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Post by oped on Jul 9, 2020 14:30:59 GMT -5
I see that more as, if we all wear masks and control the illness... then schools can open. If we don't and this thing reaches critical mass here... like it is in many states... it's unlikely. My cousin just texted and asked if I'd homeschool their kids till this is over. Are you doing the homeschool consulting you thought about doing? What are you planning to do in fall? I know you had assisted a local school district in spring - but don't know if that will continue in fall or not? I’m helping out a few people who want help getting started with homeschooling for the year. This past fall I homeschooled for a surgeon’s family before they moved and then just did tutoring the rest of the year. I haven’t been doing anything for a few months. Haven’t really decided for the coming year. Might homeschool for my cousin because at 9th and 11th they aren’t hard but also their district has a good alternative cyber program so they could just do that... I need to talk to the kids and parents. I’m supposed to tutor math for one homeschooler in fall, 8th... I thought about operating a micro school but I’m just not sure about logistics. I did get 2 new messages today about homeschool help so I think I’ll just keep in and see what happens. I don’t plan on monetizing really, but if I can help out a little.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 9, 2020 14:32:19 GMT -5
That's a great insight into his push and makes sense. Which just SUCKS because there's just so many that will just see trump pushing for it and be like neon flashing sign this is a bad idea because he's sucked soooo bad at everything else. So it leads them to ignore or downplay valid thoughts that line up with him because it's trump. I disagree with why he wants it or at the very least most of why he's pushing it, and the way he's pushing it, but I don't think the idea minus him is wrong. My ex was a teacher who had very high expectations of her students. She also had very high expectations she placed on herself to help her students meet her standards. If President Trump was saying "Schools must open and I will work very hard to help them meet CDC conditions so they will be able to do so safely", I would be there with him. But he is saying "Schools must open and I will be demand that standards be lowered to make it happen." Yeah that is where he loses me. Like a broken clock he can be right twice a day but he can't just stop there he has to convolute it so instead of point A (working parents/school) connecting to point B (COVID) he skips over the whole alphabet straight to Point Z leaving you wondering how the F you got here.
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Post by Opti on Jul 9, 2020 14:59:59 GMT -5
I hope those aren't too long and some of the kids crack the bus windows for air circulation. lol, "hope" will have no impact on the miles and I am sure that open windows will be an option at least for a while into the fall and longer in some parts of the country. Miles aren't the issue though. The issue is more of exposure compared to time. How long are they on the bus? Is everyone wearing masks? How close are they? What are the odds someone is infected on the bus but not exhibiting symptoms? I'm feeling a bit orney about you putting my word hope in quotes. I had to be under 6 feet away from unmasked Covid positive patients multiple times to take transport personnel temperatures. The employee break room is too crowded at the time I have lunch coverage to get 6 feet away from employees eating. One of those employees that used to eat at the time I did, is now dead from Covid. But you are probably right about one thing, hope probably was not a word I should have used. Rural areas have significantly fewer cases per capita than suburban and urban areas. Unless they start transporting known Covid+ kids on the bus and having Covid+ classrooms odds are high they don't have significant risk on these bus rides.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 9, 2020 15:48:58 GMT -5
lol, "hope" will have no impact on the miles and I am sure that open windows will be an option at least for a while into the fall and longer in some parts of the country. Miles aren't the issue though. The issue is more of exposure compared to time. How long are they on the bus? Is everyone wearing masks? How close are they? What are the odds someone is infected on the bus but not exhibiting symptoms? I'm feeling a bit orney about you putting my word hope in quotes. I had to be under 6 feet away from unmasked Covid positive patients multiple times to take transport personnel temperatures. The employee break room is too crowded at the time I have lunch coverage to get 6 feet away from employees eating. One of those employees that used to eat at the time I did, is now dead from Covid. But you are probably right about one thing, hope probably was not a word I should have used. Rural areas have significantly fewer cases per capita than suburban and urban areas. Unless they start transporting known Covid+ kids on the bus and having Covid+ classrooms odds are high they don't have significant risk on these bus rides. My original statement you responded to was: Long bus rides for suburban and rural schools should also be a factor considered. By this, i meant consider exactly like you did in your post. I put your word in quotations because I was quoting you. I understand ornery. I totally went off on someone during a phone call this morning. I had called the guy's girlfriend about her planned use of our facility for a retreat. She has used us before and I know she is not a good rule follower. Not normally that big of a deal but not following Covid rules could get us shut down and me fired. I had gotten an email from her about her plans and needed to let her know they wouldn't work. When I called she had me on speaker and this guy jumped right in first thing to inform me how he felt about the mandatory mask issue being a violation of his rights. I dropped a couple f-bombs letting him know how I felt he wasn't correct on the issue. It did set a good tone for the following conversation with the woman planning the retreat. She didn't try to suggest we not follow guidelines.
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Post by Opti on Jul 9, 2020 16:04:18 GMT -5
OK Bills, sorry if I took it wrong.
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Post by dondub on Jul 9, 2020 16:45:42 GMT -5
Yeah bills, you are up there in Trump country.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 9, 2020 16:50:28 GMT -5
I wonder if non-educators realize the stress that educators are under right now. Some of us do. If I were a teacher & could afford it, I wouldn't go back. ALL the teachers should refuse...then what could they do? Hire scabs. Refuse unemployment benefits. Increase class size so there are even more students packed in a single room. If there is a way to make this worse, the Trump administration will find it. #Devossucks
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Post by irishpad on Jul 9, 2020 16:52:51 GMT -5
Ok, my rant is done. Guess you all know i'm a bit frustrated. My rant is back on!!!! So today had the funeral of the 44 year old who was also a youth hockey and soccer coach. Lots of people at the funeral. The kids who he coached tended to sit together. Others did "ok" social distancing but was totally frustrated with the funeral home people who were very nonchalant in keeping people apart. We tried to do all that we could yet some people were "upset" with our enforcement of the state rules. On the other side, had a parishioner email saying they are leaving the parish because we aren't doing enough to enforce social distancing. Can't win
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 9, 2020 17:02:16 GMT -5
My daughter school had a virtual meeting yesterday for parents. We were offered 2 options: - in person school - homeschool / virtual
We are picking virtual and she may go back in person after winter break.
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Post by irishpad on Jul 9, 2020 21:57:40 GMT -5
My daughter school had a virtual meeting yesterday for parents. We were offered 2 options: - in person school - homeschool / virtual We are picking virtual and she may go back in person after winter break. excellent choice. At her age, no need to rush socialization At our school, seeing a definite drop in the pre-school registrations which I think is smart on behalf off the parents. Hurts our bottom line but that's minor in comparison to the heath of the children.
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 10, 2020 10:16:09 GMT -5
One of my biggest concerns is students having a consistence in how they are learning. If we start with a hybrid model what happens when a student or teacher test positive. Who/how many will have to go out for quarantine. Right now I just see any in person learning leading to flipping back and forth between hybrid/and all virtual when schools have to shut down do to quarantine because students/teachers test positive. I can not see that working at all. In my opinion the best thing would to be have a consistent platform for learning, and right now the only one that would be consistent is virtual.
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Post by justme on Jul 10, 2020 10:21:29 GMT -5
One of my biggest concerns is students having a consistence in how they are learning. If we start with a hybrid model what happens when a student or teacher test positive. Who/how many will have to go out for quarantine. Right now I just see any in person learning leading to flipping back and forth between hybrid/and all virtual when schools have to shut down do to quarantine because students/teachers test positive. I can not see that working at all. In my opinion the best thing would to be have a consistent platform for learning, and right now the only one that would be consistent is virtual. Consistent for those that have access to electronics, access to high speed internet, and access to an adult at home that can ensure they're doing their work and help when needed. Last night my volunteer group had a zoom and a guest speaker from someone who works with the kids from low income families. He's working on setting up multiple free little libraries in needed areas because with the schools closed and libraries closed there's kids who haven't read a book in MONTHS. Do you think those kids who haven't been able to read for lack of access to a book are going to have access to digital learning?
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 10, 2020 10:22:37 GMT -5
We got a tentative plan for my son's school. Split schedule, so only on campus 2 days per week, online 3 days. They will take 3 classes in the fall, and 3 in the spring. Class time will be longer to cover the material.
My son's school is all remote on Mondays, my Daughter's all remote on Fridays. If they have opposite assignments for the other days, they can share a car. 😁
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 10, 2020 10:36:02 GMT -5
With the district plan of going full remote both where I work and live, students receive 1 to 1 chrome books, and the district provided wifi hotspots for students who need them. Yes I think that will be better then the flip flopping back and forth. And while I do believe students should read physical books, there are online access to books as well with digital learning. Personally I feel that if we focus on the digital learning as an option, and spend what time we have left figuring out the hows, and problem solve the pit falls, we will do better then splitting this time we have left to plan into 3 or 4 different plans. Do one thing the best we can vs saying lets plans this, but knowing we will have times that we have to shut down for 2 weeks here and there do to quarantine and then do this instead, then we will go back to plan A, opps now we need to do plan B again, will be better. There is no way virtual learning would match the instruction of a normal school year. But do you really think we are going to be able to maintain the hybrid schedule all year? If I thought that I would be supportive of it. But my guess is we will have for a month, and then end up switching to full virtual learning do to schools needing to quarantine because of students/teachers testing positive.
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 10, 2020 10:40:08 GMT -5
Education is going to be loss this year, we just need to figure out the best way to slow the bleed until we get to a point we can work on a recovery.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jul 10, 2020 10:41:31 GMT -5
Some of us do. If I were a teacher & could afford it, I wouldn't go back. ALL the teachers should refuse...then what could they do? Hire scabs. Refuse unemployment benefits. Increase class size so there are even more students packed in a single room. If there is a way to make this worse, the Trump administration will find it. #Devossucks kadee79
And who is "they"? Where is the money coming from to pay people to stay at home and pay people to come into provide the services that are expected? "They" is not the federal government. It is the local school district that is made of real people that know they don't know what the answers are and yet everyone wants to post on the magical internet how this and that or that and this should happen. "They" aren't sleeping. "They" are worried about students, and families, and staff--all staff. You think "they" have answers for no one showing up to work? For housing students in a room with 35sf limitations per person not counting furniture and counter? For literally moving people out of office so there can be more space for kids IF the governor decides schools can open? Even though she threatens a different scenario on a daily basis?
"They" is my husband. This is a real conversation for real people. It's not a trivial conversation. We are not in the medical field, which I am 100% sure is more stressful than education right now. But please don't think that making a statement like "well what will "they" do then" is" is not hurtful.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jul 10, 2020 10:45:18 GMT -5
With the district plan of going full remote both where I work and live, students receive 1 to 1 chrome books, and the district provided wifi hotspots for students who need them. Yes I think that will be better then the flip flopping back and forth. And while I do believe students should read physical books, there are online access to books as well with digital learning. Personally I feel that if we focus on the digital learning as an option, and spend what time we have left figuring out the hows, and problem solve the pit falls, we will do better then splitting this time we have left to plan into 3 or 4 different plans. Do one thing the best we can vs saying lets plans this, but knowing we will have times that we have to shut down for 2 weeks here and there do to quarantine and then do this instead, then we will go back to plan A, opps now we need to do plan B again, will be better. There is no way virtual learning would match the instruction of a normal school year. But do you really think we are going to be able to maintain the hybrid schedule all year? If I thought that I would be supportive of it. But my guess is we will have for a month, and then end up switching to full virtual learning do to schools needing to quarantine because of students/teachers testing positive. The potential for flip-flopping is just driving me nuts. Because I run a non-traditional school anyway, it takes me a long time to write schedules because I have to do it by hand. There are moments I desperately want school fully accessible to those who want to be there--my health be damned. But then there are moments I only want online learning because I don't want this pandemic's effects increasing due to school being opened. There's no good answer. Plus, there's no answer. The authorities' directive changes every day.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jul 10, 2020 10:46:08 GMT -5
We got a tentative plan for my son's school. Split schedule, so only on campus 2 days per week, online 3 days. They will take 3 classes in the fall, and 3 in the spring. Class time will be longer to cover the material. My son's school is all remote on Mondays, my Daughter's all remote on Fridays. If they have opposite assignments for the other days, they can share a car. 😁 When is your school year supposed to start? Ours doesn't start until Labor Day, but we're considering pushing it back.
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Post by justme on Jul 10, 2020 10:48:03 GMT -5
If the districts can give every student a chromebook and a free wifi hotspot to each kid who needed it that would mitigate a lot of it. But how many Title 1 schools are in that district? The proportion of free lunch? Since we've decided that individual school districts are funded mostly by local property taxes, this means schools serving low income students usually have lower amount of money to spend than other more affluent districts. I know there's districts out there that provided every kid a laptop or tablet before all this happened - I know the schools my group worked with did not do this. My group recently made a donation to Boys & Girls club that's fed by the low income schools because before we donated they didn't have enough supplies for each kid to have their own crayons/pencils/etc to stop cross contamination and the sanitation process meant there was a lot more down time. So we bought enough 8 packs of crayons so each kid had their own set and some other supplies (I didn't drop it off so I forget all we got but it was a few boxes full).
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Post by geenamercile on Jul 10, 2020 10:54:00 GMT -5
The county I work in a 40 percent title 1 schools, the county I live I need to dig for the one I live in, it isn't posted easily on the website to find. But I would guess a bit higher then the one I work for.
The county I work for did not have a 1 to 1 ratio before this. They pushed hard near the end of the school year to get this approved for the upcoming year.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 10, 2020 11:59:28 GMT -5
With planning, though, is a computer and internet a need for remote learning, at all grade levels? I dunno.
So our private school planned for at least a good 2-3 weeks before they shut down.
We were told on Friday afternoon at 2pm, that school was effectively closed after pick up at 3pm. The peanut is in second grade. She came home with a packet that had: 1) A paper list of all the spelling lists for the end of the school year 2) A paper packet for a novel study 3) Her cursive writing workbook (paper) 4) The workbook that accompanied her reading book (paper) 5) The workbook they used for small reading groups (paper) 6) The rest of the math units they were going to cover for the year (paper). I kid you not, we recycled a full brown grocery bag of *paper* that was just her school work for the last quarter of her school year. Doing school work on paper did not mean she was doing coloring sorts of projects. About 80% of her learning was new content. That said, yes, we did use SeeSaw to do some school work. But, our involvement with schooling at home was the same, regardless of the medium.
I mean, why aren't we looking to what the rural schools have come up with, for work arounds with bad internet access? Not having internet access is not a new problem for them. Having a lack of human instructional staff is not a new problem for them. Having no money, also is not a new problem for them.
What kills me is that we've been content ignoring all of these issues of internet access, etc for like the past decade. And no body really cared. If people REALLY cared about equal access to education, rural areas would have had broadband in place like 5 years ago. But, now suddenly because it's a pandemic everyone cares and deems it to solve the problem like today.
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Post by justme on Jul 10, 2020 12:04:53 GMT -5
The county I work in a 40 percent title 1 schools, the county I live I need to dig for the one I live in, it isn't posted easily on the website to find. But I would guess a bit higher then the one I work for. The county I work for did not have a 1 to 1 ratio before this. They pushed hard near the end of the school year to get this approved for the upcoming year. Interesting. Maybe this is just another way my state sucks. It's like seared in my brain from months ago before all this and we brought books to Boys & Girls club for the kids to pick and keep and they were so excited. One was astonished he could actually pick what free books he got and a little girl about broke my heart when she was sad that she couldn't pick which one (spoiler alert she got more books than the allowance). We missed our end of year book give away at B&G and the two elementary schools we deal with.
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Post by justme on Jul 10, 2020 12:10:24 GMT -5
With planning, though, is a computer and internet a need for remote learning, at all grade levels? I dunno.
So our private school planned for at least a good 2-3 weeks before they shut down.
We were told on Friday afternoon at 2pm, that school was effectively closed after pick up at 3pm. The peanut is in second grade. She came home with a packet that had: 1) A paper list of all the spelling lists for the end of the school year 2) A paper packet for a novel study 3) Her cursive writing workbook (paper) 4) The workbook that accompanied her reading book (paper) 5) The workbook they used for small reading groups (paper) 6) The rest of the math units they were going to cover for the year (paper). I kid you not, we recycled a full brown grocery bag of *paper* that was just her school work for the last quarter of her school year. Doing school work on paper did not mean she was doing coloring sorts of projects. About 80% of her learning was new content. That said, yes, we did use SeeSaw to do some school work. But, our involvement with schooling at home was the same, regardless of the medium.
I mean, why aren't we looking to what the rural schools have come up with, for work arounds with bad internet access? Not having internet access is not a new problem for them. Having a lack of human instructional staff is not a new problem for them. Having no money, also is not a new problem for them.
What kills me is that we've been content ignoring all of these issues of internet access, etc for like the past decade. And no body really cared. If people REALLY cared about equal access to education, rural areas would have had broadband in place like 5 years ago. But, now suddenly because it's a pandemic everyone cares and deems it to solve the problem like today.
There was a push years ago to get internet classified the same way as phone access was. Essentially decades ago it was decided that everyone needed access to a phone but the phone companies refused to pay to get the lines out to rural areas because it actually cost them money to do that compared to what revenue they'd get. It was a combination of requirements and I think government money that got everyone a landline. But when it came to internet the pushback was it was a luxury, people don't need to be able to stream internet, you can survive without internet, etc etc. And thus here we are - it's still deemed a luxury even though I'm willing to bet a million dollars that the people who deemed it as such haven't gone a week without using the internet in some way for years.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 10, 2020 13:14:20 GMT -5
We got a tentative plan for my son's school. Split schedule, so only on campus 2 days per week, online 3 days. They will take 3 classes in the fall, and 3 in the spring. Class time will be longer to cover the material. My son's school is all remote on Mondays, my Daughter's all remote on Fridays. If they have opposite assignments for the other days, they can share a car. 😁 When is your school year supposed to start? Ours doesn't start until Labor Day, but we're considering pushing it back. He is starting online on Aug 10th. The state has pushed physical opening until the 17th. My daughter's school planned start date was always Aug 18th. I don't know if our Governor has the nuggets to push it back further. He has been a pansy through most of this. But, both schools seem to be committed to their start date - online if necessary. I suspect things to change 26 more times in the next 8 weeks.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 10, 2020 13:25:36 GMT -5
I agree. Being allowed to go to Home Depot, if you chose, is phenomenally different than mandatory spending full time in a school classroom. So very, very different. Let me count the ways.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 10, 2020 17:04:03 GMT -5
Trump the victim: President complains in private about the pandemic hurting himCallers on President Trump in recent weeks have come to expect what several allies and advisers describe as a “woe-is-me” preamble. The president rants about the deadly coronavirus destroying “the greatest economy,” one he claims to have personally built. He laments the unfair “fake news” media, which he vents never gives him any credit. And he bemoans the “sick, twisted” police officers in Minneapolis, whose killing of an unarmed black man in their custody provoked the nationwide racial justice protests that have confounded the president. Gone, say these advisers and confidants, many speaking on the condition of anonymity to detail private conversations, are the usual pleasantries and greetings. Instead, Trump often launches into a monologue placing himself at the center of the nation’s turmoil. The president has cast himself in the starring role of the blameless victim — of a deadly pandemic, of a stalled economy, of deep-seated racial unrest, all of which happened to him rather than the country. Trump put his self-victimization on public display Thursday in response to a Supreme Court ruling rejecting his claim of absolute immunity and permitting a New York prosecutor to see the president’s private and business financial records. Trump reacted with a social media meltdown, writing on Twitter, “PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT!” and “POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” He wrote that the decision was “Not fair to this Presidency” and claimed that “Courts in the past have given ’broad deference’. BUT NOT ME!” Trump has always exhibited a healthy ego and his self-victimization tendencies are not a new phenomenon, according to those who have known him over the years. But those characteristics have been especially pronounced this summer, revealing themselves almost daily in everything from private conversations to public tweets as the pandemic continues to upend daily life across America and threaten the president’s political fortunes. Complete article here: Trump the victim: President complains in private about the pandemic hurting him
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 10, 2020 17:16:22 GMT -5
Trump has always exhibited a healthy ego and his self-victimization tendencies are not a new phenomenon
He most definitely does not have a healthy ego. His ego is extremely fragile, as with most narcissists.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 10, 2020 17:17:38 GMT -5
The Mayo Clinic research group defines narcissistic personality disorder as “a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.” www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/communication-success/201807/5-ways-narcissists-compensate-their-inferiority
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 10, 2020 19:31:16 GMT -5
Trump the victim: President complains in private about the pandemic hurting himCallers on President Trump in recent weeks have come to expect what several allies and advisers describe as a “woe-is-me” preamble. The president rants about the deadly coronavirus destroying “the greatest economy,” one he claims to have personally built. He laments the unfair “fake news” media, which he vents never gives him any credit. And he bemoans the “sick, twisted” police officers in Minneapolis, whose killing of an unarmed black man in their custody provoked the nationwide racial justice protests that have confounded the president. Gone, say these advisers and confidants, many speaking on the condition of anonymity to detail private conversations, are the usual pleasantries and greetings. Instead, Trump often launches into a monologue placing himself at the center of the nation’s turmoil. The president has cast himself in the starring role of the blameless victim — of a deadly pandemic, of a stalled economy, of deep-seated racial unrest, all of which happened to him rather than the country. Trump put his self-victimization on public display Thursday in response to a Supreme Court ruling rejecting his claim of absolute immunity and permitting a New York prosecutor to see the president’s private and business financial records. Trump reacted with a social media meltdown, writing on Twitter, “PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT!” and “POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” He wrote that the decision was “Not fair to this Presidency” and claimed that “Courts in the past have given ’broad deference’. BUT NOT ME!” Trump has always exhibited a healthy ego and his self-victimization tendencies are not a new phenomenon, according to those who have known him over the years. But those characteristics have been especially pronounced this summer, revealing themselves almost daily in everything from private conversations to public tweets as the pandemic continues to upend daily life across America and threaten the president’s political fortunes. Complete article here: Trump the victim: President complains in private about the pandemic hurting him This dude is killing a lot of people, and it won't stop. Even if he is voted out, we will have a Trump hang over and people will keep dying.
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