Oh, well. Guess it's gonna be herd immunity after all

[gs11rmb]

The Walk of the Penguin Mich well I have clearly been misremembering or misinterpreting his comments for years!  Thanks for the clarification and that's one less thing to worry about when it comes to global warming

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 3, 2020 15:41:11 GMT -5 gs11rmb said:

The Walk of the Penguin Mich well I have clearly been misremembering or misinterpreting his comments for years!  Thanks for the clarification and that's one less thing to worry about when it comes to global warming

The concern I have always seen is that the 1918 flu would be uncovered. It was recreated from some specimen that was retrieved from the permafrost

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 3, 2020 15:47:06 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 3, 2020 15:41:11 GMT -5 gs11rmb said:

The Walk of the Penguin Mich well I have clearly been misremembering or misinterpreting his comments for years!  Thanks for the clarification and that's one less thing to worry about when it comes to global warming

The concern I have always seen is that the 1918 flu would be uncovered. It was recreated from some specimen that was retrieved from the permafrost

This is the only concern that I have heard as well.  

[Tiny]

Sept 2, 2020 19:15:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"I was thinking about voting for Biden but President Trump just announced that because of him there is now a vaccine he says will work so I am going to vote for him instead."

Does such a voter exist? 

maybe... my dear friend (who uses the ACA for insurance and has complaints about it - possibly rightly so) voted for trump because he promised something better than the ACA and promised more jobs that would "make America great, again" and promised to take care of the "Dreamers".      My dear friend didn't seem too concerned that trump had nothing when it came to a plan for health care for people who didn't have an employer or who's employer(s) didn't offer healthcare - just his word that the big reveal would be terrific!  Nor concerned that the way trump MIGHT be creating more jobs would be to keep immigrants (legal and otherwise) out of America - thus opening up jobs that Americans DON"T want to do. Or that trump would take care of the "Dreamers" by deporting them or their family members or by leaving them in limbo.    of course, maybe that's what my dear friend understood his rhetoric to mean.  I don't know. 

I'm guessing  that trump's "vaccine" is basically double speak for 'see, we don't need no stinking vaccine!  So what if some people die. COVID 19 is over!   A vote for me is a vote for no masks, a completely open America, because there is NO  coronavirus!!  We've conquered it!" 

[thyme4change]

Sept 3, 2020 16:37:57 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Sept 2, 2020 19:15:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"I was thinking about voting for Biden but President Trump just announced that because of him there is now a vaccine he says will work so I am going to vote for him instead."

Does such a voter exist? 

maybe... my dear friend (who uses the ACA for insurance and has complaints about it - possibly rightly so) voted for trump because he promised something better than the ACA and promised more jobs that would "make America great, again" and promised to take care of the "Dreamers".      My dear friend didn't seem too concerned that trump had nothing when it came to a plan for health care for people who didn't have an employer or who's employer(s) didn't offer healthcare - just his word that the big reveal would be terrific!  Nor concerned that the way trump MIGHT be creating more jobs would be to keep immigrants (legal and otherwise) out of America - thus opening up jobs that Americans DON"T want to do. Or that trump would take care of the "Dreamers" by deporting them or their family members or by leaving them in limbo.    of course, maybe that's what my dear friend understood his rhetoric to mean.  I don't know. 

I'm guessing  that trump's "vaccine" is basically double speak for 'see, we don't need no stinking vaccine!  So what if some people die. COVID 19 is over!   A vote for me is a vote for no masks, a completely open America, because there is NO  coronavirus!!  We've conquered it!" 

How does that friend feel now that 4 years on, there isnt a single idea, much less execution of anything to fix healthcare.

[TheOtherMe]

But there is.  Get rid of the ACA.  Isn't that in court now?

[Deleted]

I find much of politics still seems to be pro-choice/democrat, anti-abortion/republican and that's how people vote.

Trump could be the devil incarnate, but if he's against abortion all the "Christian" folks would still vote for him.

Of course, they could give a shit about the kid once born, but God forbid a woman have an abortion... Or, that we have someone who's not mentally ill run our country...

[bobosensei]

Sept 2, 2020 17:54:36 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

From what I've just read Dr. Birx and Fauci have been tossed out. Some goofy radiologist that has no info or knowledge in virus training etc. is taking over. Dr. Oz I think recommended him to Trump.

I really wish we could laugh at  posts instead of just liking them.  Dr. Oz has gotten so ridiculous over the years.  I can't imagine who he would recommend.

[bobosensei]

Sept 2, 2020 20:42:07 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 2, 2020 20:32:18 GMT -5 @donethat said:

I am afraid there does.  And some are my neighbors and DH's relatives.  Feeling really blessed I have no known relatives and super sorry I signed up with Ancestry.

I have too many relatives who are already in Trump's column. Fortunately they are either in low Electoral College count Idaho which will by 90% anyway or here in Washington which won't go to him with or without their votes. The thing is, I don't know any undecided voters that a vaccine would move his way.

I think it is more that as soon as they say there is a vaccine everything will be totally and completely wide open, especially if there is no liability on businesses for covid.  So the expectation for Trump is probably that once a vaccine is available (regardless of who gets it) unemployment improves and the economy gets stronger.  Then the voters that might have been so beaten down that they would vote for Biden will think that there isn't any reason.  And by the time everyone realizes his vaccine is a hoax or even worse is unsafe it will be too late.

I know everyone in Georgia is ready for life to be 100% back to normal with no hybrid schools and no restrictions or limits on the activities they want to do.  With that said I also don't think anyone will get the vaccine here.  The Trump supporters don't think it is necessary, and everyone else doesn't believe it is safe.  But as long as they can say the vaccine is available and free businesses of any liability, then they will just go back to normal and that is when we get to see how bad things can get.

[NastyWoman]

Sept 2, 2020 19:15:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"I was thinking about voting for Biden but President Trump just announced that because of him there is now a vaccine he says will work so I am going to vote for him instead."

Does such a voter exist? 

Do you have any doubt at all? 

[billisonboard]

Sept 4, 2020 14:55:54 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Sept 2, 2020 19:15:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"I was thinking about voting for Biden but President Trump just announced that because of him there is now a vaccine he says will work so I am going to vote for him instead."

Does such a voter exist? 

Do you have any doubt at all? 

I don't think it is a ploy that will work.

[justme]

Sept 3, 2020 11:40:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

A friend of mine posted this twitter thread.  This guy really makes sense.  Too bad that the questionable powers that be don’t understand this.  If a vaccine is released and there is no protection, or a bad side effect, the trust the US has in the FDA and the CDC will be zilch.  Right now, it’s not great.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1301310012401299457.html?fbclid=IwAR2LQh7LIVhihzFsuH_rgB2kSUqoiU1cWsF7CcAHZ8rGkHHonBuRELp1NNk

I didn't read it all, but it seems similar thoughts to mine. I am 100% behind vaccines, but THIS vaccine has me all kinds of skeptical and I don't think I'd be OK taking it in the first wave. (Asthma + several autoimmune disorders makes me wary)

One of my good friends is in the trial. He's only just getting the second dose this weekend. Like how in the ever loving fuck is that enough time to test anything? Even if they back down and say that time frame was to OK production not start dissemination.

Oh BTW among the many things he had to sign is to not have kids for 2 years because they have no idea whether the vaccine could affect that do you seriously see tons of people jumping to get the vaccine if that's mentioned? Hell I can just see my sil now that if THIS vaccine should keep you from having kids then that means all of them are like that.

I'm putting a lot of faith in the pharmaceutical companies not wanting to get sued to high heaven will provide enough of a backbone to them, but I could see trump just going executive order you can't get sued now go charge a thousand a shot!

[jerseygirl]

Just got a very nice email from Pfizer, thanks for volunteering but no vaccine sites near you.
That’s good since companies are testing where there’s s lot of new cases since need to see how many placebo/test vaccine subjects don’t or do get Covid

Interesting , Vaccine companies planning to work together to boost confidence and counter all the scepticism that unsafe or ineffective vaccines will be approved due to political pressure
IMHO, no company wants the terrible repercussions if they produce a subpar product. In my experience with FDA and reg authorities in EU, there are many folks and departments that review for both safety and efficacy and won’t yield to approve junk
(Also within companies!) Remember it’s their mom, dad, kids etc that would also get the final product
But will this be enough to counter conspiracy theories that are running wild due to politics???

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-09-04/vaccine-makers-plan-public-stance-to-counter-pressure-on-fda?__twitter_impression=true

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 5, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Just got a very nice email from Pfizer, thanks for volunteering but no vaccine sites near you.
That’s good since companies are testing where there’s s lot of new cases since need to see how many placebo/test vaccine subjects don’t or do get Covid

Interesting , Vaccine companies planning to work together to boost confidence and counter all the scepticism that unsafe or ineffective vaccines will be approved due to political pressure
IMHO, no company wants the terrible repercussions if they produce a subpar product. In my experience with FDA and reg authorities in EU, there are many folks and departments that review for both safety and efficacy and won’t yield to approve junk
(Also within companies!) Remember it’s their mom, dad, kids etc that would also get the final product
But will this be enough to counter conspiracy theories that are running wild due to politics???

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-09-04/vaccine-makers-plan-public-stance-to-counter-pressure-on-fda?__twitter_impression=true

Maybe trump should stop with the promises and let the science run its course. Then there would not be the skepticism and politics involved. He inserted politics into the fda decision about plasma and the cdc guidance on testing, which resulted in pushback from organized medicine. He is going to wind up doing the same thing here if he doesn’t stop, and lessen confidence in many agencies, and possibly medicine, science, and pharmaceutical companies with his meddling.

Preparations need to be made for distribution of the vaccine. It could have been handled in a professional manner without fanfare, or a big announcement to make it seem like it would be done pre-election. If he had kept quiet, and let a company announce its results, then left it up to the fda and organized medicine to critique the results, we would be in a better place. But it is all about him. Sidelining Fauci doesn’t help because if he backs a vaccine candidate, it gives trump cover

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 5, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Just got a very nice email from Pfizer, thanks for volunteering but no vaccine sites near you.
That’s good since companies are testing where there’s s lot of new cases since need to see how many placebo/test vaccine subjects don’t or do get Covid

Interesting , Vaccine companies planning to work together to boost confidence and counter all the scepticism that unsafe or ineffective vaccines will be approved due to political pressure
IMHO, no company wants the terrible repercussions if they produce a subpar product. In my experience with FDA and reg authorities in EU, there are many folks and departments that review for both safety and efficacy and won’t yield to approve junk
(Also within companies!) Remember it’s their mom, dad, kids etc that would also get the final product
But will this be enough to counter conspiracy theories that are running wild due to politics

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-09-04/vaccine-makers-plan-public-stance-to-counter-pressure-on-fda?__twitter_impression=true

The only problem with this is that drug companies in the past have known to shove shit under the carpet to make a $$.  Their hands are not clean.  So TBH, I treat these comments from drug companies with a certain amount of skepticism too.

[Tiny]

Sept 4, 2020 0:39:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 3, 2020 16:37:57 GMT -5 Tiny said:

maybe... my dear friend (who uses the ACA for insurance and has complaints about it - possibly rightly so) voted for trump because he promised something better than the ACA and promised more jobs that would "make America great, again" and promised to take care of the "Dreamers".      My dear friend didn't seem too concerned that trump had nothing when it came to a plan for health care for people who didn't have an employer or who's employer(s) didn't offer healthcare - just his word that the big reveal would be terrific!  Nor concerned that the way trump MIGHT be creating more jobs would be to keep immigrants (legal and otherwise) out of America - thus opening up jobs that Americans DON"T want to do. Or that trump would take care of the "Dreamers" by deporting them or their family members or by leaving them in limbo.    of course, maybe that's what my dear friend understood his rhetoric to mean.  I don't know. 

I'm guessing  that trump's "vaccine" is basically double speak for 'see, we don't need no stinking vaccine!  So what if some people die. COVID 19 is over!   A vote for me is a vote for no masks, a completely open America, because there is NO  coronavirus!!  We've conquered it!" 

How does that friend feel now that 4 years on, there isnt a single idea, much less execution of anything to fix healthcare.

I suspect the friend will vote for trump again.   I get the feeling it's more from a "sunk cost" fallacy than from anything else.   

[nidena]

I just don't see this being anything other than treating it like the flu at this point.  I mean, the various tracking websites show that 86M tests have been given.  I'm gonna assume 10-20% of that number is multiple tests to the same people.  So, let's say 80M people have been tested.  Less than 10% have tested positive and .01% have died.  (Forgive any math errors, it's late)  Obviously, death is worst case and many have had it and their experience and recovery have sucked royally but, at this point, is it more contagious than a cold?  Real question there, not rhetorical.  Is it more serious than pneumonia?  Another real question, not rhetorical.

[billisonboard]

Sept 5, 2020 21:53:18 GMT -5 nidena said:

I just don't see this being anything other than treating it like the flu at this point.  I mean, the various tracking websites show that 86M tests have been given.  I'm gonna assume 10-20% of that number is multiple tests to the same people.  So, let's say 80M people have been tested.  Less than 10% have tested positive and .01% have died.  (Forgive any math errors, it's late)  Obviously, death is worst case and many have had it and their experience and recovery have sucked royally but, at this point, is it more contagious than a cold?  Real question there, not rhetorical.  Is it more serious than pneumonia?  Another real question, not rhetorical.

Those were the results have been after some extreme steps were taken. What would it have looked like if those hadn't have been taken?

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 5, 2020 21:53:18 GMT -5 nidena said:

I just don't see this being anything other than treating it like the flu at this point.  I mean, the various tracking websites show that 86M tests have been given.  I'm gonna assume 10-20% of that number is multiple tests to the same people.  So, let's say 80M people have been tested.  Less than 10% have tested positive and .01% have died.  (Forgive any math errors, it's late)  Obviously, death is worst case and many have had it and their experience and recovery have sucked royally but, at this point, is it more contagious than a cold?  Real question there, not rhetorical.  Is it more serious than pneumonia?  Another real question, not rhetorical.

Yes it is more contagious than a normal cold and flu. Yes it is more dangerous. In a normal year, about 50k die from pneumonia. This has hilled almost 200k, and we have 4 months left. The flu doesn’t overwhelm the healthcare system the way this did. Finally, you have no idea of the long term health consequences. Herpes outbreaks and shingles are the consequence of a viral infection. The mono virus causes lymphoma, job causes cervical cancer. Who knows what this will do. Since we are still learning about this virus, do you really want to take a chance?

[nidena]

"job causes cervical cancer"?  I'm not tracking that one.

From what I can see in my state, we have fewer restrictions, more testing, more positive tests (which makes sense when you test more), yet fewer deaths.  1/6 of our state population has been tested thus far.  1/4 of my city has been tested.  And I'd say 30-40% of the people I've crossed paths with don't wear masks unless they're at a store because they're mandatory in stores.  I'm sure if they weren't mandatory, most wouldn't be wearing them.

[billisonboard]

Sept 6, 2020 9:33:09 GMT -5 nidena said:

"job causes cervical cancer"?  I'm not tracking that one.

From what I can see in my state, we have fewer restrictions, more testing, more positive tests (which makes sense when you test more), yet fewer deaths.  1/6 of our state population has been tested thus far.  1/4 of my city has been tested.  And I'd say 30-40% of the people I've crossed paths with don't wear masks unless they're at a store because they're mandatory in stores.  I'm sure if they weren't mandatory, most wouldn't be wearing them.

60-70% wear masks most of the time with a higher percentage wearing them in one of our society's more vulnerable occasions.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 6, 2020 9:33:09 GMT -5 nidena said:

"job causes cervical cancer"?  I'm not tracking that one.

From what I can see in my state, we have fewer restrictions, more testing, more positive tests (which makes sense when you test more), yet fewer deaths.  1/6 of our state population has been tested thus far.  1/4 of my city has been tested.  And I'd say 30-40% of the people I've crossed paths with don't wear masks unless they're at a store because they're mandatory in stores.  I'm sure if they weren't mandatory, most wouldn't be wearing them.

Autocorrect, should say HPV. If you are in the northern half of the country, it will probably spike again when the weather cools. If you look at deaths in hot spots, even though their cases are going down, deaths are not. It seriously lags the case numbers, both on the way up and down. Still have 1k a day dying at present nationwide. Cases in the Midwest are spiking in many places. We are not out of the woods yet.

And again, do not listen to trump about cases. The percent positivity is what is most important. A high positivity rate means there are many more cases, because you are not testing enough, and you will continue to see significant spread. If your positivity rate is low, you know you have found most cases, and can keep the infection in check. I believe you are in Indiana? If so, you are still on the way up. Would not expect deaths to be spiking yet

[nidena]

I don't follow politicians.  Matter of fact, I loathe how often every one of these threads devolves into blaming one side or the other.

Yep, I'm in Indy, IN.

[Deleted]

Sept 6, 2020 10:09:51 GMT -5 nidena said:

I don't follow politicians.  Matter of fact, I loathe how often every one of these threads devolves into blaming one side or the other.

Yep, I'm in Indy, IN.

Well, unfortunately, for your state and many other areas, he's the reason you are not seeing people wear masks and people thus getting sick. As he put it - it is what it is.

The prediction is 410,000 dead by January. 

[billisonboard]

Sept 6, 2020 10:13:46 GMT -5 @shastasnewlife said:

Sept 6, 2020 10:09:51 GMT -5 nidena said:

I don't follow politicians.  Matter of fact, I loathe how often every one of these threads devolves into blaming one side or the other.

Yep, I'm in Indy, IN.

Well, unfortunately, for your state and many other areas, he's the reason you are not seeing people wear masks and people thus getting sick. As he put it - it is what it is.

The prediction is 410,000 dead by January. 

Do you have a link to "(t)he prediction"?

[resolution]

It's the IHME projection, the same one that the government and media have been using all along. covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

[Deleted]

Sept 6, 2020 10:22:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 6, 2020 10:13:46 GMT -5 @shastasnewlife said:

Well, unfortunately, for your state and many other areas, he's the reason you are not seeing people wear masks and people thus getting sick. As he put it - it is what it is.

The prediction is 410,000 dead by January. 

Do you have a link to "(t)he prediction"?

The prediction is 3,000+ deaths per day by December. And, it's been widely reported. 

Key model predicts 400,000 coronavirus deaths in US by January

thehill.com/policy/healthcare/515090-key-model-predicts-400000-coronavirus-deaths-in-us-by-january

Popular coronavirus projection: 410,000 American COVID deaths by Jan. 1

www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-projection-410000-dead-january-20200905-lszkaee5ezdbtawpmrvqchywky-story.html

.. 
www.haaretz.com/us-news/updated-forecast-predicts-400-000-coronavirus-deaths-in-u-s-by-january-1.9129302

[billisonboard]

Sept 6, 2020 10:27:15 GMT -5 @shastasnewlife said:

Sept 6, 2020 10:22:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Do you have a link to "(t)he prediction"?

The prediction is 3,000+ deaths per day by December. And, it's been widely reported. 

Key model predicts 400,000 coronavirus deaths in US by January

thehill.com/policy/healthcare/515090-key-model-predicts-400000-coronavirus-deaths-in-us-by-january

Popular coronavirus projection: 410,000 American COVID deaths by Jan. 1

www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-projection-410000-dead-january-20200905-lszkaee5ezdbtawpmrvqchywky-story.html

.. 
www.haaretz.com/us-news/updated-forecast-predicts-400-000-coronavirus-deaths-in-u-s-by-january-1.9129302

Thank you.

Good to read the articles to get the story beyond the attention getting headline.

[nidena]

Sept 6, 2020 10:13:46 GMT -5 @shastasnewlife said:

Sept 6, 2020 10:09:51 GMT -5 nidena said:

I don't follow politicians.  Matter of fact, I loathe how often every one of these threads devolves into blaming one side or the other.

Yep, I'm in Indy, IN.

Well, unfortunately, for your state and many other areas, he's the reason you are not seeing people wear masks and people thus getting sick. As he put it - it is what it is.

The prediction is 410,000 dead by January. 

I get that but every post doesn't have to repeat the politics expressed on every other post.  I mean...dead horse much?

[countrygirl2]

l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Felemental.medium.com%2Fa-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0jCQp0LDU1L9_6_Xs-nMf-GNKpbJTBZ0063J1JSEnzuk8YHPUjtn6W85k&h=AT1IpIQlW_F1SPSrAVf3YuSnpfOSyQ-Jke6zMaClu3NqBmc8FKh-vssxxOipfLVaoiBQuIwTgOX-zh9RH9bRhIyE7DGnP1JTzKPLBUhMRBB65pHTr396Ec0pxNoTyVgvGQUlwQ

Read this article, scary as crap. I'm beginning to think it was engineered.