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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 19, 2020 16:19:20 GMT -5
Vice-President Mike Pence appeared before the cameras today to take his vaccine dose. But then, perhaps in an effort to erase any ill feelings he might cause by tacitly acknowledging the coronavirus pandemic as a very big danger, announced, “As President Trump often says, we are rounding the corner.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/pence-we-are-rounding-the-corner-on-coronavirus-again/ar-BB1c33tl?ocid=msedgntpI don't really see how that man can look himself in the mirror, let alone quote Trump on the pandemic. I would like to put every bad word I know in this post! It is amazing how much people will prostitute themselves for power, even to the point of disregarding everything they claim to believe in. My wife never liked him, but she has had serious hate towards him since he did his maskless photo op at the Mayo Clinic this spring. We both like st lots of respect for Mayo as a result of that
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Post by flan327 on Dec 19, 2020 16:22:21 GMT -5
Pence gives Christians a bad name
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Post by dondub on Dec 19, 2020 16:24:07 GMT -5
Vice-President Mike Pence appeared before the cameras today to take his vaccine dose. But then, perhaps in an effort to erase any ill feelings he might cause by tacitly acknowledging the coronavirus pandemic as a very big danger, announced, “As President Trump often says, we are rounding the corner.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/pence-we-are-rounding-the-corner-on-coronavirus-again/ar-BB1c33tl?ocid=msedgntpI don't really see how that man can look himself in the mirror, let alone quote Trump on the pandemic. I would like to put every bad word I know in this post! It is amazing how much people will prostitute themselves for power, even to the point of disregarding everything they claim to believe in. My wife never liked him, but she has had serious hate towards him since he did his maskless photo op at the Mayo Clinic this spring. We both like st lots of respect for Mayo as a result of that Mayo forgot that he works for us and could have been ordered to wear a mask or denied admission. They blew it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 19, 2020 16:26:24 GMT -5
It is amazing how much people will prostitute themselves for power, even to the point of disregarding everything they claim to believe in. My wife never liked him, but she has had serious hate towards him since he did his maskless photo op at the Mayo Clinic this spring. We both like st lots of respect for Mayo as a result of that Mayo forgot that he works for us and could have been ordered to wear a mask or denied admission. They blew it. Without a doubt. They were worried about how it would look to say know to the VP, instead of standing up for the medical community and practicing good medicine. An unforgivable decision in my opinion
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 20, 2020 9:35:12 GMT -5
I live in Indianapolis Pence is Trump's insurance policy I've always been convinced of that my sympathies. I can see why you like Miami, now.
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Post by flan327 on Dec 20, 2020 10:15:26 GMT -5
I live in Indianapolis Pence is Trump's insurance policy I've always been convinced of that my sympathies. I can see why you like Miami, now.
I hate Miami Love West Palm Beach 🏖🏖🏖
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 20, 2020 12:04:09 GMT -5
my sympathies. I can see why you like Miami, now.
I hate Miami Love West Palm Beach 🏖🏖🏖 that is where the worst poster on our board lives. it is all Florida to me.
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Post by flan327 on Dec 20, 2020 12:30:44 GMT -5
I hate Miami Love West Palm Beach 🏖🏖🏖 that is where the worst poster on our board lives. it is all Florida to me.
Well...is Texas ALL the same? Even Indiana has REGIONS North is industrial except for Nappanee Indianapolis is known for the 500 but we also have a great zoo and Eagle Creek Park and the Murat theater and the Central Library And the lights on the Soldiers and Sailors monument
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 20, 2020 17:38:59 GMT -5
Prioritizing the mos vulnerable volunteers and jabbing the medical staff with anything that's threatening to go bad isn't a bad strategy. It only sounds slipshod. Next week we're supposed to begin vaccinating the staff and elderly residents of long-term care facilities and I don't think that we've done enough planning. We could waste a lot of vaccine if we don't get a firm handle on how many residents will have the proper paperwork and how many staff are willing to be vaccinated with the leftovers.
I'm hoping for the Oxford/Astra-Zeneca vaccine too! It's the vaccine that a spread-out, vaccine-hesitant country needs to beat this disease.
I am not sure I agree with adding in volunteers. I would think essential personnel should always be prioritized over volunteers. Followed by the most vulnerable, and in this group I would also prioritize by ability to get away from danger, so people in care facilities over volunteers. Make no mistake, I deeply respect the work volunteers do but this is a time where necessity needs to win out over all else. Now, if we get to a point where we have plenty of vaccines for the population at large I see nothing wrong with letting volunteers get to the head of the line, but not before we reach that point
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 20, 2020 20:31:03 GMT -5
that is where the worst poster on our board lives. it is all Florida to me.
Well...is Texas ALL the same? Even Indiana has REGIONS North is industrial except for Nappanee Indianapolis is known for the 500 but we also have a great zoo and Eagle Creek Park and the Murat theater and the Central Library And the lights on the Soldiers and Sailors monument I have visited most of Florida. Tampa. St Pete. Miami. the Panhandle. The Keys.
no fucking mountains, tons of mosquitoes, horrific weather 9 months out of the year.
but to each their own. my aunt and uncle lived there happily for many years. actually my uncle lived there happily. my aunt was miserable. but it was more because of my uncle than Florida.
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Post by flan327 on Dec 20, 2020 22:16:04 GMT -5
I actually prefer Hilton Head
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Post by haapai on Dec 21, 2020 14:35:00 GMT -5
Prioritizing the mos vulnerable volunteers and jabbing the medical staff with anything that's threatening to go bad isn't a bad strategy. It only sounds slipshod. Next week we're supposed to begin vaccinating the staff and elderly residents of long-term care facilities and I don't think that we've done enough planning. We could waste a lot of vaccine if we don't get a firm handle on how many residents will have the proper paperwork and how many staff are willing to be vaccinated with the leftovers.
I'm hoping for the Oxford/Astra-Zeneca vaccine too! It's the vaccine that a spread-out, vaccine-hesitant country needs to beat this disease.
I am not sure I agree with adding in volunteers. I would think essential personnel should always be prioritized over volunteers. Followed by the most vulnerable, and in this group I would also prioritize by ability to get away from danger, so people in care facilities over volunteers. Make no mistake, I deeply respect the work volunteers do but this is a time where necessity needs to win out over all else. Now, if we get to a point where we have plenty of vaccines for the population at large I see nothing wrong with letting volunteers get to the head of the line, but not before we reach that point I have spoken poorly. I should have used a few more words.
I should have spoken of how, given the handling constraints of the Pfizer vaccine, administering the shot to the the most vulnerable people (in this case elderly persons) who have done what they need to do in order to get vaccinated and using up anything in danger of being wasted by jabbing health care workers is pretty sensible. I think that the word "volunteer" snuck into that sentence because it takes a bit of effort for even the most vulnerable elderly person to get everything in order to get vaccinated. In that sense, the first elderly persons to get vaccinated are "volunteers". They don't need persuasion and they have taken it upon themselves to get their paperwork completed in order to get the vaccination.
FWIW, I am in the US and my choice of words reflects something about how the US does healthcare. The paperwork that must be signed and the hoops that must be jumped through in order to get the simplest and most necessary medical care can be extremely confusing and frustrating.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 21, 2020 14:47:20 GMT -5
We have given the Health Department some of the leftovers we would have so it doesn't go to waste.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2020 12:52:49 GMT -5
Vice-President Mike Pence appeared before the cameras today to take his vaccine dose. But then, perhaps in an effort to erase any ill feelings he might cause by tacitly acknowledging the coronavirus pandemic as a very big danger, announced, “ As President Trump often says, we are rounding the corner.”www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/pence-we-are-rounding-the-corner-on-coronavirus-again/ar-BB1c33tl?ocid=msedgntpI don't really see how that man can look himself in the mirror, let alone quote Trump on the pandemic. I would like to put every bad word I know in this post! no. as the president has been saying for six months, "we are rounding the corner". only there is no evidence we are rounding the corner. we are dying at the rate of 3000 Americans per day. the worst since the Spanish Flu. worse than WW2. a 911 every fucking day.
that is not "rounding the corner", jackass, unless you are rounding it into a dark alley full of MS13 and loaded weapons.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 3, 2021 10:55:01 GMT -5
We have given the Health Department some of the leftovers we would have so it doesn't go to waste. There was a big stink in the nearby city this weekend when people lined up in their cars for up to six hours to try to get a vaccine for an elderly family member. After sitting their for hours, the site announced they had no more vaccine and everyone had to go home. Then several hours later, someone noticed that cars were still entering and leaving the vaccine site, and it turns out, they had some vaccine that hadn’t been completely used up, but it would go bad if not used immediately, so people working at the site called friends and family to come by and get a vaccine. One woman was on TV complaining that she waited in her car for five hours trying to get her 92 year old mother a vaccine, only to be turned away without one. She was upset that 1) they didn’t make an effort to count how many vaccines they had and how many people were waiting in line hoping to get one (why not cut off the line and tell the rest of the people coming that there was no point to wait) and 2) how did they get the number of vaccines so wrong so that they ended up with extra that they ended up giving to random people who weren’t really high on the list of needing it? Seems like a shit show at the local level.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jan 3, 2021 11:25:33 GMT -5
We have given the Health Department some of the leftovers we would have so it doesn't go to waste. There was a big stink in the nearby city this weekend when people lined up in their cars for up to six hours to try to get a vaccine for an elderly family member. After sitting their for hours, the site announced they had no more vaccine and everyone had to go home. Then several hours later, someone noticed that cars were still entering and leaving the vaccine site, and it turns out, they had some vaccine that hadn’t been completely used up, but it would go bad if not used immediately, so people working at the site called friends and family to come by and get a vaccine. One woman was on TV complaining that she waited in her car for five hours trying to get her 92 year old mother a vaccine, only to be turned away without one. She was upset that 1) they didn’t make an effort to count how many vaccines they had and how many people were waiting in line hoping to get one (why not cut off the line and tell the rest of the people coming that there was no point to wait) and 2) how did they get the number of vaccines so wrong so that they ended up with extra that they ended up giving to random people who weren’t really high on the list of needing it? Seems like a shit show at the local level. These scenarios sound like a mess. As to the counting, the Moderna vaccine gives the number of vaccine doses that the label says. So, either someone needs to go back to grammar school and learn math again, or they lied. The Pfizer vaccine is funny. Some vials yield an extra dose, but it cannot be assumed that any one would. The only way to know would be to draw it up. So you could have some extra. But they should have had an idea of the number of vaccines, and had a sign up sheet so they could have control of the situation. Some people in line may have been turned away for medical reasons. But it should have been handled better
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 3, 2021 12:14:22 GMT -5
There was a big stink in the nearby city this weekend when people lined up in their cars for up to six hours to try to get a vaccine for an elderly family member. After sitting their for hours, the site announced they had no more vaccine and everyone had to go home. Then several hours later, someone noticed that cars were still entering and leaving the vaccine site, and it turns out, they had some vaccine that hadn’t been completely used up, but it would go bad if not used immediately, so people working at the site called friends and family to come by and get a vaccine. One woman was on TV complaining that she waited in her car for five hours trying to get her 92 year old mother a vaccine, only to be turned away without one. She was upset that 1) they didn’t make an effort to count how many vaccines they had and how many people were waiting in line hoping to get one (why not cut off the line and tell the rest of the people coming that there was no point to wait) and 2) how did they get the number of vaccines so wrong so that they ended up with extra that they ended up giving to random people who weren’t really high on the list of needing it? Seems like a shit show at the local level. These scenarios sound like a mess. As to the counting, the Moderna vaccine gives the number of vaccine doses that the label says. So, either someone needs to go back to grammar school and learn math again, or they lied. The Pfizer vaccine is funny. Some vials yield an extra dose, but it cannot be assumed that any one would. The only way to know would be to draw it up. So you could have some extra. But they should have had an idea of the number of vaccines, and had a sign up sheet so they could have control of the situation. Some people in line may have been turned away for medical reasons. But it should have been handled better I know that when I was ordering biologicals in a vial, I could be guaranteed that there was at least 1 ml in the vial. That was the absolute minimum. But when I would aliquot the vial out into what I needed for an assay, I could get a bit more than what I paid for (when the vial was first thawed, it would get doled out per assay to avoid repeated freeze/thaw cycles). So if I normally should get 20 aliquots from a vial, I could sometimes get 21 or 22. No guarantee if it, but it was a nice surprise, considering that ml cost $700. Even if I ordered 2 vials from the same lot, there was no guarantee there would be extra in the second vial if there was in the first.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jan 3, 2021 12:41:31 GMT -5
These scenarios sound like a mess. As to the counting, the Moderna vaccine gives the number of vaccine doses that the label says. So, either someone needs to go back to grammar school and learn math again, or they lied. The Pfizer vaccine is funny. Some vials yield an extra dose, but it cannot be assumed that any one would. The only way to know would be to draw it up. So you could have some extra. But they should have had an idea of the number of vaccines, and had a sign up sheet so they could have control of the situation. Some people in line may have been turned away for medical reasons. But it should have been handled better I know that when I was ordering biologicals in a vial, I could be guaranteed that there was at least 1 ml in the vial. That was the absolute minimum. But when I would aliquot the vial out into what I needed for an assay, I could get a bit more than what I paid for (when the vial was first thawed, it would get doled out per assay to avoid repeated freeze/thaw cycles). So if I normally should get 20 aliquots from a vial, I could sometimes get 21 or 22. No guarantee if it, but it was a nice surprise, considering that ml cost $700. Even if I ordered 2 vials from the same lot, there was no guarantee there would be extra in the second vial if there was in the first. That seems to be what is happening with the Pfizer vaccine. So if you plan to give x doses, as you take them out of the vials, at the end of the day you could have 5 extra. Can't waste them, so there needs to be some way to utilize them. In that instance, it may seem like someone cut the line, if you are not careful as to how they are used.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 3, 2021 13:15:53 GMT -5
I get it, as I have had to eke every last ul from a vial.
It might make more sense to draw up doses all at one time in order to get the most from each vial. If you pull 10 vials from the freezer, that means 10? doses (assuming 1 ml/dose). This way, you get the most doses with the least waste.
The problem is, you have one person drawing up 10? syringes, which gets old very fast. It’s how we used to set things up for clinical studies on the monkeys. Those 50 monkeys on study got 2 injections each day, so for a weeks dosing we were drawing up 700 syringes.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jan 3, 2021 14:01:12 GMT -5
I get it, as I have had to eke every last ul from a vial. It might make more sense to draw up doses all at one time in order to get the most from each vial. If you pull 10 vials from the freezer, that means 10? doses (assuming 1 ml/dose). This way, you get the most doses with the least waste. The problem is, you have one person drawing up 10? syringes, which gets old very fast. It’s how we used to set things up for clinical studies on the monkeys. Those 50 monkeys on study got 2 injections each day, so for a weeks dosing we were drawing up 700 syringes. You get to do things in a less regulated way with monkeys, compared to dealing with state pharmacy regulations. And with the storage requirements, once thawed they have to be used within a certain short window. Reason we called the health department when we had extra doses, as we were scheduling people to avoid a large crowd
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 3, 2021 15:38:24 GMT -5
There was a big stink in the nearby city this weekend when people lined up in their cars for up to six hours to try to get a vaccine for an elderly family member. After sitting their for hours, the site announced they had no more vaccine and everyone had to go home. Then several hours later, someone noticed that cars were still entering and leaving the vaccine site, and it turns out, they had some vaccine that hadn’t been completely used up, but it would go bad if not used immediately, so people working at the site called friends and family to come by and get a vaccine. One woman was on TV complaining that she waited in her car for five hours trying to get her 92 year old mother a vaccine, only to be turned away without one. She was upset that 1) they didn’t make an effort to count how many vaccines they had and how many people were waiting in line hoping to get one (why not cut off the line and tell the rest of the people coming that there was no point to wait) and 2) how did they get the number of vaccines so wrong so that they ended up with extra that they ended up giving to random people who weren’t really high on the list of needing it? Seems like a shit show at the local level. These scenarios sound like a mess. As to the counting, the Moderna vaccine gives the number of vaccine doses that the label says. So, either someone needs to go back to grammar school and learn math again, or they lied. The Pfizer vaccine is funny. Some vials yield an extra dose, but it cannot be assumed that any one would. The only way to know would be to draw it up. So you could have some extra. But they should have had an idea of the number of vaccines, and had a sign up sheet so they could have control of the situation. Some people in line may have been turned away for medical reasons. But it should have been handled better The main complaint seems to be that they told everyone in line to go home, they were all out of doses, and then after everyone left, they had extra for friends and family. They should have waited to make sure they had given out every available shot before they sent everyone home. Now it looks like they held some back for their buddies who maybe didn’t need it as badly as that 90 year old lady waiting in line. I doubt that’s what happened, but it does look bad.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jan 3, 2021 16:02:58 GMT -5
These scenarios sound like a mess. As to the counting, the Moderna vaccine gives the number of vaccine doses that the label says. So, either someone needs to go back to grammar school and learn math again, or they lied. The Pfizer vaccine is funny. Some vials yield an extra dose, but it cannot be assumed that any one would. The only way to know would be to draw it up. So you could have some extra. But they should have had an idea of the number of vaccines, and had a sign up sheet so they could have control of the situation. Some people in line may have been turned away for medical reasons. But it should have been handled better The main complaint seems to be that they told everyone in line to go home, they were all out of doses, and then after everyone left, they had extra for friends and family. They should have waited to make sure they had given out every available shot before they sent everyone home. Now it looks like they held some back for their buddies who maybe didn’t need it as badly as that 90 year old lady waiting in line. I doubt that’s what happened, but it does look bad. It does look bad. How bad depends on which vaccine. If it was the Moderna vaccine, they knew exactly how many doses there were, and they deliberately held some back from people who wanted one. Which is why they should have scheduled appointments and not had a free for all, it would have not been as obvious as they thought. With the Pfizer one, it may have been innocent, in that they shut the line off at a certain time, finished the clinic, and the realized they got more doses out of some of the vials, and did not want to waste some. Not great, but not nefarious
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Post by kadee79 on Jan 3, 2021 22:44:11 GMT -5
One article I read earlier said it was the Moderna vaccine. I have a friend who lives close & her county ran out too...but she said they knew how many they had and counted folks in the cars & told those who wouldn't get it today to come back in 2 days...they were supposed to have another delivery. But they were counting heads before they turned anyone away in her county.
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