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Post by Opti on Apr 23, 2021 10:12:36 GMT -5
One additional fact. This is not the same virus that was circulating last spring. More contagious variants are driving the numbers. Imagine if these variants were here one year ago. The disaster would have been catastrophic. India may show us how bad I'm watching India and Turkey right now. I expect both to tamp it down but we will see how well.
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Post by Opti on Apr 23, 2021 11:00:40 GMT -5
I think vaccinations have changed who is getting Covid and dying from it, but if you look at NJ's graph of daily cases we are not much better than the winter holiday peaks and currently as bad off as we were last year this time except our death rate is lower. This is in spite of having one of the highest vaccination rates in the US as a state. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-jersey/Of course each state is different, and North Dakota who is only slightly better vaccination-wise than NJ has a much nicer curve of case counts. I don't know if part of that is population density or NJ having more exhaustion with Covid restrictions or what. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/north-dakota/Nationwide, hospitalizations in the over 65 group are down 80. Their rate of hospitalization is now the same as the 55-64 yo. Cases may have gone up, but deaths have not followed as closely as they did earlier in the pandemic. Cases in nursing homes are also down significantly. And the vaccines are fabulously effective in the real world. There are regional variations sure, some of which are weather related, lifting of restrictions, and places that didn’t spike as badly this winter seeing rising cases. But the peaks we say last spring and winter will be blunted. We are not seeing the geometric growth we have seen earlier. Pandemics typical ebb and flow with case rates for a myriad of reasons related to the virus and behavior. As I said, cases will plateau at a lower place than they would without vaccination, and will slowly decline with more people receiving the vaccine. The main driver of how long that takes will be vaccination hesitancy Cases in nursing homes should be way down in our area. After all, who is there left to kill that wasn't exposed and/or is not vaccinated? That said, we have not been 100% Covid free on new admissions to the facility who get rapid tested on their way in. Our cases have dropped, but even with that I only see Michigan doing worse than we are.
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Post by teen persuasion on Apr 23, 2021 12:12:24 GMT -5
One additional fact. This is not the same virus that was circulating last spring. More contagious variants are driving the numbers. Imagine if these variants were here one year ago. The disaster would have been catastrophic. India may show us how bad This seems to be driving the increasing numbers in my region, even as the state-wide numbers are improving. The UK variant is dominant, and it seems to infect the younger population more readily. Since most school age kids can't get vaccinated yet, and slightly older teens/twenties think they are invincible so are not in a hurry to get the vaccine, those age groups are the ones getting sick with Covid in the largest numbers now. It's not truly from reopening schools here - we've been doing hybrid 2 days a week since September. There's been little spread in schools; the kids that get sick are getting it from outside of school - the adults in their lives bring it home, or increasingly from sports now that they've let that start up despite the health department's warnings. But with rising numbers, and FB parent groups pushing/suing to get schools fully open ASAP, it's just a matter of time before we DO get school spread. I *just* got a robocall that there's a positive case in the MS and a class has to quarantine. I think the district swapped ES and MS to 4 days a week in person since the Spring break, trying to keep kids in a closed pod. IDK, my kid is in HS, and they can't do 4 days a week in person in HS, too much mixing with schedules. Wait, urrg, he rides the bus with the MS kids, or did in normal years. I'm not sure how they doubled the MS kids being transported w/o changing the bus seating density, which is half the point of hybrid - 2 different cohorts attending on different days. Hmmm...
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 23, 2021 12:25:48 GMT -5
My school district is having a vax clinic for 16-18 year olds at the high school on Monday. I can't begin to say how awesome this is. They are also going to vax any adults accompanying the teens that want the shot.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 23, 2021 14:27:25 GMT -5
Nationwide, hospitalizations in the over 65 group are down 80. Their rate of hospitalization is now the same as the 55-64 yo. Cases may have gone up, but deaths have not followed as closely as they did earlier in the pandemic. Cases in nursing homes are also down significantly. And the vaccines are fabulously effective in the real world. There are regional variations sure, some of which are weather related, lifting of restrictions, and places that didn’t spike as badly this winter seeing rising cases. But the peaks we say last spring and winter will be blunted. We are not seeing the geometric growth we have seen earlier. Pandemics typical ebb and flow with case rates for a myriad of reasons related to the virus and behavior. As I said, cases will plateau at a lower place than they would without vaccination, and will slowly decline with more people receiving the vaccine. The main driver of how long that takes will be vaccination hesitancy Cases in nursing homes should be way down in our area. After all, who is there left to kill that wasn't exposed and/or is not vaccinated?That said, we have not been 100% Covid free on new admissions to the facility who get rapid tested on their way in. Our cases have dropped, but even with that I only see Michigan doing worse than we are. Some staff in nursing homes refused to get vaccinated. There is a recent outbreak where that one person came in and infected 19 residents, a whole slew of staff....and one resident died. Older people cannot protect themselves immunologically as well as younger people, so the vaccine isn’t as effective. So despite all residents being vaccinated in nursing homes, they are STILL vulnerable. Not as much as they were a year ago, but their risk vaccinated is still greater than a 22 year old unvaccinated staff member.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 23, 2021 14:34:08 GMT -5
TD and I got Pfizer #2 this morning. The pharmacist who vaccinated us remembered us from 3 weeks ago. Not sure what we did to stand out.
Stopped at a rest area on the way to Everett and got hit by a used syringe and needle stashed behind the toilet paper roll. Pulled off paper, and the syringe bounced off my leg. Syringes was well used, the number markings were wearing off, so not likely used by a diabetic. Picked it up with a wad of toilet paper to toss, no sharps containers and no garbage cans around. Finally found a trash container near a picnic table to toss it into, not optimal but wasn’t about to get back onto the highway with a used syringe and needle in my car.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 14:56:57 GMT -5
Some staff in nursing homes refused to get vaccinated. There is a recent outbreak where that one person came in and infected 19 residents, a whole slew of staff....and one resident died. Older people cannot protect themselves immunologically as well as younger people, so the vaccine isn’t as effective. So despite all residents being vaccinated in nursing homes, they are STILL vulnerable. Not as much as they were a year ago, but their risk vaccinated is still greater than a 22 year old unvaccinated staff member. They had a case of COVID in a staff member in Dad's LTC facility. Same deal- they refused vaccination and then got COVID. The residents had been vaccinated, including Dad. Still, it meant postponing allowing face-to-face visits, which hadn't been permitted for over a year anyway. It's really frustrating my siblings in the area.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 23, 2021 15:00:58 GMT -5
Don’t worry. Senator Ron Johnson was interviewed and didn’t see why we need to encourage everyone to be vaccinated. It should be there personal choice. They don’t put anyone in danger. Do republicans even pretend to care about anyone else anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 15:17:16 GMT -5
Don’t worry. Senator Ron Johnson was interviewed and didn’t see why we need to encourage everyone to be vaccinated. It should be there personal choice. They don’t put anyone in danger. Do republicans even pretend to care about anyone else anymore? Nope, they don't!
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Post by haapai on Apr 23, 2021 15:21:11 GMT -5
Second Pfizer shot got me the next day. Woke up and shot an email off to HR and all of a sudden my eyelids felt like they wieghed a million pounds. Could not keep them open. Made it back to bed, slept a couple of hours before I could not escape the bathroom urge - sat there for a few minutes after I was done, debating if I wanted to try to make it back to the bed. I did, and was ok by noon, but 3:30 had overwhelming need for another nap - only 30 minutes that time. Then around 8PM I had a low grade fever, gave up and went to bed. It broke a few hours later and today I feel fine (so far). I almost giggled when I read this. This is so close to the script that my dad followed whenever he came down with malaria It's also similar ti my own memories of malaria. You're lying in bed, trying to gain strength and remember what you ate last until the need to urinate or defecate gets you upright, and then you (finally, belatedly) realize that something is definitely off. You are incredibly weak. You struggle to get to the toilet and back to your bed and don't know whether to be grateful that nobody has seen your weakness or be scared out of your mind.
Please forgive me for going so far off-topic. Being that weak without an easy explanation is scary. It's less scary after you have survived (and remembered) it once, but it's really scary if it's new to you and the folks around you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 15:22:53 GMT -5
Houston Methodist has again advised that they will mandate vaccinations for all staff with a June 7 deadline, stating that patient safety and trust is their 1st priority. A group of nurses is circulating a petition but I don't think they have a chance under the law. They are requesting postponement until "further research" is done and full FDA approval granted vs. current EUA.
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Post by Opti on Apr 23, 2021 15:45:19 GMT -5
Cases in nursing homes should be way down in our area. After all, who is there left to kill that wasn't exposed and/or is not vaccinated?That said, we have not been 100% Covid free on new admissions to the facility who get rapid tested on their way in. Our cases have dropped, but even with that I only see Michigan doing worse than we are. Some staff in nursing homes refused to get vaccinated. There is a recent outbreak where that one person came in and infected 19 residents, a whole slew of staff....and one resident died. Older people cannot protect themselves immunologically as well as younger people, so the vaccine isn’t as effective. So despite all residents being vaccinated in nursing homes, they are STILL vulnerable. Not as much as they were a year ago, but their risk vaccinated is still greater than a 22 year old unvaccinated staff member. Sorry to hear that. Yes not all staff get vaccinated. We did have a scare but the person was not nursing staff. After a week of testing, indoor visits resumed and no one else caught it. We don't have long term skilled nursing which are people who generally have significant medical issues. The only long term at my facility is assisted living with a lower level of nursing care. If you have a link to that story I'd like it. I get concerned that many family members and visitors see the vaccine as a magic bullet, and not just a tool that isn't 100%.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 23, 2021 16:24:53 GMT -5
Some staff in nursing homes refused to get vaccinated. There is a recent outbreak where that one person came in and infected 19 residents, a whole slew of staff....and one resident died. Older people cannot protect themselves immunologically as well as younger people, so the vaccine isn’t as effective. So despite all residents being vaccinated in nursing homes, they are STILL vulnerable. Not as much as they were a year ago, but their risk vaccinated is still greater than a 22 year old unvaccinated staff member. Sorry to hear that. Yes not all staff get vaccinated. We did have a scare but the person was not nursing staff. After a week of testing, indoor visits resumed and no one else caught it. We don't have long term skilled nursing which are people who generally have significant medical issues. The only long term at my facility is assisted living with a lower level of nursing care. If you have a link to that story I'd like it. I get concerned that many family members and visitors see the vaccine as a magic bullet, and not just a tool that isn't 100%. www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/health/vaccine-nursing-homes-infections.html
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Post by Opti on Apr 23, 2021 17:12:20 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that. Yes not all staff get vaccinated. We did have a scare but the person was not nursing staff. After a week of testing, indoor visits resumed and no one else caught it. We don't have long term skilled nursing which are people who generally have significant medical issues. The only long term at my facility is assisted living with a lower level of nursing care. If you have a link to that story I'd like it. I get concerned that many family members and visitors see the vaccine as a magic bullet, and not just a tool that isn't 100%. www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/health/vaccine-nursing-homes-infections.htmlInteresting. If 90% of the 83 residents being vaccinated translates to 8 unvaccinated residents, it means all the unvaccinated residents caught it. I think the staff vaccination rate is way north of 50% at work. If 2 of those unvaccinated residents died, that is a 25% mortality rate which seems high for this stage in the pandemic for unvaccinated residents. It would be interesting to know whether any of those vaccinated individuals were Covid recovered.
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Post by Opti on Apr 23, 2021 17:18:20 GMT -5
Here's an interesting URL I found although the Kentucky data is sketchier than a few other states I looked at. covidtracking.com/data/state/kentucky#-85.3021,37.5347,5 NJ had the bulk of nursing home deaths last year. The data set stops at March 7th and sadly I did not discover if there is a way to determine how many facilities in total are in each state, it just tracks those who have had a Covid case or death.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 23, 2021 17:26:08 GMT -5
Mortality has not changed significantly over the last 6 months. The available treatments have a modest effect. A mortality of 25% in medically fragile people is unsurprising
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Post by Opti on Apr 23, 2021 17:33:43 GMT -5
Mortality has not changed significantly over the last 6 months. The available treatments have a modest effect. A mortality of 25% in medically fragile people is unsurprising Good to know. Playing around with that link and NJ lumps AL and SNFs together for their totals. In NY, the average number of deaths for an AL facility was under 6, for the SNFs I think it was 24.5 . Nursing level makes a difference and I think prior exposure probably does as well.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 23, 2021 17:39:12 GMT -5
Second Pfizer shot got me the next day. Woke up and shot an email off to HR and all of a sudden my eyelids felt like they wieghed a million pounds. Could not keep them open. Made it back to bed, slept a couple of hours before I could not escape the bathroom urge - sat there for a few minutes after I was done, debating if I wanted to try to make it back to the bed. I did, and was ok by noon, but 3:30 had overwhelming need for another nap - only 30 minutes that time. Then around 8PM I had a low grade fever, gave up and went to bed. It broke a few hours later and today I feel fine (so far). I almost giggled when I read this. This is so close to the script that my dad followed whenever he came down with malaria It's also similar ti my own memories of malaria. You're lying in bed, trying to gain strength and remember what you ate last until the need to urinate or defecate gets you upright, and then you (finally, belatedly) realize that something is definitely off. You are incredibly weak. You struggle to get to the toilet and back to your bed and don't know whether to be grateful that nobody has seen your weakness or be scared out of your mind.
Please forgive me for going so far off-topic. Being that weak without an easy explanation is scary. It's less scary after you have survived (and remembered) it once, but it's really scary if it's new to you and the folks around you.
New malaria vaccine being tested, seems promising www.cnn.com/2021/04/23/uk/malaria-vaccine-oxford-intl-gbr/index.html
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Post by Opti on Apr 23, 2021 19:02:00 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that. Yes not all staff get vaccinated. We did have a scare but the person was not nursing staff. After a week of testing, indoor visits resumed and no one else caught it. We don't have long term skilled nursing which are people who generally have significant medical issues. The only long term at my facility is assisted living with a lower level of nursing care. If you have a link to that story I'd like it. I get concerned that many family members and visitors see the vaccine as a magic bullet, and not just a tool that isn't 100%. www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/health/vaccine-nursing-homes-infections.htmlI do think that KY nursing home story though is pretty pro vaccine based on results, especially if all residents were exposed. If that's true, the unvaccinated had a 25% chance of dying, but the vaccinated residents had a 24% chance of getting that round of Covid. Of those vaccinated residents who did catch it, less than 6% died.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 23, 2021 19:42:17 GMT -5
Got my second shot today. We'll see how I feel tomorrow. Nurse did say if I felt as crummy as I did after the first one it is possible this one knocks me on my booty.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 23, 2021 20:05:47 GMT -5
First college in my state has decided that all students need to have proof of vaccination before being allowed on campus this Fall. I wonder if others will follow suit?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 23, 2021 20:08:52 GMT -5
Some here have decided to do that. So far all are private schools.
The 3 state schools have to deal with the GOP Board of Regents so probably won't require it.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 23, 2021 20:17:32 GMT -5
This is private too. Macalester.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 23, 2021 21:24:43 GMT -5
All UC ad Cal State universities have a requirement for students to attend in fall, with some exceptions based on medical or religious inability to get vaccinated. I agree with any exception for medical reasons. Religious... not so much. You don't want a vaccine - you don't get to play is my opinion.
Stanford is expected to announce the same rules pretty soon.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Apr 24, 2021 6:05:17 GMT -5
Don’t worry. Senator Ron Johnson was interviewed and didn’t see why we need to encourage everyone to be vaccinated. It should be there personal choice. They don’t put anyone in danger. Do republicans even pretend to care about anyone else anymore? He is the biggest dumb @ss from WI. But no, republicans don't care about anyone but themselves
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 24, 2021 8:16:32 GMT -5
I ache everywhere and I'm freaking hot. Can barely keep my eyes open.
Gwen is going to be disappointed. She saw the conspiracy that getting the shot then using 5G turns you into a zombie.
I'm on Cricket's 5G right now and have no desire to eat brains. She said they claim you need 30 minutes to activate so if at 9 am I don't check in. 🤣
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 24, 2021 8:49:01 GMT -5
I ache everywhere and I'm freaking hot. Can barely keep my eyes open. Gwen is going to be disappointed. She saw the conspiracy that getting the shot then using 5G turns you into a zombie. I'm on Cricket's 5G right now and have no desire to eat brains. She said they claim you need 30 minutes to activate so if at 9 am I don't check in. 🤣 You should put on some extra light make-up, and smudge some dark eyeliner under your eyes and slightly cock your head - not full on Hollywood zombie - but just a little.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 24, 2021 9:08:38 GMT -5
Don’t worry. Senator Ron Johnson was interviewed and didn’t see why we need to encourage everyone to be vaccinated. It should be there personal choice. They don’t put anyone in danger. Do republicans even pretend to care about anyone else anymore? I know our governor seems to be trying to see how many people she can kill from covid. Rumor is that she is going to get primaried so she is doing every the GOP in the state wants.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 24, 2021 9:50:58 GMT -5
Don’t worry. Senator Ron Johnson was interviewed and didn’t see why we need to encourage everyone to be vaccinated. It should be there personal choice. They don’t put anyone in danger. Do republicans even pretend to care about anyone else anymore? I know our governor seems to be trying to see how many people she can kill from covid. Rumor is that she is going to get primaried so she is doing every the GOP in the state wants. We are going to see Darwinism in action this upcoming winter. Somewhere around 50% of people take the flu vaccine rack year. There are about 30-35k deaths from the flu in a normal year. Since I believe restrictions will loosen this winter, we should see a number of deaths from the flu slightly below that figure. I doubt we get much more than 60% of the population vaccinated against Covid by next winter. Since the mortality of this is higher, and it is more contagious, I suspect we will have more deaths from covid this winter than we typically see from the flu. It will be interesting to see how the are distributed throughout the US. It will be a natural experiment
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Post by saveinla on Apr 24, 2021 11:49:04 GMT -5
I slept for 12 hours last night - 24 hours after my shot - now feeling much better.
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