January 6th Bomb Exploded

[djAdvocate]

something like 80% of the US public once believed that Iraq had WMD.

there was NEVER any proof offered for that.

and because of that, i NEVER believed it.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Washington — A member of the far-right Proud Boys group who was convicted on charges that included assaulting police during the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot and later cut off his ankle monitor in an attempt to flee from law enforcement was sentenced to 10 years in prison on Thursday.

Christopher Worrell, of Florida, was convicted of seven counts at a bench trial last year after prosecutors alleged he sprayed law enforcement officers during the attack as they defended the north side of the Capitol against a large group of rioters.

In remarks to the judge before sentencing, Worrell emotionally characterized his conduct on Jan. 6 as "inexcusable and unjustified" and said he was "truly sorry" to law enforcement and members of Congress.

"Nearly three years ago today, I made some choices I sincerely regret," he told D.C. District Judge Royce Lamberth.

In August, Worrell failed to appear at his sentencing hearing in Washington, D.C., and Lamberth issued a bench warrant for his arrest. The FBI issued an alert asking for assistance in finding Worrell, and he was ultimately taken into custody weeks later as he tried to return to his home.

www.cbsnews.com/news/jan-6-proud-boys-defendant-who-led-law-enforcement-manhunt-sentenced/

[djAdvocate]

sounds like a terrific guy.

another 10 years of singing with the choir.

[djAdvocate]

i read that article about him.

the judge seems deeply humane.

unlike the perp.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

It's astonishing how long it is taking to mete out punishment....while I would hope the ones not yet brought to justice are qucking in their boots, given the source they are likely ratherin arms for a bigger insurrection.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 5, 2024 11:18:14 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

It's astonishing how long it is taking to mete out punishment....while I would hope the ones not yet brought to justice are quaking in their boots, given the source they are likely gatherin arms for a bigger insurrection.

it seems so.  hopefully the key people will be in jail next J6.

[djAdvocate]

www.politico.com/news/2024/01/04/jan-6-defendant-judge-00133905

there are a couple of things about the cbs report that are unclear.
here is another take.

Worrell said he was treated "fairly".  i think he was treated KINDLY- with extreme deference and attention to his needs.  if this were a black guy selling coke, they would have given him an EXTRA 10 years for cutting off his bracelet and evading arrest for 6 weeks.

oh well.  it is nice to know that if i mace an officer and felony trespass, that i will be offered parole before i am able to collect Social Security.  it's great being a white guy.

[Tennesseer]

Three more fugitives hiding from the law captured.

FBI captures three Jan. 6 fugitives at Florida ranch on the third anniversary of the Capitol attack

WASHINGTON — Early Saturday morning, on the third anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, the FBI captured three fugitives accused of participating in the riot at a ranch in Florida.

“The FBI executed three federal arrest warrants early this morning at a ranch in Groveland, Florida in Lake County," the FBI Tampa Field Office said in a statement. "The subjects taken into custody are January 6 fugitives Jonathan Daniel Pollock, Olivia Michele Pollock, and Joseph Daniel Hutchinson III. The defendants are scheduled to appear in Federal Court in Ocala, Florida on Monday, January 8. No further details concerning their capture are available at this time.”

Jonathan Pollock has been at large since the summer of 2021, when he was indicted alongside his sister Olivia Pollock, Hutchinson and two others. Federal authorities said Hutchinson had been an employee at the Pollock family’s gun shop in Lakeland, Florida. Olivia Pollock and Hutchinson have been fugitives since the summer of 2023, when they failed to show up to their trials.

Rest of article here:FBI captures three Jan. 6 fugitives at Florida ranch on the third anniversary of the Capitol attack

[NastyWoman]

This may have been covered elsewhere but I think it fits in this thread:

news.yahoo.com/ashli-babbitts-family-sues-u-020558119.html

"Poor Ashley Babitt" - all she did was climb through a broken window unarmed and with her hands held in the air and the nasty capitol police shot this "accidental, totally innocent, absolutely not dangerous tourist" (my words) dead. So let's sue...
Is there anything these bozos, and yes in this case I am including her family, are not willing to do to keep their illusion alive? How does this even get accepted as a valid lawsuit?

[Tennesseer]

A real shame Babbitt's family will lose again.  Not.

[tallguy]

Jan 6, 2024 19:22:30 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

This may have been covered elsewhere but I think it fits in this thread:

news.yahoo.com/ashli-babbitts-family-sues-u-020558119.html

"Poor Ashley Babitt" - all she did was climb through a broken window unarmed and with her hands held in the air and the nasty capitol police shot this "accidental, totally innocent, absolutely not dangerous tourist" (my words) dead. So let's sue...
Is there anything these bozos, and yes in this case I am including her family, are not willing to do to keep their illusion alive? How does this even get accepted as a valid lawsuit?

Ashli Babbitt was the one person in the whole disgusting mess who actually got exactly what she deserved.   

[Opti]

Not sure how to gran this, but I really liked this interview with Rep. Andy Kim. He was not in the Capitol when J6 happened but went to the rotunda to help clean up.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rep-andy-kim-republicans-embracing-trump-after-jan-6-are-cowards/vi-AA1mxfI1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=4e867ff0cff74749990f906ad9f71c35&ei=40

[Tennesseer]

Special counsel probe uncovers new details about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6: Sources

Special counsel Jack Smith's team has uncovered previously undisclosed details about former President Donald Trump's refusal to help stop the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol three years ago as he sat watching TV inside the White House, according to sources familiar with what Smith's team has learned during its Jan. 6 probe.

Many of the exclusive details come from the questioning of Trump's former deputy chief of staff, Dan Scavino, who first started working for Trump as a teenager three decades ago and is now a paid senior adviser to Trump's reelection campaign. Scavino wouldn't speak with the House select committee that conducted its own probe related to Jan. 6, but -- after a judge overruled claims of executive privilege last year -- he did speak with Smith's team, and key portions of what he said were described to ABC News.

New details also come from the Smith team's interviews with other White House advisers and top lawyers who -- despite being deposed in the congressional probe -- previously declined to answer questions about Trump's own statements and demeanor on Jan. 6, 2021, according to publicly released transcripts of their interviews in that probe.

Sources said Scavino told Smith's investigators that as the violence began to escalate that day, Trump "was just not interested" in doing more to stop it.

Sources also said former Trump aide Nick Luna told federal investigators that when Trump was informed that then-Vice President Mike Pence had to be rushed to a secure location, Trump responded, "So what?" -- which sources said Luna saw as an unexpected willingness by Trump to let potential harm come to a longtime loyalist.

House Democrats and other critics have openly accused Trump of failing to do enough that day, with the Democrat-led House select committee accusing Trump of committing "an utter moral failure" and "a clear dereliction of duty." But what sources now describe to ABC News are the assessments and first-hand accounts of several of Trump's own advisers who stood by him for years -- and were among the few to directly engage with him throughout that day.

Along with Scavino and Luna, that small group included then-Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, then-White House counsel Pat Cipollone, and Cipollone's former deputy, Pat Philbin.

Rest of article here: Special counsel probe uncovers new details about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6: Sources

[Tennesseer]

Just a reminder:

[Tennesseer]

Good article.

Who’s Afraid of Calling Donald Trump an Insurrectionist?

In the history of self-defeating euphemisms, Jonathan Chait’s characterization of Donald Trump’s failed coup as an attempt to “secure an unelected second term in office” belongs in the hall of fame, alongside George W. Bush’s “weapons of mass destruction–related program activities” or Kellyanne Conway’s “alternative facts.”

“Alternative facts” clearly meant lies. “Weapons of mass destruction–related program activities” merely reinforced the absence of the very weapons of mass destruction that the U.S. had invoked to justify invading Iraq. And another way of saying “secure an unelected second term in office” is “coup.”

When writing that line, Chait, like many other liberal writers, was alarmed by the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision disqualifying Trump from the ballot based on Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which bars from political office those who have sworn an oath to the Constitution and subsequently engaged in “insurrection or rebellion.” Although Chait curiously insisted that he wouldn’t “comment on the legal merits of the case,” he managed to somehow zero in on one of the main legal points at issue, which is whether Trump’s behavior “constitutes ‘insurrection.’”

Among the definitions explored by the Colorado Supreme Court is one from an 1860 dictionary that describes insurrection as “a rising against civil or political authority; the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a city or state.” A law-review article by the conservative law professors William Baude and Michael Paulsen, which the Colorado Supreme Court cited heavily, noted that insurrection involves “an affirmative contest with, and active resistance to, the authority of the government. It is in that sense more than just organized resistance to the laws—more than just a protest, even one involving civil disobedience.”

There are many compelling political reasons not to disqualify Trump under the Fourteenth Amendment, among them the potential implications of removing the immense decision of who gets to be president from the electorate’s control. But to oppose his removal on legal, not political, grounds is to, in a circuitous way, make the same argument as Trump himself: that he is above the law—that the constraints of the Constitution apply to others but, for some reason, not to him.

Rest of article here: Who’s Afraid of Calling Donald Trump an Insurrectionist?

[Tennesseer]

Virginia elections investigation uncovers missing votes in 2020 — but for Biden

Another elections investigation has finally uncovered that there were missing votes in 2020, just not for Donald Trump.

While the ex-president has maintained for years that the 2020 election was stolen from him and there was fraud afoot, it turns out Joe Biden was shorted votes in Virginia and it was a Republican investigation uncovered it.

NBC Washington reported the Prince William County Office of Elections revealed the news "a week after prosecutors from the Virginia Attorney General's office dropped charges against the county's former registrar, Michele White."

Rest of short article here: Virginia elections investigation uncovers missing votes in 2020 — but for Biden

Longer, detailed article here: Prince William County admits election tally in 2020 shorted Joe Biden

[djAdvocate]

how many votes?

[ken a.k.a OMK]

In the presidential race, the county mistakenly shorted Biden by 1,648 votes, and overreported Trump's count by 2,327 votes. The 3,975-vote error in the margin of victory was immaterial in a contest that Biden won by 450,000 votes in Virginia and by more than 60,000 votes in Prince William County.

[billisonboard]

Jan 15, 2024 14:12:04 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

In the presidential race, the county mistakenly shorted Biden by 1,648 votes, and overreported Trump's count by 2,327 votes. The 3,975-vote error in the margin of victory was immaterial in a contest that Biden won by 450,000 votes in Virginia and by more than 60,000 votes in Prince William County.

Wherever did you find that information?

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Sorry. I should have included the source.

abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/virginia-county-admits-election-tally-2020-shorted-joe-106333515

[djAdvocate]

that is actually pretty significant.

thanks, i will look at this report.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 15, 2024 14:08:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

how many votes?

The number of votes discovered is mentioned in both of the linked articles I provided. Board rules I cannot post the complete article.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 15, 2024 14:33:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 15, 2024 14:08:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

how many votes?

The number of votes discovered is mentioned in both of the linked articles I provided. Board rules I cannot post the complete article.

ken posted it in 3137.

[djAdvocate]

originally this was apparently a criminal inquiry.
the charges were dropped recently.
the implication that part of the reason for doing that
was so that the vote tally could be exposed to the public.

the other part is that it appears to be an accident.
two precincts were duplicated.

i have never seen an error this large in any election before.

[tallguy]

I would ask how they ended up with "split districts" which is what apparently opened the door to the problem in the first place?  I can't imagine why it would be done that way, and wonder further how prevalent that is in other states? 

[Opti]

Jan 15, 2024 14:18:25 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Sorry. I should have included the source.

abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/virginia-county-admits-election-tally-2020-shorted-joe-106333515

Thanks, I am putting this here so people can read it without clicking your link. I am surprised since it was Virginia, a state bordering DC that this wasn't shouted from the rooftops or reported by media every time Trump did his performance art of pretending votes were rigged against him instead of for him.


In the presidential race, the county mistakenly shorted Biden by 1,648 votes, and overreported Trump's count by 2,327 votes. The 3,975-vote error in the margin of victory was immaterial in a contest that Biden won by 450,000 votes in Virginia and by more than 60,000 votes in Prince William County.

[billisonboard]

Jan 15, 2024 15:29:52 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I would ask how they ended up with "split districts" which is what apparently opened the door to the problem in the first place?  I can't imagine why it would be done that way, and wonder further how prevalent that is in other states? 

That does seem strange that congressional districts split voting precincts. How they even get sub-precinct voter registration numbers seems incredibly complex.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 15, 2024 15:08:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 15, 2024 14:33:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

The number of votes discovered is mentioned in both of the linked articles I provided. Board rules I cannot post the complete article.

ken posted it in 3137.

I know. But I posted it in both linked articles in 3135.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 15, 2024 16:51:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 15, 2024 15:08:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

ken posted it in 3137.

I know. But I posted it in both linked articles in 3135.

i wasn't interested in reading an article about four votes.  that is what 99% of these incidents are.

i was pretty interested in reading an article about 4000 votes.

i was basically asking whether it was something that would interest me.
i only have so much time.  and with each passing year, the value of it goes up.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 15, 2024 17:05:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 15, 2024 16:51:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I know. But I posted it in both linked articles in 3135.

i wasn't interested in reading an article about four votes.  that is what 99% of these incidents are.

i was pretty interested in reading an article about 4000 votes.

i was basically asking whether it was something that would interest me.
i only have so much time.  and with each passing year, the value of it goes up.

My two linked articles were not about four votes.