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Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 6, 2020 11:26:57 GMT -5
Not a dead horse. People are dying and having long term health effects when some of this could have been prevented.
Some, not all of this.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 6, 2020 11:55:35 GMT -5
Well, unfortunately, for your state and many other areas, he's the reason you are not seeing people wear masks and people thus getting sick. As he put it - it is what it is. The prediction is 410,000 dead by January. I get that but every post doesn't have to repeat the politics expressed on every other post. I mean...dead horse much? The problem with this is that politics is currently running a public health problem.....and EVERYONE gets to pay for their decisions. You may be tired of it, God knows I am and I am sure HCP are thoroughly sick of it, but the virus has no politics. So this administration has made it into a political problem. Unfortunately, despite beating the dead horse still makes some think that this is virus is no worse than the flu. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 6, 2020 12:02:01 GMT -5
There are no signs the virus was engineered. When you manipulate viruses, the manipulations leave biological calling cards that are detected. This virus has none of these. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 6, 2020 12:05:32 GMT -5
There are no signs the virus was engineered. When you manipulate viruses, the manipulations leave biological calling cards that are detected. This virus has none of these. I don't know why this is such a thing. Nature is a far better bioterrorist than we can ever be. We aren't that smart. If the last 4 years hasn't proved it, I don't know what can. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 6, 2020 12:19:58 GMT -5
There are no signs the virus was engineered. When you manipulate viruses, the manipulations leave biological calling cards that are detected. This virus has none of these. I don't know why this is such a thing. Nature is a far better bioterrorist than we can ever be. We aren't that smart. If the last 4 years hasn't proved it, I don't know what can. Yep. Bioterrorists could not have designed such a perfect virus to disrupt life. Usually, they go for causing death, but to design a virus that can do anything from cause no symptoms to death requires more finesse than any scientist can design. Largely because scientists do not know WHY there is such a vast response. Knowing this would change the picture considerably. |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2020 12:20:15 GMT -5
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Post by nidena on Sept 6, 2020 12:45:04 GMT -5
The political crap is the dead horse. Not the virus discussion. I mean, the virus is teaching scientists every day. The political crap is "same crap, different day".
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 6, 2020 12:59:48 GMT -5
The political "crap" as you are calling it is responsible for the crisis being as bad as it is. Trump downplays, misdirects, and outright lies about issues. For example, your claim about increased testing showing more cases. The cases exist regardless of the testing. If you do not test, sure, your numbers will look better, but the consequences of not finding out the extent of the problem until it explodes is too great. This is a public health nightmare, the federal response has been terrible, and the misinformation is making it worse. We, in the healthcare community have to deal with the consequences of these facts everyday. So, excuse me if I politicize this. It is literally a matter of life of death to us. If the politicians actually cared about the crisis, we could have ameliorated this. In addition, the title of the thread is an acknowledgement of a POLITICAL decision about how we are going to deal with this crisis. No reputable infectious disease, critical care, pulmonary physician or epidemiologist would recommend what we are doing.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 6, 2020 14:12:25 GMT -5
And if you want to add even MORE political crap to the virus situation, you have Trump putting pressure on what is supposed to be an independent organization to approve a vaccine before they either know it is effective, or has side effects.
So no, while the public health response *should* be lead by those with the education and experience, you have a response that is lead by Trump....who gets his data from My Pillow Guy, Demon Spawn and a radiologist from CA who knows squat about virology, epidemiology and immunology.
If this screenplay was presented to Hollywood to make a movie, it would either be tossed as it is too absurd, or made into a farce. My life is not a farce and I don’t like my elected leaders treating it as such, do you? Are you happy being a willing pawn in an egomaniacal leader’s treatment of this pandemic?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 6, 2020 15:39:44 GMT -5
It is political because every state is on it's own. My state has a GOP governor, who said early on that "it is what it is"
Now we have all kinds of school outbreaks and the two largest universities have huge outbreaks.
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Post by nidena on Sept 7, 2020 9:04:46 GMT -5
I hear what you guys are saying.
And please don't think I consider Covid19 to be just like the flu in any way except it's probably here to stay and it will continuously evolve like the flu.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 8, 2020 11:38:35 GMT -5
I just got off the phone with my company contact at Johnson & Johnson. They are developing a vaccine, but we hear next to nothing about them in the media. They are taking the "slow and steady" route and it probably will not be ready until Summer 2021. They believe it will be a superior vaccine. They are more willing to play the long game with this one. According to my contact (which doesn't mean too much but thought I would share), those in the pharma industry don't think the early vaccine is going to have horrible side effects, make people drop dead, etc. they just think it will not be near as effective as those companies that are willing to take more time to develop one. I tend to believe this as well. I work with many pharma companies and I do have faith in their abilities, and the last thing a company wants is to put something out there that is going to put them in bankruptcy.
Like most vaccines this will develop over time. The first version may only be 40% effective, by next summer it may be 60% effective. If we wait until something is perfect, we will be waiting a VERY long time. The idea is to get deaths down to flu like levels so we can reopen the world and go about our business. COVID isn't going to go away, it will become "just another virus." I'm not sure some people realize this...It seems like they want COVID to completely disappear before we move on with life. That isn't going to happen. We may never find a 100% effective treatment and deaths are never gong to completely disappear. Still we will move forward because that is what we do... As for the political side, I am pretty much tired of rehashing it as well. We have a moron in office. The only way to change that is to vote him out. If the masses re-elect him then I will probably break down and cry, but I will then go wash my face and continue to move on with life.
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