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Post by Ava on Aug 15, 2020 13:42:48 GMT -5
The town I live in announced in-person school 5 days a week, part-time. Kids will go to school in the am, go home around 1 pm and continue with the rest of the school day from home. I hope they can pull this through.
I talked to my friend who's son attends UConn. He had to be at the university yesterday to move in. It's two weeks before classes start. Students movements will be very limited and there's less than 50 percent occupancy. Students from out of state and foreign students were informed three days ago that they won't be allowed on campus. How bad is that? These students thought they would be able to be at the school, and were just informed they won't be admitted a little over two weeks from class start date.
I think my friend's son has made a mistake by being there in person. He lives approx. 40 miles from the school, several classes are online, and he's paying room and board. Actually, he's not paying, he's accumulating insane amounts of student loans. He told me once he expects to graduate with $250,000 in loans. I almost fainted. Didn't say anything though, not my show not my monkeys. It's for a pharmacy degree, but still.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 15, 2020 13:48:46 GMT -5
It does make me angry our local school superintendent put info in the paper that said kids under 10 should be in school because they don't get or transmit the virus. Ug......Sounds like common sense went out the window. Maybe the kids are less susceptible but what happens when teachers and support staff are sick and can't be at the school. Don't know what the answer is. DGD said the charter school her DD is in will resume in person school on Aug 24. Just keeping my fingers crossed.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 15, 2020 13:51:31 GMT -5
It's for a pharmacy degree, but still.Has he looked at the potential income versus a quarter million $ debt? What happened to common sense?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 15, 2020 14:02:58 GMT -5
CT has about 100 cases/day, and has been that way for over a month, with positivity rates of 1%. If they can't do this safely, then no one else has any business in trying. Unfortunately, the only way to know what works and what doesn't, and if we can control the pandemic while opening things up, is to attempt to do it with precautions. It is not like they are looking to open up sporting events. Education is far more important. And, if it cannot be done there, no one else has any business doing it
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Post by Happy prose on Aug 15, 2020 14:30:16 GMT -5
My daughter works for a school for kids with 'issues'. The students and staff have been remote. Three weeks ago, they decided the staff should work in person, two days one week, three the next. They did this for 3 weeks, and had two cases of covid last week. Now everyone home again. Very sad situation, as these kids really need to go to school. They haven't come up with a new plan yet, but it's only been a week.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 15, 2020 14:33:24 GMT -5
Since some of the largest school districts in Iowa are saying they are starting the school year online, the governor has decided those districts can't compete in fall sports.
As far as I am concerned, because of the positivity rate in this state, we shouldn't be playing sports anyway.
They played softball and baseball this summer. Some schools had to go in to quarantine and some didn't get to finish the season. Those sports are outdoors. Football will have so many more players on a team. Volleyball is played indoors. They can probably pull off cross country.
I can hardly wait for winter when there is wrestling. Talk about a recipe for disaster.
Case numbers seem to be down this week, but three testing sites were hit by the derecho that went through Iowa last Monday. That means they were not testing so of course numbers are down. Deaths have not stopped because of the lag time and positive % is over 10%.
Some schools are starting a week from Monday. The schools in the hardest hit areas of the state from the derecho have put plans for school on hold indefinitely. They have major damage to their buildings. In Cedar Rapids, every single building had damage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 15:28:02 GMT -5
CT has about 100 cases/day, and has been that way for over a month, with positivity rates of 1%. If they can't do this safely, then no one else has any business in trying. Unfortunately, the only way to know what works and what doesn't, and if we can control the pandemic while opening things up, is to attempt to do it with precautions. It is not like they are looking to open up sporting events. Education is far more important. And, if it cannot be done there, no one else has any business doing it Um, my public health's clinic just advertised for sports physicals. We don't meet the state's criteria for opening up, but got a special exemption and schools are opening for in-person. Tonight is the demolition derby. We are getting ready for a Jr Rodeo and a county fair right about the time school starts. People in this state aren't supposed to have gatherings of more than 10 people or large events. So, not sure how to get to do the above, but not my circus... From personal experience at the farmers markets - no masks at all, and the the grocery/hardware store - about 1/2 or less wear them - school here should be a breeding ground.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Aug 15, 2020 19:11:31 GMT -5
It's for a pharmacy degree, but still.Has he looked at the potential income versus a quarter million $ debt? What happened to common sense? My DD1 will have that much for her medical degree. Actually , a bit more like $350,000.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 15, 2020 19:44:38 GMT -5
I think my friend's son has made a mistake by being there in person. He lives approx. 40 miles from the school, several classes are online, and he's paying room and board. Actually, he's not paying, he's accumulating insane amounts of student loans. He told me once he expects to graduate with $250,000 in loans. I almost fainted. Didn't say anything though, not my show not my monkeys. It's for a pharmacy degree, but still. In state tuition for a Pharmacy degree, including preqs. at our flagship is about 140K.
100K for living expenses for 6 years seems fairly reasonable. That's like 16K a year. Even living in the hood and sharing an apartment, rent would be 6K a year. Internet is another 1k a year, give or take. Cell phone..probably 600 a year. I'd also assume a car at some point, for doing clinical. WITHOUT a car payment, I think I figured it cost like $300/month to have a car as a student. Parking generally is not free.
The average salary is also 134K a year.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 15, 2020 19:59:06 GMT -5
It's for a pharmacy degree, but still.Has he looked at the potential income versus a quarter million $ debt? What happened to common sense? So only rich people can be pharmacists? Maybe we should do something about costs, so people don’t have to take out loans like that. But that would require caring about others
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Post by stillmovingforward on Aug 15, 2020 20:10:32 GMT -5
And then you have your boards, some of which you have to travel for, study material for boards, etc. Oh, and lots protective gear for rotations. And dress clothes no student would need but you have to have for clinicals and scrubs. Neat scrubs. Not used ones. So much $! So people can complain how much money a Dr makes. It breaks my heart sometimes how much she has to spend.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 15, 2020 20:35:03 GMT -5
And then you have your boards, some of which you have to travel for, study material for boards, etc. Oh, and lots protective gear for rotations. And dress clothes no student would need but you have to have for clinicals and scrubs. Neat scrubs. Not used ones. So much $! So people can complain how much money a Dr makes. It breaks my heart sometimes how much she has to spend. Unless you live it, you can’t understand. And, you do not make significant money until you are in your 30’s. In some specialties, well into your 30’s.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 20:53:51 GMT -5
I think my friend's son has made a mistake by being there in person. He lives approx. 40 miles from the school, several classes are online, and he's paying room and board. Actually, he's not paying, he's accumulating insane amounts of student loans. He told me once he expects to graduate with $250,000 in loans. I almost fainted. Didn't say anything though, not my show not my monkeys. It's for a pharmacy degree, but still. In state tuition for a Pharmacy degree, including preqs. at our flagship is about 140K.
100K for living expenses for 6 years seems fairly reasonable. That's like 16K a year. Even living in the hood and sharing an apartment, rent would be 6K a year. Internet is another 1k a year, give or take. Cell phone..probably 600 a year. I'd also assume a car at some point, for doing clinical. WITHOUT a car payment, I think I figured it cost like $300/month to have a car as a student. Parking generally is not free.
The average salary is also 134K a year.
I just looked up Auburn's tuition and fees. They are our only public university offering the degree. It is $42k a year so about $170k for 4 years. Plus, of course, living expenses. My daughter is a pharmacist. She did it in six years--two years of pre-pharm and four years of pharmacy school to get a PharmD degree. Now, though, they require a four-year degree. She earns good money, though, even working part-time.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Aug 15, 2020 21:39:15 GMT -5
I think she'll be family med. And prefers underserved populations (low income, immigrant, homeless, etc.). So a short residency but low income, for a Dr. She'll be happy though. All she's ever wanted to be is a Dr.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 15, 2020 21:43:14 GMT -5
I think she'll be family med. And prefers underserved populations (low income, immigrant, homeless, etc.). So a short residency but low income, for a Dr. She'll be happy though. All she's ever wanted to be is a Dr. She’ll do fine then. If you live it, everything else falls into place
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 15, 2020 21:43:36 GMT -5
I think she'll be family med. And prefers underserved populations (low income, immigrant, homeless, etc.). So a short residency but low income, for a Dr. She'll be happy though. All she's ever wanted to be is a Dr. Maybe she’ll be eligible for loan forgiveness, if that’s the route she’s planning. All the best to her
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 15, 2020 21:49:59 GMT -5
I think she'll be family med. And prefers underserved populations (low income, immigrant, homeless, etc.). So a short residency but low income, for a Dr. She'll be happy though. All she's ever wanted to be is a Dr. There are some programs where if you are serving an underserved population, school loans are forgiven. I ran into many in my doctoral program that went this route to get their MD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 22:31:50 GMT -5
My previous MD and his wife met in medical school and got married. They moved to the area I previously lived in and started a small practice. Undeserved area and thus loan forgiveness, cheap COL. They had kush hours, lived about 10 minutes from skiing and other recreation, never had to put their kids in daycare, and built up their practice. Once their loans were forgiven they sold their practice to the local hospital to fund their retirement. It worked out very, very well for them. Once they sold, they went back to work as employees and arranged to only take patients by agreed upon referral.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 15, 2020 23:56:10 GMT -5
My previous MD and his wife met in medical school and got married. They moved to the area I previously lived in and started a small practice. Undeserved area and thus loan forgiveness, cheap COL. They had kush hours, lived about 10 minutes from skiing and other recreation, never had to put their kids in daycare, and built up their practice. Once their loans were forgiven they sold their practice to the local hospital to fund their retirement. It worked out very, very well for them. Once they sold, they went back to work as employees and arranged to only take patients by agreed upon referral. It doesn’t always work this well. One of the dropouts of the program was in a very isolated area alone. Her husband took a cut in pay (he was an engineer) in order for her to serve this community. She was on 24/7, and had horrible problems getting coverage to go to professional meetings or to get her CE credit. Schools were not good, and her kids were falling behind their peers. I think she was halfway through the program and quit. While her loans were getting paid, her husband’s career was stagnating and her kids were losing out.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Aug 16, 2020 10:41:31 GMT -5
What Mich says is what we can see happening. The areas where she would best practice have terrible schools (would I like to live with them when I retire and teach the kids, they ask?) and she says the ethical thing to do is work afternoons and evenings a few days per week. Because when your on the edge, taking time off to see a dr can be a disaster for your finances or keeping your job. Her DH is also in medical school and wants to be the same type of dr. Two like minded people.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 16, 2020 10:49:53 GMT -5
What Mich says is what we can see happening. The areas where she would best practice have terrible schools (would I like to live with them when I retire and teach the kids, they ask?) and she says the ethical thing to do is work afternoons and evenings a few days per week. Because when your on the edge, taking time off to see a dr can be a disaster for your finances or keeping your job. Her DH is also in medical school and wants to be the same type of dr. Two like minded people. Depending on the place, cost of living, and hospital support, they should be fine. Especially if they are eligible for loan forgiveness. They would just need to stick it out long enough to qualify. Some of these situations are actually quite nice, if you wind up in the right circumstances. Just needs to be your cup of tea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 10:50:37 GMT -5
And, some people get sick in their Sr. year of medical school and never finish but end up in debt for the rest of their lives. But, sometimes things work out.
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Post by Ava on Aug 16, 2020 16:38:52 GMT -5
I think my friend's son has made a mistake by being there in person. He lives approx. 40 miles from the school, several classes are online, and he's paying room and board. Actually, he's not paying, he's accumulating insane amounts of student loans. He told me once he expects to graduate with $250,000 in loans. I almost fainted. Didn't say anything though, not my show not my monkeys. It's for a pharmacy degree, but still. In state tuition for a Pharmacy degree, including preqs. at our flagship is about 140K.
100K for living expenses for 6 years seems fairly reasonable. That's like 16K a year. Even living in the hood and sharing an apartment, rent would be 6K a year. Internet is another 1k a year, give or take. Cell phone..probably 600 a year. I'd also assume a car at some point, for doing clinical. WITHOUT a car payment, I think I figured it cost like $300/month to have a car as a student. Parking generally is not free.
The average salary is also 134K a year.
I'm not denying it's expensive to go to school for 6 years, or that getting a Pharmacist degree it's not worth the expense. All I'm saying is that this particular person has some opportunities for saving, but he decided to go for the full time student experience living on campus. His parents are immigrants who bought into the American Dream of having a university son, and would agree to any price for it. He's an only child who gets easily pushed by his parents hopes and dreams. He's a non traditional student, 26 years old. He could live at home and shave easily 16k a year in room and board. He could work a couple of shifts at McD on the weekends.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 17, 2020 17:12:43 GMT -5
North Carolina had students return to school a week ago. That worked out well UNC-Chapel Hill reverses plans for in-person classes after 130 students test positive for Covid-19 link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 18:06:42 GMT -5
I don't think even the most optimistic back to school advocates out there believed there wouldn't be positive cases at the colleges. Even our little private school knows there will probably be 2 positive cases on the campus at any given time.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 17, 2020 18:29:22 GMT -5
I don't think even the most optimistic back to school advocates out there believed there wouldn't be positive cases at the colleges. Even our little private school knows there will probably be 2 positive cases on the campus at any given time. She doesn’t want any risk. Any opening up will cause cases to go up. The only question is can they be minimized. We need to find a way to have some semblance of a life while trying to control the virus
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Post by Ava on Aug 17, 2020 18:45:48 GMT -5
CT has about 100 cases/day, and has been that way for over a month, with positivity rates of 1%. If they can't do this safely, then no one else has any business in trying. Unfortunately, the only way to know what works and what doesn't, and if we can control the pandemic while opening things up, is to attempt to do it with precautions. It is not like they are looking to open up sporting events. Education is far more important. And, if it cannot be done there, no one else has any business doing it Yes, CT is doing great regarding Covid. The governor is handling this crisis appropriately. He surrounds himself and listens to scientists. I always say, elections have consequences, and CT has chosen well.
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Post by oped on Aug 17, 2020 18:48:55 GMT -5
I don't think even the most optimistic back to school advocates out there believed there wouldn't be positive cases at the colleges. Even our little private school knows there will probably be 2 positive cases on the campus at any given time. How do you keep it at 2? Are they testing the kids every day?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 18:55:00 GMT -5
I don't think even the most optimistic back to school advocates out there believed there wouldn't be positive cases at the colleges. Even our little private school knows there will probably be 2 positive cases on the campus at any given time. How do you keep it at 2? Are they testing the kids every day? Masks, social distancing, not mixing classes, lots of cleaning, temp screening in the morning and at lunch...
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