January 6th Bomb Exploded

[djAdvocate]

Jan 1, 2021 20:40:06 GMT -5 flan327 said:

Jan 1, 2021 14:47:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i am so sick of hearing China blamed for shit.

Like what?

Who SHOULD be held accountable?

it is too broad of a question.

the general answer is "whoever is responsible".

in the case of coronavirus, trade issues, and the election, the US is far more responsible for what has happened to the US in terms of these things than any outside entity.  but if you have to pick a second entity for those three things, I would blame God, presidents going back to Nixon, and Russia, in that order.

[tbop77]

Why Josh Hawley's move could endanger Senate Republicans

www.cnn.com/2020/12/31/politics/josh-hawley-senate-republican-reaction/index.html

Republican senators will essentially be choosing Wednesday between a vote on an election most acknowledge was fair and their political futures.

"It's the height of selfishness to subject nearly all his colleagues to a backlash from conservatives just so he can kickstart his presidential campaign," one Republican aide said


Well, duh, he whole term has been about the height of selfishness....
Too bad, so sad, hope they get exactly what they deserve!

[flan327]

Jan 1, 2021 21:37:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 1, 2021 20:40:06 GMT -5 flan327 said:

Like what?

Who SHOULD be held accountable?

it is too broad of a question.

the general answer is "whoever is responsible".

in the case of coronavirus, trade issues, and the election, the US is far more responsible for what has happened to the US in terms of these things than any outside entity.  but if you have to pick a second entity for those three things, I would blame God, presidents going back to Nixon, and Russia, in that order.

If you are going to post a statement like that, it should make sense

Thanks for your response

God stays out of human affairs IMHO

[thyme4change]

Jan 1, 2021 20:40:06 GMT -5 flan327 said:

Jan 1, 2021 14:47:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i am so sick of hearing China blamed for shit.

Like what?

Who SHOULD be held accountable?

Accountable for changing votes from Trump to Biden? No one should be held accountable because it did not happen.

[flan327]

Jan 2, 2021 8:24:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 1, 2021 20:40:06 GMT -5 flan327 said:

Like what?

Who SHOULD be held accountable?

Accountable for changing votes from Trump to Biden? No one should be held accountable because it did not happen.

TRUE

[deminmaine]

Jan 1, 2021 20:34:49 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jan 1, 2021 19:34:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

god. we seem so far away from this.

how do we EVER get there?

I think it go s along with our rampant anti-intellectualism. We became distrustful of experts, and people have taken advantage of it. The internet has exacerbated it. But how it started I have no idea. We no longer are interested in problem solving and compromise. Until that changes, we will continue our downward trajectory

Anti-intellectualism has "always" been with us of course.  There are always a ready supply of dullards who neither understand nor appreciate thoughtful pursuits above their ready comprehension level.  I could speculate that they are thus ready to dislike or hate that which they do not understand and resent for it, but the historical fact is that their is typically an undercurrent of such emotional patterns.  It was a strong undercurrent in the message of the fascists of mid 20th century Europe, and is often a populist target.  

As you point out it is rampant in our society right now, and at our peril.  How many lives would be saved to date if we believed basic scientific theory regarding masking and social distancing? 

[tbop77]

Like this:


Wood wrote: "When arrests for treason begin, put Chief Justice John Roberts, VP Mike Pence, and Mitch McConnell at top of the list."


Then, in reply to a tweet, Wood suggested that Pence should be executed by firing squad.



He wrote: "If Pence is arrested, Pompeo will save the election. Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason. He will face execution by firing squad. He is a coward and will sing like a bird and confess ALL."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pro-trump-lawyer-lin-wood-insists-he-is-not-insane-after-tweeting-that-mike-pence-should-face-execution-by-firing-squad/ar-BB1cpNJm?ocid=msedgntp

[flan327]

Don't kill Pence, just put him in the stocks

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[deminmaine]

I reaqd that about Lin Wood this morning.  It is really hard to conceptualize how he could even think that way.  The man is a lawyer, and between him and other legal minds on the right I need to re-think my concept of what a lawyer's bounds of legal reality might be, even given their training.

[pulmonarymd]

It appears ideology trumps facts and reason at present for supposedly intelligent conservatives. Only way to explain the whackadoodle legal actions we have seen, and the healthcare professionals who get on TV and spout nonsense. These people seem to have gone off the rails. Never thought I would see it to this extent. One reason I am worried about our society. If intelligent people refuse to acknowledge reality, we will go down with them as they get more power

[bookkeeper]

Jan 2, 2021 9:24:28 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Like this:


Wood wrote: "When arrests for treason begin, put Chief Justice John Roberts, VP Mike Pence, and Mitch McConnell at top of the list."


Then, in reply to a tweet, Wood suggested that Pence should be executed by firing squad.



He wrote: "If Pence is arrested, Pompeo will save the election. Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason. He will face execution by firing squad. He is a coward and will sing like a bird and confess ALL."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pro-trump-lawyer-lin-wood-insists-he-is-not-insane-after-tweeting-that-mike-pence-should-face-execution-by-firing-squad/ar-BB1cpNJm?ocid=msedgntp

Good to see the right to life party is still firm in their beliefs. It is amazing we can talk about saving every baby, yet want to kill adults by firing squad.  That's some conflicted stuff between their ears.

[thyme4change]

Jan 2, 2021 9:31:22 GMT -5 flan327 said:

Don't kill Pence, just put him in the stocks

👵

I think he should be forced to go to strip clubs, private meetings with a variety of women (held in a hotel room) and attend pride celebrations all over the country. He may prefer execution.

[Opti]

Jan 2, 2021 11:02:47 GMT -5 bookkeeper said:

Jan 2, 2021 9:24:28 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Like this:


Wood wrote: "When arrests for treason begin, put Chief Justice John Roberts, VP Mike Pence, and Mitch McConnell at top of the list."


Then, in reply to a tweet, Wood suggested that Pence should be executed by firing squad.



He wrote: "If Pence is arrested, Pompeo will save the election. Pence will be in jail awaiting trial for treason. He will face execution by firing squad. He is a coward and will sing like a bird and confess ALL."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pro-trump-lawyer-lin-wood-insists-he-is-not-insane-after-tweeting-that-mike-pence-should-face-execution-by-firing-squad/ar-BB1cpNJm?ocid=msedgntp

Good to see the right to life party is still firm in their beliefs. It is amazing we can talk about saving every baby, yet want to kill adults by firing squad.  That's some conflicted stuff between their ears.

Maybe they are just the right to live target party. This would explain why they don't care much what happens after babies are born. All those guns must talk to them during the night or something.

[Opti]

Jan 2, 2021 10:02:17 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I reaqd that about Lin Wood this morning.  It is really hard to conceptualize how he could even think that way.  The man is a lawyer, and between him and other legal minds on the right I need to re-think my concept of what a lawyer's bounds of legal reality might be, even given their training.

I'm skimming Michael Cohen's book Disloyal. People are people and some go down rabbit holes for power. Some I think get caught up in the ride and frenzy and turn most of their critical thinking off. I think that happened to Cohen and lots of people who left DT's administration willing and otherwise. 

[kadee79]

Sooo, now what happens when Cruz & the others refuse to vote?....


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-johnson-and-9-other-gop-senators-say-they-will-not-vote-to-certify-electors-unless-audit-is-conducted/ar-BB1cq9EV?li=BBnb7Kz

[billisonboard]

On Saturday, nearly a dozen Republican senators and senators-elect said they would vote against counting the electoral votes next week. The Republican lawmakers said they intend to reject the Electoral College votes from multiple states until an "emergency 10-day audit" of the election returns in the "disputed states" is completed. link

I am very curious on their thinking that they have any constitutional ability to do this.

[pulmonarymd]

Jan 2, 2021 14:41:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

On Saturday, nearly a dozen Republican senators and senators-elect said they would vote against counting the electoral votes next week. The Republican lawmakers said they intend to reject the Electoral College votes from multiple states until an "emergency 10-day audit" of the election returns in the "disputed states" is completed. link

I am very curious on their thinking that they have any constitutional ability to do this.

It's cute you think they have any rational thought about this subject

[Tennesseer]

Jan 2, 2021 14:34:40 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Sooo, now what happens when Cruz & the others refuse to vote?....


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-johnson-and-9-other-gop-senators-say-they-will-not-vote-to-certify-electors-unless-audit-is-conducted/ar-BB1cq9EV?li=BBnb7Kz

Marsha Blackburn is one of the senators. She has her head so far up trump's ass I'm surprised one cannot see her face when Trump opens his big yapper.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 2, 2021 8:20:22 GMT -5 flan327 said:

Jan 1, 2021 21:37:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it is too broad of a question.

the general answer is "whoever is responsible".

in the case of coronavirus, trade issues, and the election, the US is far more responsible for what has happened to the US in terms of these things than any outside entity.  but if you have to pick a second entity for those three things, I would blame God, presidents going back to Nixon, and Russia, in that order.

If you are going to post a statement like that, it should make sense

Thanks for your response

God stays out of human affairs IMHO

I use the term God very generally.  some might say "nature".

but to each their own.  particularly on this board.

and you're welcome.  but you don't have to thank me.  I would rather you did what you did, which was to ask.  otherwise, I just assume everyone understands me.  which is both lazy and ludicrous, I admit.  but it also provides the side benefit of not wasting my time when people are not interested. 

[djAdvocate]

Jan 2, 2021 14:41:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

On Saturday, nearly a dozen Republican senators and senators-elect said they would vote against counting the electoral votes next week. The Republican lawmakers said they intend to reject the Electoral College votes from multiple states until an "emergency 10-day audit" of the election returns in the "disputed states" is completed. link

I am very curious on their thinking that they have any constitutional ability to do this.

they have no constitutional authority. they are at the flinging poo stage of their failed strategy.

[billisonboard]

Jan 2, 2021 19:02:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2021 14:41:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

On Saturday, nearly a dozen Republican senators and senators-elect said they would vote against counting the electoral votes next week. The Republican lawmakers said they intend to reject the Electoral College votes from multiple states until an "emergency 10-day audit" of the election returns in the "disputed states" is completed. link

I am very curious on their thinking that they have any constitutional ability to do this.

they have no constitutional authority. they are at the flinging poo stage of their failed strategy.

I found this:

... the senators planning to join Hawley's objection said in a joint statement that they "intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not 'regularly given' and 'lawfully certified' (the statutory requisite),link

I assume the statute is the Electoral Count Act of 1887.

[weltschmerz]

[djAdvocate]

Jan 2, 2021 19:36:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 2, 2021 19:02:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

they have no constitutional authority. they are at the flinging poo stage of their failed strategy.

I found this:

... the senators planning to join Hawley's objection said in a joint statement that they "intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not 'regularly given' and 'lawfully certified' (the statutory requisite),link

I assume the statute is the Electoral Count Act of 1887.

I haven't read the Act, but they have no standing according to those two standards. there was nothing irregular or unlawful in this election.

[happyhoix]

Jan 2, 2021 21:04:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2021 19:36:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I found this:

... the senators planning to join Hawley's objection said in a joint statement that they "intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not 'regularly given' and 'lawfully certified' (the statutory requisite),link

I assume the statute is the Electoral Count Act of 1887.

I haven't read the Act, but they have no standing according to those two standards. there was nothing irregular or unlawful in this election.

I saw a few articles speculating that this will divide the GOP party into the Trump party and the GOP party - those who want to cling to Trump will join this ceremonial act, and those who want to continue as the GOP will not. 

Do you think this might finally cause us to have a third party? 

[justme]

Can someone object to mitch being a senator and ask for an audit to not only count his votes but prove that he is not either a) a turtle or b) an alien?

[billisonboard]

Jan 2, 2021 21:04:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2021 19:36:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I found this:

... the senators planning to join Hawley's objection said in a joint statement that they "intend to vote on January 6 to reject the electors from disputed states as not 'regularly given' and 'lawfully certified' (the statutory requisite),link

I assume the statute is the Electoral Count Act of 1887.

I haven't read the Act, but they have no standing according to those two standards. there was nothing irregular or unlawful in this election.

There doesn't really have to be anything irregular nor unlawful in an objective sense. Those are simply the grounds for raising an objection. link A group of politicians are going to vote, perhaps but not likely basing that vote on irregularities or unlawfulness.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 2, 2021 21:53:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 2, 2021 21:04:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I haven't read the Act, but they have no standing according to those two standards. there was nothing irregular or unlawful in this election.

I saw a few articles speculating that this will divide the GOP party into the Trump party and the GOP party - those who want to cling to Trump will join this ceremonial act, and those who want to continue as the GOP will not. 

Do you think this might finally cause us to have a third party? 

let's carry this out logically.

if the POT (Party of Trump) divorces from the GOP, then Democrats will hold a plurality everywhere in the US. in order to keep them (Democrats) from getting shit done, the POT will have to join the GOP to block Democrats.

so, no. I don't think it will change a damned thing.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 2, 2021 22:54:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 2, 2021 21:04:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I haven't read the Act, but they have no standing according to those two standards. there was nothing irregular or unlawful in this election.

There doesn't really have to be anything irregular nor unlawful in an objective sense. Those are simply the grounds for raising an objection. link A group of politicians are going to vote, perhaps but not likely basing that vote on irregularities or unlawfulness.

if you are saying those are arbitrary standards, that may be so. but you would have to prove it to me.  I don't accept it de facto.

[billisonboard]

Jan 2, 2021 23:13:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2021 22:54:55 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

There doesn't really have to be anything irregular nor unlawful in an objective sense. Those are simply the grounds for raising an objection. link A group of politicians are going to vote, perhaps but not likely basing that vote on irregularities or unlawfulness.

if you are saying those are arbitrary standards, that may be so. but you would have to prove it to me.  I don't accept it de facto.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rand Paul, and Joe Manchin (to name a few) will be voting on the objection. Do you think they will base their vote based on the same one common standard? I can't prove they won't but ...

[flan327]

Jan 2, 2021 22:18:33 GMT -5 justme said:

Can someone object to mitch being a senator and ask for an audit to not only count his votes but prove that he is not either a) a turtle or b) an alien?

Maybe an alien tortoise?

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