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Post by oped on Aug 17, 2020 19:07:19 GMT -5
I think the saliva tests could have a real impact, if we can get them rolled out quickly in large enough numbers.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 17, 2020 19:08:29 GMT -5
How do you keep it at 2? Are they testing the kids every day? Masks, social distancing, not mixing classes, lots of cleaning, temp screening in the morning and at lunch... This was our plan, too, to even include face shields as part of PPE. But, the school changed their minds. We have anywhere from 25-70 new cases a day in our county of almost a half mil. So, now face to face school will be phased in, starting with kindy kids. An new grade will be added every 2 weeks. Which means my 7th grader isn't going back until Dec. And IMVHO, the current solution now is worse than last spring. No, my 8 year old is not going to want to be online from 9-2 every day, with a 30 minute lunch break. No, we don't want to be online with her for that long, and no, we can't be online with her for that long. Because 2 year old. I still don't understand why they are giving the kids 1.5x the academic content that the kids would be getting in a face to face setting. Even in 3rd grade, the kids get 15 hours of pure academic content a week..this is after you take out for specials, 3 recesses, etc. There's no need for the peanut to be in front of a screen for 5 hours a day for academic work.
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Masks, social distancing, not mixing classes, lots of cleaning, temp screening in the morning and at lunch... This was our plan, too, to even include face shields as part of PPE. But, the school changed their minds. We have anywhere from 25-70 new cases a day in our county of almost a half mil. So, now face to face school will be phased in, starting with kindy kids. An new grade will be added every 2 weeks. Which means my 7th grader isn't going back until Dec. And IMVHO, the current solution now is worse than last spring. No, my 8 year old is not going to want to be online from 9-2 every day, with a 30 minute lunch break. No, we don't want to be online with her for that long, and no, we can't be online with her for that long. Because 2 year old. I still don't understand why they are giving the kids 1.5x the academic content that the kids would be getting in a face to face setting. Even in 3rd grade, the kids get 15 hours of pure academic content a week..this is after you take out for specials, 3 recesses, etc. There's no need for the peanut to be in front of a screen for 5 hours a day for academic work. Yuck. I'd rather go back to the meaningless 1 hour a day work packets than that. Although Carrot might struggle more with 6 hours of in-person traditional school for the first time ever than he would with online instruction. The Montessori was a lot more laid back. This is going to be a stressful year for a lot of people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 19:16:33 GMT -5
I don't think even the most optimistic back to school advocates out there believed there wouldn't be positive cases at the colleges. Even our little private school knows there will probably be 2 positive cases on the campus at any given time. She doesn’t want any risk. Any opening up will cause cases to go up. The only question is can they be minimized. We need to find a way to have some semblance of a life while trying to control the virus I can speak for myself, thanks though. I'm not completely risk adverse. I just think it's stupid to open colleges and dorms in the middle of an OUT-of-CONTROL pandemic without a plan to control it. All it will do is kill off college professors and spread in the community. It's predictable. It would be different if this country was testing, tracing and isolating. But, we aren't.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 18, 2020 7:41:52 GMT -5
Masks, social distancing, not mixing classes, lots of cleaning, temp screening in the morning and at lunch... This was our plan, too, to even include face shields as part of PPE. But, the school changed their minds. We have anywhere from 25-70 new cases a day in our county of almost a half mil. So, now face to face school will be phased in, starting with kindy kids. An new grade will be added every 2 weeks. Which means my 7th grader isn't going back until Dec. And IMVHO, the current solution now is worse than last spring. No, my 8 year old is not going to want to be online from 9-2 every day, with a 30 minute lunch break. No, we don't want to be online with her for that long, and no, we can't be online with her for that long. Because 2 year old. I still don't understand why they are giving the kids 1.5x the academic content that the kids would be getting in a face to face setting. Even in 3rd grade, the kids get 15 hours of pure academic content a week..this is after you take out for specials, 3 recesses, etc. There's no need for the peanut to be in front of a screen for 5 hours a day for academic work. The virtual option our school signed up with is like this, even more strict actually. I was reading through all the things you have to do to meet their standards and it was ridiculous. I don't even do that much work in a regular day and I'm going to expect Abby and Gwen to do it? So we ended up going with the school's hybrid plan those online classes are the same as in person. They are trying to implement strict rules for that too but they are going in one ear and out the other. Unlike the virtual school we cannot be kicked out if the kids don't sit at their computer for the full school day with only a 30 minute break for lunch. I'll get an email lecture but that's it.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 18, 2020 8:30:26 GMT -5
Iowa doesn't know what the positivity rate is until the state's website is re-programmed. Want to bet school will have already started?
Local paper has recalculated positivity rate. Who knows if they are doing it correctly. If there calculations are correct, the current 7 day rolling average is 13.8%
CDC says schools should not re-open if rate is > 5%. We are at 13.8%. Yet the governor insists schools be in-person at least 50% of the time.
Should schools in Iowa be opening with a positivity rate of 13.8%?
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 18, 2020 9:07:46 GMT -5
I was talking with sons endocrinologist yesterday and she said she wished the schools could have just come out and said in June, everythings online and this is what it will look like. Then the what if plans could be if things were better and in person were an option would be the moving target. 100% online school doesnt "work" for her family or job either, but wouldnt it be great to know and plan around the worst case scenario?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 18, 2020 14:50:02 GMT -5
Ours kinda did but then Reynolds came in and said no because it interferes with Trump's desires. She has her nose so far up his ass she can smell what he had for breakfast. I just printed off everything I've received so far from the school so I have an idea of what is going on. I am going to be an alcoholic by the end of the school year. In a different world I feel that our school system would have teamed up with IWCC that does extensive online learning and set up a platform similar for school. I get that there are teacher contracts, required hours of education yada yada but instead of kissing Trump's ass couldn't our governor have temporarily changed the rules to allow for more flexibility like you get when taking college courses? Instead they contracted with a virtual school that's program is so strict I don't think even I could manage to stay in the program all semester and I am the most uptight rule following person you could ever meet. So we went with the school hybrid so we could have online classes taught by the school so if we screw up what are they going to do? Make them attend class in person? Send them to their rooms to think about what they did? As long as they get marked present for the day I am not going to attempt or expect DH to attempt to keep them in that chair all day with only a half hour for lunch. They are both far enough ahead that one year is not going to kill us. Who remembers what their grades where in 1st and 5th anyhow? Yes I realize that I am incredibly privileged that I can say that and not worry about the repercussions or my kids' actual education. The guy that did my tattoo was telling me his kid is special needs and was already behind to begin with. Their child is going to be entering 8th grade so the further he falls behind the more worried they are because the next few years count grade/GPA wise. They are paying out the nose for a tutor. I feel bad for parents/kids in those type of positions or worse. It's disgusting to me that people like Reynolds, Ricketts and Trump are using kids in those positions to push their agendas regarding COVID. If you actually cared a single shred about these kids then reforms would have been put in place long ago so no kid/parent would be in that type of bind to begin with.
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Post by oped on Aug 18, 2020 14:54:22 GMT -5
Our local district contracted with an Elearning organization. You choose them or school (by semester I think?) if you choose school you go hybrid or our district teachers online if that is eventually necessary. So many chose w learning that they are assigning some teachers just to monitor progress and tutor the elearning kids..,
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Post by teen persuasion on Aug 18, 2020 15:16:03 GMT -5
Oh, I am so meetinged-out.
The CSD had their required 3 online meetings, 2 yesterday and one early this morning. The superintendent crammed as much info as he could into each hour+ FB live video, answering the questions we submitted by Google forms (and some comments during).
We are going hybrid, A-J on M/T, the rest Th/F, remote opposite days + W. You can opt for 100% remote, and drop down to fully remote if you hate hybrid, but swapping back in to hybrid only if there's room. Lots of questions about why can't we do 5 days like other districts, can we do more days in person, when do we go back to in person? Reading between the lines, if enough people self-select 100% remote, the others might be able to do all in person (if they can stay under 12 kids per classroom, essentially).
There were several references to a lack of masks and social distancing at the yearbook pickup in June - glad I wasn't the only one who noticed and was appalled.
Masks required all the time for now (planning for outdoor mask breaks); looking at getting shields for desks to allow mask removal in class (I hate this idea). Still planning on music, but band and chorus are problematic for obvious reasons. My DS5 is orchestra, but even there, I have no idea how you practice as one group when you are permanently 2 cohorts that never cross paths.
My biggest question was what happens on remote days - are you watching the teacher holding class on site (synchronous) or working independently, or ? The fuzzy description is that there will be both synchronous and asynchronous learning on those days. Uhn-huh... so teachers will be teaching each cohort separately (there was discussion of the M/T cohort missing more days due to fed holidays). Which is twice the work for teachers.
Lots of discussion of kids with special needs, IEPs, speech therapy (how do you do that with masks, safely), BOCES. They get extra days, especially BOCES who go 5 days a week. But that conflicts with efforts to lower bussing numbers.
So many changes to revert things: discouraging use of lockers, open windows and doors for air circulation, using multiple doors to prevent bottlenecks (instead of locking most doors and windows for security), rescinding a water bottle ban in MS - encouraging water bottles instead of fountains, bus schedule set in stone instead of formerly easy change of bus pickup/drop off, encouraging multi-day assignments/lessons instead of single session work, no class sets of shared stuff (like calculators).
Best conflicting rule set: use hand sanitizer, but you can't bring it on the bus (flammable); we might have an early drop-off day for it - but where do you keep it if you are not supposed to use lockers?
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Post by jerseygirl on Aug 18, 2020 15:27:53 GMT -5
Ours kinda did but then Reynolds came in and said no because it interferes with Trump's desires. She has her nose so far up his ass she can smell what he had for breakfast. I just printed off everything I've received so far from the school so I have an idea of what is going on. I am going to be an alcoholic by the end of the school year. In a different world I feel that our school system would have teamed up with IWCC that does extensive online learning and set up a platform similar for school. I get that there are teacher contracts, required hours of education yada yada but instead of kissing Trump's ass couldn't our governor have temporarily changed the rules to allow for more flexibility like you get when taking college courses? Instead they contracted with a virtual school that's program is so strict I don't think even I could manage to stay in the program all semester and I am the most uptight rule following person you could ever meet. So we went with the school hybrid so we could have online classes taught by the school so if we screw up what are they going to do? Make them attend class in person? Send them to their rooms to think about what they did? As long as they get marked present for the day I am not going to attempt or expect DH to attempt to keep them in that chair all day with only a half hour for lunch. They are both far enough ahead that one year is not going to kill us. Who remembers what their grades where in 1st and 5th anyhow? Yes I realize that I am incredibly privileged that I can say that and not worry about the repercussions or my kids' actual education. The guy that did my tattoo was telling me his kid is special needs and was already behind to begin with. Their child is going to be entering 8th grade so the further he falls behind the more worried they are because the next few years count grade/GPA wise. They are paying out the nose for a tutor. I feel bad for parents/kids in those type of positions or worse. It's disgusting to me that people like Reynolds, Ricketts and Trump are using kids in those positions to push their agendas regarding COVID. If you actually cared a single shred about these kids then reforms would have been put in place long ago so no kid/parent would be in that type of bind to begin with. [ Sorry there’s so much worry about school and kiddies. You’re right only a year but for some kids a real problem I’m confused about your post. Looks like your district is some days in class some online. Why are you angry about governor? Thought trump agenda is wanting schools open? But governor is asking all online??? Agree little kiddies aren’t going to be able to deal with online (nor are their parents) Even HS kids mostly won’t I’m just a grandma but also the school problem is so anxiety provoking. Also have teachers in our family and they’re anxious
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 18, 2020 16:01:25 GMT -5
Looks like your district is some days in class some online. Why are you angry about governor? Thought trump agenda is wanting schools open? But governor is asking all onlineNope. A lot of districts in Iowa were looking to go 100% virtual, especially counties like Polk that have such high numbers. Reynolds has not been leading UNLESS it goes against Trump/the Republican agenda. In this case Trump has been pushing for 100% open. At first Reynolds stepped in and has been holding press conferences stating schools would be 100% open in Iowa. She received enough backlash on that that she turned around and said you have have hybrid IF you are open 50% of the time. YOu cannot be 100% virtual unless you prove there are "health concerns" for doing so because apparently a global pandemic is not a big enough health crisis. She did this AFTER the deadline to submit your plans. AFTER the deadline for schools to announce their plans to the public. She left parents 24 days to get used to the idea of school and only a week to decide to enroll in 100% virtual. Many of the schools had already announced their plans, including ours, and were forced to back track. Some cities have decided to sue her and go 100% virtual anyhow. I got lucky with my school district that with a couple tweaks were able to meet Reynolds new guidelines. She recently walked out of a press conference when pressed to explain how she came to the conclusion that schools are ready to be 50% open when our state is listed as one of the top 11 taht has no business "reopening" (which is a misnomer we never closed to begin with). I don't appreciate that our governor has not done ANYTHING to actually govern during this crisis because "it is up to the cities" and she cannot infringe on Iowans rights by shutting the state down or ordering mask mandates UNTIL it is in conflict with the agenda she's been fed by the White House and the Republican party. Don't me wrong I know a lot of the state eats up her act. What is funny is those that do are some of the hardest hit counties in the state. Guess their right to not wear a mask and have their governor stand by that is more important than their health or that of their kids.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 18, 2020 17:54:40 GMT -5
Reynolds says she trusts Iowans to do the right thing, so everyone is doing their thing and probably over 50% are not doing the right thing.
I am happy that Dubuque has a mask mandate. I am seeing a lot more masks now.
Reynolds is now mishandling the derechoe as badly as she has Covid.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 18, 2020 18:29:47 GMT -5
Michigan State just changed the fall semester to online for all undergrad.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 18, 2020 21:26:26 GMT -5
I found out today our schools enrollment dropped 1/3rd. I'm so worried about how their funding will be affected. I guess social distancing will be easier, but the year after next is going to be so tough.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 18, 2020 21:33:51 GMT -5
Just submitted feedback to the school system requesting that they consider an option for a parent to cover a given lesson with their kid rather than sitting through the live or recorded lesson. Also requested they consider a “temporary homeschooling” designation that would give temporary homeschoolers access to online curriculum and virtual resources. I don’t really expect either one to become a reality, but I think both would do a lot toward the ultimate goal of maintaining learning until it’s safe to send kids back in person.
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Post by haapai on Aug 18, 2020 22:50:53 GMT -5
Michigan State just changed the fall semester to online for all undergrad. Yup, and they also asked students who were planning on living in the dorms to not move in and asked students who were planning on living off campus to reconsider.
This is great news for someone who works retail in Ingham county. It dramatically reduces the chances that the university will seed an outbreak that reaches far beyond campus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 7:10:33 GMT -5
I found out today our schools enrollment dropped 1/3rd. I'm so worried about how their funding will be affected. I guess social distancing will be easier, but the year after next is going to be so tough. Can someone in education explain how this decrease works? According to my tax bill, my property taxes include $X for the school systems. It is NOT per student, so they get their share of the property taxes regardless of number of students. Then they get $Y per student from the state. So, all they lose is the $Y per student and with fewer students they need fewer teachers (and many seem to be retiring anyway) and less administration. I realize that losing one student and the state funding for that student doesn't allow for savings- you still need the same number of teachers, etc.- but with a 1/3 drop I'd think they could make some cuts. On the way home yesterday I heard a radio commercial for a Lutheran HS- they're open for business and accepting applications!
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 19, 2020 7:19:52 GMT -5
I believe the school funding issue is particular to each state.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Aug 19, 2020 7:25:20 GMT -5
My Alma mater moved most things online. Exceptions for freshman, the lab portion of classes and graduate level and professional courses. The problem is the majority live off campus. They signed leases for this fall before things shut down in March. No one is letting them out of those leases. Even the university is not giving the option for the buildings they own that are off campus, no meal plan required.
Yes, it would be great if they stayed away if possible. I understand though if you are forced to pay rent you might as well get something from it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 7:26:02 GMT -5
In my state only 30% of the funding for K-12 comes from local property taxes, the rest is from the state and is per student based.
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Post by oped on Aug 19, 2020 7:27:54 GMT -5
West Chester specifically offered grants to cover leases. Not sure if they are using care money or something else? They are the only school I heard about doing that specifically.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 19, 2020 7:33:47 GMT -5
I found out today our schools enrollment dropped 1/3rd. I'm so worried about how their funding will be affected. I guess social distancing will be easier, but the year after next is going to be so tough. Can someone in education explain how this decrease works? According to my tax bill, my property taxes include $X for the school systems. It is NOT per student, so they get their share of the property taxes regardless of number of students. Then they get $Y per student from the state. So, all they lose is the $Y per student and with fewer students they need fewer teachers (and many seem to be retiring anyway) and less administration. I realize that losing one student and the state funding for that student doesn't allow for savings- you still need the same number of teachers, etc.- but with a 1/3 drop I'd think they could make some cuts. On the way home yesterday I heard a radio commercial for a Lutheran HS- they're open for business and accepting applications! I can't paste the link from my phone but taxes are the smallest percentage of funding for our schools. Enrollment and attendance dictate school funding.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 19, 2020 8:15:23 GMT -5
In my state, property taxes can only be used to fund fixed assets.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 8:29:25 GMT -5
In my state only 30% of the funding for K-12 comes from local property taxes, the rest is from the state and is per student based. Thanks- I didn't realize the state share was that big a %.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 19, 2020 8:30:32 GMT -5
Also funding is set the year prior, so this years budget is based on last years enrollment. They cant make cuts based on lower enrollment this year, although there are plenty of increased costs this year. The pain comes next year, assuming we have a vaccine and enrollment goes back even 50% higher, theyre functioning on a ridiculously low budget, from an already cut state wide education budget.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 19, 2020 8:53:10 GMT -5
I found out today our schools enrollment dropped 1/3rd. I'm so worried about how their funding will be affected. I guess social distancing will be easier, but the year after next is going to be so tough. My Facebook has been filled with posts practically begging parents to enroll their kids this year. I've even seen posts asking parents to enroll in K, have their kid show up for daily attendance and then don't bother doing anything if you think it's not worthwhile. Why? Because for every 20 kids that don't enroll a school loses a teacher. Due to massive tax revenue decreases the GA education budget is going to take a $1B hit so if schools have cut teachers this year due to low enrollment then there's almost no chance they'll be able to re-hire even when all the students register next year. So, you're going to have students that have missed a year of education in overcrowded classrooms.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 19, 2020 9:15:27 GMT -5
I found out today our schools enrollment dropped 1/3rd. I'm so worried about how their funding will be affected. I guess social distancing will be easier, but the year after next is going to be so tough. My Facebook has been filled with posts practically begging parents to enroll their kids this year. I've even seen posts asking parents to enroll in K, have their kid show up for daily attendance and then don't bother doing anything if you think it's not worthwhile. Why? Because for every 20 kids that don't enroll a school loses a teacher. Due to massive tax revenue decreases the GA education budget is going to take a $1B hit so if schools have cut teachers this year due to low enrollment then there's almost no chance they'll be able to re-hire even when all the students register next year. So, you're going to have students that have missed a year of education in overcrowded classrooms. I have so much guilt for pulling the kids out I really am tempted to enroll in the online option through the attendance date. I just cant see how we can even keep up appearances of online 8-3:30 for 2 months though. The world is turned upside down, I feel like we need to suspend some of these rules.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 19, 2020 10:06:08 GMT -5
My Facebook has been filled with posts practically begging parents to enroll their kids this year. I've even seen posts asking parents to enroll in K, have their kid show up for daily attendance and then don't bother doing anything if you think it's not worthwhile. Why? Because for every 20 kids that don't enroll a school loses a teacher. Due to massive tax revenue decreases the GA education budget is going to take a $1B hit so if schools have cut teachers this year due to low enrollment then there's almost no chance they'll be able to re-hire even when all the students register next year. So, you're going to have students that have missed a year of education in overcrowded classrooms. I have so much guilt for pulling the kids out I really am tempted to enroll in the online option through the attendance date. I just cant see how we can even keep up appearances of online 8-3:30 for 2 months though. The world is turned upside down, I feel like we need to suspend some of these rules. That is a ridiculous amount of time for kids to be online. How do they register attendance?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 10:14:18 GMT -5
I wish schooling nation-wide would have just gone virtual with some sort of good plan, but I guess that's impossible in the current climate...
In CA, your county collects a certain amount of taxes earmarked for schools. It is divided among the schools based on enrollment on a certain date. The schools hated the charter school because it would "steal" their enrollment and funds.
If School X has 50% of the county's enrollment, they get 50% of the allotted tax money. If 10% of those kids went to the charter school, all that money followed them.
I hear they no longer allow students to enroll in any school in the county and are now enforcing boundaries for just this reason.
There's also state/fed funding that is attached to enrollment and yearly standardized test scores/free lunch numbers.
I think what most people don't realize is that by the time schools pay their fixed expenses plus payroll/benefits, there is very, very little money left over.
In fact, we had some smaller schools that did stupid things like offering lifetime health insurance for past board members to encourage community members to care about the local schools, and some of those schools now have nearly zero funding for anything new each year - thus the parents buying long supply lists to pay for those past mistakes year after year.
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