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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 30, 2020 13:27:09 GMT -5
Okay, school started here after Labor day, so we are 3 1/2 weeks in. I got an email yesterday (timestamped before his Tuesday class) from DS5's chem teacher that he had 6 assignments overdue! First few weeks he'd been on track, and she'd been a bit lenient after that because everything is new/crazy. Umm, 3.5 weeks in, first few good (ending 9/20, because she has weekly work due Sunday), then lenient for a bit (a week? 9/27?), now 6 things overdue - I'm having trouble with this timeline.
She gave me a code to look at his stuff on Schoology. Of course had to make another parent account to access, then change mode to view as DS5. Then figure out what and where everything is on the SW. OMG, no logical hierarchy to file/link structure, no easy breadcrumbs to find your way back when exploring, ambiguous icons with no descriptive hover text. Of course, I can't view most of his stuff (like assignments) because I don't have access. Then I start noticing stuff literally disappearing - 6 side menu links change to 3 (and don't reappear when I backtrack), a section with announcements going back to the start of school (reverse chronological) changes to empty (again, can't get it to revert by backtracking to the point I'd previously seen entries). I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it at the time, but who knew what would disappear? So I believe him when he says he can't see any assignments sometimes.
I was also comparing the chem teacher's setup to the English teacher's setup (only other one using Schoology this semester). English teacher's setup was much more logical and easily navigated (so not just Schoology's fault, though they created too many ambiguous places to put stuff). Tools are only as good as the person using them.
I tried to show DS5 some things I'd found in my brief explorations, and at least one dropdown menu mid-page he didn't even know about (despite both teachers having assignments devoted to using/learning Schoology at the beginning of the semester). I'd initially missed it, too, but quickly found it the best way to navigate (especially vs the 3/6 shrinking menu choices elsewhere).
DS5 and his cohort should be digital natives, he navigates online games and websites, etc, no problem. I've got a CS degree. And this platform is maddening.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 30, 2020 14:13:35 GMT -5
Teen persuasion, I’ve had the same experience on a lot of different education platforms, and pretty much everything else that the school chooses to use. Things that should be easy are way harder than they need to be.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Sept 30, 2020 14:19:05 GMT -5
Drama, sorry you’re having such a hard time with your kids schooling. And I agree with you that expecting teachers to be teaching and in person class, and a bunch of kids online simultaneously sounds like the seventh circle of hell. My oldest child school is doing just that, but he’s in junior high in a technology charter school. Both the teachers and students are much more technologically savvy. Forcing this on an ordinary elementary school seems incredibly difficult. By the way, the point I was making about the tree huggers and working from home is that I don’t remember seeing environmentalist putting a lot of pressure on employers to allow their employees to work from home. Instead, they accepted without question the idea that all office workers have to go into the office. Had environmentalist pushed for more working from home, they could’ve prevented a lot of fossil fuel use without asking anyone to destroy their quality-of-life. The first few weeks in lock down, I had never seen the sky so blue. It smelled so good outside. I had no idea I was living in **that much** pollution. It has been creeping up ever since. But, I agree that now that we have all worked from home, I won't be surprised if we never all work a mandatory full office 40 again. I think the real lesson is that anyone trying to save the world goes after the common man, asking them for changes and sacrifices. Thry don't bother asking industries and companies because they know fighting against corporate America is a losing battle. If every home consumer did half of what was asked of them, the world wouldn't get much better. If 15 corporations did half of what they should, there would be significant progress. Environmentalist have successfully destroyed entire industries. There are plenty powerful enough to ask corporate America to start letting people work from home a few days a week. They just didn’t bother. They’d rather prevent the logging industry from removing trees that were killed by the bark beetle, turn the forests into a tinderbox, And then blame the resulting epic fires on anything but themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 15:11:15 GMT -5
The first few weeks in lock down, I had never seen the sky so blue. It smelled so good outside. I had no idea I was living in **that much** pollution. It has been creeping up ever since. But, I agree that now that we have all worked from home, I won't be surprised if we never all work a mandatory full office 40 again. I think the real lesson is that anyone trying to save the world goes after the common man, asking them for changes and sacrifices. Thry don't bother asking industries and companies because they know fighting against corporate America is a losing battle. If every home consumer did half of what was asked of them, the world wouldn't get much better. If 15 corporations did half of what they should, there would be significant progress. Environmentalist have successfully destroyed entire industries. There are plenty powerful enough to ask corporate America to start letting people work from home a few days a week. They just didn’t bother. They’d rather prevent the logging industry from removing trees that were killed by the bark beetle, turn the forests into a tinderbox, And then blame the resulting epic fires on anything but themselves. 1000% that. Well, and the "spotted owl" bullshit. They now shoot and kill the spotted owls. The same said bird that killed logging completely where I used to live and put hundreds of people out of good-paying jobs.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 30, 2020 16:08:11 GMT -5
The first few weeks in lock down, I had never seen the sky so blue. It smelled so good outside. I had no idea I was living in **that much** pollution. It has been creeping up ever since. But, I agree that now that we have all worked from home, I won't be surprised if we never all work a mandatory full office 40 again. I think the real lesson is that anyone trying to save the world goes after the common man, asking them for changes and sacrifices. Thry don't bother asking industries and companies because they know fighting against corporate America is a losing battle. If every home consumer did half of what was asked of them, the world wouldn't get much better. If 15 corporations did half of what they should, there would be significant progress. Environmentalist have successfully destroyed entire industries. There are plenty powerful enough to ask corporate America to start letting people work from home a few days a week. They just didn’t bother. They’d rather prevent the logging industry from removing trees that were killed by the bark beetle, turn the forests into a tinderbox, And then blame the resulting epic fires on anything but themselves. Actually, they have been asking for years. Businesses don't just do things.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 30, 2020 16:11:39 GMT -5
Environmentalist have successfully destroyed entire industries. There are plenty powerful enough to ask corporate America to start letting people work from home a few days a week. They just didn’t bother. They’d rather prevent the logging industry from removing trees that were killed by the bark beetle, turn the forests into a tinderbox, And then blame the resulting epic fires on anything but themselves. Actually, they have been asking for years. Businesses don't just do things. It's like you are new here.
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Post by jerseygirl on Sept 30, 2020 16:26:22 GMT -5
One teacher in family (private HS in NYC) was put in quarantine with 2 other teachers after only 2 days in class. Grandsons (1 in 2nd grade 1 sophomore in HS) now back to virtual. They were in online for first 2 weeks then to class for 3 days. All Schools in the suburban Westchester town now shut cause 2 cases in middle school.
Little granddaughter in kindergarten pod can still go to class
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Post by stillmovingforward on Sept 30, 2020 21:03:26 GMT -5
Environmentalist have successfully destroyed entire industries. There are plenty powerful enough to ask corporate America to start letting people work from home a few days a week. They just didn’t bother. They’d rather prevent the logging industry from removing trees that were killed by the bark beetle, turn the forests into a tinderbox, And then blame the resulting epic fires on anything but themselves. 1000% that. Well, and the "spotted owl" bullshit. They now shoot and kill the spotted owls. The same said bird that killed logging completely where I used to live and put hundreds of people out of good-paying jobs. I was so excited when this happened! My now DH was able to be retrained for work that wasn't going to kill or cripple him. And he did really well for himself with that education! He's somewhat disabled now due to injuries they have traced back to his logging days. He was a bucker and a choker setter so, the rough end of the deal. The household joke is that i have a shrine to that little owl. 😂
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Post by Clifford on Oct 1, 2020 9:18:06 GMT -5
Environmentalist have successfully destroyed entire industries. There are plenty powerful enough to ask corporate America to start letting people work from home a few days a week. They just didn’t bother. They’d rather prevent the logging industry from removing trees that were killed by the bark beetle, turn the forests into a tinderbox, And then blame the resulting epic fires on anything but themselves. Actually, they have been asking for years. Businesses don't just do things. I've worked in Environmental Management for 20 years. I see 40 CFR in my sleep, and I've always worked on the business side - not as a regulator. Trust me when I say that you want someone advocating for the environment, or we'd all have COPD and might just glow in the dark. Businesses have a tough time meeting the enviro regs as it is. I think they're far from implementing green ideas on their own beyond what is required. I guess my point is that if you ever expect businesses to embrace work from home, then they have to be made to... or at least incentivized enough so that it shows them a net $$ benefit. Like maybe air emissions offsets based on number of employee hours working from home. And it would have to be enough to pay for the change, or they'd be better off money-wise trying to pollute just a little less at the factory... or just polluting and paying the fees - as they always have done.
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Post by geenamercile on Oct 1, 2020 17:08:48 GMT -5
Daughters are in for 6 weeks, work for 5 weeks and I am burning out. I don't know if I would feel the same way if I had a different job, but it is school all day at work and then I come home and it is around 3 hours of more school to help the girls. They are both doing all virtual and are doing what they can without me but they need support as well. So it is a lot sameness. I am lucky that the district I work for and the one the girls go to are using the same platform so I have been able to trouble shoot with them pretty easily. But I am just tired.
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Post by lurkyloo on Oct 2, 2020 19:03:21 GMT -5
I have officially lost count of the times the teacher has unmuted us while I’m saying “No [DS] don’t do x!” with varying levels of urgency I suck at this.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 2, 2020 19:19:25 GMT -5
My son's PE teacher is being a dick.
My son has mono and has been essentially excused from school until further notice. He is allowed to call on for any classes that he feels up to. So, his PE teachers gave him a bunch of zeros for not showing up, and he isn't budging. And, he told my son to just drop the class. Is that what you do if a kid breaks his leg or whatever?
Seriously, this isn't a movie from the 80's.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 2, 2020 19:45:57 GMT -5
Daughters are in for 6 weeks, work for 5 weeks and I am burning out. I don't know if I would feel the same way if I had a different job, but it is school all day at work and then I come home and it is around 3 hours of more school to help the girls. They are both doing all virtual and are doing what they can without me but they need support as well. So it is a lot sameness. I am lucky that the district I work for and the one the girls go to are using the same platform so I have been able to trouble shoot with them pretty easily. But I am just tired.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 2, 2020 19:47:01 GMT -5
My son's PE teacher is being a dick. My son has mono and has been essentially excused from school until further notice. He is allowed to call on for any classes that he feels up to. So, his PE teachers gave him a bunch of zeros for not showing up, and he isn't budging. And, he told my son to just drop the class. Is that what you do if a kid breaks his leg or whatever? Seriously, this isn't a movie from the 80's. If you would like the answer, I can explain it. If you're just wanting to vent:
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 2, 2020 19:49:22 GMT -5
Sorry didn't mean to be vague. Just frustrated that this is yet another complexity of the pandemic that is directly impacting my family. Our private K-8 school went from 180 kids to 248 with 68 new kids. Great for the school as we also opened our new building and needed additional enrollment to increase funding. Bad because so many kids at once is disruptive. My daughter's second grade classroom went from 13 to 19 and it sounds like at least 2 of the boys have behavioral problems which our school isn't particularly equipped to deal with. Besides being mama bear angry, I'm also disappointed that our school administrators keep bragging about the growth and waiting lists which I think has been a bit at our current families expense. DD12's 7th grade class added a kid that's clearly on the spectrum, and she's gone out of her way to be nice to him because he's irritatingly quirky and doesn't follow social cues. And now he's making it very difficult to balance him with her core group of friends. And this is a disruption that my 12 yo didn't need either. Plus I heard thru the grapevine that his folks aren't happy about putting him in our school and are bad-mouthing our school so I just want to say pull him and deal with him at home now. None of this is very Christian of me, but this year has maxxed me out. How's this going?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 2, 2020 19:50:29 GMT -5
We finally said something about Gwen's teacher. We had both kids stay home today as a precaution and the office told us that was totally fine. So Gwen attended online. The teacher put her on the spot asking why she was online instead of in class. Gwen told her and she dismissed it saying Gwen probably forgot to show up. Yes we heard it. DH went to get Gwen's workbook at the school and had words with the office. He said based on the reaction we're likely not the first parents to complain about her. Next step he told them is we meet with the principal. We tried being gracious and assuming it was stress, now DH has made one comment in person. Next time we do it my way. She's going to meet her match if we have to do it my way. How's this going?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 2, 2020 19:59:54 GMT -5
Haven't heard anything from her recently. Gwen hasn't said anything.
Wondering if she got a talking to? Imagine if the kids had COVID. Those comments could have backfired big time.
We're moving to full time school next week. We asked Gwen if she wanted us to request she be moved but she said no. We'll keep tabs as the semester continues.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 2, 2020 20:46:03 GMT -5
My son's PE teacher is being a dick. My son has mono and has been essentially excused from school until further notice. He is allowed to call on for any classes that he feels up to. So, his PE teachers gave him a bunch of zeros for not showing up, and he isn't budging. And, he told my son to just drop the class. Is that what you do if a kid breaks his leg or whatever? Seriously, this isn't a movie from the 80's. If you would like the answer, I can explain it. If you're just wanting to vent: Well....now it is a little of both. Help me understand.
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Post by giramomma on Oct 2, 2020 23:20:25 GMT -5
The peanut's grade (3rd) is going back hybrid on Monday. We are keeping her at home. The public health metric is 39 cases a day, on average for a month. We're at 139 cases.
It will be interesting to watch this unfold over the next week or so.
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Post by bean29 on Oct 2, 2020 23:58:40 GMT -5
My daughter had knee surgery and maybe a sprained ankle when she took gym in HS. Her gym teacher said she could do certain things to make up her missed classes. She went to my body pump classes at the gym with me. My body pump teacher was a teacher at the HS, she told the gym teacher that 1body pump class should count for 2 make up classes, so DD got off light.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 3, 2020 7:24:21 GMT -5
I have officially lost count of the times the teacher has unmuted us while I’m saying “No [DS] don’t do x!” with varying levels of urgency I suck at this. No you don't Lurky. You're doing a great job of juggling a bunch of high priorities in a crappy situation.
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Post by giramomma on Oct 3, 2020 8:36:07 GMT -5
I have officially lost count of the times the teacher has unmuted us while I’m saying “No [DS] don’t do x!” with varying levels of urgency I suck at this. Eh. Yesterday I was making some ghosts to put outside. Miss M took them started running around in her diaper and saying "boooo boooo" while DS was on his calls for school.
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Post by lurkyloo on Oct 3, 2020 8:41:35 GMT -5
I have officially lost count of the times the teacher has unmuted us while I’m saying “No [DS] don’t do x!” with varying levels of urgency I suck at this. No you don't Lurky. You're doing a great job of juggling a bunch of high priorities in a crappy situation. DS does not listen most of the time to reasonable voices. He will often listen to me if I raise my voice, act annoyed, and/or attach immediate slightly over-severe consequences (e.g. threatening to recycle the book that he continually refuses to put down). I don’t much like this path. But...he is generally happier right now than he was for in person school, or even during the summer. I just wish I was better at keeping my cool. Also that the teacher would consistently use the ask-to-unmute button. Which makes me wonder where the line between privacy and hiding something is.
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 3, 2020 11:50:50 GMT -5
DS5 is in hybrid M/Tu.
Sports got the ok to start up 9/21, but he wasn't proactive in getting paperwork, so missed that week of practices for XC. Practice is 6 days a week (not Sunday), so we need to drive him on non-school days. How does this make sense?
DS5 also mentioned one of his friends on the team is doing fully remote learning. Umm, why would you opt for fully remote and then do a sport with 6 day/week practice in person (mixing all 3 cohorts: M/Tu, Th/F, remote)? And first meet is next week!
When I dropped off DS5 for practice Thursday, I got to see what dismissal looks like. As soon as the walkers (kids that live in the village) got to the sidewalk, off came the masks and they linked up with their friends to walk in close clusters of 4-5. The usual playful rough-housing. Basically what dismissal always looked like before, but it means masks in school are just window dressing. Well, maybe all the new changes to schools with mask use and sanitizing, etc, are useful for the introduction of people coming from outside the village, but the village is a fishbowl, everyone there regularly is daily exposed to everyone else.
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 3, 2020 11:56:11 GMT -5
Oh, and 5 week reports closed Friday. They've only had 4 weeks (with the first week short - Labor day).
I'm seriously confused.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 13:16:21 GMT -5
When I dropped off DS5 for practice Thursday, I got to see what dismissal looks like. As soon as the walkers (kids that live in the village) got to the sidewalk, off came the masks and they linked up with their friends to walk in close clusters of 4-5. The usual playful rough-housing. Basically what dismissal always looked like before, but it means masks in school are just window dressing. They were outside at that point, though, and I think that makes a big difference.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 3, 2020 14:25:35 GMT -5
If you would like the answer, I can explain it. If you're just wanting to vent: Well....now it is a little of both. Help me understand. So, PE is tricky. The standards generally include student interaction and physical demonstration of skills. Many PE teachers will have a "daily grade" to score students on the skills for that week/unit. If a student is excused--as getting full credit for doing nothing--then teacher is forced to give credit with an A; ethically that's a problem for the teacher and consistency in grading procedures. Where's the line for being excused. Is a doctor's note required? Is it a parent validation of illness? What if a student can't afford to go to the doctor and his parents are drunks? Many PE teachers will have a way for a student to "make up" a missed class. Usually it's along the line of a physical activity done outside of the school, and the student has somehow documented it. Have you/your son asked about that option for this specific case?
When a student is excused with no make-up, the other option to just giving the "free credit" is to eliminate the credit that the is responsible for. So in a full year, let's say there are 100 days of PE and each day is worth 5 points. That's 500 points. If a student is excused from half of that resulting in 250 points, then there is far less opportunity for the student earn an A for the class. This plan is not fair to the student but is more fair in "grading" consistency.
If there is no way for your son to make up the PE days he is missing, dropping the class is actually the fairest approach. He just doesn't take that class this term and schedules it for another term when he's feeling better. He doesn't have to make it up; he doesn't get "free" credit; he doesn't get penalized by having a smaller amount of points to work with. I get that the teacher may have had a poopy attitude when he said "drop the class", but for high school credit, this is a sticky situation.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 3, 2020 17:11:59 GMT -5
Well....now it is a little of both. Help me understand. So, PE is tricky. The standards generally include student interaction and physical demonstration of skills. Many PE teachers will have a "daily grade" to score students on the skills for that week/unit. If a student is excused--as getting full credit for doing nothing--then teacher is forced to give credit with an A; ethically that's a problem for the teacher and consistency in grading procedures. Where's the line for being excused. Is a doctor's note required? Is it a parent validation of illness? What if a student can't afford to go to the doctor and his parents are drunks? Many PE teachers will have a way for a student to "make up" a missed class. Usually it's along the line of a physical activity done outside of the school, and the student has somehow documented it. Have you/your son asked about that option for this specific case?
When a student is excused with no make-up, the other option to just giving the "free credit" is to eliminate the credit that the is responsible for. So in a full year, let's say there are 100 days of PE and each day is worth 5 points. That's 500 points. If a student is excused from half of that resulting in 250 points, then there is far less opportunity for the student earn an A for the class. This plan is not fair to the student but is more fair in "grading" consistency.
If there is no way for your son to make up the PE days he is missing, dropping the class is actually the fairest approach. He just doesn't take that class this term and schedules it for another term when he's feeling better. He doesn't have to make it up; he doesn't get "free" credit; he doesn't get penalized by having a smaller amount of points to work with. I get that the teacher may have had a poopy attitude when he said "drop the class", but for high school credit, this is a sticky situation. The semester ends on Friday and the doctor told him not to work out, so we can't drop the class in time to bounce the semester, nor can he do any workouts to catch up. So, my kid will get a C instead of an A, and the possibility of his scholarship to his preferred school is gone. Particularly crushing because my son is an athlete. If it was a C because he absolutely couldn't get through English, it would be one thing, but a C in PE just blows. If it wasn't for Covid, the semester would be longer and he would have time to fix the situation. Plus, it isn't like anyone is doing the work anyway. They do 15 minutes of push-ups and jumping jacks twice a week over zoom, and then they turn in a questionaire the other days saying they did a workout. If I had known it was going to go down like this, I would have just let him turn in bogus workout reports like all his friends do. Also, if the PE teacher had called us back the two times we called him to discuss the situation, we may have been able to suggest something - walking, stretching, reading health articles - something, anything. But the douchebag couldn't be bothered to talk to us. Just give him zeros. His other teachers have been awesome. There is one in every school.
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 3, 2020 17:23:51 GMT -5
Well....now it is a little of both. Help me understand. So, PE is tricky. The standards generally include student interaction and physical demonstration of skills. Many PE teachers will have a "daily grade" to score students on the skills for that week/unit. If a student is excused--as getting full credit for doing nothing--then teacher is forced to give credit with an A; ethically that's a problem for the teacher and consistency in grading procedures. Where's the line for being excused. Is a doctor's note required? Is it a parent validation of illness? What if a student can't afford to go to the doctor and his parents are drunks? Many PE teachers will have a way for a student to "make up" a missed class. Usually it's along the line of a physical activity done outside of the school, and the student has somehow documented it. Have you/your son asked about that option for this specific case?
When a student is excused with no make-up, the other option to just giving the "free credit" is to eliminate the credit that the is responsible for. So in a full year, let's say there are 100 days of PE and each day is worth 5 points. That's 500 points. If a student is excused from half of that resulting in 250 points, then there is far less opportunity for the student earn an A for the class. This plan is not fair to the student but is more fair in "grading" consistency.
If there is no way for your son to make up the PE days he is missing, dropping the class is actually the fairest approach. He just doesn't take that class this term and schedules it for another term when he's feeling better. He doesn't have to make it up; he doesn't get "free" credit; he doesn't get penalized by having a smaller amount of points to work with. I get that the teacher may have had a poopy attitude when he said "drop the class", but for high school credit, this is a sticky situation. How do you drop a non-optional class? PE is mandatory every semester. Do you take 2 periods of PE?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Oct 3, 2020 17:50:40 GMT -5
How do you drop a non-optional class? PE is mandatory every semester. Do you take 2 periods of PE? This is my question also. I had no choice but to take PE. I think it was P/F.
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