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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 17:31:09 GMT -5
Gyms and salons are still closed, but salons are to open on the 15th. The northern, scantily populated areas are opening more sooner. Retail is opening more, and restaurants are allowed 50% capacity. Michigan's new cases are way down (for now), Texas, Florida and Arizona seem to be taking off lik a rocket lately. I'm in the wait and see mode, for the most part. They opened public playgrounds, and I am letting my kids go there to play. If they are going to be exposed, I'd prefer it to be a tiny viral load from the outdoors. Some other boys joined mine on a playground last night, and eventually got way too close. Sigh-- it just affirmed my belief that social distancing is not going to happen with kids. It's even hard for adults to maintain. Yes, Texas and Houston are indeed taking off like a rocket. And the beat will go on because local restaurants will go to 75% seated dining next Friday; a very prominent local grocery says they won't require masks; and I live in God's country . Even our county-owned community center is reopening to 25% capacity so our HOA will have an in-person meeting later this month. I have to attend and will wear a mask which will be pretty unpopular with the group, and it's going to be interesting to see how many open carry even though it's officially banned at that facility.
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Post by crazycat on Jun 5, 2020 19:23:09 GMT -5
California has just said gyms , schools , bars , pro sports will open back up next week .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 16:09:45 GMT -5
My county opened the senior center... Not sure how wise that was, but I think it was the last thing still closed.
On FB, the state health dept talks about what is allowed to be open here and the plan. It's kinda odd since everything is already open with no restrictions...
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Post by lynnerself on Jun 6, 2020 20:43:40 GMT -5
Our state looked so good 10 days ago. Averages were down to 35 new cases a day. We started opening up around May 15. Our phase one opened up a lot of stuff. Retail, gyms, restaurants, and salons. All with some pretty strict guide lines. Now the last 2 days have been among the highest new cases ever. I knew this was to be expected, but it's still disappointing. Although they say most new cases are in 3 areas. Agriculture (including food processing), the prisons and health care.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 0:32:44 GMT -5
Our state looked so good 10 days ago. Averages were down to 35 new cases a day. We started opening up around May 15. Our phase one opened up a lot of stuff. Retail, gyms, restaurants, and salons. All with some pretty strict guide lines. Now the last 2 days have been among the highest new cases ever. I knew this was to be expected, but it's still disappointing. Although they say most new cases are in 3 areas. Agriculture (including food processing), the prisons and health care. I notice on the Oregon Health FB updates people seem to associate the higher numbers with more testing, although OR is one of the lowest for per capita for testing.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Jun 7, 2020 11:54:55 GMT -5
Im interested to see how the country looks for reopenings. I have to travel from the Seattle area to a few hours south of Vegas. I'm taking my rv and am really interested to see what is open and what is not. And before anyone gives me grief, this is for a medical requirement, not for fun. So it's drive my rv or fly/drive/hotels. I feel safer in my rv.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jun 8, 2020 18:22:13 GMT -5
Im interested to see how the country looks for reopenings. I have to travel from the Seattle area to a few hours south of Vegas. I'm taking my rv and am really interested to see what is open and what is not. And before anyone gives me grief, this is for a medical requirement, not for fun. So it's drive my rv or fly/drive/hotels. I feel safer in my rv. Have you checked to make sure the RV parks on your route are open?
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Post by justme on Jun 8, 2020 18:30:13 GMT -5
50% capacity in bars is still a lot of capacity. Definitely not 6 feet of space for each person.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jun 8, 2020 18:30:37 GMT -5
My state opened up a week or two ago, and boy you can tell looking at the numbers. It seems to be the rural areas that are driving the increase. And you can’t blame this one on testing, since my state has been really good about it all along.
We’re nowhere near getting to the point of overwhelming the hospitals, and the pop-up hospitals are still there. But it won’t surprise me at all if we end up locking down again at some point during the next school year. My boss at work already said that there’s no reason for us to ever show up in the office again. My state is run by Republicans, but they’re not the crazy kind.
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Post by Happy prose on Jun 8, 2020 19:53:28 GMT -5
NJ is slowly opening. I read some stats on how many people one infected person infects. (May have been called RO). NJ is now R=1, and they sound excited about it! I think it sounds crappy. If every sick person infects one other person, when does it end? Granted, in April it was R=5, so getting much better, but I still think it's too early to celebrate!
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 8, 2020 20:23:00 GMT -5
NJ is slowly opening. I read some stats on how many people one infected person infects. (May have been called RO). NJ is now R=1, and they sound excited about it! I think it sounds crappy. If every sick person infects one other person, when does it end? Granted, in April it was R=5, so getting much better, but I still think it's too early to celebrate! It ends when everyone is infected
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Post by steph08 on Jun 8, 2020 20:27:49 GMT -5
I think most PA counties are now in the green phase, which isn't really normal, but most things can open at reduced capacity - restaurants, hair salons, etc. However, at least in my small part of the state, a lot of restaurants have chosen to remain take-out only at this time. I still wear my mask everywhere, and some places require and enforce them. However, I had to run into Walmart for something the other day (I have not been there in months), and I would say only 30% of the customers were wearing masks. So, not going there again! So far, the state's numbers continue to go down, my county remains stable, and none of our hospital ICU beds or ventilators are in use. www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Coronavirus.aspx
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Post by oped on Jun 8, 2020 21:20:32 GMT -5
We aren’t green yet... I don’t think? Right across the street is... I went that way once this week... don’t think I’ll go back for a bit... lots of unmarked and everyone was out it seemed.
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Post by steph08 on Jun 8, 2020 21:37:39 GMT -5
Here is a map of what is green and yellow in PA - www.wtae.com/article/map-of-pennsylvania-counties-and-their-phase-of-reopening/32345753#March and April were dead zones around me - no one was out. However, once May came and the weather got nicer and we moved to yellow, I noticed a lot more people out and about. It seems almost normal now, and I don't really like it. I'm still trying to only go out essential stuff and doing pick-up when I can (groceries, dog food, etc.).
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 8, 2020 21:48:06 GMT -5
NJ is slowly opening. I read some stats on how many people one infected person infects. (May have been called RO). NJ is now R=1, and they sound excited about it! I think it sounds crappy. If every sick person infects one other person, when does it end? Granted, in April it was R=5, so getting much better, but I still think it's too early to celebrate! I remember Cuomo talking about this. We were at R = .85 weeks ago, before they even set a date for reopening or entering phase 1. If we got near R = 1, it was time to slow reopening. If R =1.15, time to shut down again, theoretically. You need R < 1
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Post by Happy prose on Jun 9, 2020 4:07:38 GMT -5
NJ is slowly opening. I read some stats on how many people one infected person infects. (May have been called RO). NJ is now R=1, and they sound excited about it! I think it sounds crappy. If every sick person infects one other person, when does it end? Granted, in April it was R=5, so getting much better, but I still think it's too early to celebrate! It ends when everyone is infected Exactly what I'm afraid of. Lately though, I seem to be in the minority of people who are still scared of the virus!
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 9, 2020 5:51:36 GMT -5
It ends when everyone is infected Exactly what I'm afraid of. Lately though, I seem to be in the minority of people who are still scared of the virus! It’s what we have decided. We no longer have the collective will, patience, or ability to sacrifice to do what needs to be done. We dismiss science and expertise. What we did blunted the severity of the effects in many places, so people think we overreacted. The person who could change the narrative has no interest in talking about the virus anymore, and never really believed the scientists anyway. Our only hope is that we get lucky. We don’t understand it’s behavior, so we only can guess what comes next. Logically, there is no reason to think it is done with us. I hope I am wrong
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Post by finnime on Jun 9, 2020 8:10:44 GMT -5
Exactly what I'm afraid of. Lately though, I seem to be in the minority of people who are still scared of the virus! It’s what we have decided. We no longer have the collective will, patience, or ability to sacrifice to do what needs to be done. We dismiss science and expertise. What we did blunted the severity of the effects in many places, so people think we overreacted. The person who could change the narrative has no interest in talking about the virus anymore, and never really believed the scientists anyway. Our only hope is that we get lucky. We don’t understand it’s behavior, so we only can guess what comes next. Logically, there is no reason to think it is done with us. I hope I am wrong I agree. We have benefited from the shutdowns earlier this year. Now numbers are on the rise in areas that didn't take it seriously enough. With good luck our healthcare systems will be sufficient to handle the next surges. I really hope that the protests don't spur unmanageable outbreaks.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 9, 2020 8:16:01 GMT -5
I think most PA counties are now in the green phase, which isn't really normal, but most things can open at reduced capacity - restaurants, hair salons, etc. However, at least in my small part of the state, a lot of restaurants have chosen to remain take-out only at this time. I still wear my mask everywhere, and some places require and enforce them. However, I had to run into Walmart for something the other day (I have not been there in months), and I would say only 30% of the customers were wearing masks. So, not going there again! So far, the state's numbers continue to go down, my county remains stable, and none of our hospital ICU beds or ventilators are in use. www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Coronavirus.aspx Nope. We are still in yellow. I "think" we are going green this weekend but the county next to me just turned yellow so they are at least two weeks away from going green.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 9, 2020 8:19:04 GMT -5
Exactly what I'm afraid of. Lately though, I seem to be in the minority of people who are still scared of the virus! It’s what we have decided. We no longer have the collective will, patience, or ability to sacrifice to do what needs to be done. We dismiss science and expertise. What we did blunted the severity of the effects in many places, so people think we overreacted. The person who could change the narrative has no interest in talking about the virus anymore, and never really believed the scientists anyway. Our only hope is that we get lucky. We don’t understand it’s behavior, so we only can guess what comes next. Logically, there is no reason to think it is done with us. I hope I am wrong Honestly, it is the political BS that has a lot of us saying BS to all of it. I was absolutely petrified of getting it or having anyone I love get it. I went nowhere and did nothing for 2 1/2 months. Then my governor allows protests, rioting, looting...going so far as to join the protests. I saw the videos, there was not a lot of social distancing once you got into the large protests/riots occurring in places like Philly. So you mean to tell me THAT is ok but my hair stylist is a threat to our state? Yeah, I'm not buying it. I'm not alone in my thoughts. A lot of us see nothing but political stunts going on.
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Post by oped on Jun 9, 2020 8:30:35 GMT -5
Go the fuck to the hairdresser then. We all have priorities. If you want to risk death for a hair cut have at it...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 9, 2020 8:35:45 GMT -5
Go the fuck to the hairdresser then. We all have priorities. If you want to risk death for a hair cut have at it... I did. And she came to my house to do my daughter's hair on Saturday because someone turned her. My point is, if Covid is so deadly and such a risk to our people, the governors would not have allowed what happened to happen. I took it very, very seriously and now realize I was played. Unless protesting and rioting somehow protect you from Covid or from spreading it. I'm no doctor but I'm guessing if it is safe to protest/riot then it is safe to get a haircut.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 9, 2020 8:40:13 GMT -5
It’s what we have decided. We no longer have the collective will, patience, or ability to sacrifice to do what needs to be done. We dismiss science and expertise. What we did blunted the severity of the effects in many places, so people think we overreacted. The person who could change the narrative has no interest in talking about the virus anymore, and never really believed the scientists anyway. Our only hope is that we get lucky. We don’t understand it’s behavior, so we only can guess what comes next. Logically, there is no reason to think it is done with us. I hope I am wrong Honestly, it is the political BS that has a lot of us saying BS to all of it. I was absolutely petrified of getting it or having anyone I love get it. I went nowhere and did nothing for 2 1/2 months. Then my governor allows protests, rioting, looting...going so far as to join the protests. I saw the videos, there was not a lot of social distancing once you got into the large protests/riots occurring in places like Philly. So you mean to tell me THAT is ok but my hair stylist is a threat to our state? Yeah, I'm not buying it. I'm not alone in my thoughts. A lot of us see nothing but political stunts going on. This started before the protests and you know it. How about the protests about wearing masks? Shooting people about wearing masks? The political points about wearing masks? Nothing about them? They were all occurring before the protests. Trump had lost interest in the virus at the end of April. The protests were the last straw. Cases are up in 7 states, and that has nothing to do with the protests. They may accelerate a process that was happening already, so it may come to a head sooner. Please don’t insult my intelligence that this is all the protests failt
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 9, 2020 8:47:38 GMT -5
I saw numbers today that 22 states and Puerto Rico have new 7 day highs in infections. Most of these states are reopened. Some are completely without restrictions like South Carolina.
I'm tired of being home all the time too. But I didn't spend all this time at home missing 3 scheduled vacations and time with my family to get the virus now.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 9, 2020 8:50:27 GMT -5
Honestly, it is the political BS that has a lot of us saying BS to all of it. I was absolutely petrified of getting it or having anyone I love get it. I went nowhere and did nothing for 2 1/2 months. Then my governor allows protests, rioting, looting...going so far as to join the protests. I saw the videos, there was not a lot of social distancing once you got into the large protests/riots occurring in places like Philly. So you mean to tell me THAT is ok but my hair stylist is a threat to our state? Yeah, I'm not buying it. I'm not alone in my thoughts. A lot of us see nothing but political stunts going on. This started before the protests and you know it. How about the protests about wearing masks? Shooting people about wearing masks? The political points about wearing masks? Nothing about them? They were all occurring before the protests. Trump had lost interest in the virus at the end of April. The protests were the last straw. Cases are up in 7 states, and that has nothing to do with the protests. They may accelerate a process that was happening already, so it may come to a head sooner. Please don’t insult my intelligence that this is all the protests failt I was 100% against any protest regarding masks. The difference is that the same people against those protests ("they are going to kill people" was said I don't know how many times on this board) are now in favor of hundreds of thousands of people protesting. And then acting like it is the small business owner that will spread this. I am one of the people that took the stay-at-home order very seriously. I went nowhere. My governor shut everything...except things like busses coming in from NYC and protests/riots. So please don't insult my intelligence and tell me there isn't an agenda with all of this. Like I said, if it was as deadly and dangerous as we were all told, then our government sure as hell wouldn't have allowed the last two weeks to happen.
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Post by oped on Jun 9, 2020 9:04:18 GMT -5
] PMD ... could increasing case rates and lowering death rates be at all attributable to lower viral load during outdoor/warmer exposure? Better treatment earlier? Or is it likely all better identification if cases through better testing?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 9, 2020 9:07:15 GMT -5
This started before the protests and you know it. How about the protests about wearing masks? Shooting people about wearing masks? The political points about wearing masks? Nothing about them? They were all occurring before the protests. Trump had lost interest in the virus at the end of April. The protests were the last straw. Cases are up in 7 states, and that has nothing to do with the protests. They may accelerate a process that was happening already, so it may come to a head sooner. Please don’t insult my intelligence that this is all the protests failt I was 100% against any protest regarding masks. The difference is that the same people against those protests ("they are going to kill people" was said I don't know how many times on this board) are now in favor of hundreds of thousands of people protesting. And then acting like it is the small business owner that will spread this. I am one of the people that took the stay-at-home order very seriously. I went nowhere. My governor shut everything...except things like busses coming in from NYC and protests/riots. So please don't insult my intelligence and tell me there isn't an agenda with all of this. Like I said, if it was as deadly and dangerous as we were all told, then our government sure as hell wouldn't have allowed the last two weeks to happen. This starts at the top. Trump had no problem with the protests when they were something he was in favor of. If he had no problem with them then, why the problem now. We haven’t taken this seriously from the very beginning. Trump has failed to lead on this from the beginning. We never locked down as severely as China or Europe. We would not tolerate it, and complained after only a moderate lockdown. We were trying to “save” our economic economy, even from the very beginning. If there was a clear message from the top at the beginning, we wouldn’t have had 50 different responses, and you wouldn’t have to complain about your governors performance. But that’s what we get from electing an incompetent narcissist as president. Chaos. What we have now, and we will deal with the consequences. Horse is out of the barn. Entirely predictable from the start of the pandemic given our performance early on. We now need to hope for luck, or that the virus behaves differently than what we expect. If you think I approve of any of this, you are crazy. I have been, and will again be, on the front line. I would rather do just about anything else, but I do not see this is likely. I will again voluntarily expose myself repeatedly to do what I have dedicated my life to, along with hundreds of thousands of my colleagues. I just wish we had leadership and a country willing to sacrifice as we have done
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jun 9, 2020 9:18:44 GMT -5
This started before the protests and you know it. How about the protests about wearing masks? Shooting people about wearing masks? The political points about wearing masks? Nothing about them? They were all occurring before the protests. Trump had lost interest in the virus at the end of April. The protests were the last straw. Cases are up in 7 states, and that has nothing to do with the protests. They may accelerate a process that was happening already, so it may come to a head sooner. Please don’t insult my intelligence that this is all the protests failt I was 100% against any protest regarding masks. The difference is that the same people against those protests ("they are going to kill people" was said I don't know how many times on this board) are now in favor of hundreds of thousands of people protesting. And then acting like it is the small business owner that will spread this. I am one of the people that took the stay-at-home order very seriously. I went nowhere. My governor shut everything...except things like busses coming in from NYC and protests/riots. So please don't insult my intelligence and tell me there isn't an agenda with all of this. Like I said, if it was as deadly and dangerous as we were all told, then our government sure as hell wouldn't have allowed the last two weeks to happen. I live in Michigan--you know the state that had protestors with guns inside our Capitol building? That was before the BLM protests. It was allowed then. Why and how could they not allow the BLM protests after allowing freaking people with guns inside our Capitol? It looked like a coup d'etat could happen there at any time. The thing is, people have extra time and things to be upset about, and things start getting really dangerous. It's tricky allowing people to express themselves when it becomes organized into huge crowds. So, yeah, things are opening, then protests happened, and the shit is about to hit the fan as a result. In Arizona, the shit started hitting the fan before the BLM protests started. Just from ignoring social distancing guidelines and opening up in general. So, if you want to stop social distancing at this point, it's on you. Don't blame anyone else. It's out there, and you know it is.
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I was 100% against any protest regarding masks. The difference is that the same people against those protests ("they are going to kill people" was said I don't know how many times on this board) are now in favor of hundreds of thousands of people protesting. And then acting like it is the small business owner that will spread this. I am one of the people that took the stay-at-home order very seriously. I went nowhere. My governor shut everything...except things like busses coming in from NYC and protests/riots. So please don't insult my intelligence and tell me there isn't an agenda with all of this. Like I said, if it was as deadly and dangerous as we were all told, then our government sure as hell wouldn't have allowed the last two weeks to happen. I live in Michigan--you know the state that had protestors with guns inside our Capitol building? That was before the BLM protests. It was allowed then. Why and how could they not allow the BLM protests after allowing freaking people with guns inside our Capitol? It looked like a coup d'etat could happen there at any time. The thing is, people have extra time and things to be upset about, and things start getting really dangerous. It's tricky allowing people to express themselves when it becomes organized into huge crowds. So, yeah, things are opening, then protests happened, and the shit is about to hit the fan as a result. In Arizona, the shit started hitting the fan before the BLM protests started. Just from ignoring social distancing guidelines and opening up in general. So, if you want to stop social distancing at this point, it's on you. Don't blame anyone else. It's out there, and you know it is. First off...I was 100% against the protestors that went to the Capitol Building, too. However, there were 100% of them and from the accounts I read, they were required to have their temp taken before entering the buildings. Police allowed more than a hundred protesters to peacefully enter the Capitol building around 1 p.m.
People had their temperature taken by police as they entered
www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-michigan-idUSKBN22C38WAccording to CNN, only 275 protesters — of an estimated 400-700 total — were allowed into the capitol building at a time. www.mic.com/p/armed-protesters-stormed-michigans-capitol-over-shelter-in-place-orders-22865035
So I was totally against the protests but in the overall scheme of anything, there were hundreds of them. And before they were allowed into the building, they had their temps taken. Hundreds in one city. Not hundreds of thousands across the country. Not hundreds of thousands in hot zones. Those hundreds of people had liberals up in arms...crying about how they are going to cause death to everyone by spreading the virus. Yet those same people are in favor of what has been going on over the last two weeks. I call BS on it. We won't agree and that's cool. But the hypocrisy just kills me. And that is a general statement, not directed at you.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 9, 2020 9:39:06 GMT -5
I was 100% against any protest regarding masks. The difference is that the same people against those protests ("they are going to kill people" was said I don't know how many times on this board) are now in favor of hundreds of thousands of people protesting. And then acting like it is the small business owner that will spread this. I am one of the people that took the stay-at-home order very seriously. I went nowhere. My governor shut everything...except things like busses coming in from NYC and protests/riots. So please don't insult my intelligence and tell me there isn't an agenda with all of this. Like I said, if it was as deadly and dangerous as we were all told, then our government sure as hell wouldn't have allowed the last two weeks to happen. This starts at the top. Trump had no problem with the protests when they were something he was in favor of. If he had no problem with them then, why the problem now. We haven’t taken this seriously from the very beginning. Trump has failed to lead on this from the beginning. We never locked down as severely as China or Europe. We would not tolerate it, and complained after only a moderate lockdown. We were trying to “save” our economic economy, even from the very beginning. If there was a clear message from the top at the beginning, we wouldn’t have had 50 different responses, and you wouldn’t have to complain about your governors performance. But that’s what we get from electing an incompetent narcissist as president. Chaos. What we have now, and we will deal with the consequences. Horse is out of the barn. Entirely predictable from the start of the pandemic given our performance early on. We now need to hope for luck, or that the virus behaves differently than what we expect. If you think I approve of any of this, you are crazy. I have been, and will again be, on the front line. I would rather do just about anything else, but I do not see this is likely. I will again voluntarily expose myself repeatedly to do what I have dedicated my life to, along with hundreds of thousands of my colleagues. I just wish we had leadership and a country willing to sacrifice as we have done I am and have called out the hypocrisy of the current protests. Willing to call out trumps hypocrisy, or does that only go one way?
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