least make the attempt to look like you aren't rolling in it.
I would not be shocked if we lose even more people here, especially ones that have been working non-stop on site without a raise since 2018. You have to give your employees something besides a cheap back pack for pete's sake.
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Post by Opti on Jun 22, 2021 14:01:13 GMT -5
Ha! My company is trying to offload the building they own now that we've shown we can work remote. 🙄 Before this it varied by dept but mine only allowed a few days per month at home unless there were specific circumstances. But my manager just hired a new employee literally half way across the country so when they sort out our office and ask us to come back my starting offer will be 'as much as the new guy is in the office' but I'll settle for 'whenever I feel like it or when requested up to twice a month'. I love no commute. Plus my ymam is like my 13 year old car will last longer if I keep putting only 5k miles a year on it. We were told last year that we wouldn't be getting any raises because we had to come together as a company to make sacrifices and keep us afloat in these difficult times. Every other month we have a circle jerk meeting so office/corporate can pat themselves on the back. During said meeting for our site we have been told NUMEROUS times in the past year that they are making record sales. Managers on up still got their yearly bonus. Times apparently weren't difficult enough to freeze those. Us peons who have been working on the floor since the February haven't seen one thin dime. Oh but we got a back pack! The type they hand out at events to promote the company complete with their logo on it (DH said that's not a gift that's free advertising). Probably cost the company about $15 each. That was to show us how much we mean to them and how much they appreciate all the hard work we have done. I was so tempted to throw that bag at the HR lady's head. That was one of many "fuck it" moments over the course of the last 18 months. I understand, although I usually don't even get the meetings. #life_essentialpeon
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jun 22, 2021 14:24:55 GMT -5
Our current manager just told us that they had to fight "very hard" to get senior management to give us raises this year. Yeah if you want to convince me there is no room for raises for the peons you really shouldn't brag about record sales, how much shit you are doing to expand and spend $100k to redo the floors in our department. At least make the attempt to look like you aren't rolling in it. I would not be shocked if we lose even more people here, especially ones that have been working non-stop on site without a raise since 2018. You have to give your employees something besides a cheap back pack for pete's sake. You should speak up. What are they going to do, fire you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 15:22:30 GMT -5
This reminds me of a Great Courses lecture series on the Black Death. What I remember is that the disease had killed off so many peasants that the few who remained were able to command much higher wages. I hope we end up with fewer fast food and retail workers, but better-compensated.
Miss Rigby noted that the people who had worked in her restaurant since the beginning of COVID and hung in there were getting paid less than the new hires who were also getting signing bonuses. You wonder why they don't quit and re-apply since apparently there's no vacation or sick pay you accrue after being there awhile.
"Cheap" goods and services always come at a price.
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jun 22, 2021 16:59:21 GMT -5
While nobody but MissR wants to work, I need a second job. That 3 week vacation was expensive and I'm not sure what's happening pay-wise. So I've started an online app for HomeGoods/HomeSense. I used to work at Marshall's so it's not anything I've not done before. I just can't decide what to put down for a preferred schedule. 2 weeknights and 1 weekend day? 2 weeknights and both weekend days? I don't want to burn myself out but A) I'm bored out of my gourd spending every weekend alone. B) I need the money. I've been spending too much and I need to build the savings accounts back up. What to do? What to do?
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jun 22, 2021 17:01:33 GMT -5
Yep, my company has decided that since people have worked at home for the most part for the last 1.5 years, they can get rid of (or significantly reduce) office space and for the previous teleworkers, get rid of paying for their internet. Two years ago, they also got rid of the nonbillable charge numbers (so people got paid only if they worked). They have been making money hand over fist... so now they are giving everyone a 1% raise... which is going to be paid by the clients. Sorry... I am not drinking the kool-aid. Ha! My company is trying to offload the building they own now that we've shown we can work remote. 🙄 Before this it varied by dept but mine only allowed a few days per month at home unless there were specific circumstances. But my manager just hired a new employee literally half way across the country so when they sort out our office and ask us to come back my starting offer will be 'as much as the new guy is in the office' but I'll settle for 'whenever I feel like it or when requested up to twice a month'. I love no commute. Plus my ymam is like my 13 year old car will last longer if I keep putting only 5k miles a year on it. HA! My company just spent a shit ton on all new computers/operating systems and all that. We are never working from home.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 22, 2021 17:27:36 GMT -5
Yep, my company has decided that since people have worked at home for the most part for the last 1.5 years, they can get rid of (or significantly reduce) office space and for the previous teleworkers, get rid of paying for their internet. Two years ago, they also got rid of the nonbillable charge numbers (so people got paid only if they worked). They have been making money hand over fist... so now they are giving everyone a 1% raise... which is going to be paid by the clients. Sorry... I am not drinking the kool-aid. Ha! My company is trying to offload the building they own now that we've shown we can work remote. 🙄 Before this it varied by dept but mine only allowed a few days per month at home unless there were specific circumstances. But my manager just hired a new employee literally half way across the country so when they sort out our office and ask us to come back my starting offer will be 'as much as the new guy is in the office' but I'll settle for 'whenever I feel like it or when requested up to twice a month'. I love no commute. Plus my ymam is like my 13 year old car will last longer if I keep putting only 5k miles a year on it. My sister’s job just released their office space from the lease. They needed to renew and discovered that the employers were just as effective at home. Last month, she had to go into the building (first time since 3/20) to get her personal belongings. They also asked her what she wanted to work better from home, so she got to take her office chair, a second monitor and a bunch of other stuff. She did get a 10% raise too. Not sure how much that had to do with productivity, or how much they saved though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 18:05:53 GMT -5
empress of self-improvement For sure ask for at least one weekend day/evening. Weekends are long and never-ending, as I'm sure you've figured out! I'd say two evenings a week plus the one weekend shift. You're right that you don't want to burn yourself out.
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Post by justme on Jun 22, 2021 18:24:58 GMT -5
Ha! My company is trying to offload the building they own now that we've shown we can work remote. 🙄 Before this it varied by dept but mine only allowed a few days per month at home unless there were specific circumstances. But my manager just hired a new employee literally half way across the country so when they sort out our office and ask us to come back my starting offer will be 'as much as the new guy is in the office' but I'll settle for 'whenever I feel like it or when requested up to twice a month'. I love no commute. Plus my ymam is like my 13 year old car will last longer if I keep putting only 5k miles a year on it. My sister’s job just released their office space from the lease. They needed to renew and discovered that the employers were just as effective at home. Last month, she had to go into the building (first time since 3/20) to get her personal belongings. They also asked her what she wanted to work better from home, so she got to take her office chair, a second monitor and a bunch of other stuff. She did get a 10% raise too. Not sure how much that had to do with productivity, or how much they saved though. We're not going full remote if they sell. But from what I've heard they're not going to have a seat for every person figuring everyone won't be in the office at the same time. So my plan is to go on as little as possible. Most of my work isn't that collaborative - mostly I do the work, get feedback, make adjustments, etc.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 22, 2021 18:33:25 GMT -5
Was talking with my sister at my parents' house on Father's day - her son is working at Tim Hortons. Apparently so many have quit that he's been promoted nearly immediately. So my socially awkward 17yo nephew after a few weeks is making $.20 more per hour pouring coffee than I am after 12 years at the library. And $3 more per hour than my co-workers! DS5 has an interview at the Timmy's near us, tomorrow. I'm curious how much he gets offered. Meanwhile, the board of trustees met last night. I spotted a leftover agenda while I was on lunch break. At the bottom was a last item: think about raises for teen & other clerk. Fiscal year begins 7/1, but the new budget seemed to show a shrinking line for total wages (lost govt funding somewhere due to Covid cuts last year), so...
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Post by gs11rmb on Jun 23, 2021 7:42:21 GMT -5
Was talking with my sister at my parents' house on Father's day - her son is working at Tim Hortons. Apparently so many have quit that he's been promoted nearly immediately. So my socially awkward 17yo nephew after a few weeks is making $.20 more per hour pouring coffee than I am after 12 years at the library. And $3 more per hour than my co-workers! DS5 has an interview at the Timmy's near us, tomorrow. I'm curious how much he gets offered. Meanwhile, the board of trustees met last night. I spotted a leftover agenda while I was on lunch break. At the bottom was a last item: think about raises for teen & other clerk. Fiscal year begins 7/1, but the new budget seemed to show a shrinking line for total wages (lost govt funding somewhere due to Covid cuts last year), so... Why do you stay?
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Post by giramomma on Jun 23, 2021 7:58:30 GMT -5
Was talking with my sister at my parents' house on Father's day - her son is working at Tim Hortons. Apparently so many have quit that he's been promoted nearly immediately. So my socially awkward 17yo nephew after a few weeks is making $.20 more per hour pouring coffee than I am after 12 years at the library. And $3 more per hour than my co-workers! DS5 has an interview at the Timmy's near us, tomorrow. I'm curious how much he gets offered. Meanwhile, the board of trustees met last night. I spotted a leftover agenda while I was on lunch break. At the bottom was a last item: think about raises for teen & other clerk. Fiscal year begins 7/1, but the new budget seemed to show a shrinking line for total wages (lost govt funding somewhere due to Covid cuts last year), so... My son bags groceries. On Sundays he gets almost $20/hour, due to time and a half pay. It's more than my husband makes at his job, per hour. You can't compare public and private sector. Whether or not I get a raise has nothing to do with anything other than political sound bites and lawmakers making sure they stay in power.
Thankfully, we are in a position where we could prioritize benefits over pay. The older I get, the more I appreciate it. And actually, now I think its one of the smartest things I've done.
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Post by mamasita99 on Jun 23, 2021 8:37:21 GMT -5
empress of self-improvement For sure ask for at least one weekend day/evening. Weekends are long and never-ending, as I'm sure you've figured out! I'd say two evenings a week plus the one weekend shift. You're right that you don't want to burn yourself out. My part-time year-round gig starts in a month. I will be making $25 MORE per hour there than my full-time job. You may not mind working part-time if the deal is sweet enough
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 23, 2021 8:54:41 GMT -5
Was talking with my sister at my parents' house on Father's day - her son is working at Tim Hortons. Apparently so many have quit that he's been promoted nearly immediately. So my socially awkward 17yo nephew after a few weeks is making $.20 more per hour pouring coffee than I am after 12 years at the library. And $3 more per hour than my co-workers! DS5 has an interview at the Timmy's near us, tomorrow. I'm curious how much he gets offered. Meanwhile, the board of trustees met last night. I spotted a leftover agenda while I was on lunch break. At the bottom was a last item: think about raises for teen & other clerk. Fiscal year begins 7/1, but the new budget seemed to show a shrinking line for total wages (lost govt funding somewhere due to Covid cuts last year), so... My son bags groceries. On Sundays he gets almost $20/hour, due to time and a half pay. It's more than my husband makes at his job, per hour. You can't compare public and private sector. Whether or not I get a raise has nothing to do with anything other than political sound bites and lawmakers making sure they stay in power.
Thankfully, we are in a position where we could prioritize benefits over pay. The older I get, the more I appreciate it. And actually, now I think its one of the smartest things I've done.
Yeah part of why I stay here despite the BS is the benefits are SUPER cheap. Not as awesome as UNMC's considering I have a $5000 family deductible here but the premiums are on a sliding scale based on pay. There is no where I'd be paying as little as I do for a family of 4 as I do here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 9:13:21 GMT -5
empress of self-improvement For sure ask for at least one weekend day/evening. Weekends are long and never-ending, as I'm sure you've figured out! I'd say two evenings a week plus the one weekend shift. You're right that you don't want to burn yourself out. Lemme amend this so that you'll see it instead of just an ETA. Weekends at home alone are long and never-ending, as I'm sure you've figured out!There. Now there's no doubt about what was meant
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jun 23, 2021 9:50:55 GMT -5
empress of self-improvement For sure ask for at least one weekend day/evening. Weekends are long and never-ending, as I'm sure you've figured out! I'd say two evenings a week plus the one weekend shift. You're right that you don't want to burn yourself out. Lemme amend this so that you'll see it instead of just an ETA. Weekends at home alone are long and never-ending, as I'm sure you've figured out!There. Now there's no doubt about what was meant I found that out the hard way. God they are deadly boring! And expensive!!!
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 23, 2021 9:56:27 GMT -5
Was talking with my sister at my parents' house on Father's day - her son is working at Tim Hortons. Apparently so many have quit that he's been promoted nearly immediately. So my socially awkward 17yo nephew after a few weeks is making $.20 more per hour pouring coffee than I am after 12 years at the library. And $3 more per hour than my co-workers! DS5 has an interview at the Timmy's near us, tomorrow. I'm curious how much he gets offered. Meanwhile, the board of trustees met last night. I spotted a leftover agenda while I was on lunch break. At the bottom was a last item: think about raises for teen & other clerk. Fiscal year begins 7/1, but the new budget seemed to show a shrinking line for total wages (lost govt funding somewhere due to Covid cuts last year), so... Why do you stay? DH and I were discussing this, this morning. Partially, I like the job, very close to home, was flexible when I needed that with lots of younger kids in school years back, really like my co-workers. Partially, it's for our community, to keep a good library running in our village. I was active in the Friends of the Library before I was hired, chaired the annual fundraiser. I know the finances, know we were running mostly on volunteers and donations in the past. But working in the field for more than a decade, it gets old being poorly compensated as the rest of professionals seem to keep getting raises. I'm torn - I'm not really working for "the money", I accept that I'll never get paid tons in this pink collar field, but...it's frustrating (was 50% above minimum wage previously, wages stagnated). Yeah, I could put in an application at the gas station near work - they are hiring! They have a 401k! Do I really want to work there, though? Is that better than the library? The library would be scrambling to replace me, short term. I know I'm not irreplaceable, but the board is slow, ponderous - it took them 6 months to replace the director after she passed away, but we had double the staff then to cover. Now there's 3 of us, and I have triple the seniority(experience) of the others. I'm also only planning to stay a few years more, so leaving just over pay (when pay has always been semi-volunteer wages, anyways) seems silly. It's not like I could get a boost in pay at another library in our system - same funding issues- and I'd have a longer commute. I'm rambling - I know they don't have much room to boost wages, there's no profit in library finances, unlike other industries.
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Post by Opti on Jun 23, 2021 10:26:27 GMT -5
Lemme amend this so that you'll see it instead of just an ETA. Weekends at home alone are long and never-ending, as I'm sure you've figured out!There. Now there's no doubt about what was meant I found that out the hard way. God they are deadly boring! And expensive!!! You can work my shift some day if you want. Its rarely boring lately unless you get lucky. Even on weekends you can get plenty of drama. Deaths, 911, people trying to escape. Trying to find people before your shift ends. Drama from patients. Drama from family members. And of course drama from staff. Sounds enticing doesn't it?
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Post by Opti on Jun 23, 2021 10:30:15 GMT -5
While nobody but MissR wants to work, I need a second job. That 3 week vacation was expensive and I'm not sure what's happening pay-wise. So I've started an online app for HomeGoods/HomeSense. I used to work at Marshall's so it's not anything I've not done before. I just can't decide what to put down for a preferred schedule. 2 weeknights and 1 weekend day? 2 weeknights and both weekend days? I don't want to burn myself out but A) I'm bored out of my gourd spending every weekend alone. B) I need the money. I've been spending too much and I need to build the savings accounts back up. What to do? What to do? What do they usually require? I need to pickup a very PT temp job to defray the cost of flying out for Dad's bday. I'm probably going to start with Apple, as they have a genius's desk I could sit at. Because of my back, I prefer to stand no more than 4 hours in a row. Car is not going up to Chiro due to its issues that need $$$$.
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Post by bean29 on Jun 23, 2021 11:17:09 GMT -5
While nobody but MissR wants to work, I need a second job. That 3 week vacation was expensive and I'm not sure what's happening pay-wise. So I've started an online app for HomeGoods/HomeSense. I used to work at Marshall's so it's not anything I've not done before. I just can't decide what to put down for a preferred schedule. 2 weeknights and 1 weekend day? 2 weeknights and both weekend days? I don't want to burn myself out but A) I'm bored out of my gourd spending every weekend alone. B) I need the money. I've been spending too much and I need to build the savings accounts back up. What to do? What to do? I am not disciplined enough to work retail and not spend my whole check shopping. I also could not be a waitress b/c I have always had bad recall (I would probably also over eat). I would give a try pet sitting though- but I would love to be home alone with nothing to do but read. My work also has not seen raises for about 5 years.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 23, 2021 12:09:38 GMT -5
This just popped in my head recently. Recall that for a long time now, including here on these boards, we have been hearing how raising minimum wage to $15/hr was going to be the downfall of society and that businesses would be utterly ruined if they did that.
Now those very same industries are offering $15/hr AND signing/hiring bonuses. Wouldn't that be a slap in the face if you had been treated like crap all these years while being reminded that you barely deserve the $9-$10/hr they are paying you?
Hell yes I'd be flipping my employer the bird and going to find another job. If you can offer $15/hr to get more workers in the door you could have offered me that when I started.
Kinda like here they are trying to warn the powers that be that you can't keep telling people you won't give them raises but then keep advertising how you are doing record sales. They had $100k in the budget here to do floors that didn't need repaired they "just needed to spend it somewhere".
Already you have to job hop to see any significant increase in your salary, for people my age that's pretty much a given. What you are going to do is motivate your talent to jump ship even sooner than perhaps they intended if you keep it up and all they get for everything they've done is a promotional $15 back pack.
Whether or not we will see long term change remains to be seen. Think employers are testing the water right now and will start to regress once they got people hooked. If people continue to refuse to work those jobs for what they offer if they want to not go the way of horsedrawn carriages they will have to permenately change.
As the boards are so fond of saying: It's a free market. Employees have finally started to recognize our power/part in it. I don't need to kill myself in a $10/hr job so Bezos can take an 11 minute ride into space. Not if right now I can find something better. Sure I might be stuck at say $17/hr awhile but you know if you stayed at your $10/hr job you'd likely be retirement age before you hit that. And you can build further and faster off a $17/hr start salary than you can waiting around for raises to get you there from $10.
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Post by giramomma on Jun 23, 2021 13:19:07 GMT -5
While nobody but MissR wants to work, I need a second job. That 3 week vacation was expensive and I'm not sure what's happening pay-wise. So I've started an online app for HomeGoods/HomeSense. I used to work at Marshall's so it's not anything I've not done before. I just can't decide what to put down for a preferred schedule. 2 weeknights and 1 weekend day? 2 weeknights and both weekend days? I don't want to burn myself out but A) I'm bored out of my gourd spending every weekend alone. B) I need the money. I've been spending too much and I need to build the savings accounts back up. What to do? What to do? My vote is 2 weekend nights and one weekend day. I did 7 days of work, straight for a 9 month stint while I was pregnant with the peanut, took a few months break, and then went back at it when she was a couple months old. That sucked. Even when I worked three jobs (two part time, one full time), I made sure I still had one day a week free. I won't ever go back to working 7 days a week again. I'm too old for that shit.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 23, 2021 13:59:24 GMT -5
Was talking with my sister at my parents' house on Father's day - her son is working at Tim Hortons. Apparently so many have quit that he's been promoted nearly immediately. So my socially awkward 17yo nephew after a few weeks is making $.20 more per hour pouring coffee than I am after 12 years at the library. And $3 more per hour than my co-workers! DS5 has an interview at the Timmy's near us, tomorrow. I'm curious how much he gets offered. Meanwhile, the board of trustees met last night. I spotted a leftover agenda while I was on lunch break. At the bottom was a last item: think about raises for teen & other clerk. Fiscal year begins 7/1, but the new budget seemed to show a shrinking line for total wages (lost govt funding somewhere due to Covid cuts last year), so... My son bags groceries. On Sundays he gets almost $20/hour, due to time and a half pay. It's more than my husband makes at his job, per hour. You can't compare public and private sector. Whether or not I get a raise has nothing to do with anything other than political sound bites and lawmakers making sure they stay in power.
Thankfully, we are in a position where we could prioritize benefits over pay. The older I get, the more I appreciate it. And actually, now I think its one of the smartest things I've done.
I did this too, which is the reason why my medical nightmare did not bankrupt me. My health insurance, disability and sick leave policy kept me afloat. Even after I went on SSDI, my job covered my health insurance AND paid my 403b benefits for the 2 years until I was eligible for Medicare.
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jun 23, 2021 14:00:13 GMT -5
My vote is 2 weekend nights and one weekend day. I did 7 days of work, straight for a 9 month stint while I was pregnant with the peanut, took a few months break, and then went back at it when she was a couple months old. That sucked. Even when I worked three jobs (two part time, one full time), I made sure I still had one day a week free. I won't ever go back to working 7 days a week again. I'm too old for that shit.
[/quote] I hear you. I'm pretty much planning.on doing this only until mid-next year or so. I was denied DH's pension benefits until then. For disability, I have to wait until he would have turned 55. That will be next January. Fuckwits.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 23, 2021 16:48:14 GMT -5
You were denied pension benefits? Why?
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jun 23, 2021 16:55:25 GMT -5
You were denied pension benefits? Why? DH's pension benefits, yes. Apparently since he was getting them through the disability route and not the retired in old age route, I have to wait until he would have been 55 before I can apply for them. He dropped dead at 53. Plus the UFCW Pension fund just basically sucks. And the union sucks even more. Take care of the members, my ass. They threw him under the bus so fast and so furiously, I'm still surprised he didn't have any tire treads on him.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 23, 2021 16:59:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry.
My dad's pension was an exact $500 per month. It didn't change in the 34 years he collected it. His company provided life insurance was $5000. That might have sounded good in the 60's when he signed up, but I'm guessing he never reviewed it. Wouldn't have gotten mom very far.
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