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Post by happyhoix on May 30, 2024 20:08:45 GMT -5
So, curious - with fopa found guilty on 34 counts of committing criminal acts, yet set to be on the ballot as the republican candidate for president cone November, have we now officially reached the status of banana republic or would it be more correct to say that we, as a former resident of the WH so eloquently said, qualify as a "shithole" country.? Note, even though I am preparing to leave the USA that is because of personal reasons and I take very little pleasure in what is happening now. I think we officially become a shit hole country when we elect a guy found guilty of 34 counts of committing criminal acts. We have another path. The guilty guy could get soundly defeated and then prosecuted for his other crimes, and we get to stay a democracy. I tend to alternate, back and forth, between which path we’ll take.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 30, 2024 20:40:47 GMT -5
So, curious - with fopa found guilty on 34 counts of committing criminal acts, yet set to be on the ballot as the republican candidate for president cone November, have we now officially reached the status of banana republic or would it be more correct to say that we, as a former resident of the WH so eloquently said, qualify as a "shithole" country.? Note, even though I am preparing to leave the USA that is because of personal reasons and I take very little pleasure in what is happening now. I think we officially become a shit hole country when we elect a guy found guilty of 34 counts of committing criminal acts. We have another path. The guilty guy could get soundly defeated and then prosecuted for his other crimes, and we get to stay a democracy. I tend to alternate, back and forth, between which path we’ll take. Defeating Fopa and sending him to prison would be a good first step. However, I'm afraid that you are far closer to the precipice of fascism/totalitarianism than you realize. Unless the GOP after his defeat collectively looks at itself and realizes that they need to fundamentally change their path, I am afraid that a Fopa defeat only means a postponement not a solution to the prblem.
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Post by Tiny on May 30, 2024 22:49:22 GMT -5
So, as a convicted Felon, can trump vote in the 2024 election?
If he owns guns can he keep them?
What other things will he not be able to do as a convicted felon?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 1:54:51 GMT -5
The Jury has just asked for a readback of testimony: Pecker's phone call with trump Story rights to Mcdougall Pecker's testimony about the meeting at trump tower Cohen's testimony about the meeting at trump tower. I read this as they are trying to figure out what the underlying crime is. i think they were trying to find the SECOND crime, swamp. the first crime, the proximate crime, is really not even disputed. it is in evidence, and in fact Trump and Co never denied it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 1:58:15 GMT -5
Hopefully the 2 attorneys can see this is a sham trial and convince the others of it. Trump bangs a porn star in 2006. Not illegal. Trump has paid people for their silence in the past. Not illegal. Trump runs for president in 2016. Trump gets some bad press about his prior bad acts/payments to get people to shut up. Trump worries this will affect the election. in 2016 there is a meeting about how to stop these stories from coming up. There are conversations, emails, and texts that tie trump to this meeting. Trump has his cronies pay money to the porn star he banged in 2006. Not a crime if he reported the payments as campaign expenses. Trump has his cronies falsify his business records to hide these payments to shut up the porn star to change the outcome of the election. We've false business records to cover up campaign finance fraud. There are your felonies. this actually reminds me of the Lewinsky case. if Clinton had said on the stand "yeah, i banged her, and it was great", no crime there. it was perjury that got him. in the end, it is always hubris that gets the HAM.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 2:00:46 GMT -5
What’s the possible penalty for this? 68 years behind bars. but it is more likely he will either be sentenced to 4 years or probation.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 2:03:57 GMT -5
I think it could take up to 2 years for his sentencing after appeals. I wonder if the GOP will continue paying his legal fees? The poor billionaire has no money? sure. but the appeals will fail, and it won't change his conviction during appeals. he will be a convicted felon through the election cycle. let the games begin!
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 2:05:11 GMT -5
Justice is finally served. All those law and order conservatives are now going to turn on him, right, because nobody who is innocent is ever wrongly convicted. The Republican Party is going to nominate a convicted FELON as its candidate. How far we have fallen. They won't turn on him over this. Many think like Rip and will not believe this was a just verdict. it depends on who you mean by "them". since i was right with the last prediction i will predict this: he will lose by 1-10M more votes than last time.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 2:07:48 GMT -5
They won't turn on him over this. Many think like Rip and will not believe this was a just verdict. Yup. Already have FB friends posting such statement. the cultists will not leave the cult. but i would suggest that those NOT in the cult that voted for him will be impacted by this.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 2:10:36 GMT -5
So, curious - with fopa found guilty on 34 counts of committing criminal acts, yet set to be on the ballot as the republican candidate for president cone November, have we now officially reached the status of banana republic or would it be more correct to say that we, as a former resident of the WH so eloquently said, qualify as a "shithole" country.? Note, even though I am preparing to leave the USA that is because of personal reasons and I take very little pleasure in what is happening now. i was with you until that final part. i take a lot of solace in the fact that this was not a hung jury. that shows that the process works, and the cultists were removed from the jury pool. it also shows that people have enough respect for the law to respect the process. in other words, at least at the state level, the courts are still working.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 2:11:51 GMT -5
So, curious - with fopa found guilty on 34 counts of committing criminal acts, yet set to be on the ballot as the republican candidate for president cone November, have we now officially reached the status of banana republic or would it be more correct to say that we, as a former resident of the WH so eloquently said, qualify as a "shithole" country.? Note, even though I am preparing to leave the USA that is because of personal reasons and I take very little pleasure in what is happening now. I think we officially become a shit hole country when we elect a guy found guilty of 34 counts of committing criminal acts. We have another path. The guilty guy could get soundly defeated and then prosecuted for his other crimes, and we get to stay a democracy. I tend to alternate, back and forth, between which path we’ll take. now, THIS/\, i agree completely with.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 2:13:53 GMT -5
So, as a convicted Felon, can trump vote in the 2024 election? If he owns guns can he keep them? What other things will he not be able to do as a convicted felon? that has already been ruled on. he can vote so long as he is not behind bars.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 31, 2024 6:57:22 GMT -5
Donald Trump, felon. Has a nice ring to it, don’t you think?
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Post by happyhoix on May 31, 2024 7:12:04 GMT -5
So, as a convicted Felon, can trump vote in the 2024 election? If he owns guns can he keep them? What other things will he not be able to do as a convicted felon? A convicted felon can’t join the military. Does that mean he couldn’t be the Supreme commander, if he gets elected?
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 31, 2024 7:32:32 GMT -5
Yup. Already have FB friends posting such statement. the cultists will not leave the cult. but i would suggest that those NOT in the cult that voted for him will be impacted by this. I don't know. I'm a little worried. There's a lot of "anyone but Biden" where I am. A lot of people that say they don't like Trump, and wish he would keep his mouth shut, but he'll get things done and whip this country back into shape. I have 2 sitting right near me at work. Smart guys, not extremists by any stretch, but 100% without a doubt voting for Trump in November.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 7:51:28 GMT -5
the cultists will not leave the cult. but i would suggest that those NOT in the cult that voted for him will be impacted by this. I don't know. I'm a little worried. There's a lot of "anyone but Biden" where I am. A lot of people that say they don't like Trump, and wish he would keep his mouth shut, but he'll get things done and whip this country back into shape. I have 2 sitting right near me at work. Smart guys, not extremists by any stretch, but 100% without a doubt voting for Trump in November. that has been the case for four years, now. and yet, Biden is in the office, and he is in good position to win again. i don't think to much about the Never Biden and Never Trump folks. but there is another 40% in the middle, and i think that MANY are just now starting to pay attention.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 7:53:09 GMT -5
just to be clear, i think this case, and the result, was CRUCIAL to Biden's chances. if this had been a hung jury, or Trump was acquitted, i would NOT be feeling very good about Biden's chances.
in a purely political world, this would have been a terrible risk to take. fortunately, the judiciary is not particularly partisan.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 31, 2024 8:57:53 GMT -5
Even if he doesn't serve I imagine it really sticks up Trump's craw that he got convicted. This is a man that squirmed through not one but TWO impeachments. I hope the stress and anger over knowing he fucking lost eat him alive. Capone ended up being caught on tax evasion. John Edwards got himself caught paying for his mistress's hair cuts. Clinton lied instead of just saying "Yeah I banged her, what president hasn't banged an intern?" It seems like eventually they all fly too high in the sky and the wax melts off their wings. Even if he doesn't serve time I feel that the fact he was convicted means on some level democracy and our justice system is still working. And on another note I would REALLY like to stop living through historic events. Especially crappy ones like the first former president and possible Republican nominee to be a convicted of a crime. Can I have a positive historic event before I die PLEASE?
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Post by billisonboard on May 31, 2024 9:24:24 GMT -5
They won't turn on him over this. Many think like Rip and will not believe this was a just verdict. it depends on who you mean by "them". since i was right with the last prediction i will predict this: he will lose by 1-10M more votes than last time. While the margin in the national popular vote might be greater, Trump could still win again in the Electoral College.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 31, 2024 12:17:58 GMT -5
Author unknown. Often attributed to Albert Einstein but there is no record he said or wrote it. But still a good message. 'The Only Thing More Dangerous than Ignorance Is Arrogance'
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Post by Icelandic Woman on May 31, 2024 12:31:45 GMT -5
WooHoo!!! GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! X34! Justice Baby!
I jumped up and down and clapped yesterday once the first guilty was read. Convicted Felon has such a nice ring to it.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 31, 2024 13:24:33 GMT -5
So, curious - with fopa found guilty on 34 counts of committing criminal acts, yet set to be on the ballot as the republican candidate for president cone November, have we now officially reached the status of banana republic or would it be more correct to say that we, as a former resident of the WH so eloquently said, qualify as a "shithole" country.? Note, even though I am preparing to leave the USA that is because of personal reasons and I take very little pleasure in what is happening now. i was with you until that final part.. I think you misunderstood me. I take great pleasure in what is happening to Fopa and his cult. It is what is happening to this country. The total destruction of what was and what it could have been. It never was perfect (no country ever is or will be) but it is losing its soul at an ever increasing pace. Like a child that dies before it reaches its full potential this embrace of totalitarianism/fascism will lead it to be just another footnote in the book the Rise and Fall of Empires. And THAT makes me sad - the could-have-beens. As for Fopa - there is no punishment strong enough for what his petty selfishness has caused. But I hope that this, and all those other court cases still in his future, will be the death by a thousand cuts for him. It is the best we can reasonably get. And it helps that even if he is elected <shudder> he will NOT be able to pardon himself from a conviction in a state court.
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Post by laterbloomer on May 31, 2024 13:28:32 GMT -5
They won't turn on him over this. Many think like Rip and will not believe this was a just verdict. it depends on who you mean by "them". since i was right with the last prediction i will predict this: he will lose by 1-10M more votes than last time. I can't say enough how I hope you are right. I think there is a good chance MAGA would really star a civil war over it, but it would mean the good guys haven't given up.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 14:04:49 GMT -5
it depends on who you mean by "them". since i was right with the last prediction i will predict this: he will lose by 1-10M more votes than last time. I can't say enough how I hope you are right. I think there is a good chance MAGA would really star a civil war over it, but it would mean the good guys haven't given up. of course! and as long as the NOT-MAGA doesn't get caught up in it, i think that ALSO works against them.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 31, 2024 14:06:19 GMT -5
i was with you until that final part.. I think you misunderstood me. I take great pleasure in what is happening to Fopa and his cult. It is what is happening to this country. The total destruction of what was and what it could have been. It never was perfect (no country ever is or will be) but it is losing its soul at an ever increasing pace. Like a child that dies before it reaches its full potential this embrace of totalitarianism/fascism will lead it to be just another footnote in the book the Rise and Fall of Empires. And THAT makes me sad - the could-have-beens. As for Fopa - there is no punishment strong enough for what his petty selfishness has caused. But I hope that this, and all those other court cases still in his future, will be the death by a thousand cuts for him. It is the best we can reasonably get. And it helps that even if he is elected <shudder> he will NOT be able to pardon himself from a conviction in a state court. i think we kind of half understand each other, here. but hell, it is 10PM here! it might be more! i am tired. g'night.
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