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Post by flan327 on Sept 28, 2020 16:15:15 GMT -5
Your wrong, it's a good thing. You're And actually I am entitled to my OPINION
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Post by flan327 on Sept 28, 2020 16:16:26 GMT -5
Children need imagination
Without it, they are sad robots
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2020 16:27:56 GMT -5
All I was doing was addressing the statement "... the American people decided ..." with evidence of what "... the American people decided ...". In the US, the American people deciding comes with a constitution. I thought that was a given, sorry. There is a different document from our nation's founding while not having the status of a governing document, does contain an important principle: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. link With that in mind: Today the 47 Democratic senators represent almost 169 million people, while the 53 Republican senators represent about 158 million, according to calculations by Lee Drutman, a senior fellow at the think tank New America. link And there is a lot more at the link discussing minority rule which is worth noting, including: Ben Wessel, executive director of NextGen America, "I see a wave of young people being born into social movements who recognize that you have to take every institution in this country on and try to shape it in your image, whether it's Congress or the White House or the Supreme Court or your local police force," he says. "This is not a generation that says I will play by the rules and things will be OK. It's a generation that says: I will rewrite the rules so they work for me."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 19:33:08 GMT -5
Your wrong, it's a good thing. You're And actually I am entitled to my OPINION Sure you are. It's WRONG.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 19:45:16 GMT -5
In the US, the American people deciding comes with a constitution. I thought that was a given, sorry. There is a different document from our nation's founding while not having the status of a governing document, does contain an important principle: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. link With that in mind: Today the 47 Democratic senators represent almost 169 million people, while the 53 Republican senators represent about 158 million, according to calculations by Lee Drutman, a senior fellow at the think tank New America. link And there is a lot more at the link discussing minority rule which is worth noting, including: Ben Wessel, executive director of NextGen America, "I see a wave of young people being born into social movements who recognize that you have to take every institution in this country on and try to shape it in your image, whether it's Congress or the White House or the Supreme Court or your local police force," he says. "This is not a generation that says I will play by the rules and things will be OK. It's a generation that says: I will rewrite the rules so they work for me." Again, 2 Senators per state, states have different populations. (bolded) Think tank New America, is not aware of the Federal amendment process ? Not my kind of think tank. Diogenes 23, twenty year retiree, sees a wave of young people who don't take the time to look up from their collective devices, much less get up and do something about it. If it's not handed to them, it's not going to happen. I would really like to be proved wrong on that one, but I just don't see it happening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 19:47:20 GMT -5
Children need imagination Without it, they are sad robots They also need to eat. They would die otherwise.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2020 20:16:21 GMT -5
There is a different document from our nation's founding while not having the status of a governing document, does contain an important principle: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. link With that in mind: Today the 47 Democratic senators represent almost 169 million people, while the 53 Republican senators represent about 158 million, according to calculations by Lee Drutman, a senior fellow at the think tank New America. link And there is a lot more at the link discussing minority rule which is worth noting, including: Ben Wessel, executive director of NextGen America, "I see a wave of young people being born into social movements who recognize that you have to take every institution in this country on and try to shape it in your image, whether it's Congress or the White House or the Supreme Court or your local police force," he says. "This is not a generation that says I will play by the rules and things will be OK. It's a generation that says: I will rewrite the rules so they work for me." Again, 2 Senators per state, states have different populations. (bolded) Think tank New America, is not aware of the Federal amendment process ? Not my kind of think tank. Diogenes 23, twenty year retiree, sees a wave of young people who don't take the time to look up from their collective devices, much less get up and do something about it. If it's not handed to them, it's not going to happen. I would really like to be proved wrong on that one, but I just don't see it happening. 2 Senators under the current system of government in the US. That is an incredible leap from the fact that I cited one simple fact reported by one person from a think tank to they being uninformed idiots. I have worked with a lot of very active aware young people. No comment on minority rule. Loyalist to the end?
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Post by tallguy on Sept 28, 2020 20:57:29 GMT -5
North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Vermont, Wyoming: Total population - 3.6 million Number of senators to represent them - 10 Puerto Rico: Total population - 3.4 million Number of senators to represent them - 0 Yeah, that seems right.
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Post by flan327 on Sept 29, 2020 10:42:44 GMT -5
Children need imagination Without it, they are sad robots They also need to eat. They would die otherwise. I didn't know that... 🧠
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2020 11:51:52 GMT -5
North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Vermont, Wyoming: Total population - 3.6 million Number of senators to represent them - 10 Puerto Rico: Total population - 3.4 million Number of senators to represent them - 0 Yeah, that seems right. you should add in all the territories and DC. it's wildly unfair.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 29, 2020 12:24:22 GMT -5
North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Vermont, Wyoming: Total population - 3.6 million Number of senators to represent them - 10 Puerto Rico: Total population - 3.4 million Number of senators to represent them - 0 Yeah, that seems right. They are working toward statehood, as is DC. Guess who is fighting it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 13:53:04 GMT -5
Again, 2 Senators per state, states have different populations. (bolded) Think tank New America, is not aware of the Federal amendment process ? Not my kind of think tank. Diogenes 23, twenty year retiree, sees a wave of young people who don't take the time to look up from their collective devices, much less get up and do something about it. If it's not handed to them, it's not going to happen. I would really like to be proved wrong on that one, but I just don't see it happening. 2 Senators under the current system of government in the US. That is an incredible leap from the fact that I cited one simple fact reported by one person from a think tank to they being uninformed idiots. I have worked with a lot of very active aware young people. No comment on minority rule. Loyalist to the end? You said they were uninformed idiots as of now, not me. If this 'think tank' is comprised of US citizens, they should know that there is a procedure in place, right in the constitution of this country, to achieve what they want. All I see from this 'fact' you cited, is ignorance of our governmental system. Not exactly 'think tank' material. You didn't place any links showing the other members of this think tank deriding his observation under our system. No comment on minority rule, because it doesn't have the votes to change the system through the amendment process. Ties in quite handily with my 'if it's not handed to them' summation. I'm a loyalist to the nines, when it comes to following the constitution.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 13:53:56 GMT -5
They also need to eat. They would die otherwise. I didn't know that... 🧠 I wasn't sure.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2020 13:54:51 GMT -5
2 Senators under the current system of government in the US. That is an incredible leap from the fact that I cited one simple fact reported by one person from a think tank to they being uninformed idiots. I have worked with a lot of very active aware young people. No comment on minority rule. Loyalist to the end? You said they were uninformed idiots as of now, not me. If this 'think tank' is comprised of US citizens, they should know that there is a procedure in place, right in the constitution of this country, to achieve what they want. All I see from this 'fact' you cited, is ignorance of our governmental system. Not exactly 'think tank' material. You didn't place any links showing the other members of this think tank deriding his observation under our system. No comment on minority rule, because it doesn't have the votes to change the system through the amendment process. Ties in quite handily with my 'if it's not handed to them' summation. I'm a loyalist to the nines, when it comes to following the constitution. You believe in the constitution, yet you support trump. Quite the contradiction
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 13:54:56 GMT -5
North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Vermont, Wyoming: Total population - 3.6 million Number of senators to represent them - 10 Puerto Rico: Total population - 3.4 million Number of senators to represent them - 0 Yeah, that seems right. Comes with the 'territory'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 13:56:33 GMT -5
You said they were uninformed idiots as of now, not me. If this 'think tank' is comprised of US citizens, they should know that there is a procedure in place, right in the constitution of this country, to achieve what they want. All I see from this 'fact' you cited, is ignorance of our governmental system. Not exactly 'think tank' material. You didn't place any links showing the other members of this think tank deriding his observation under our system. No comment on minority rule, because it doesn't have the votes to change the system through the amendment process. Ties in quite handily with my 'if it's not handed to them' summation. I'm a loyalist to the nines, when it comes to following the constitution. You believe in the constitution, yet you support trump. Quite the contradiction From an ignorant viewpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:05:12 GMT -5
North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Vermont, Wyoming: Total population - 3.6 million Number of senators to represent them - 10 Puerto Rico: Total population - 3.4 million Number of senators to represent them - 0 Yeah, that seems right. They are working toward statehood, as is DC. Guess who is fighting it? Who is fighting it ? Puerto Rico statehood vote history 1967 referendum. A referendum on the status of the island was held in Puerto Rico on 23 July 1967. Voters were given the choice between being a Commonwealth, statehood or independence. The majority of voters voted for Commonwealth status, with a voter turnout of 65.9%. Sep 25 2019
More... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico#:~:text=1967%20referendum.%20A%20referendum%20on%20the%20status%20of,Commonwealth%20status%2C%20with%20a%20voter%20turnout%20of%2065.9%25.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2020 14:10:47 GMT -5
You believe in the constitution, yet you support trump. Quite the contradiction From an ignorant viewpoint. You think you are so smart, just like your hero. When one is judge and jury, it’s hard to lose
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:14:19 GMT -5
From an ignorant viewpoint. You think you are so smart, just like your hero. When one is judge and jury, it’s hard to lose I was only presented with your empty opinion, devoid of any actual information. It came across as 'my guy good' vs 'your guy bad'. What did you expect, lol.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2020 14:16:46 GMT -5
You think you are so smart, just like your hero. When one is judge and jury, it’s hard to lose I was only presented with your empty opinion, devoid of any actual information. It came across as 'my guy good' vs 'your guy bad'. What did you expect, lol. Trump has repeatedly claimed the ability to do things that are not in the constitution or the amendments. Maybe you need to take some of Biden’s drugs to help your memory if you can’t remember them
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:17:32 GMT -5
I was only presented with your empty opinion, devoid of any actual information. It came across as 'my guy good' vs 'your guy bad'. What did you expect, lol. Trump has repeatedly claimed the ability to do things that are not in the constitution or the amendments. Maybe you need to take some of Biden’s drugs to help your memory if you can’t remember them Still waiting doc... You can forget about aiming personal stuff at me, I'll just laugh at you.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 29, 2020 14:20:56 GMT -5
2 Senators under the current system of government in the US. That is an incredible leap from the fact that I cited one simple fact reported by one person from a think tank to they being uninformed idiots. I have worked with a lot of very active aware young people. No comment on minority rule. Loyalist to the end? You said they were uninformed idiots as of now, not me. If this 'think tank' is comprised of US citizens, they should know that there is a procedure in place, right in the constitution of this country, to achieve what they want. All I see from this 'fact' you cited, is ignorance of our governmental system. Not exactly 'think tank' material. You didn't place any links showing the other members of this think tank deriding his observation under our system. No comment on minority rule, because it doesn't have the votes to change the system through the amendment process. Ties in quite handily with my 'if it's not handed to them' summation. I'm a loyalist to the nines, when it comes to following the constitution. A report showing a count of votes is a fact, not a "fact". The minority currently has the votes to maintain the status quo. The question from the article is how long the majority will put up with them maintaining it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2020 14:21:18 GMT -5
Trump has repeatedly claimed the ability to do things that are not in the constitution or the amendments. Maybe you need to take some of Biden’s drugs to help your memory if you can’t remember them Still waiting doc... Let’s start with his claim he should get be allowed a third term. He claimed he could shut the country down, claiming ultimate authority. Deferring payroll taxes, not something he can do. Signing his executive order about pre-existing conditions. It goes on and on. But defend him because you want to. Just own up to it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:25:45 GMT -5
You said they were uninformed idiots as of now, not me. If this 'think tank' is comprised of US citizens, they should know that there is a procedure in place, right in the constitution of this country, to achieve what they want. All I see from this 'fact' you cited, is ignorance of our governmental system. Not exactly 'think tank' material. You didn't place any links showing the other members of this think tank deriding his observation under our system. No comment on minority rule, because it doesn't have the votes to change the system through the amendment process. Ties in quite handily with my 'if it's not handed to them' summation. I'm a loyalist to the nines, when it comes to following the constitution. A report showing a count of votes is a fact, not a "fact". The minority currently has the votes to maintain the status quo. The question from the article is how long the majority will put up with them maintaining it. Anybody's guess on the timeframe. Look at the ERA ratification going on since 1972 for example. Quote; Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a longtime ERA advocate, told an audience at Georgetown University Law School earlier this week that she thinks ERA activists should start over.www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-house-removes-era-ratification-deadline-one-obstacle-to-enactment/2020/02/13/e82aa802-4de5-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:29:00 GMT -5
Still waiting doc... Let’s start with his claim he should get be allowed a third term. He claimed he could shut the country down, claiming ultimate authority. Deferring payroll taxes, not something he can do. Signing his executive order about pre-existing conditions. It goes on and on. But defend him because you want to. Just own up to it I see no record of him attempting this. Are you getting these 'claims' from political rally nonsense. So far I'm just chuckling a bit, it was the 'defending' projection in your post.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 29, 2020 14:33:09 GMT -5
Let’s start with his claim he should get be allowed a third term. He claimed he could shut the country down, claiming ultimate authority. Deferring payroll taxes, not something he can do. Signing his executive order about pre-existing conditions. It goes on and on. But defend him because you want to. Just own up to it I see no record of him attempting this. Are you getting these 'claims' from political rally nonsense. So far I'm just chuckling a bit, it was the 'defending' projection in your post. Guess you really need Biden’s drugs then, or pay attention to something other than fox news😀
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:36:03 GMT -5
I see no record of him attempting this. Are you getting these 'claims' from political rally nonsense. So far I'm just chuckling a bit, it was the 'defending' projection in your post. Guess you really need Biden’s drugs then, or pay attention to something other than fox news😀 Looks like a fail on your ability to back up your claim then. Have a nice day, see you at the next BS session. I'll remember your weighty ponderings on this last one.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 29, 2020 14:40:43 GMT -5
It has been building for a long time.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 29, 2020 15:17:30 GMT -5
Well....besides the people of Puerto Rico, who don't seem to vote... The Department of Justice has put the brakes on the referendum.
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