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Post by saveinla on Mar 15, 2021 14:11:02 GMT -5
They never said anything bad about the Queen or her husband. I did not hear anything bad about any specific person - they were just explaining their position.
One thing that stood out for me was that she seemed to become more popular after they came back from a tour and that is when the paparazzi seem to get really bad.
Until then they were ok - that’s just my impression, as someone who is looking at it from a completely different perspective.
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Post by busymom on Mar 15, 2021 14:35:25 GMT -5
I agree with saveinla. The Royal Family seems to love to add people to the family, until of course, like Diana, when they become more popular than the "blood" family, then they love to hate them. Seriously, that is one dysfunctional (but rich) family.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 15, 2021 14:47:00 GMT -5
She accused the royal family of racism. Who is the head of the royal family? Her Royal Highness, the Queen. In any case, who is she to talk? Harry was photographed wearing a swastika.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 15, 2021 21:12:12 GMT -5
Harry received a large cash inheritance from his mother & the Queen Mother. Why should his daddy have to fund his security when he could clearly afford it on his own? Saying over and over and over and over that you want to be financially independent means daddy doesn't pay your bills for you anymore. Careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Even in the UK, the royals are only protected while engaging in official duties, since 2010. Are Harry and Meghan engaging in official royal duties, living in a mansion in California and giving Oprah interviews? No? Then they don't get protection from the Crown. For somebody who has renounced their affiliation with the Royals, they sure seem to want the benefits and perks. Trashing your 95 year old grandmother while her 99 year old husband clings to life in the hospital is unconscionable. except - no one trashed her?
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Post by Opti on Mar 15, 2021 21:28:48 GMT -5
She accused the royal family of racism. Who is the head of the royal family? Her Royal Highness, the Queen. In any case, who is she to talk? Harry was photographed wearing a swastika. Technically she accused someone of racism and she wasn't even party to the original conversation. For her it was hearsay, and Harry declined to say much except to clarify it was not the Queen or Prince Phillip. I guess I'm unusual? When I go to a Thanksgiving dinner and someone acts racist, if I did choose to call them out, I don't accuse the oldest of that branch of the family to be racist as well. Is that really odd? Without further information, like the context of the conversation, I am not 100% convinced whoever said it is racist. On the other hand the tabloids promoting 'Fresh out of Compton' and 'Are we going to have a Gangsta wedding' leaves no doubt for me.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 15, 2021 21:43:44 GMT -5
Even in the UK, the royals are only protected while engaging in official duties, since 2010. Are Harry and Meghan engaging in official royal duties, living in a mansion in California and giving Oprah interviews? No? Then they don't get protection from the Crown. For somebody who has renounced their affiliation with the Royals, they sure seem to want the benefits and perks. Trashing your 95 year old grandmother while her 99 year old husband clings to life in the hospital is unconscionable. except - no one trashed her? and in fact, they made a point to say that their complaints weren't about her.
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Post by justme on Mar 15, 2021 21:58:36 GMT -5
But if their complaints are about the 'company' she leads - then it's still about her. Unless they didn't tell her at all that they were struggling and needed help (while I have no idea how much they did, they did to some extent as they told her they wanted to leave before announcing it) then she was among the ones in the family that didn't get them the support they desired. She was the one that didn't allow their "half in" idea. She's paying for Andrew's security so she could have done the same after Charles cut them off.
While they didn't drag her through the mud or say "the queen did this awful thing" you can't separate their criticism of the firm from her unless you 1) think she has zero power or 2) think they told her nothing.
I'm not saying it was all her, but there's absolutely no way she had nothing to do with how they say they were treated. Either she outright allowed it or she chose not to stop it.
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Post by Opti on Mar 15, 2021 22:23:29 GMT -5
But if their complaints are about the 'company' she leads - then it's still about her. Unless they didn't tell her at all that they were struggling and needed help (while I have no idea how much they did, they did to some extent as they told her they wanted to leave before announcing it) then she was among the ones in the family that didn't get them the support they desired. She was the one that didn't allow their "half in" idea. She's paying for Andrew's security so she could have done the same after Charles cut them off. While they didn't drag her through the mud or say "the queen did this awful thing" you can't separate their criticism of the firm from her unless you 1) think she has zero power or 2) think they told her nothing. I'm not saying it was all her, but there's absolutely no way she had nothing to do with how they say they were treated. Either she outright allowed it or she chose not to stop it. Well there were several complaints, Archie's skin color was one of them and it was unclear what that led to if anything. The mental health lack of help is a big issue, but I think unlikely to be addressed this year or even in the next few years. The interview did not reveal if the Queen was told about Meghan's situation let alone how vaguely or accurately. There's the monarchy and the apparatus around it. It sounded like Meghan tried to engage with parts of the supporting apparatus but it was unclear how she or Harry may have engaged with the family about it. The supporting cast is not small. Employees of the Royal Family are the staff which comprise The Royal Household.
The Royal Household cares for, maintains and ensures the proper functioning of the residences of: Her Majesty; The Prince of Wales; and The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
1,000 people are employed at Buckingham Palace alone. While the exact number of people employed in the Royal Household fluctuates, it is safe to conservatively estimate its number at around 2,500 in total. www.quora.com/How-many-people-does-the-British-royal-family-employ
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Post by Opti on Mar 15, 2021 22:29:08 GMT -5
Slightly OT, employments figures for another long running institution. In the past ten years, both the overall number and the percentage of women working in the Vatican has grown. In 2010, during the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI, a total of 4,053 people worked for the Pope, 697 of whom were women, which is around 17 percent. In 2019, the Holy See and Vatican City together had a total of 4,618 employees, of which 22 percent (1016) were women.www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2020-03/number-of-women-employees-in-the-vatican-on-the-rise.html
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Post by justme on Mar 15, 2021 22:39:27 GMT -5
But if their complaints are about the 'company' she leads - then it's still about her. Unless they didn't tell her at all that they were struggling and needed help (while I have no idea how much they did, they did to some extent as they told her they wanted to leave before announcing it) then she was among the ones in the family that didn't get them the support they desired. She was the one that didn't allow their "half in" idea. She's paying for Andrew's security so she could have done the same after Charles cut them off. While they didn't drag her through the mud or say "the queen did this awful thing" you can't separate their criticism of the firm from her unless you 1) think she has zero power or 2) think they told her nothing. I'm not saying it was all her, but there's absolutely no way she had nothing to do with how they say they were treated. Either she outright allowed it or she chose not to stop it. Well there were several complaints, Archie's skin color was one of them and it was unclear what that led to if anything. The mental health lack of help is a big issue, but I think unlikely to be addressed this year or even in the next few years. The interview did not reveal if the Queen was told about Meghan's situation let alone how vaguely or accurately. There's the monarchy and the apparatus around it. It sounded like Meghan tried to engage with parts of the supporting apparatus but it was unclear how she or Harry may have engaged with the family about it. The supporting cast is not small. Employees of the Royal Family are the staff which comprise The Royal Household.
The Royal Household cares for, maintains and ensures the proper functioning of the residences of: Her Majesty; The Prince of Wales; and The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
1,000 people are employed at Buckingham Palace alone. While the exact number of people employed in the Royal Household fluctuates, it is safe to conservatively estimate its number at around 2,500 in total. www.quora.com/How-many-people-does-the-British-royal-family-employOh come on. What you're trying to say is the equivalent of the CAO (chief accounting officer so not quite CFO which is right next to CEO but damn close) going to HR or having problems with other departments and instead of bringing it up in one of the many meetings they have with the CEO they just throw up their hands and quit instead. H&M weren't low on the totem pole - they're not having to go through dozens of people. And if it was significant enough you can't tell me he doesn't have his grandma's number or a way to ask for a meeting. I'm not ignoring that this is a machine - but they have a direct line to the queen and could have easily brought up these issues with her. Especially since they were big enough to get them to leave. Especially since they say the queen has been nothing but great. So what's the truth? Did they not let her know all of what was going on and just peaced out or not? The queen might not have known everything that was going on - but H&M had an ability to make her aware. So either they refused to do so or she wasn't willing to correct enough of the problems they saw. There's reasons why in companies if there's some bad shit going on it's very rare to not see the CEO go away - because they're still in charge and they're responsible for everything that happens.
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Post by Opti on Mar 15, 2021 22:41:28 GMT -5
Interesting article. www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/03/10/inside-the-firm-how-the-royal-familys-28-billion-money-machine-really-works/?sh=13f50fa82bccThree years ago, Brand Finance, a U.K.-based brand valuation firm, estimated The Firm’s contributions to the media industry at nearly $70 million. That number seems small after Harry and Meghan’s interview was broadcast in more than 60 countries. And even the prince acknowledged that they have watched the acclaimed Netflix series The Crown.
Who gets to be part of The Firm and reap the benefits has become a point of great contention over the years. Following Harry and Meghan’s departure from official duties, the number of full-time senior royals has been winnowed down to eight. Prince Charles, who is next in line for the crown, and his wife, Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall; Prince William, second in line to the throne, and Kate, the Duchess of Cambridge; Princess Anne, the Queen’s daughter; and Prince Edward, the Queen’s youngest son, and his wife, Sophie, Countess of Wessex. According to historian and royal commentator Carolyn Harris, the move to narrow the inner circle is as much about consolidating resources as it is about maintaining reputational control.
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Post by Opti on Mar 15, 2021 22:54:48 GMT -5
Well there were several complaints, Archie's skin color was one of them and it was unclear what that led to if anything. The mental health lack of help is a big issue, but I think unlikely to be addressed this year or even in the next few years. The interview did not reveal if the Queen was told about Meghan's situation let alone how vaguely or accurately. There's the monarchy and the apparatus around it. It sounded like Meghan tried to engage with parts of the supporting apparatus but it was unclear how she or Harry may have engaged with the family about it. The supporting cast is not small. Employees of the Royal Family are the staff which comprise The Royal Household.
The Royal Household cares for, maintains and ensures the proper functioning of the residences of: Her Majesty; The Prince of Wales; and The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
1,000 people are employed at Buckingham Palace alone. While the exact number of people employed in the Royal Household fluctuates, it is safe to conservatively estimate its number at around 2,500 in total. www.quora.com/How-many-people-does-the-British-royal-family-employOh come on. What you're trying to say is the equivalent of the CAO (chief accounting officer so not quite CFO which is right next to CEO but damn close) going to HR or having problems with other departments and instead of bringing it up in one of the many meetings they have with the CEO they just throw up their hands and quit instead. H&M weren't low on the totem pole - they're not having to go through dozens of people. And if it was significant enough you can't tell me he doesn't have his grandma's number or a way to ask for a meeting. I'm not ignoring that this is a machine - but they have a direct line to the queen and could have easily brought up these issues with her. Especially since they were big enough to get them to leave. Especially since they say the queen has been nothing but great. So what's the truth? Did they not let her know all of what was going on and just peaced out or not? The queen might not have known everything that was going on - but H&M had an ability to make her aware. So either they refused to do so or she wasn't willing to correct enough of the problems they saw. There's reasons why in companies if there's some bad shit going on it's very rare to not see the CEO go away - because they're still in charge and they're responsible for everything that happens. I do not know it all works, but its not really like a CEO. There is protocol honed over these thousand years which includes things like the monarch gets to decide who they will allow to talk and on what subjects. In the Princess Anne documentary it went over a few things including that if you meet a royal, the royal must speak to you first before you engage them in conversation. There are gatekeepers too like secretaries and ladies in waiting.
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Post by justme on Mar 15, 2021 23:03:44 GMT -5
Oh come on. What you're trying to say is the equivalent of the CAO (chief accounting officer so not quite CFO which is right next to CEO but damn close) going to HR or having problems with other departments and instead of bringing it up in one of the many meetings they have with the CEO they just throw up their hands and quit instead. H&M weren't low on the totem pole - they're not having to go through dozens of people. And if it was significant enough you can't tell me he doesn't have his grandma's number or a way to ask for a meeting. I'm not ignoring that this is a machine - but they have a direct line to the queen and could have easily brought up these issues with her. Especially since they were big enough to get them to leave. Especially since they say the queen has been nothing but great. So what's the truth? Did they not let her know all of what was going on and just peaced out or not? The queen might not have known everything that was going on - but H&M had an ability to make her aware. So either they refused to do so or she wasn't willing to correct enough of the problems they saw. There's reasons why in companies if there's some bad shit going on it's very rare to not see the CEO go away - because they're still in charge and they're responsible for everything that happens. I do not know it all works, but its not really like a CEO. There is protocol honed over these thousand years which includes things like the monarch gets to decide who they will allow to talk and on what subjects. In the Princess Anne documentary it went over a few things including that if you meet a royal, the royal must speak to you first before you engage them in conversation. There are gatekeepers too like secretaries and ladies in waiting. Can't be that impossible if Harry said that he talked to the queen multiple times about them leaving before they made the announcement. If he could talk to her about that I find it very hard he couldn't talk to her about the stuff that led up to them deciding to leave. Same for his father.
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Post by Opti on Mar 15, 2021 23:21:02 GMT -5
I do not know it all works, but its not really like a CEO. There is protocol honed over these thousand years which includes things like the monarch gets to decide who they will allow to talk and on what subjects. In the Princess Anne documentary it went over a few things including that if you meet a royal, the royal must speak to you first before you engage them in conversation. There are gatekeepers too like secretaries and ladies in waiting. Can't be that impossible if Harry said that he talked to the queen multiple times about them leaving before they made the announcement. If he could talk to her about that I find it very hard he couldn't talk to her about the stuff that led up to them deciding to leave. Same for his father. They are both senior to him in the pecking order. They'd need to be willing to listen even moreso than him being willing to talk. I have no idea how easy or hard it is in general to talk to your parent or grandparent about your spouse's struggle with Depression. Its not like most people really accept that as a real issue or truly understand it. But that's also assuming he even wanted to tell his Grandmother the Queen.
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Post by justme on Mar 15, 2021 23:33:36 GMT -5
Can't be that impossible if Harry said that he talked to the queen multiple times about them leaving before they made the announcement. If he could talk to her about that I find it very hard he couldn't talk to her about the stuff that led up to them deciding to leave. Same for his father. They are both senior to him in the pecking order. They'd need to be willing to listen even moreso than him being willing to talk. I have no idea how easy or hard it is in general to talk to your parent or grandparent about your spouse's struggle with Depression. Its not like most people really accept that as a real issue or truly understand it. But that's also assuming he even wanted to tell his Grandmother the Queen. So if his dad and grandmother didn't listen to him, and he's saying how the firm failed him - how is that NOT an attack on his grandmother? It's not a vicious attack, it's still saying she failed them along with everyone else. You can't say he's attacking the institution but that he wasn't attacking his grandmother. She is the head of the institution - saying it failed them means she, as the head of the institution, failed them. And because they were not worker bees they can't sidestep it by saying she didn't know without first admitting they were stupid and DIDN'T take this up the chain. Considering they mentioned that they told the queen and his dad multiple times before their announcement to leave that they wanted to leave the argument that they couldn't talk to them about difficult things doesn't hold water. If they could say they were leaving they had the ability to talk to them about their issues. Afterall - what's more difficult than talking about leaving something you were born into? If he didn't want to tell his grandmother that he was running into problems IN HER OWN INSTITUTION that that rests on his head and kinda makes him crappy to lash about how he got a lack of support when he didn't do much to ask for it. After HR said we can't help you you're not an employee the next logical step is to bring it to people that also aren't employees but are in charge. If they chose not to do that they can't exactly claim the institution didn't support them when they asked for help.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 16, 2021 13:00:00 GMT -5
Harry was whining that he never rode a bike as a child The lies are piling up.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 16, 2021 13:13:45 GMT -5
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 16, 2021 13:21:18 GMT -5
Oh no's! Neat, dark-washed jeans with heels and a crisp blazer! For shame...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 16, 2021 13:36:04 GMT -5
You know if people hate her that much they could. .. just not watch or follow news about her? It's easy. Change the channel or don't click on the article. There now she has ceased to exist as far as you know, exactly what you claim you want to happen.
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Post by bean29 on Mar 16, 2021 13:37:00 GMT -5
I wonder about "Never Rode a Bike" if it is in the context of someone else talking about having free roam of the neighborhood on a bike vs. riding with your parents or on vacation.
My kids give me a hard time when I tell them we rode our bikes to the local swimming pool every day, and used to ride to the mall or the local zoo. They tell me I never let them do anything like that - I tell them I was raised in a more urban environment and when they were growing up we did not have curbs and sidewalks. I just felt the might easily get hit by a car.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 16, 2021 13:46:05 GMT -5
Oh no's! Neat, dark-washed jeans with heels and a crisp blazer! For shame... She was told NOT to wear jeans. From pantyhose to PDAs, everything she did was a big "Fuck you!" to the royal family. Now she's whining that she's a victim.
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Post by hurley1980 on Mar 16, 2021 13:53:31 GMT -5
Okay we get it! Meghan is a horrible evil human hellbeast and she should be destroyed at all costs! And Harry is a wimpy little man baby that is so whipped by his American wife that he literally can't do anything himself anymore because she is controlling him like a puppet.
Is that about right?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 16, 2021 13:53:43 GMT -5
Meghan said she and Harry were secretly married 3 days before the wedding. They weren't. Everything that comes out of this woman's mouth is a lie. She was a B list actress who wanted more publicity. What could garner more publicity than marrying a prince? Harry was OK with his family before this toxic woman entered his life. Now he's meekly going along with everything she says. She's leading him around by his dick.
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Post by imawino on Mar 16, 2021 13:53:44 GMT -5
She accused the royal family of racism. Who is the head of the royal family? Her Royal Highness, the Queen. In any case, who is she to talk? Harry was photographed wearing a swastika. Are all women responsible for everything the men in their lives do not only while they are together but for over a decade before they meet? Or just Meghan? Part II: So, assuming all us vagina-havers are neither in control of nor responsible for the behavior of the penis-havers (because I'm sick of that narrative) I presume the question would then be "who is HE to talk?" In that case I'd say hopefully he is someone who did something stupid 15 years ago when he was 20 and is now a grown ass man with a wife and a baby and life experience who may have learned a thing or two. I like to think I've learned a thing or two since I was just out of my teens, so I'd start off with giving everyone that same benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 16, 2021 13:55:23 GMT -5
Oh no's! Neat, dark-washed jeans with heels and a crisp blazer! For shame... She was told NOT to wear jeans. From pantyhose to PDAs, everything she did was a big "Fuck you!" to the royal family. Now she's whining that she's a victim. Well then, you and the royals should be happy that she left.
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Post by imawino on Mar 16, 2021 13:56:54 GMT -5
Meghan said she and Harry were secretly married 3 days before the wedding. They weren't. Everything that comes out of this woman's mouth is a lie. She was a B list actress who wanted more publicity. What could garner more publicity than marrying a prince? Harry was OK with his family before this toxic woman entered his life. Now he's meekly going along with everything she says. She's leading him around by his dick. Again, I am made to understand exactly WHY someone would want to leave the family and head back to the US. This much hatred really should be reserved for people who commit human rights atrocities, not someone who once wore jeans or held their husbands hand when their MIL asked them not to.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 16, 2021 14:07:02 GMT -5
She was told NOT to wear jeans. From pantyhose to PDAs, everything she did was a big "Fuck you!" to the royal family. Now she's whining that she's a victim. Well then, you and the royals should be happy that she left. I am. You can keep them both. After the Oprah interview, Meghan thinks she's playing poker with a full hand. What always beats a full hand? A Royal Flush!
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Post by justme on Mar 16, 2021 14:17:28 GMT -5
I'm with Meghan on pantyhose - fuck them. Maybe being tall made them a pita but dear god do I refuse to wear them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 16, 2021 14:25:08 GMT -5
Well then, you and the royals should be happy that she left. I am. You can keep them both. After the Oprah interview, Meghan thinks she's playing poker with a full hand. What beats a full hand? A Royal Flush! Then why are you still carrying on about them? Just don't watch or consume anything they are involved in. I REALLY don't get the hate. I am sure the truth lies somewhere in-between and that's for the royals themselves to sort out not me in the court of public opinion.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 16, 2021 14:31:44 GMT -5
However, she did not break any dress codes. This was Court One, not Center Court. Secondly, other high profile people have worn jeans.
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