Official Trump Lawsuit Watch Thread

[chiver78]

it's fine, I got it. I'll merge. I appreciate the offer to rename your thread, DJ. I like this title better. 

-chiver mod

[djAdvocate]

Mar 3, 2021 19:57:44 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

courtesy of mary:

If you are curious, this website identifies all the pending lawsuits that Trump is now facing and is supposed to be updated routinely:

www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/

* 9 civil
* 3 criminal

since this thread was posted a year ago, we are now up to 20 criminal cases and 21 civil cases.
that is an average of 2.5 cases per month in the last year.  at this rate, he will have over 100 
cases pending by 2024.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 16, 2022 16:37:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 3, 2021 19:57:44 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

courtesy of mary:

If you are curious, this website identifies all the pending lawsuits that Trump is now facing and is supposed to be updated routinely:

www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/

* 9 civil
* 3 criminal

since this thread was posted a year ago, we are now up to 20 criminal cases and 21 civil cases.
that is an average of 2.5 cases per month in the last year.  at this rate, he will have over 100 
cases pending by 2024.

Woo hoodoo! Get the MFKer.

[djAdvocate]

SIDE NOTE: it is hard to imagine that Trump will have time to run for president if he is required to administer 100+ cases.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 16, 2022 16:29:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

PS- i am willing to change the thread name to match yours, if you want.

Fine with the merge, DJ. Add 'Official' to the title though.

[Tennesseer]

Let's hope so. And let's hope there are even worse days ahead for them.

Could Thursday Be the Worst Day Yet for Trump and His Kids?

Former President Donald Trump and two of his adult kids are aggressively trying to avoid explaining—under oath—why so many of their business properties have wildly different values on paper. A New York judge will decide their fate on Thursday.

On Feb. 17, Judge Arthur F. Engoron will hear defense attorneys and investigators spar over whether Don Jr., Ivanka, and their former president father can keep dodging subpoenas recently issued by the New York Attorney General’s office, which is investigating potential bank fraud.

The trio was supposed to sit down with investigators at the New York City office of AG Letitia James during the first week of January. Instead, the civil lawsuit quickly spiraled into a nasty, high-stakes fight with both sides going straight for the proverbial jugular.

On one side is James, a state’s Democratic attorney general elected on the promise she would target the American president over his long history of corrupt behavior. She’s pursuing her own civil lawsuit against Trump while simultaneously teaming up with the Manhattan District Attorney on a similar criminal investigation.

On the other side is Trump, now facing an onslaught of local criminal and civil investigations seeking to hold him accountable now that he’s no longer shielded by the near-total executive power of the presidency—and before he gets a chance to get back into the White House.

In December, the Trump Organization went after James personally, suing her in federal court in an attempt to halt her investigation by claiming her political campaign promises have compromised her.

At the start of the year, Trump and his two adult kids—both executives at the family company—refused to show up to scheduled depositions. They then upped the ante by exposing details of the AG’s investigation in court documents. In those filings, the Trumps are trying to convince the judge that James’ lawsuit is just a thinly veiled attempt at double-dipping, getting them to make statements in a civil case that could be used against them in the separate criminal matter.

In mid-January, James hit back with an unconventional legal maneuver. She dumped reams of new evidence in public court filings that laid out what her investigators have uncovered so far.

Complete article here: Could Thursday Be the Worst Day Yet for Trump and His Kids?

[djAdvocate]

here it come......

[mollyanna58]

Judge orders Trumps to comply with subpoenas.

www.cnbc.com/2022/02/17/judge-will-rule-on-trump-new-york-subpoena-fight-thursday-afternoon.html

[Tennesseer]

Feb 17, 2022 16:25:06 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Judge orders Trumps to comply with subpoenas.

www.cnbc.com/2022/02/17/judge-will-rule-on-trump-new-york-subpoena-fight-thursday-afternoon.html

Good. Their day did get worse. Keep those bad days coming.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 17, 2022 16:25:06 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Judge orders Trumps to comply with subpoenas.

www.cnbc.com/2022/02/17/judge-will-rule-on-trump-new-york-subpoena-fight-thursday-afternoon.html

The New York Bar needs to pull trump's lawyer, Alina Habba's license to practice law.

Habba also argued that Trump is a member of a “protected class,” citing his exercise of political speech as president.

That legal designation is applied to groups who qualify for special protections against discrimination.

“If he was not who he is, she would not be doing this, your honor,” Habba said. “That’s what my argument is.”

But Engoron shot back, “He’s not a protected class.”

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From this article ...

www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-jr-gets-truth-100352998.html

[djAdvocate]

Feb 17, 2022 17:39:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 17, 2022 16:25:06 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Judge orders Trumps to comply with subpoenas.

www.cnbc.com/2022/02/17/judge-will-rule-on-trump-new-york-subpoena-fight-thursday-afternoon.html

The New York Bar needs to pull trump's lawyer, Alina Habba's license to practice law.

Habba also argued that Trump is a member of a “protected class,” citing his exercise of political speech as president.

That legal designation is applied to groups who qualify for special protections against discrimination.

“If he was not who he is, she would not be doing this, your honor,” Habba said. “That’s what my argument is.”

But Engoron shot back, “He’s not a protected class.”

Trump can't possibly use that defense.  he has every advantage.
if anything, everyone who comes up against him should be a protected class.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 17, 2022 18:37:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 17, 2022 17:39:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The New York Bar needs to pull trump's lawyer, Alina Habba's license to practice law.

Trump can't possibly use that defense.  he has every advantage.
if anything, everyone who comes up against him should be a protected class.

I believe the judge(s) shot it down.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 17, 2022 16:25:06 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Judge orders Trumps to comply with subpoenas.

www.cnbc.com/2022/02/17/judge-will-rule-on-trump-new-york-subpoena-fight-thursday-afternoon.html

It's expected if and when Trump senior, trump junior and Ivanka show up to testify under oath, they will all plead the Fifth like their brother Eric did.


Eric Trump Pleaded The Fifth More Than 500 Times In Deposition, Court Filing Says

Eric Trump and Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg invoked their Fifth Amendment rights more than 500 times when questioned by the New York attorney general’s office for its investigation into the company’s finances, according to a Tuesday court filing.

“Eric Trump then invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in response to more than 500 questions over six hours,” the filing says of an Oct. 5, 2020, interview with former President Donald Trump’s son.

Weisselberg reportedly did so during an interview on Sept. 24, 2020: “After answering a number of preliminary questions, Allen Weisselberg invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination to more than 500 questions over five-and-a-half hours.”

New York Attorney General Letitia James’ office argues that these instances demonstrate that the men were aware of potential criminal liability in the case.

Eric Trump Pleaded The Fifth More Than 500 Times In Deposition, Court Filing Says


And who can forget don senior's famous quote about the 5th Amendment:

“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said during a campaign stop in Iowa late last September. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Mike Flynn is pleading the Fifth. Here’s what Trump used to think of that

Words which should haunt the Trump family.

[happyhoix]

Feb 17, 2022 18:37:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 17, 2022 17:39:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The New York Bar needs to pull trump's lawyer, Alina Habba's license to practice law.

Trump can't possibly use that defense.  he has every advantage.
if anything, everyone who comes up against him should be a protected class.

Oh but he’s a beleaguered victim of Presidential Harassment, poor guy. 

I think he really believes that’s an actual thing. 

[happyhoix]

Trump’s lawyer interrupted a hearing about Trump’s finances investigation to ask the AG when she would investigate Hillary Clinton for spying on his campaign.

For the record - per the Durham report, Hillary Clinton did NOT spy on Trump’s campaign, but as Trump gets squeezed in all these lawsuits, he’s ramping up the what-about-ism.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-lawyer-interrupted-a-hearing-about-the-trump-organization-s-finances-to-ask-new-york-s-ag-to-investigate-whether-hillary-clinton-spied-on-trump/ar-AAU02Br

[Tennesseer]

Feb 17, 2022 21:13:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Trump’s lawyer interrupted a hearing about Trump’s finances investigation to ask the AG when she would investigate Hillary Clinton for spying on his campaign.

For the record - per the Durham report, Hillary Clinton did NOT spy on Trump’s campaign, but as Trump gets squeezed in all these lawsuits, he’s ramping up the what-about-ism.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-lawyer-interrupted-a-hearing-about-the-trump-organization-s-finances-to-ask-new-york-s-ag-to-investigate-whether-hillary-clinton-spied-on-trump/ar-AAU02Br

Trump really doesn't surround himself with the smartest lawyers. All their minds seem to wander elsewhere which has nothing to do with the issue(s) before them.

[mollyanna58]

Feb 17, 2022 21:33:33 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 17, 2022 21:13:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Trump really doesn't surround himself with the smartest lawyers. All their minds seem to wander elsewhere which has nothing to do with the issue(s) before them.

Smart ones have noticed that Trump doesn't like to pay his bills.

[Tennesseer]

trump will probably announce a planned pity party at Mar-a-lago and start selling tickets at $350,000 to attend

Trump claims all New York judges hate him after one ruled he and his kids can be deposed in investigation of business practices

A Manhattan judge ruled Trump must sit for a deposition in the NY investigation into the Trump Organization.

In response, Trump claimed that all New York judges hate him.

"I can't get a fair hearing in New York because of the hatred of me by Judges and the judiciary," he said.

Former President Donald Trump claimed that all New York judges hate him after one ruled that he must sit for a deposition for the civil investigation into the Trump Organization's business practices.

A Manhattan judge ruled on Thursday that Trump and two of his adult children, Ivanka and Donald Jr., must sit for a deposition and provide personal business documents in New York Attorney General Letitia James' investigation.

Trump claims all New York judges hate him after one ruled he and his kids can be deposed in investigation of business practices

[djAdvocate]

Feb 17, 2022 19:01:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 17, 2022 16:25:06 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Judge orders Trumps to comply with subpoenas.

www.cnbc.com/2022/02/17/judge-will-rule-on-trump-new-york-subpoena-fight-thursday-afternoon.html

It's expected if and when Trump senior, trump junior and Ivanka show up to testify under oath, they will all plead the Fifth like their brother Eric did.


Eric Trump Pleaded The Fifth More Than 500 Times In Deposition, Court Filing Says

Eric Trump and Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg invoked their Fifth Amendment rights more than 500 times when questioned by the New York attorney general’s office for its investigation into the company’s finances, according to a Tuesday court filing.

“Eric Trump then invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in response to more than 500 questions over six hours,” the filing says of an Oct. 5, 2020, interview with former President Donald Trump’s son.

Weisselberg reportedly did so during an interview on Sept. 24, 2020: “After answering a number of preliminary questions, Allen Weisselberg invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination to more than 500 questions over five-and-a-half hours.”

New York Attorney General Letitia James’ office argues that these instances demonstrate that the men were aware of potential criminal liability in the case.

Eric Trump Pleaded The Fifth More Than 500 Times In Deposition, Court Filing Says


And who can forget don senior's famous quote about the 5th Amendment:

“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said during a campaign stop in Iowa late last September. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Mike Flynn is pleading the Fifth. Here’s what Trump used to think of that

Words which should haunt the Trump family.

imo, they are going to HAVE TO take the 5th.
if they tell the truth, they are going to jail.
if they lie, they will purge themselves.
the only POSSIBILITY of avoiding jail is the 5th.

which, according to Trump, means you are guilty.
nobody should let him walk that back.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 17, 2022 20:35:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Feb 17, 2022 18:37:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Trump can't possibly use that defense.  he has every advantage.
if anything, everyone who comes up against him should be a protected class.

Oh but he’s a beleaguered victim of Presidential Harassment, poor guy. 

I think he really believes that’s an actual thing. 

it is part of the job.  clearly someone like Obama has the fortitude to stand up to it.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 17, 2022 21:13:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Trump’s lawyer interrupted a hearing about Trump’s finances investigation to ask the AG when she would investigate Hillary Clinton for spying on his campaign.

For the record - per the Durham report, Hillary Clinton did NOT spy on Trump’s campaign, but as Trump gets squeezed in all these lawsuits, he’s ramping up the what-about-ism.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-lawyer-interrupted-a-hearing-about-the-trump-organization-s-finances-to-ask-new-york-s-ag-to-investigate-whether-hillary-clinton-spied-on-trump/ar-AAU02Br

even IF it were true, it does not absolve Trump of one IOTA of guilt.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 18, 2022 10:44:52 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Feb 17, 2022 21:33:33 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump really doesn't surround himself with the smartest lawyers. All their minds seem to wander elsewhere which has nothing to do with the issue(s) before them.

Smart ones have noticed that Trump doesn't like to pay his bills.

smart ones and good ones.  you know, the ones that don't need the publicity, because they already have a reputation, and don't need any light shed on them?

then there are the Sydney Powells.  

[djAdvocate]

Feb 18, 2022 11:48:32 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

trump will probably announce a planned pity party at Mar-a-lago and start selling tickets at $350,000 to attend

Trump claims all New York judges hate him after one ruled he and his kids can be deposed in investigation of business practices

A Manhattan judge ruled Trump must sit for a deposition in the NY investigation into the Trump Organization.

In response, Trump claimed that all New York judges hate him.

"I can't get a fair hearing in New York because of the hatred of me by Judges and the judiciary," he said.

Former President Donald Trump claimed that all New York judges hate him after one ruled that he must sit for a deposition for the civil investigation into the Trump Organization's business practices.

A Manhattan judge ruled on Thursday that Trump and two of his adult children, Ivanka and Donald Jr., must sit for a deposition and provide personal business documents in New York Attorney General Letitia James' investigation.

Trump claims all New York judges hate him after one ruled he and his kids can be deposed in investigation of business practices

prosecutors OFTEN hate those they are prosecuting.  but feelings don't actually prevail in jury trials.  facts do.

this is an admission that the facts are not on The Donald's Side.

if he doesn't like his chances in New York, he can ASK for a change of venue, i believe.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 18, 2022 12:29:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 17, 2022 19:01:37 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

It's expected if and when Trump senior, trump junior and Ivanka show up to testify under oath, they will all plead the Fifth like their brother Eric did.


Eric Trump Pleaded The Fifth More Than 500 Times In Deposition, Court Filing Says

Eric Trump and Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg invoked their Fifth Amendment rights more than 500 times when questioned by the New York attorney general’s office for its investigation into the company’s finances, according to a Tuesday court filing.

“Eric Trump then invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in response to more than 500 questions over six hours,” the filing says of an Oct. 5, 2020, interview with former President Donald Trump’s son.

Weisselberg reportedly did so during an interview on Sept. 24, 2020: “After answering a number of preliminary questions, Allen Weisselberg invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination to more than 500 questions over five-and-a-half hours.”

New York Attorney General Letitia James’ office argues that these instances demonstrate that the men were aware of potential criminal liability in the case.

Eric Trump Pleaded The Fifth More Than 500 Times In Deposition, Court Filing Says


And who can forget don senior's famous quote about the 5th Amendment:

“You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said during a campaign stop in Iowa late last September. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Mike Flynn is pleading the Fifth. Here’s what Trump used to think of that

Words which should haunt the Trump family.

imo, they are going to HAVE TO take the 5th.
if they tell the truth, they are going to jail.
if they lie, they will purge themselves.
the only POSSIBILITY of avoiding jail is the 5th.

which, according to Trump, means you are guilty.
nobody should let him walk that back.

Because the NY AG's case would be a civil trial, and if any of the trumps plead the 5th, the jury would be allowed to assume the family is hiding information and can find them guilty.

In criminal cases juries are not allowed to assume a defendent or witness pleading the Fifth are hiding something. They must convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 18, 2022 12:34:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 18, 2022 11:48:32 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

trump will probably announce a planned pity party at Mar-a-lago and start selling tickets at $350,000 to attend

Trump claims all New York judges hate him after one ruled he and his kids can be deposed in investigation of business practices

A Manhattan judge ruled Trump must sit for a deposition in the NY investigation into the Trump Organization.

In response, Trump claimed that all New York judges hate him.

"I can't get a fair hearing in New York because of the hatred of me by Judges and the judiciary," he said.

Former President Donald Trump claimed that all New York judges hate him after one ruled that he must sit for a deposition for the civil investigation into the Trump Organization's business practices.

A Manhattan judge ruled on Thursday that Trump and two of his adult children, Ivanka and Donald Jr., must sit for a deposition and provide personal business documents in New York Attorney General Letitia James' investigation.

Trump claims all New York judges hate him after one ruled he and his kids can be deposed in investigation of business practices

prosecutors OFTEN hate those they are prosecuting.  but feelings don't actually prevail in jury trials.  facts do.

this is an admission that the facts are not on The Donald's Side.

if he doesn't like his chances in New York, he can ASK for a change of venue, i believe.

Both the NY AG case (civil) and the NYC DA case (criminal) are state cases. Not sure they can be moved to different states because the defendant is unhappy.

swamp - can you confirm or deny?

[Tennesseer]

A long list of investigations and lawsuits involving Donald Trump

(CNN)Whether it's efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, handling of sensitive White House documents or the finances of his namesake business, the volume of investigations involving former President Donald Trump is staggering.

Trump is being sued by lawmakers and police officers, his niece Mary Trump, magazine writer E. Jean Carroll, whose rape accusation he denies, and his former attorney Michael Cohen who's already served jail time. The New York state attorney general and Manhattan district attorney are looking at his company. And several congressional committees still want to see his tax returns.
Here are some notable investigations and lawsuits:

A long list of investigations and lawsuits involving Donald Trump

[happyhoix]

Feb 18, 2022 12:31:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 17, 2022 20:35:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Oh but he’s a beleaguered victim of Presidential Harassment, poor guy. 

I think he really believes that’s an actual thing. 

it is part of the job.  clearly someone like Obama has the fortitude to stand up to it.

Well, most presidents haven’t committed a bunch of crimes, and therefore don’t get a lot of lawsuits filed on them.

DAs don’t usually go after innocent people, as a rule.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 18, 2022 12:35:45 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 18, 2022 12:29:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

imo, they are going to HAVE TO take the 5th.
if they tell the truth, they are going to jail.
if they lie, they will purge themselves.
the only POSSIBILITY of avoiding jail is the 5th.

which, according to Trump, means you are guilty.
nobody should let him walk that back.

Because the NY AG's case would be a civil trial, and if any of the trumps plead the 5th, the jury would be allowed to assume the family is hiding information and can find them guilty.

In criminal cases juries are not allowed to assume a defendant or witness pleading the Fifth are hiding something. They must convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

they should play the civil jury Trump telling him that in his own words.  that should seal the deal.