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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 13, 2020 19:02:41 GMT -5
Aren't the individual states deciding on prioritization ? Yes. What I saw was people in lines of succession in the government are getting it. I think letting states decide is fine. There is no clear best way. It will be an experiment and see which approach seemed to be more effective
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2020 20:31:10 GMT -5
Aren't the individual states deciding on prioritization ? To meet the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed (OWS) goals, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and Department of Defense (DoD) today announced agreements with CVS and Walgreens to provide and administer COVID-19 vaccines to residents of long-term care facilities (LTCF) nationwide with no out-of-pocket costs. link This reads like there is a federal system to provide the vaccine directly to long term care facilities. Perhaps apart from state programs?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 13, 2020 21:03:43 GMT -5
Aren't the individual states deciding on prioritization ? To meet the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed (OWS) goals, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and Department of Defense (DoD) today announced agreements with CVS and Walgreens to provide and administer COVID-19 vaccines to residents of long-term care facilities (LTCF) nationwide with no out-of-pocket costs. link This reads like there is a federal system to provide the vaccine directly to long term care facilities. Perhaps apart from state programs? k Not sure how that part is working. I know in my town the hess are th department is helping the hospital vaccinate. They plan on doing the nursing home employees. Not sure if they would also do the residents as well if they get enough vaccine. Just another exss as mole of the chaos the whole year is. I still think letting states prioritize makes sense. Different strategies can be analyzed and see if one is more successful
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Post by Blonde Granny on Dec 14, 2020 9:35:00 GMT -5
So, my question is this: The vaccine is now given quickly while some of us wait for a few months. That said, If I get the vaccine this week, how soon does it take affect? Am I still going to sit at home for 90 days or so ?
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Post by justme on Dec 14, 2020 10:21:17 GMT -5
So, my question is this: The vaccine is now given quickly while some of us wait for a few months. That said, If I get the vaccine this week, how soon does it take affect? Am I still going to sit at home for 90 days or so ? Well, it's a 2 shot vaccine. So at least the 30 days between the two shots.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 14, 2020 11:41:23 GMT -5
So, my question is this: The vaccine is now given quickly while some of us wait for a few months. That said, If I get the vaccine this week, how soon does it take affect? Am I still going to sit at home for 90 days or so ? You start developing antibodies 10 days after first dose. It appears to be 50% effective after the first dose, 90-95% after second. There is a 3 week interval between doses for the Pfizer vaccine and 4 weeks with the Moderna. The vaccine is in short supply, so decisions as to how to best use it are going to have to be made, and will continue to be made given the large number of doses needed and our manufacturing capabilities
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Post by Blonde Granny on Dec 14, 2020 11:57:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I don't know if the VA will be getting on their own or piggy back on the nearest large hospital. Also curious regarding where the volunteers stand in this. We are designated as Non-compensated employees.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Dec 14, 2020 13:13:48 GMT -5
I don't know if you are getting the same as us but ours are in boxes of 9,000 and once opened they can't be kept. So rather than waste anything, they are dosing the people they want to dose (because of their vulnerability) ..... then its a rush to use them up with health workers and others.
We have 800,000 doses, which is our allocation for now.... and they'll hopefully be out before Christmas. Then what happens I'm not too sure ... we were hoping for the Oxford vaccine but no news yet from the regulator.
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Post by haapai on Dec 15, 2020 8:41:30 GMT -5
Prioritizing the mos vulnerable volunteers and jabbing the medical staff with anything that's threatening to go bad isn't a bad strategy. It only sounds slipshod. Next week we're supposed to begin vaccinating the staff and elderly residents of long-term care facilities and I don't think that we've done enough planning. We could waste a lot of vaccine if we don't get a firm handle on how many residents will have the proper paperwork and how many staff are willing to be vaccinated with the leftovers.
I'm hoping for the Oxford/Astra-Zeneca vaccine too! It's the vaccine that a spread-out, vaccine-hesitant country needs to beat this disease.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Dec 15, 2020 13:52:14 GMT -5
Yes the pfizer vaccine is good but it has storage challenges.
Once thawed from the -70.. they are saying it has to be used within 3 1/2 days
Not a lot of time really... and getting elderly people anywhere quickly.... is also not easy.
We have seen pop-up clinics appearing to try to increase the offering as much as possible.
We'll all have to do the best we can.
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Post by irishpad on Dec 15, 2020 14:26:43 GMT -5
Because of the major logistics involved in dispensing the vaccine, I thought it was a great decision to have the military involved in the process as they constantly deal with logistic issues.
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Post by jerseygirl on Dec 16, 2020 23:00:14 GMT -5
FDA is reviewing the Moderna vaccine tomorrow and very likely approval by late Friday as was the Pfizer vaccine. So many more doses will be available soon and the Modena vaccine doesn’t require the very low freezer use.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 17, 2020 20:59:03 GMT -5
1 hour ago. (CNN) Vaccine advisers to the US Food and Drug Administration voted easily and quickly to recommend that the agency give emergency use authorization to Moderna's coronavirus vaccine -- but not without a lengthy side discussion about whether volunteers in the clinical trial who got placebo shots should be offered the vaccine early.www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/health/moderna-covid-vaccine-fda-vrbpac-vote/index.html Any ideas on what the argument would be why they shouldn't be near the front of the line? Okay, limited supply and front line workers needing them but still.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 17, 2020 21:58:50 GMT -5
Any ideas on what the argument would be why they shouldn't be near the front of the line? Okay, limited supply and front line workers needing them but still. I don't know why VRBPAC was even discussing distribution. Your link describes it as a "side discussion". Perhaps they discussed it because it involved an issue that interested them. Speaking of which, any ideas on what the argument would be why they shouldn't be near the front of the line? I ask because it is an issue that interests me.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 17, 2020 22:29:22 GMT -5
I don't know why VRBPAC was even discussing distribution. Your link describes it as a "side discussion". Perhaps they discussed it because it involved an issue that interested them. Speaking of which, any ideas on what the argument would be why they shouldn't be near the front of the line? I ask because it is an issue that interests me. If you want to see if immunity wanes or what the medium term side effects are, if you do not vaccinate them, you have a control group to compare them to. It is controversial to say the least, but it is the best way to get accurate data. Not sure it is ethical to not vaccinate them, but leaving them unvaccinated allows the study to continue
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Post by justme on Dec 17, 2020 22:45:47 GMT -5
My friend was in the Pfizer trial and it did say that if you were in the control and the vaccine was approved they would give you the vaccine. Didn't attach a specific time to it. He mentioned something about people talking about when they'd be informed if they didn't get the vaccine, but he hasn't heard anything yet. (Though like I've mentioned, based on him having the anti bodies and never testing positive for covid and not having antibodies before the trial he thinks he got it so not super concerned lol)
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 17, 2020 22:52:58 GMT -5
I personally think they should get it at the same time as someone like me. Sometimes getting more data is not worth treating people as a means to an end. They took a risk, they should get the benefit, and if the experiment needs to be terminated, so be it
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 18, 2020 10:02:47 GMT -5
I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots. Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm.
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Post by teen persuasion on Dec 18, 2020 11:18:38 GMT -5
I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots. Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm. I watched this morning, too. Surprised to see Pence's wife get one - a coworker and I were discussing the priority groups. Both of us have teacher spouses, who are higher priority. We both wondered about whether family units should be vaccinated, not just individuals based on front line worker status. Think Carl - shouldn't his whole family get vaccinated, not just him? He brings the threat of infection home with him daily...
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 18, 2020 19:19:37 GMT -5
I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots. Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm. I watched this morning, too. Surprised to see Pence's wife get one - a coworker and I were discussing the priority groups. Both of us have teacher spouses, who are higher priority. We both wondered about whether family units should be vaccinated, not just individuals based on front line worker status. Think Carl - shouldn't his whole family get vaccinated, not just him? He brings the threat of infection home with him daily... The problem is the supply. No matter how we do it, there is not enough to go around. Any decision regarding how to decide is going to be open to criticism and hsve trade offs. Since there is no data to tell us how best to do it, all we have is our best “guess” on what will be most effective
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 18, 2020 19:20:12 GMT -5
My wife feels the same way
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Post by andi9899 on Dec 18, 2020 19:41:43 GMT -5
My wife feels the same way So do I.
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Post by justme on Dec 18, 2020 23:23:53 GMT -5
I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots. Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm. It still pisses me off to no end that someone who refuses to meet alone with a woman was allowed to hold the place of VP. I know the people voted him in and all that shit, but not having rules against meeting with half the planet. Like fuck him, how can he do his job with those restrictions?
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Post by flan327 on Dec 19, 2020 9:10:12 GMT -5
But his "Mommy" was there too 😷
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Post by flan327 on Dec 19, 2020 9:10:46 GMT -5
I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots. Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm. It still pisses me off to no end that someone who refuses to meet alone with a woman was allowed to hold the place of VP. I know the people voted him in and all that shit, but not having rules against meeting with half the planet. Like fuck him, how can he do his job with those restrictions? Obviously he can't do his job
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 19, 2020 13:01:12 GMT -5
Vice-President Mike Pence appeared before the cameras today to take his vaccine dose. But then, perhaps in an effort to erase any ill feelings he might cause by tacitly acknowledging the coronavirus pandemic as a very big danger, announced, “As President Trump often says, we are rounding the corner.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/pence-we-are-rounding-the-corner-on-coronavirus-again/ar-BB1c33tl?ocid=msedgntpI don't really see how that man can look himself in the mirror, let alone quote Trump on the pandemic. I would like to put every bad word I know in this post!
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Post by flan327 on Dec 19, 2020 16:15:41 GMT -5
I live in Indianapolis
Pence is Trump's insurance policy
I've always been convinced of that
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