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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 10:45:49 GMT -5
doesn't concern me, but might add to their list of crimes.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 29, 2022 10:50:48 GMT -5
doesn't concern me, but might add to their list of crimes. Witness tampering. Trump directed messages? Probably.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 29, 2022 11:02:52 GMT -5
I'm not too concerned regarding Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony about trump's alleged behavior in the presidential vehicle and grabbing the steering wheel when not allowed to join his cult members at the Capitol building. Hutchinson did qualify the information as someone told her about trump's behavior.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 29, 2022 11:23:38 GMT -5
There’s a lot of debate about Trump trying to grab the steering wheel. A video is going around that supposedly shows it.
He had the idea he would walk with ‘my people’ right into the capital chamber where he would triumphantly declare himself the winner of the election. Just like Napoleon grabbing the crown and crowning himself emperor.
And everyone would be overwhelmed by his magnificence and go along with it.
Narcissists suck.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 29, 2022 11:24:59 GMT -5
Something is bothering me about ivanka trump's sworn testimony to the J6 committee. Ivanka trump stated to the J6 committee on or about June 9, 2022 she accepted Bill Barr's statement he made on December 1, 2020 that the Justice Department found no widespread fraud or any other election stealing in the 2020 presidential election. I believe it was Barr's December 1st statement which triggered trump to throw his meal at a White House wall.
So why was ivanka at her father's Stop The Steal rally January 6, 2021? If she now believed the election was not stolen, why show up at the rally?
During her testimony to the J6 committee, ivanka did not state she believed Barr long after trump directed Capitol insurrection on January 6th. Ivanka's attendance only encouraged her father to press on with his lies.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 29, 2022 11:36:11 GMT -5
There’s a lot of debate about Trump trying to grab the steering wheel. A video is going around that supposedly shows it. He had the idea he would walk with ‘my people’ right into the capital chamber where he would triumphantly declare himself the winner of the election. Just like Napoleon grabbing the crown and crowning himself emperor. And everyone would be overwhelmed by his magnificence and go along with it. Narcissists suck. After the testimony, a Secret Service official familiar with the matter told CNN that Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that the former President grabbed the wheel or an agent on his detail.
The Secret Service, through the Department of Homeland Security Office of Legislative Affairs, notified the committee Tuesday afternoon that it will make the agents involved available to testify under oath, the official said. The agents are also prepared to say under oath that the incident itself did not occur.
link A video would be great.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 29, 2022 11:58:32 GMT -5
There’s a lot of debate about Trump trying to grab the steering wheel. A video is going around that supposedly shows it. He had the idea he would walk with ‘my people’ right into the capital chamber where he would triumphantly declare himself the winner of the election. Just like Napoleon grabbing the crown and crowning himself emperor. And everyone would be overwhelmed by his magnificence and go along with it. Narcissists suck. After the testimony, a Secret Service official familiar with the matter told CNN that Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that the former President grabbed the wheel or an agent on his detail.
The Secret Service, through the Department of Homeland Security Office of Legislative Affairs, notified the committee Tuesday afternoon that it will make the agents involved available to testify under oath, the official said. The agents are also prepared to say under oath that the incident itself did not occur.
link A video would be great. I’ve seen the video, just seems to be some hand waving, not clear by whom. The witness heard about this from someone who saw it. Could be some exaggeration involved.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 13:31:47 GMT -5
who really cares? grabbing the steering wheel is probably not even a crime. i care about him suggesting that armed citizens storm the capital. that is the part that concerns me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 13:45:35 GMT -5
i should have put the above THIS way, having thought about it:
having exhausted all legal means of overturning the election, Trump resorted first to quasi-legal means, clearly unconstitutional but still legislative means, and then, finally completely illegal and violent means to preserve is power.
had he quit at clearly unconstitutional but still legislative, i might be inclined to let him go, despite the peril he provides to our republic.
having crossed the line, however, i see no reason to not shackle that bastard.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 29, 2022 13:51:14 GMT -5
As long as this ends with Donald Trump being executed, I don't care at all which of his crimes is cited as the trigger for it. There are many that could lead to prison. There are several that could lead to death. Pick whichever one you like. Just pick one.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 29, 2022 13:55:42 GMT -5
i should have put the above THIS way, having thought about it: having exhausted all legal means of overturning the election, Trump resorted first to quasi-legal means, clearly unconstitutional but still legislative means, and then, finally completely illegal and violent means to preserve is power. had he quit at clearly unconstitutional but still legislative, i might be inclined to let him go, despite the peril he provides to our republic. having crossed the line, however, i see no reason to not shackle that bastard. What if shackling the bastard leads to civil war? I’d be ok with just making sure he can never run for public office and reducing him to the inconsequential celebrity level would be fine for me. All the laws suits he is entangled in should ultimately leave him if not broke, at least no longer part of the jet set. Imagine how furious he would be, a powerless has been. Now, there are enablers I think should get jail time. Giuliani, Bannon, Meadows, Flynn.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 13:59:42 GMT -5
i should have put the above THIS way, having thought about it: having exhausted all legal means of overturning the election, Trump resorted first to quasi-legal means, clearly unconstitutional but still legislative means, and then, finally completely illegal and violent means to preserve is power. had he quit at clearly unconstitutional but still legislative, i might be inclined to let him go, despite the peril he provides to our republic. having crossed the line, however, i see no reason to not shackle that bastard. What if shackling the bastard leads to civil war? I’d be ok with just making sure he can never run for public office and reducing him to the inconsequential celebrity level would be fine for me. All the laws suits he is entangled in should ultimately leave him if not broke, at least no longer part of the jet set. Imagine how furious he would be, a powerless has been. Now, there are enablers I think should get jail time. Giuliani, Bannon, Meadows, Flynn. i don't think the threat of a civil war should preclude us from pursuing justice. if the evidence leads there, shackle him. are you seriously concerned about that possibility?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 29, 2022 14:30:40 GMT -5
An overlooked 'wow' moment from the 1/6 committee's latest hearingCheney: Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified morally?
Flynn: Take the Fifth.
Cheney: Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified legally?
Flynn: Fifth
Cheney: Do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the United States of America?
Flynn: The Fifth I don't know if "civil war" is a good term for what we are likely going to see, but I do think blood will be shed again. I think it will only be possible to minimize, and not eliminate, it happening.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 14:54:52 GMT -5
An overlooked 'wow' moment from the 1/6 committee's latest hearingCheney: Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified morally?
Flynn: Take the Fifth.
Cheney: Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified legally?
Flynn: Fifth
Cheney: Do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the United States of America?
Flynn: The Fifth I don't know if "civil war" is a good term for what we are likely going to see, but I do think blood will be shed again. I think it will only be possible to minimize, and not eliminate, it happening. interesting. i don't. but that is because i expect him to be gagged if convicted. if he breaks the gag, then yes, i expect bloodshed. and i expect that to increase his sentence.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 29, 2022 15:11:01 GMT -5
An overlooked 'wow' moment from the 1/6 committee's latest hearingCheney: Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified morally?
Flynn: Take the Fifth.
Cheney: Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified legally?
Flynn: Fifth
Cheney: Do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the United States of America?
Flynn: The Fifth I don't know if "civil war" is a good term for what we are likely going to see, but I do think blood will be shed again. I think it will only be possible to minimize, and not eliminate, it happening. interesting. i don't. but that is because i expect him to be gagged if convicted. if he breaks the gag, then yes, i expect bloodshed. and i expect that to increase his sentence. I am thinking a gag order just won't cut it, because people outside can organize and free a prisoner.
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Post by busymom on Jun 29, 2022 15:16:26 GMT -5
An overlooked 'wow' moment from the 1/6 committee's latest hearingCheney: Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified morally?
Flynn: Take the Fifth.
Cheney: Do you believe the violence on January 6 was justified legally?
Flynn: Fifth
Cheney: Do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the United States of America?
Flynn: The Fifth I don't know if "civil war" is a good term for what we are likely going to see, but I do think blood will be shed again. I think it will only be possible to minimize, and not eliminate, it happening. I just about choked when he took the 5th when questioned on whether he believes in the peaceful transition of power in the USA. He used to be a general, for Heaven's sake. If we were in Russia, he probably would have organized real troops to go into DC on January 6th. Speaking of people who need to be locked up...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 16:50:01 GMT -5
interesting. i don't. but that is because i expect him to be gagged if convicted. if he breaks the gag, then yes, i expect bloodshed. and i expect that to increase his sentence. I am thinking a gag order just won't cut it, because people outside can organize and free a prisoner. wow. you have gone way further down this rabbit hole than me.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 29, 2022 17:20:39 GMT -5
What if shackling the bastard leads to civil war? I’d be ok with just making sure he can never run for public office and reducing him to the inconsequential celebrity level would be fine for me. All the laws suits he is entangled in should ultimately leave him if not broke, at least no longer part of the jet set. Imagine how furious he would be, a powerless has been. Now, there are enablers I think should get jail time. Giuliani, Bannon, Meadows, Flynn. i don't think the threat of a civil war should preclude us from pursuing justice. if the evidence leads there, shackle him. are you seriously concerned about that possibility? There’s talk about possible jail time if GA gets a conviction. Atlanta is an urban oasis surrounded by diverse suburbs (there’s a significant Asian population in the north eastern suburbs around Suwannee). Outside the suburbs it’s the 1950s, mostly. I am very frightened that all the Trump minions will pour into Atlanta to try to stop the trial, and if he gets convicted, bombings and snipers. This is the South, after all, where not that long ago little children were killed in church bombings and it took decades to prosecute anyone for them. We’re never that far from the KKK raiders. They would have no problem burning Atlanta. So yes, I’m very concerned about bloodshed.
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Post by Opti on Jun 29, 2022 17:25:51 GMT -5
Something is bothering me about ivanka trump's sworn testimony to the J6 committee. Ivanka trump stated to the J6 committee on or about June 9, 2022 she accepted Bill Barr's statement he made on December 1, 2020 that the Justice Department found no widespread fraud or any other election stealing in the 2020 presidential election. I believe it was Barr's December 1st statement which triggered trump to throw his meal at a White House wall. So why was ivanka at her father's Stop The Steal rally January 6, 2021? If she now believed the election was not stolen, why show up at the rally? During her testimony to the J6 committee, ivanka did not state she believed Barr long after trump directed Capitol insurrection on January 6th. Ivanka's attendance only encouraged her father to press on with his lies.I doubt it. He does what he is going to do and he only listens when he wants to. I think Ivanka didn't want to get kicked out of the WH prior to the transfer of power. She has had a narcissist dad her entire life. I doubt she agreed with him every time she stood by his side. His kids have been programmed to fall into line or be cut off.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 29, 2022 17:27:02 GMT -5
I am thinking a gag order just won't cut it, because people outside can organize and free a prisoner. wow. you have gone way further down this rabbit hole than me. Have I? the reason i think that death is an appropriate penalty for treason is that it is an attack on the state. the ONLY defense that a state has against determined insurrection is death. at least that is my conclusion. especially now. lwopp just won't cut it, because people outside can organize and free a prisoner.
but the bar for treason is very high, bills. very high indeed. Actually I was just fucking with you dude.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 29, 2022 17:33:28 GMT -5
i don't think the threat of a civil war should preclude us from pursuing justice. if the evidence leads there, shackle him. are you seriously concerned about that possibility? There’s talk about possible jail time if GA gets a conviction. Atlanta is an urban oasis surrounded by diverse suburbs (there’s a significant Asian population in the north eastern suburbs around Suwannee). Outside the suburbs it’s the 1950s, mostly. I am very frightened that all the Trump minions will pour into Atlanta to try to stop the trial, and if he gets convicted, bombings and snipers. This is the South, after all, where not that long ago little children were killed in church bombings and it took decades to prosecute anyone for them. We’re never that far from the KKK raiders. They would have no problem burning Atlanta. So yes, I’m very concerned about bloodshed. All the more reason for the federal government to hold him accountable rather than a state, in addition to the government of the United States having the ability to impose additional penalties beyond just prison time.
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Post by Opti on Jun 29, 2022 17:34:23 GMT -5
i should have put the above THIS way, having thought about it: having exhausted all legal means of overturning the election, Trump resorted first to quasi-legal means, clearly unconstitutional but still legislative means, and then, finally completely illegal and violent means to preserve is power. had he quit at clearly unconstitutional but still legislative, i might be inclined to let him go, despite the peril he provides to our republic. having crossed the line, however, i see no reason to not shackle that bastard. What if shackling the bastard leads to civil war? I’d be ok with just making sure he can never run for public office a nd reducing him to the inconsequential celebrity level would be fine for me. All the laws suits he is entangled in should ultimately leave him if not broke, at least no longer part of the jet set.
Imagine how furious he would be, a powerless has been. Now, there are enablers I think should get jail time. Giuliani, Bannon, Meadows, Flynn. Nice pipe dream but highly unlikely. He knows how to sell and is used to using the legal system. He might be briefly broke on paper at best, but he's not going to the poor house or even middle class. He'd have to be dead or severely physically incapacitated to stop grifting. He now has a huge base of rabid fans. They are not going to slink off into the night. It is very likely to me he will get fines instead of jail time simply because he was President. This will not slow him down and if anything will have him selling gold emblazoned victim cards at a pace not even seen in his presidency.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 18:02:11 GMT -5
i don't think the threat of a civil war should preclude us from pursuing justice. if the evidence leads there, shackle him. are you seriously concerned about that possibility? There’s talk about possible jail time if GA gets a conviction. Atlanta is an urban oasis surrounded by diverse suburbs (there’s a significant Asian population in the north eastern suburbs around Suwannee). Outside the suburbs it’s the 1950s, mostly. I am very frightened that all the Trump minions will pour into Atlanta to try to stop the trial, and if he gets convicted, bombings and snipers. This is the South, after all, where not that long ago little children were killed in church bombings and it took decades to prosecute anyone for them. We’re never that far from the KKK raiders. They would have no problem burning Atlanta. So yes, I’m very concerned about bloodshed. wow. um..... fuck this place?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 18:03:10 GMT -5
There’s talk about possible jail time if GA gets a conviction. Atlanta is an urban oasis surrounded by diverse suburbs (there’s a significant Asian population in the north eastern suburbs around Suwannee). Outside the suburbs it’s the 1950s, mostly. I am very frightened that all the Trump minions will pour into Atlanta to try to stop the trial, and if he gets convicted, bombings and snipers. This is the South, after all, where not that long ago little children were killed in church bombings and it took decades to prosecute anyone for them. We’re never that far from the KKK raiders. They would have no problem burning Atlanta. So yes, I’m very concerned about bloodshed. All the more reason for the federal government to hold him accountable rather than a state, in addition to the government of the United States having the ability to impose additional penalties beyond just prison time. firing squad is starting to sound like a good idea.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 29, 2022 18:04:45 GMT -5
wow. you have gone way further down this rabbit hole than me. Have I? the reason i think that death is an appropriate penalty for treason is that it is an attack on the state. the ONLY defense that a state has against determined insurrection is death. at least that is my conclusion. especially now. lwopp just won't cut it, because people outside can organize and free a prisoner.
but the bar for treason is very high, bills. very high indeed. Actually I was just fucking with you dude. not cool. evidently my mind is wandering a bit.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 29, 2022 18:06:15 GMT -5
All the more reason for the federal government to hold him accountable rather than a state, in addition to the government of the United States having the ability to impose additional penalties beyond just prison time. firing squad is starting to sound like a good idea. For Flynn. Giuliani, Eastman and a few others too (take your pick).
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 29, 2022 18:32:50 GMT -5
Have I? Actually I was just fucking with you dude. not cool. evidently my mind is wandering a bit. wandering down a rabbit hole?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 29, 2022 19:10:48 GMT -5
The J6 Committee has subpoenaed White House counsel Pat Cipollone.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 30, 2022 7:04:28 GMT -5
Ginnie Thomas, who not long ago said she wanted to talk to the J6 committee to ‘clear the air’ has now decided she can’t because of the stressful times going on with her husband at the Supreme Court.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 30, 2022 7:24:50 GMT -5
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