Vaccine...who, where, when?

[kadee79]

Beside those in the WH getting shots before anyone else....I'll have to go look it up, but have heard this already...

Washington — Operation Warp Speed, the government's vaccine effort, is instructing clinics administering the Pfizer vaccine to wait until later this month to inoculate elderly residents at long-term care facilities, even though doses will be arriving in all 50 states this week and despite the CDC's recommendation that the elderly be prioritized given their vulnerability to the coronavirus.

CBS News has obtained two Operation Warp Speed documents produced by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) with guidance for CVS and Walgreens, the pharmacy partners charged with carrying out the vaccination of residents at long-term care facilities. HHS explicitly instructs providers that the "earliest the program can turn on is Dec 21st," referring to administering the Pfizer vaccine. The rate of infection at nursing homes has been spiking in recent weeks, which makes that a potentially costly delay.

On "Face the Nation" on Sunday, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar described the rollout as a "turnkey vaccination" effort and denied delaying the start date for long-term care facilities. CBS News obtained the HHS documents spelling out the December 21 start date following the interview.

"We're not actually asking the nursing homes to wait. And we were able to have a really good discussion with CVS leadership about this misunderstanding that they had at the president's vaccine distribution summit," Azar said, stating that vaccinations can start "really any day" and adding that all nursing home residents could be vaccinated by Christmas.

Hackensack Meridian Health CEO Robert Garrett, who runs one of New Jersey's largest hospital systems, confirmed on "Face the Nation" that the long-term care facilities his company operates were told again this morning to wait to vaccinate nursing home residents.

www.cbsnews.com/news/nursing-home-vaccinations-trump-administration-delay/

[kadee79]

Here it is....Dept. heads, yes...I could see that, staff...did they wear masks?, did they distance?, did they wash their hands or use sanitizer every time they touched something?...


www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/world/white-house-staff-members-will-be-among-the-first-to-be-vaccinated.html

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 13, 2020 18:43:16 GMT -5 @x said:

Aren't the individual states deciding on prioritization ?

Yes. What I saw was people in lines of succession in the government are getting it. I think letting states decide is fine. There is no clear best way. It will be an experiment and see which approach seemed to be more effective

[billisonboard]

Dec 13, 2020 18:43:16 GMT -5 @x said:

Aren't the individual states deciding on prioritization ?

To meet the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed  (OWS) goals, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and Department of Defense (DoD) today announced agreements with CVS and Walgreens to provide and administer COVID-19 vaccines to residents of long-term care facilities (LTCF) nationwide with no out-of-pocket costs. link

This reads like there is a federal system to provide the vaccine directly to long term care facilities. Perhaps apart from state programs?

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 13, 2020 20:31:10 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 13, 2020 18:43:16 GMT -5 @x said:

Aren't the individual states deciding on prioritization ?

To meet the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed  (OWS) goals, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and Department of Defense (DoD) today announced agreements with CVS and Walgreens to provide and administer COVID-19 vaccines to residents of long-term care facilities (LTCF) nationwide with no out-of-pocket costs. link

This reads like there is a federal system to provide the vaccine directly to long term care facilities. Perhaps apart from state programs?

k

Not sure how that part is working. I know in my town the hess are th department is helping the hospital vaccinate. They plan on doing the nursing home employees. Not sure if they would also do the residents as well if they get enough vaccine. Just another exss as mole of the chaos the whole year is. I still think letting states prioritize makes sense. Different strategies can be analyzed and see if one is more successful

[Blonde Granny]

So, my question is this: The vaccine is now given quickly while some of us wait for a few months. That said, If I get the vaccine this week, how soon does it take affect? Am I still going to sit at home for 90 days or so?

[justme]

Dec 14, 2020 9:35:00 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

So, my question is this: The vaccine is now given quickly while some of us wait for a few months. That said, If I get the vaccine this week, how soon does it take affect? Am I still going to sit at home for 90 days or so?

Well, it's a 2 shot vaccine. So at least the 30 days between the two shots. 

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 14, 2020 9:35:00 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

So, my question is this: The vaccine is now given quickly while some of us wait for a few months. That said, If I get the vaccine this week, how soon does it take affect? Am I still going to sit at home for 90 days or so?

You start developing antibodies 10 days after first dose. It appears to be 50% effective after the first dose, 90-95% after second. There is a 3 week interval between doses for the Pfizer vaccine and 4 weeks with the Moderna. The vaccine is in short supply, so decisions as to how to best use it are going to have to be made, and will continue to be made given the large number of doses needed and our manufacturing capabilities 

[Blonde Granny]

Thanks for the info. I don't know if the VA will be getting on their own or piggy back on the nearest large hospital. Also curious regarding where the volunteers stand in this. We are designated as Non-compensated employees.

[Spellbound454]

I don't know if you are getting the same as us but ours are in boxes of 9,000 and once opened they can't be kept.
So rather than waste anything, they are dosing the people they want to dose (because of their vulnerability) ..... then its a rush to use them up with health workers and others.

We have 800,000 doses, which is our allocation for now.... and they'll hopefully be out before Christmas.
Then what happens I'm not too sure ... we were hoping for the Oxford vaccine but no news yet from the regulator.

[haapai]

Prioritizing the mos vulnerable volunteers and jabbing the medical staff with anything that's threatening to go bad isn't a bad strategy.  It only sounds slipshod.  Next week we're supposed to begin vaccinating the staff and elderly residents of long-term care facilities and I don't think that we've done enough planning.  We could waste a lot of vaccine if we don't get a firm handle on how many residents will have the proper paperwork and how many staff are willing to be vaccinated with the leftovers. 

I'm hoping for the Oxford/Astra-Zeneca vaccine too!  It's the vaccine that a spread-out, vaccine-hesitant country needs to beat this disease. 

[Spellbound454]

Yes the pfizer vaccine is good but it has storage challenges.

Once thawed from the -70.. they are saying it has to be used within 3 1/2 days

Not a lot of time really... and getting elderly people anywhere quickly.... is also not easy.

We have seen pop-up clinics appearing to try to increase the offering as much as possible.

We'll all have to do the best we can.

[irishpad]

Because of the major logistics involved in dispensing the vaccine, I thought it was a great decision to have the military involved in the process as they constantly deal with logistic issues.  

[jerseygirl]

FDA is reviewing the Moderna vaccine tomorrow and very likely approval by late Friday as was the Pfizer vaccine.
So many more doses will be available soon and the Modena vaccine doesn’t require the very low freezer use.

[billisonboard]

Dec 17, 2020 20:03:26 GMT -5 @x said:

1 hour ago. 


(CNN)  Vaccine advisers to the US Food and Drug Administration voted easily and quickly to recommend that the agency give emergency use authorization to Moderna's coronavirus vaccine -- but not without a lengthy side discussion about whether volunteers in the clinical trial who got placebo shots should be offered the vaccine early.

www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/health/moderna-covid-vaccine-fda-vrbpac-vote/index.html

Any ideas on what the argument would be why they shouldn't be near the front of the line? Okay, limited supply and front line workers needing them but still.

[billisonboard]

Dec 17, 2020 21:31:45 GMT -5 @x said:

Dec 17, 2020 20:59:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Any ideas on what the argument would be why they shouldn't be near the front of the line? Okay, limited supply and front line workers needing them but still.

I don't know why VRBPAC was even discussing distribution.

Your link describes it as a "side discussion". Perhaps they discussed it because it involved an issue that interested them. Speaking of which, any ideas on what the argument would be why they shouldn't be near the front of the line? I ask because it is an issue that interests me.

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 17, 2020 21:58:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 17, 2020 21:31:45 GMT -5 @x said:

I don't know why VRBPAC was even discussing distribution.

Your link describes it as a "side discussion". Perhaps they discussed it because it involved an issue that interested them. Speaking of which, any ideas on what the argument would be why they shouldn't be near the front of the line? I ask because it is an issue that interests me.

If you want to see if immunity wanes or what the medium term side effects are, if you do not vaccinate them, you have a control group to compare them to. It is controversial to say the least, but it is the best way to get accurate data. Not sure it is ethical to not vaccinate them, but leaving them unvaccinated allows the study to continue

[justme]

My friend was in the Pfizer trial and it did say that if you were in the control and the vaccine was approved they would give you the vaccine. Didn't attach a specific time to it. He mentioned something about people talking about when they'd be informed if they didn't get the vaccine, but he hasn't heard anything yet. (Though like I've mentioned, based on him having the anti bodies and never testing positive for covid and not having antibodies before the trial he thinks he got it so not super concerned lol)

[pulmonarymd]

I personally think they should get it at the same time as someone like me. Sometimes getting more data is not worth treating people as a means to an end. They took a risk, they should get the benefit, and if the experiment needs to be terminated, so be it

[tbop77]

Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the White House's coronavirus task force, is scheduled to be vaccinated for COVID-19 on Friday morning.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pence-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-walmart-tiktok-partnership-ma-rainey-s-black-bottom-5-things-to-know-friday/ar-BB1c2bZW?ocid=msedgntp

Why does this make me so mad?  This man was appointed head of the task force and at no time stood up to Trump.  The handling of this virus has been so screwed up from day 1.  Yes, he is accountable.  He needs to go to the back of the line.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 18, 2020 5:59:39 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the White House's coronavirus task force, is scheduled to be vaccinated for COVID-19 on Friday morning.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pence-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-walmart-tiktok-partnership-ma-rainey-s-black-bottom-5-things-to-know-friday/ar-BB1c2bZW?ocid=msedgntp

Why does this make me so mad?  This man was appointed head of the task force and at no time stood up to Trump.  The handling of this virus has been so screwed up from day 1.  Yes, he is accountable.  He needs to go to the back of the line.

I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots.

Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm.

[teen persuasion]

Dec 18, 2020 10:02:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 18, 2020 5:59:39 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the White House's coronavirus task force, is scheduled to be vaccinated for COVID-19 on Friday morning.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pence-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-walmart-tiktok-partnership-ma-rainey-s-black-bottom-5-things-to-know-friday/ar-BB1c2bZW?ocid=msedgntp

Why does this make me so mad?  This man was appointed head of the task force and at no time stood up to Trump.  The handling of this virus has been so screwed up from day 1.  Yes, he is accountable.  He needs to go to the back of the line.

I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots.

Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm.

I watched this morning, too.  Surprised to see Pence's wife get one - a coworker and I were discussing the priority groups.  Both of us have teacher spouses, who are higher priority.  We both wondered about whether family units should be vaccinated, not just individuals based on front line worker status.  Think Carl - shouldn't his whole family get vaccinated, not just him?  He brings the threat of infection home with him daily...

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 18, 2020 11:18:38 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Dec 18, 2020 10:02:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots.

Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm.

I watched this morning, too.  Surprised to see Pence's wife get one - a coworker and I were discussing the priority groups.  Both of us have teacher spouses, who are higher priority.  We both wondered about whether family units should be vaccinated, not just individuals based on front line worker status.  Think Carl - shouldn't his whole family get vaccinated, not just him?  He brings the threat of infection home with him daily...

The problem is the supply. No matter how we do it, there is not enough to go around. Any decision regarding how to decide is going to be open to criticism and hsve trade offs. Since there is no data to tell us how best to do it, all we have is our best “guess” on what will be most effective

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 18, 2020 5:59:39 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the White House's coronavirus task force, is scheduled to be vaccinated for COVID-19 on Friday morning.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pence-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-walmart-tiktok-partnership-ma-rainey-s-black-bottom-5-things-to-know-friday/ar-BB1c2bZW?ocid=msedgntp

Why does this make me so mad?  This man was appointed head of the task force and at no time stood up to Trump.  The handling of this virus has been so screwed up from day 1.  Yes, he is accountable.  He needs to go to the back of the line.

My wife feels the same way

[andi9899]

Dec 18, 2020 19:20:12 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 18, 2020 5:59:39 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the White House's coronavirus task force, is scheduled to be vaccinated for COVID-19 on Friday morning.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pence-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-walmart-tiktok-partnership-ma-rainey-s-black-bottom-5-things-to-know-friday/ar-BB1c2bZW?ocid=msedgntp

Why does this make me so mad?  This man was appointed head of the task force and at no time stood up to Trump.  The handling of this virus has been so screwed up from day 1.  Yes, he is accountable.  He needs to go to the back of the line.

My wife feels the same way

So do I.

[justme]

Dec 18, 2020 10:02:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 18, 2020 5:59:39 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the White House's coronavirus task force, is scheduled to be vaccinated for COVID-19 on Friday morning.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pence-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-walmart-tiktok-partnership-ma-rainey-s-black-bottom-5-things-to-know-friday/ar-BB1c2bZW?ocid=msedgntp

Why does this make me so mad?  This man was appointed head of the task force and at no time stood up to Trump.  The handling of this virus has been so screwed up from day 1.  Yes, he is accountable.  He needs to go to the back of the line.

I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots.

Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm.

It still pisses me off to no end that someone who refuses to meet alone with a woman was allowed to hold the place of VP. I know the people voted him in and all that shit, but not having rules against meeting with half the planet. Like fuck him, how can he do his job with those restrictions?

[flan327]

Dec 18, 2020 5:59:39 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Vice President Mike Pence, the head of the White House's coronavirus task force, is scheduled to be vaccinated for COVID-19 on Friday morning.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pence-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-walmart-tiktok-partnership-ma-rainey-s-black-bottom-5-things-to-know-friday/ar-BB1c2bZW?ocid=msedgntp

Why does this make me so mad?  This man was appointed head of the task force and at no time stood up to Trump.  The handling of this virus has been so screwed up from day 1.  Yes, he is accountable.  He needs to go to the back of the line.

But his "Mommy" was there too

😷

[flan327]

Dec 18, 2020 23:23:53 GMT -5 justme said:

Dec 18, 2020 10:02:47 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I watched Pence get his vaccine shot. A male gave Pence his shot while a female gave pence's wife and the U.S. Surgeon General their shots.

Apparently females are not allowed to touch vp Pence's bared arm.

It still pisses me off to no end that someone who refuses to meet alone with a woman was allowed to hold the place of VP. I know the people voted him in and all that shit, but not having rules against meeting with half the planet. Like fuck him, how can he do his job with those restrictions?

Obviously he can't do his job

[tbop77]

Vice-President Mike Pence appeared before the cameras today to take his vaccine dose. But then, perhaps in an effort to erase any ill feelings he might cause by tacitly acknowledging the coronavirus pandemic as a very big danger, announced, “As President Trump often says, we are rounding the corner.”


www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/pence-we-are-rounding-the-corner-on-coronavirus-again/ar-BB1c33tl?ocid=msedgntp

I don't really see how that man can look himself in the mirror, let alone quote Trump on the pandemic.  

I would like to put every bad word I know in this post!  

[flan327]

I live in Indianapolis

Pence is Trump's insurance policy

I've always been convinced of that