January 6th Bomb Exploded

[Opti]

Dec 25, 2020 19:36:47 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Has this got anything to do with the real bomb?...... ie the one in Nashville.

I think you need to find out.... and quick.

Given the location, I think it was a personal attack against the AT&T site, but IDK. I don't think it was political. I think it was personal and planned.

[oped]

It could have been political against ATT and that impact and response could be what they were watching as well.

Hope not.

[oped]

Dec 25, 2020 21:28:25 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 25, 2020 21:14:13 GMT -5 oped said:

We can hope it’s irrational. Possible or was observation of protocols but I’m hoping they arent that smart or organized.

Studying operational protocols used in Nashville, TN on Christmas morning and applying them for attacks in a location like Washington DC on January 6th. I hope they are that smart and organized.

That isn’t exactly what I was thinking, but maybe. 

[Opti]

Dec 25, 2020 22:53:59 GMT -5 oped said:

It could have been political against ATT and that impact and response could be what they were watching as well.

Hope not.

I suppose, but it feels more like a disgruntled ex-employee than someone who hates AT&T as their internet provider. The news I read said it took out internet and phone in the immediate area plus had disruptions nationwide. AT&T owns much of the backbone of the network. Anyone smart who liked their internet whether it was AT&T or not and lived in Nashville should not have put a bomb there. YMMV.

[countrygirl2]

I went to buy 9mm ammo to target practice with. Walmart had no ammo, the shelves were cleared.  There were a few boxes of 12 gauge shells.

Another guy told me Academy had nothing but 20 boxes of 22's.  He said you can't find ammunition anywhere, maybe we are sheep thinking the right won't do anything. I'm pretty worried. And that damn fist wave trump keeps doing I would bet is a signal to his followers.

[oped]

Dec 25, 2020 23:04:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 25, 2020 22:53:59 GMT -5 oped said:

It could have been political against ATT and that impact and response could be what they were watching as well.

Hope not.

I suppose, but it feels more like a disgruntled ex-employee than someone who hates AT&T as their internet provider. The news I read said it took out internet and phone in the immediate area plus had disruptions nationwide. AT&T owns much of the backbone of the network. Anyone smart who liked their internet whether it was AT&T or not and lived in Nashville should not have put a bomb there. YMMV.

Anyone ‘smart’ planning a politically motivated takedown of services to enhance an attack would, however, want to put a bomb there? 

[deminmaine]

LOL, aren't conspiracy theories fun?

[oped]

Haven’t been for awhile now...

[oped]

Like this one? www.kktv.com/2020/12/23/lights-out-neo-nazi-plot-to-disable-power-grid-allegedly-included-attacking-sub-station-in-colorado/

[Opti]

Dec 25, 2020 23:53:02 GMT -5 oped said:

Dec 25, 2020 23:04:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

I suppose, but it feels more like a disgruntled ex-employee than someone who hates AT&T as their internet provider. The news I read said it took out internet and phone in the immediate area plus had disruptions nationwide. AT&T owns much of the backbone of the network. Anyone smart who liked their internet whether it was AT&T or not and lived in Nashville should not have put a bomb there. YMMV.

Anyone ‘smart’ planning a politically motivated takedown of services to enhance an attack would, however, want to put a bomb there? 

Gotcha. I guess what I was saying unless its a communications grid issue that is politically motivated, its a dumb thing to do if AT&T is your ISP and you are mad at them. Though there are many other possibilities including the internet grid fallout was unplanned. There are several businesses there. This is one of them.


www.meltingpot.com/nashville-tn/

It still feels more personal to me than political, but hopefully time will tell when they catch whomever. Whoever it was wanted to do damage, but preferred not to take people out too. I see it as a Merry F*ing Christmas to you too ... to someone/some business nearby
for personal reasons not political. Again, I might be wrong, but as a political attack its kind of a fail. No manifesto, no taking credit, no demand letter, nothing.

[flan327]

We don't own a gun...Indianapolis

I will say that my husband and I have discussed the matter but neither one of us is ready

We are both in our 60's

[thyme4change]

Dec 24, 2020 15:40:22 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Looking at the process that will take place on the 6th:

VP Pence will open an envelope with a state's electoral votes,  someone will read them,  Pence will ask if there are objections, for some states a written objection will be handed to him signed by at least one Representative and 9ne Senator, he will send the House and Senate to separate chambers with a two hour time limit to report back whether they uphold or reject the objection, during each of the two hour sessions members can talk for no longer than 5 minutes. So here is what I am curious about - What do the Democrats do in those 2 hour sessions in the Democratic controlled House? The Republican controlled Senate?

I think in the House they should have one member say,  "We will not be overturning this state's certified results" and then wait out whatever the GOP does and then vote to reject the objection. In other words, don't get drawn into any debate on conspiracy theories. I think in the Senate, members should offer personal stories about times they watched Joe work across the aisle and what a great President he will be.

I'd rather they just confirm the validity of the voting process. This has nothing to do with Biden - the important thing is to restore faith in voting.

[thyme4change]

Dec 25, 2020 14:12:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 25, 2020 11:48:26 GMT -5 Tiny said:

So many questions.... Does he ask if there are objections after each State's electoral votes are opened and read?    How many 2 hour session  will there be?   I'm guessing at least 4.   Does everyone have to STAY until the final count and Pence's final announcement?    Is there some loop hole the trump party hopes to exploit that occurs during the 2 hour sessions that can somehow effect the outcome?    

If it's one 2 hour session per state - will every Republican won state object making the counting last for days?  (Is there some time limit on when the electoral votes must be counted and can the Republicans push the count past that time limit?)  

OK.  I guess I need to google....     

With it being clearly stated I am not a definitive authority, I will give what I think are "correct" answers.

Yes to after each state and they split immediately to discuss. The written objections have to offer a basis for the why the votes should not be accepted. The substance of that can not be debated except in the split systems but should be a limiting factor in how many and which states are challenged. Georgia and Pennsylvania are locks. Arizona, Michigan and Nevada likely. Not sure who else. So I count 5 objections. A quorum would need to be retained but not sure force would be used if someone tried to leave.I assume there will be reasonable breaks taken for movement, bathroom and perhaps meals. With Pence presiding, I think decisions will be made that make it less painful. A Democrat could be more, "You want to drag this out? We will do it into the night while there is less of an audience for you." I have read nothing that has offered anything other than this will not change the result of Biden being elected.

At this link www.npr.org/2020/12/22/949134479/congress-role-in-election-results-heres-what-happens-jan-6 there is a link in the paragraph "If a senator does go along with a challenge, then the House and Senate retire to their own chambers, for a period of "not more than two hours," according to the Congressional Research Service, and members get up to five minutes to speak in favor or against the objection." which takes you to a great pdf file report.

AZ has 2 Democratic Senators. They won't join the objection, so without a Senator AZ won't officially object. (As I understand it - just reading the article you linked and I heard one other thing that said that, but wasn't sure what they were talking about.)

[oped]

Dec 26, 2020 9:32:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 25, 2020 23:53:02 GMT -5 oped said:

Anyone ‘smart’ planning a politically motivated takedown of services to enhance an attack would, however, want to put a bomb there? 

Gotcha. I guess what I was saying unless its a communications grid issue that is politically motivated, its a dumb thing to do if AT&T is your ISP and you are mad at them. Though there are many other possibilities including the internet grid fallout was unplanned. There are several businesses there. This is one of them.


www.meltingpot.com/nashville-tn/

It still feels more personal to me than political, but hopefully time will tell when they catch whomever. Whoever it was wanted to do damage, but preferred not to take people out too. I see it as a Merry F*ing Christmas to you too ... to someone/some business nearby
for personal reasons not political. Again, I might be wrong, but as a political attack its kind of a fail. No manifesto, no taking credit, no demand letter, nothing.

You don't take credit and deliver a manifesto if your motivation is to observe, or at an initial stage of a larger planned event.

This was a sophisticated operation. Honestly more so BECAUSE it was so carefully crafted to avoid human casualty. It was unique, well planned, and required a LOT of explosive material. The time release of gunshot sounds to get attention, amplified warning to get out of the area... these aren't generally the work of a person who is holding a personal rage based grudge (could be a cool customer, but taking the odds...?).

I am happy to be wrong. And happy to wait for results of investigations. However, we are reviewing plans for how to proceed if we should be separated without communication, both during regular conditions and emergency conditions, including EMP potential.

I do feel that in general the factions which support Trump over country tend towards disorganization and inefficiency... but I worry about the ones who don't transmit all their intentions over parler.

I understand I'm Cassandra in this fucking mess. I know I have the brain of a writer on anxiety. But I feel better preparing and not needing knowledge or resources, than in not preparing.

[thyme4change]

Dec 25, 2020 23:13:43 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I went to buy 9mm ammo to target practice with. Walmart had no ammo, the shelves were cleared.  There were a few boxes of 12 gauge shells.

Another guy told me Academy had nothing but 20 boxes of 22's.  He said you can't find ammunition anywhere, maybe we are sheep thinking the right won't do anything. I'm pretty worried. And that damn fist wave trump keeps doing I would bet is a signal to his followers.

I know approximately zero about the ammunition supply chain, but there are worldwide delays for literally millions of products due to the pandemic. Maybe people have bought all the bullets, or maybe there are less bullets to buy. My guess is that both are true.

[billisonboard]

Dec 26, 2020 9:54:15 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Dec 25, 2020 14:12:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

With it being clearly stated I am not a definitive authority, I will give what I think are "correct" answers.

Yes to after each state and they split immediately to discuss. The written objections have to offer a basis for the why the votes should not be accepted. The substance of that can not be debated except in the split systems but should be a limiting factor in how many and which states are challenged. Georgia and Pennsylvania are locks. Arizona, Michigan and Nevada likely. Not sure who else. So I count 5 objections. A quorum would need to be retained but not sure force would be used if someone tried to leave.I assume there will be reasonable breaks taken for movement, bathroom and perhaps meals. With Pence presiding, I think decisions will be made that make it less painful. A Democrat could be more, "You want to drag this out? We will do it into the night while there is less of an audience for you." I have read nothing that has offered anything other than this will not change the result of Biden being elected.

At this link www.npr.org/2020/12/22/949134479/congress-role-in-election-results-heres-what-happens-jan-6 there is a link in the paragraph "If a senator does go along with a challenge, then the House and Senate retire to their own chambers, for a period of "not more than two hours," according to the Congressional Research Service, and members get up to five minutes to speak in favor or against the objection." which takes you to a great pdf file report.

AZ has 2 Democratic Senators. They won't join the objection, so without a Senator AZ won't officially object. (As I understand it - just reading the article you linked and I heard one other thing that said that, but wasn't sure what they were talking about.)

It does not have to be a Senator nor Representative from the state involved in the objection. Any member from each chamber will do.

[Opti]

Dec 26, 2020 9:59:32 GMT -5 oped said:

Dec 26, 2020 9:32:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

Gotcha. I guess what I was saying unless its a communications grid issue that is politically motivated, its a dumb thing to do if AT&T is your ISP and you are mad at them. Though there are many other possibilities including the internet grid fallout was unplanned. There are several businesses there. This is one of them.


www.meltingpot.com/nashville-tn/

It still feels more personal to me than political, but hopefully time will tell when they catch whomever. Whoever it was wanted to do damage, but preferred not to take people out too. I see it as a Merry F*ing Christmas to you too ... to someone/some business nearby
for personal reasons not political. Again, I might be wrong, but as a political attack its kind of a fail. No manifesto, no taking credit, no demand letter, nothing.

You don't take credit and deliver a manifesto if your motivation is to observe, or at an initial stage of a larger planned event.

This was a sophisticated operation. Honestly more so BECAUSE it was so carefully crafted to avoid human casualty. It was unique, well planned, and required a LOT of explosive material. The time release of gunshot sounds to get attention, amplified warning to get out of the area... these aren't generally the work of a person who is holding a personal rage based grudge (could be a cool customer, but taking the odds...?).

I am happy to be wrong. And happy to wait for results of investigations. However, we are reviewing plans for how to proceed if we should be separated without communication, both during regular conditions and emergency conditions, including EMP potential.

I do feel that in general the factions which support Trump over country tend towards disorganization and inefficiency... but I worry about the ones who don't transmit all their intentions over parler.

I understand I'm Cassandra in this fucking mess. I know I have the brain of a writer on anxiety. But I feel better preparing and not needing knowledge or resources, than in not preparing.

We will have to wait and see. If you are doing a politically motivated test, why Nashville TN? Frustrated people have a lot of time to plan. Think of the guy whose meds weren't helping in Aurora Colorado. It was planned and it was rage. 

I don't think it was a Trumper, because why pick Christmas? Why ruin one of the things you say is sacred? 

I do agree whatever happens, it is a call for local, state, and federal governments to plan on how to restore services, strengthen the grid and better protect important parts of the network. 

[Opti]

Trump also won TN easily. He did not triumph in Nashville, but really flipping it to Trump would have made no real difference. It will be interesting to see what we find out about the bombing and when.


www.politico.com/2020-election/results/tennessee/

[Opti]

I am not worried about demonstrations on Jan. 6th, although I know there are Trump supporters here. I think if there is concern, it should be Washington D.C., Michigan, and Oregon. Places which are already on the RW radar. 

[happyhoix]

Dec 26, 2020 10:39:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 26, 2020 9:59:32 GMT -5 oped said:

You don't take credit and deliver a manifesto if your motivation is to observe, or at an initial stage of a larger planned event.

This was a sophisticated operation. Honestly more so BECAUSE it was so carefully crafted to avoid human casualty. It was unique, well planned, and required a LOT of explosive material. The time release of gunshot sounds to get attention, amplified warning to get out of the area... these aren't generally the work of a person who is holding a personal rage based grudge (could be a cool customer, but taking the odds...?).

I am happy to be wrong. And happy to wait for results of investigations. However, we are reviewing plans for how to proceed if we should be separated without communication, both during regular conditions and emergency conditions, including EMP potential.

I do feel that in general the factions which support Trump over country tend towards disorganization and inefficiency... but I worry about the ones who don't transmit all their intentions over parler.

I understand I'm Cassandra in this fucking mess. I know I have the brain of a writer on anxiety. But I feel better preparing and not needing knowledge or resources, than in not preparing.

We will have to wait and see. If you are doing a politically motivated test, why Nashville TN? Frustrated people have a lot of time to plan. Think of the guy whose meds weren't helping in Aurora Colorado. It was planned and it was rage. 

I don't think it was a Trumper, because why pick Christmas? Why ruin one of the things you say is sacred? 

I do agree whatever happens, it is a call for local, state, and federal governments to plan on how to restore services, strengthen the grid and better protect important parts of the network. 

I think whoever did this wanted to ensure no people were hurt - they picked a date and time that downtown Nashville would be pretty empty. Nashville has a thriving restaurant/bar scene downtown, so any evening hours would. Have been bad, as well as normal office hours. 

I’m hoping whoever did it has a personal grudge against some company in the area (or maybe AT and T itself) along with some military or police experience that allowed him to construct a bomb. Hope this isn’t any kind of organized test run. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 26, 2020 10:39:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 26, 2020 9:59:32 GMT -5 oped said:

You don't take credit and deliver a manifesto if your motivation is to observe, or at an initial stage of a larger planned event.

This was a sophisticated operation. Honestly more so BECAUSE it was so carefully crafted to avoid human casualty. It was unique, well planned, and required a LOT of explosive material. The time release of gunshot sounds to get attention, amplified warning to get out of the area... these aren't generally the work of a person who is holding a personal rage based grudge (could be a cool customer, but taking the odds...?).

I am happy to be wrong. And happy to wait for results of investigations. However, we are reviewing plans for how to proceed if we should be separated without communication, both during regular conditions and emergency conditions, including EMP potential.

I do feel that in general the factions which support Trump over country tend towards disorganization and inefficiency... but I worry about the ones who don't transmit all their intentions over parler.

I understand I'm Cassandra in this fucking mess. I know I have the brain of a writer on anxiety. But I feel better preparing and not needing knowledge or resources, than in not preparing.

We will have to wait and see. If you are doing a politically motivated test, why Nashville TN? Frustrated people have a lot of time to plan. Think of the guy whose meds weren't helping in Aurora Colorado. It was planned and it was rage. 

I don't think it was a Trumper, because why pick Christmas? Why ruin one of the things you say is sacred? 

I do agree whatever happens, it is a call for local, state, and federal governments to plan on how to restore services, strengthen the grid and better protect important parts of the network. 

Any time but especially January 5th/6th (and January 19th/20th), the security around sensitive sites effecting the DC area was already going to be significant different than downtown Nashville December 24th/25th. You cruise around in those areas in a RV or truck you will be checked out. You park it and attempt to abandon it, you won't be able to get ten feet away from it before you are confronted. If this bombing has any connection to any plan for any action concerning the Electoral College count day protest (the topic of the thread) or any larger action, it offers little if any benefit for law enforcement to study it for important details.

[oped]

Communications are still down in areas impacting 3 states. 911 is offline in many places, hospitals and banking have been impacted as well as phone, cable and internet. There is no redundancy of systems. Its been 24 hours. The president hasn't even commented. And this is 'only Nashville'... 


We are all in an abusive relationship with a malignant narcissist, wannabe dictator, with tons of power who continues to call out his followers to subvert the law in his defense. 

Most women don't die leaving an abusive relationship, but 75% of women who die do so when they try to leave an abusive relationship. 

We are in the most dangerous transition period of our lives, of our republic. Could it all go on without a hitch? Maybe. I've been positively surprised so far. I would love if this turns out to be just growing pains in a process that holds. Maybe this bomb was an elaborate suicide unrelated to anything else but a guy getting fired from a local restaurant? ... 

But you don't survive leaving a narcissist by ignoring his potential. 

[dondub]

Dec 26, 2020 8:29:45 GMT -5 oped said:

Like this one? www.kktv.com/2020/12/23/lights-out-neo-nazi-plot-to-disable-power-grid-allegedly-included-attacking-sub-station-in-colorado/

This was done in California and remains unsolved.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack

[oped]

So was it a conspiracy theory?

[Tiny]

Dec 26, 2020 10:57:38 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 26, 2020 10:39:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

We will have to wait and see. If you are doing a politically motivated test, why Nashville TN? Frustrated people have a lot of time to plan. Think of the guy whose meds weren't helping in Aurora Colorado. It was planned and it was rage. 

I don't think it was a Trumper, because why pick Christmas? Why ruin one of the things you say is sacred? 

I do agree whatever happens, it is a call for local, state, and federal governments to plan on how to restore services, strengthen the grid and better protect important parts of the network. 

I think whoever did this wanted to ensure no people were hurt - they picked a date and time that downtown Nashville would be pretty empty. Nashville has a thriving restaurant/bar scene downtown, so any evening hours would. Have been bad, as well as normal office hours. 

I’m hoping whoever did it has a personal grudge against some company in the area (or maybe AT and T itself) along with some military or police experience that allowed him to construct a bomb. Hope this isn’t any kind of organized test run. 

I have a problem believing that. I'm thinking they were totally OK with some people getting hurt. Who spends all that time and effort and thought to create a BOMB that perhaps they are hoping will take down a buildings curtain wall and assumes a warning will prevent loss of life? That's something out of superhero movie or kids cartoon.

I will grant you that maybe they didn't want to kill crowds of people (not the purpose of the bomb)  - but I'm pretty sure they rationalized that it was OK if some people did get killed (hey, they were warned, it's their own fault they died.)

I wonder if the bomb went off too early or too late? I'm guessing there's video of the driver (and any others) parking and leaving the van. I wonder how long it will be before they catch them.  I wonder where the "get away vehicle" was?   I wonder if there's video of that. 

[thyme4change]

Dec 26, 2020 10:10:07 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 26, 2020 9:54:15 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

AZ has 2 Democratic Senators. They won't join the objection, so without a Senator AZ won't officially object. (As I understand it - just reading the article you linked and I heard one other thing that said that, but wasn't sure what they were talking about.)

It does not have to be a Senator nor Representative from the state involved in the objection. Any member from each chamber will do.

Oh Jesus. They better have a metric shit ton of monster energy on hand. They are going to be there a long time.

Let's see how much control McConnell has over his party.

[oped]

Lets see if its actually McConnell's party...

[billisonboard]

I think Tuberville is the wild card. We are talking about a newly elected Senator who misnamed the three branches of the federal government and which political ideology the US fought against in WWII. 

[oped]

I'm actually on the fence. It might be effective for the Republican party to have to formally choose sides on this. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 26, 2020 14:19:00 GMT -5 oped said:

I'm actually on the fence. It might be effective for the Republican party to have to formally choose sides on this. 

I am curious on this idea of "effective". What effect do you think it would have and on whom?