Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,440
|
Post by Tennesseer on Jun 2, 2020 18:15:22 GMT -5
Trump must have the religious votes. Trump’s religious outreach marked his latest efforts in a series of overtures to mobilize conservative voters of faith, particularly the white evangelical Christians who are among his most loyal supportersWhat a shame the Evangelicals don't realize they are being used by someone who doesn't give a damn about their religious beliefs.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,393
|
Post by thyme4change on Jun 2, 2020 18:46:03 GMT -5
Trump must have the religious votes. Trump’s religious outreach marked his latest efforts in a series of overtures to mobilize conservative voters of faith, particularly the white evangelical Christians who are among his most loyal supportersWhat a shame the Evangelicals don't realize they are being used by someone who doesn't give a damn about their religious beliefs. I've come to the conclusion that there is willfull ignorance. I used to think that we were all being manipulated by one group or another. But I have just gotten to a point where I believe some people purposely search out any reason to avoid what is going on. They found someone who told them Covid wasn't bad, so they didn't have to adjust their life. They find ways to justify treating immigrants like animals, because they want to avert their eyes. They blame people for their problems so they don't have to help. They focus on the looting so they don't have to face their own prejudices. If it isn't happening, they don't have to deal with it. So racism isn't happening. People dying from Covid isnt happening. People getting sexually assaulted isn't happening. The economy working for a precious few isn't happening. Climate change isn't happening. And Trump's incompetence isn't happening and isn't responsible for all that other stuff that isn't happening.
|
|
crazycat
Familiar Member
Joined: May 9, 2013 12:52:01 GMT -5
Posts: 860
|
Post by crazycat on Jun 2, 2020 19:56:25 GMT -5
I know “good Christians” who just love Trump . Even will all this going on . I don’t get it . They are Republicans and think he is a good Christian. I think that is crazy . It just boggles my mind , tbh .
|
|
MN-Investor
Well-Known Member
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:44 GMT -5
Posts: 1,937
|
Post by MN-Investor on Jun 2, 2020 21:01:45 GMT -5
In truth, Trump is using the Evangelicals and, in turn, the Evangelicals are using Trump. Trump only goes to a Christian place of worship in order to confirm to the Evangelicals that he's going to support all of their Evangelical priorities. Trump couldn't care less about gay marriages or abortions. But, if being against them gives him a whole bloc of voters, then, by God!, he's gung ho against gay marriages and abortions. All Trump wants is approval and votes. The Evangelicals willingly give that to him in order to force their views on others.
|
|
Tiny
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 29, 2010 21:22:34 GMT -5
Posts: 13,365
|
Post by Tiny on Jun 2, 2020 21:18:34 GMT -5
I stongly suspect Trump's religious base is perfectly cognizant of what he is. Trump isn't silver tongued (or clever enough) to have "bamboozled" them into believing he is something he is not. (I don't think he's clever enough - because he has only ONE style of speaking/motivating. Someone with actual skill and/or cleverness tailors what they say to their audience. Trump only wields a sledge hammer. He can only do/say things one way. And yeah it's "charismatic" and perhaps "motivating" in a very limited number of settings. He's a one trick pony.
Trump religious base is using him and has been from the very start. I said that back when he champaigning and when he was elected. Trump isn't really in charge and never has been. He's got his puppet masters who are clever enough to be able to keep him doing what they want. Don't you remember those awkward photos of Trump and other political people right after the election - how uncomfortable (or stilted) every one looked. Or how very staged almost all photos of Trump appear. (yeah, I know almost all photos are staged - but Trump's always look odd/off - a heavy handed attempt to convey a message - (that holding the Bible shot for example). )
I would think Trump's ego would be pushing him to have a National Address. Why not use this opportunity to speak the entire US? 23 States have had the National Guard activated. That's nearly 1/2 of the United States. and all we get is silence. Why has he NOT had a national address? Shouldn't that have been a top priority to win more votes?
FWIW: I think a National Address from Trump at this point might cause a civil war... or something close to it.
I'm thinking maybe his backers have throw in the towel for the 2020 election. I'm hearing more and more direct dissent from people in positions of power to what Trump says and does.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 39,694
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Jun 2, 2020 22:42:36 GMT -5
I know “good Christians” who just love Trump . Even will all this going on . I don’t get it . They are Republicans and think he is a good Christian. I think that is crazy . It just boggles my mind , tbh . Actually its starting not to boggle my mind at all. I often read the stories in Not Always Right for comic relief, and after awhile you notice certain phrases mean certain actions and beliefs. Pretty much any time I read the phrase "I am a good Christian woman" I know what follows next is not going to be good nor Christian. Its really code for I am a judgmental bigot and I am going to go batshit crazy about how someone here in the store is not living the way I think you should. So if you believe that following these rigid biases and beliefs transforms you into good and Godly people because you learned these behaviors and beliefs in church, this might be what you assume is a good Christian. And therefore, Trump transforms into a good Christian not because he believes in God or follows the teachings of the New Testament, its simply because he's willing hate the same people and protect those biases. The fun thing (not so much) about the hateful men is they don't feel the need to announce their status, they are men after all. They will just say something like "God hates you" because they are so ignorant of what's in the Bible, they forget God actually doesn't hate anyone.
|
|
tskeeter
Junior Associate
Joined: Mar 20, 2011 19:37:45 GMT -5
Posts: 6,831
|
Post by tskeeter on Jun 2, 2020 22:52:35 GMT -5
I just noticed in the picture Melania is wearing a sleeveless dress. Where is the outrage? What’s outrageous about a sleeveless dress at a religious monument? I have to admit that I was a bit taken back when I observed several men wearing shorts leaving a Catholic mass. These weren’t young boys or teens, it was 50 and 60 year old men. Men of an age where they dressed up for church when they were kids. And the church was air conditioned. I guess that God must not be very concerned about what people wear to church. (The shorts wearing adults weren’t struck down in their pews.). Maybe he leaves that to sinners who render judgement on others.
|
|
tskeeter
Junior Associate
Joined: Mar 20, 2011 19:37:45 GMT -5
Posts: 6,831
|
Post by tskeeter on Jun 2, 2020 22:55:48 GMT -5
I know “good Christians” who just love Trump . Even will all this going on . I don’t get it . They are Republicans and think he is a good Christian. I think that is crazy . It just boggles my mind , tbh . I’m dumbfounded. Why would any federal politician be considered a “good Christian”?
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 2, 2020 23:02:02 GMT -5
I just noticed in the picture Melania is wearing a sleeveless dress. Where is the outrage? What’s outrageous about a sleeveless dress at a religious monument? I have to admit that I was a bit taken back when I observed several men wearing shorts leaving a Catholic mass. These weren’t young boys or teens, it was 50 and 60 year old men. Men of an age where they dressed up for church when they were kids. And the church was air conditioned. I guess that God must not be very concerned about what people wear to church. (The shorts wearing adults weren’t struck down in their pews.). Maybe he leaves that to sinners who render judgement on others. It is more about the sleeveless dress than where it was worn. Michelle Obama got bashed by Republicans for daring to wear a sleeveless dress while she was First Lady. It is more about the hypocrisy.
|
|
tskeeter
Junior Associate
Joined: Mar 20, 2011 19:37:45 GMT -5
Posts: 6,831
|
Post by tskeeter on Jun 2, 2020 23:15:49 GMT -5
What’s outrageous about a sleeveless dress at a religious monument? I have to admit that I was a bit taken back when I observed several men wearing shorts leaving a Catholic mass. These weren’t young boys or teens, it was 50 and 60 year old men. Men of an age where they dressed up for church when they were kids. And the church was air conditioned. I guess that God must not be very concerned about what people wear to church. (The shorts wearing adults weren’t struck down in their pews.). Maybe he leaves that to sinners who render judgement on others. It is more about the sleeveless dress than where it was worn. Michelle Obama got bashed by Republicans for daring to wear a sleeveless dress while she was First Lady. It is more about the hypocrisy. So, two wrongs make a right? Or is it that Democrats want to appear just as ridiculous as Republicans who rendered similar types of criticism of Mrs. Obama? Looks to me like the media stirring the pot to make non-events look like news. Whether the victim of the unjustified attack is Michelle Obama or Melania Trump. Like what the First Lady wears has any impact at all on the wellbeing of US residents.
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,368
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 3, 2020 6:12:21 GMT -5
No, it is about pointing out the hypocrisy of the right. They went batshit crazy about things that Obama did, nary a peep with trump. Sleeveless dresses aren’t scandalous . What is is there going to church at all, given there consistent unchristian behavior. Sort of the lack of concern about calling on the military to intimidate(at least) US citizens. Not a peep, when there was all the concern by conservatives that Obama would call on the military to take away their guns.
Get it
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 10:26:16 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 7:03:54 GMT -5
Why would any federal politician be considered a “good Christian”? There are precious few but I'd include Jimmy Carter, John McCain and Barak Obama.
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,309
|
Post by swamp on Jun 3, 2020 9:23:17 GMT -5
I just noticed in the picture Melania is wearing a sleeveless dress. Where is the outrage? What’s outrageous about a sleeveless dress at a religious monument? I have to admit that I was a bit taken back when I observed several men wearing shorts leaving a Catholic mass. These weren’t young boys or teens, it was 50 and 60 year old men. Men of an age where they dressed up for church when they were kids. And the church was air conditioned. I guess that God must not be very concerned about what people wear to church. (The shorts wearing adults weren’t struck down in their pews.). Maybe he leaves that to sinners who render judgement on others. I don't think it is at all. However, when I was in Italy, I was told that I could not go into most historical catholic churches/shrines/sites with bare shoulders and had to carry a scarf with me to throw over my shoulders. When in Rome.....................
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,440
|
Post by Tennesseer on Jun 3, 2020 9:26:33 GMT -5
Trump has reached the 'mad emperor' stage, and it's terrifying to beholdWriting from a Birmingham jail, Martin Luther King Jr famously told his anxious fellow clergymen that his non-violent protests would force those in power to negotiate for racial justice. “The time is always ripe to do right,” he wrote. On an early summer evening, two generations later, Donald Trump walked out of the White House, where he’d been hiding in a bunker. Military police had just fired teargas and flash grenades at peaceful protesters to clear his path, so that he could wave a Bible in front of a boarded church. For Trump, the time is always ripe to throw kerosene on his own dumpster fire. In the week since George Floyd was killed by Minneapolis police officers, Trump has watched and tweeted helplessly as the nation he pretends to lead has reached its breaking point. After decades of supposedly legal police beatings and murders, the protests have swept America’s cities more quickly than even coronavirus. This is no coincidence of timing. In other crises, in other eras, there have been presidents who understood their most basic duty: to calm the violence and protect the people. In this crisis, however, we have a president who built his entire political career as a gold-painted tower to incite violence. We were told, by Trump’s supporters four years ago, that we should have taken him seriously but not literally. As it happened, it was entirely appropriate to take him literally, as a serious threat to the rule of law. During his 2016 campaign, he encouraged his supporters to assault protesters. “Knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, OK,” he said on the day of the Iowa caucuses. “I promise you I will pay for the legal fees.” Later in Las Vegas, he said the security guards were too gentle with another protester. “I’d like to punch him in the face,” he said. Sure enough, a protester was sucker-punched on his way out of a rally the following month. Complete article here: Trump has reached the 'mad emperor' stage, and it's terrifying to behold
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 10:26:16 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 10:56:50 GMT -5
And, like the abused wife she is, she had to be instructed by her narcissistic controller to smile.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,440
|
Post by Tennesseer on Jun 3, 2020 17:38:21 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 3, 2020 18:43:52 GMT -5
It is more about the sleeveless dress than where it was worn. Michelle Obama got bashed by Republicans for daring to wear a sleeveless dress while she was First Lady. It is more about the hypocrisy. So, two wrongs make a right? Or is it that Democrats want to appear just as ridiculous as Republicans who rendered similar types of criticism of Mrs. Obama? Looks to me like the media stirring the pot to make non-events look like news. Whether the victim of the unjustified attack is Michelle Obama or Melania Trump. Like what the First Lady wears has any impact at all on the wellbeing of US residents. No, it is pointing out hypocrisy, like I said. While some masses are relaxed about dress, since this was a shrine the rules are different. Also, because you saw people go to mass in shorts, it depends on the mass and the church and location. Certain masses are more lax on dress codes than others.
|
|
GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl
Senior Associate
"How you win matters." Ender, Ender's Game
Joined: Jan 2, 2011 13:33:09 GMT -5
Posts: 11,291
|
Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jun 3, 2020 23:28:45 GMT -5
So, two wrongs make a right? Or is it that Democrats want to appear just as ridiculous as Republicans who rendered similar types of criticism of Mrs. Obama? Looks to me like the media stirring the pot to make non-events look like news. Whether the victim of the unjustified attack is Michelle Obama or Melania Trump. Like what the First Lady wears has any impact at all on the wellbeing of US residents. No, it is pointing out hypocrisy, like I said. While some masses are relaxed about dress, since this was a shrine the rules are different. Also, because you saw people go to mass in shorts, it depends on the mass and the church and location. Certain masses are more lax on dress codes than others. Going to Mass on Cape Cod in the summer? T-shirt and shorts and flip flops are fine; just be on time, there will be no Homily and you will be out in half an hour. The philosophy is that God is just happy that you are there. But I will admit I was a little judgy when, a few years ago at my old parish, I sat behind a family with older teens one of whom was wearing a “Coed Naked Lacrosse” t shirt. 😏
|
|