What does reopening look like in YOUR state?

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Jul 21, 2020 19:49:58 GMT -5 lurkyloo said:

On a brighter note:  Too lazy to find the link on my tablet, but the LA times had a piece referencing various studies that suggest a mask could mean the difference between severe illness and mild illness, via decreasing inoculation.  I might be more motivated to find the link if it had actual references rather than just an interview with someone talking about the studies.

Also, quite the turn around from the toddler in chief.  I am torn between “he’s only doing this because his poll numbers suck so much” and “who cares, it means some lives saved.” 

Yup—you guys are suddenly starting to show up on other states’ quarantine lists. Is it the Ocean City crowd causing the numbers to shoot up?

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Jul 21, 2020 21:20:48 GMT -5 oped said:

Also he’s letting the anti trump republicans play the hard ball.

Did you see the Super PAC former Trump White House employees formed last week?

They’re raising money for...Biden!!! 😂😂😂

[oped]

I follow Lincoln Project, Republicans Voters Against Trump and VoteVets and they all put out some amazing ads.

[lurkyloo]

Jul 21, 2020 21:28:19 GMT -5 GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl said:

Jul 21, 2020 19:49:58 GMT -5 lurkyloo said:

On a brighter note:  Too lazy to find the link on my tablet, but the LA times had a piece referencing various studies that suggest a mask could mean the difference between severe illness and mild illness, via decreasing inoculation.  I might be more motivated to find the link if it had actual references rather than just an interview with someone talking about the studies.

Also, quite the turn around from the toddler in chief.  I am torn between “he’s only doing this because his poll numbers suck so much” and “who cares, it means some lives saved.” 

Yup—you guys are suddenly starting to show up on other states’ quarantine lists. Is it the Ocean City crowd causing the numbers to shoot up?

Increase is higher in Baltimore city and county, both total numbers and per capita rates, not sure what is driving it exactly.  I think they’re in phase 3 while our county is still Phase 2.

I was a little amused to see us show up on NY’s list...today we reported 860 new infections, NY only had 855 

I know, I know, population differences...ya gotta take your humor where you can find it these days.

ETA-my bad, looks like the state as a whole is still in phase 2 but I believe our county still has some extra restrictions that may have made a difference...or maybe we already exposed most of our essential workers 

[saveinla]

Jul 21, 2020 21:46:08 GMT -5 lurkyloo said:

Jul 21, 2020 21:28:19 GMT -5 GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl said:

Yup—you guys are suddenly starting to show up on other states’ quarantine lists. Is it the Ocean City crowd causing the numbers to shoot up?

Increase is higher in Baltimore city and county, both total numbers and per capita rates, not sure what is driving it exactly.  I think they’re in phase 3 while our county is still Phase 2.

I was a little amused to see us show up on NY’s list...today we reported 860 new infections, NY only had 855 

I know, I know, population differences...ya gotta take your humor where you can find it these days.

ETA-my bad, looks like the state as a whole is still in phase 2 but I believe our county still has some extra restrictions that may have made a difference...or maybe we already exposed most of our essential workers 

I think this is the article - www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-21/masks-help-avoid-major-illness-coronavirus

[thyme4change]

Jul 21, 2020 21:29:42 GMT -5 GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl said:

Jul 21, 2020 21:20:48 GMT -5 oped said:

Also he’s letting the anti trump republicans play the hard ball.

Did you see the Super PAC former Trump White House employees formed last week?

They’re raising money for...Biden!!! 😂😂😂

Right Side PAC?

I'm trying to keep a list.

Lincoln project is amazing.

[movingforward]

Jul 21, 2020 19:49:58 GMT -5 lurkyloo said:

On a brighter note:  Too lazy to find the link on my tablet, but the LA times had a piece referencing various studies that suggest a mask could mean the difference between severe illness and mild illness, via decreasing inoculation.  I might be more motivated to find the link if it had actual references rather than just an interview with someone talking about the studies.

Also, quite the turn around from the toddler in chief.  I am torn between “he’s only doing this because his poll numbers suck so much” and “who cares, it means some lives saved.” 

My city put a $2,000 fine in place almost 3 weeks ago for not wearing a mask. This morning they said cases are finally starting to go down. I know the CDC said we could see a difference in 4-6 weeks so I am hopeful.

[Deleted]

Houston is better off than other areas of the state along the Rio Grande, but we are pretty much screwed IMHO.  And we are facing a tropical wave or storm this weekend, and possibly another next week.  State leadership MIA.  

[lynnerself]

Oregon governor announced some minor roll backs today. Although she is considering quarantining tourists from "hot spots". I guess for us that mostly means California. I'm not sure she will carry through on this though. I can't imagine stopping vehicles at the border on I5.

[billisonboard]

Jul 22, 2020 19:59:51 GMT -5 lynnerself said:

Oregon governor announced some minor roll backs today. Although she is considering quarantining tourists from "hot spots". I guess for us that mostly means California. I'm not sure she will carry tough on this though. I can't imagine stopping vehicles at the border on I5.

Ones from Washington DC?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

News just announced that Seattle schools are all virtual in the fall.  I went looking where I live to see what is happening locally and I’m guessing they are still trying to decide what to do.  

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Jul 22, 2020 19:59:51 GMT -5 lynnerself said:

Oregon governor announced some minor roll backs today. Although she is considering quarantining tourists from "hot spots". I guess for us that mostly means California. I'm not sure she will carry tough on this though. I can't imagine stopping vehicles at the border on I5.

There's been a lot of cases in the rural, eastern counties from tourists.

They keep saying on our daily public health briefings that Idaho is out of control and that's where many of our tourists come from.

I'd like to see them put on the quarantine list, but they buy a LOT of weed in E OR since it's illegal there, so not sure that will happen. I'd assume from the price there's a lot of taxes involved.

Someone posted the new restrictions on our local page and the responses ranged from how much of a Nazi cow the governor is to where she could go...

[Deleted]

Jul 22, 2020 21:09:31 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

News just announced that Seattle schools are all virtual in the fall.  I went looking where I live to see what is happening locally and I’m guessing they are still trying to decide what to do.  

My area announced classes will be held in-person but with some sort of schedule change. Still think that's a bad idea.

Another issue now showing up is fire season. The area I used to live in has had a pile of fires in the last week and is importing fire fighters from other areas. 

Our local public health dept keeps talking about how fire season brings in people from all over to the fire camps and then they go out and shop in the community and spread their germs. 

Not to mention, how do you have a Red Cross shelter in this mess? 

Ug. Really tired of the 'rona. 

[wvugurl26]

Baltimore city is shutting down indoor dining on Friday. Not sure why they are waiting. I'm comfortable with take out but indoor dining is out of my comfort zone.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 22, 2020 21:47:14 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Baltimore city is shutting down indoor dining on Friday. Not sure why they are waiting. I'm comfortable with take out but indoor dining is out of my comfort zone.

Even though we have indoor dining, many of the local restaurants are still providing take out only.  TD went to pick up Thai this evening, and they have no plans to open their dining room anytime soon.  Same with the local Chinese place.  A couple of the local Italian places now have eat in dining.  The only place we have eaten inside is at the club, and it is quite open with a lot of room.  

[Deleted]

Didn't Thing say Israel going back to school was safe?

"TEL AVIV—Some Israeli public-health officials are blaming the country’s decision to reopen schools in May for helping fuel a large new wave of coronavirus infections that has prompted authorities to shut down sections of the economy once again.

In recent weeks, the number of new cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, has risen to around 1,500 per day nationwide from a low of fewer than 50 a day about two months ago."

www.wsj.com/articles/israelis-fear-schools-reopened-too-soon-as-covid-19-cases-climb-11594760001

[Deleted]

I'm really hoping that some of the allegations that early COVID-19 tests were not dependable are true, especially if they had a high rate of false negatives. I know that sounds weird, but...

I'm still following % positive results for rolling 7-day averages in Johnson County, KS (# testing positive for the 7 day period/ # of tests during that period). I started on 5/8 and the rates went down nicely for about a month and then started moving up. TOTAL % positive started out at 6.7% on May 8, hit a low of 3.7% on June 15 and is up at 6.3% right now. So, the weekly rolling averages are moving upwards. The most recent week is 9.8%. Even if you allow for a timing difference(results coming in during that period may be from tests done a week earlier) it's still scary stuff. I'd feel slightly better if it were due to more reliable testing, but that can't explain all of it.

[Deleted]

Thing is, in many places people still can't even get tests or are waiting weeks for results. 

Until there is a lot more testing in this country, we are going to be seriously under-reporting and spinning our wheels. 

[Deleted]

When there's insufficient tests available it also makes the percentages look worse- if you have to ration tests and they're given only to people with symptoms, LTC residents, people exposed to a household member diagnosed... of course the percentage positive will be high. As testing becomes more readily available you should have a lower % positive.

It was revealing to visit Hermann, MO over the long weekend. The county has only 15 cases and Hermann had only 2 when we were there. Some businesses (although not the B&B where we stayed) were amazingly lax. Few restaurants required staff members to wear masks, one place did nothing to sanitize the table after a large party left (we were eating there at the time- wish we'd known), at least one trolley driver wasn't requiring the passengers he took from winery to winery to wear masks. We stayed out of the bars, social-distanced, wore masks indoors. BF happily read and played on his computer at the B&B while I went on long bike rides.

We will NOT be returning for Oktoberfest.

[Opti]

Because of your posts I looked at the Worldometer data. Kansas's testing rate is very low compared to most of the states. There are only 4 states who have a lower testing rate. 

[Deleted]

Here's a novel idea - how about EVERYONE stop traveling until the case counts are reasonable again?

I don't go anywhere I have to stop in another small town for anything. If I can't get there on one tank, I carry fuel.

It puts me and potentially others at risk if I stop. 

I don't know a single person who wants people here in this area right now who don't live here - yet they are flocking here in record numbers anyway. 

I went to the store today. There were a pile of out of state plates in the parking lot and lines of campers in the McDonald's parking area. How's this good for a pandemic and in a town with no real medical resources. Oh, and the hospital nearest to us in ID is full...

Go the hell home. Help stop the spread. E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e. If you have to go somewhere, go where you don't have to stop, don't need gas, and don't have to stop and eat.

God, it's so damn frustrating. 

[stillmovingforward]

Pointing out that I'm helping someone travel and now live temporarily in a hotspot. They are a dr. But we had to get there and now he has to live somewhere safe.  I think we did roll through your neck of the woods (eastern oregon? Yup!). We have been very careful.

[oped]

Daughter needs a negative test to go back to school... was advised results are 2 weeks out so plan accordingly.

2 weeks out is essentially worthless.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 24, 2020 7:07:15 GMT -5 oped said:

Daughter needs a negative test to go back to school... was advised results are 2 weeks out so plan accordingly.

2 weeks out is essentially worthless.

True, but according to the president there is plenty of testing capability, so the school must be lying. It is unbelievable that testing is still a cluster 5 months into this. There is now a shortage of the tips for the pipettes(instrument used to remove part of a sample, need to use a separate one for each sample to avoid cross-contamination),. Just another obstacle to getting this fixed. And people still refuse to accept this needed someone at the top who actually cared about doing a good job. If someone wrote a novel where our response was so poor, no one would have believed it.

[oped]

Her doctor told her two weeks out.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 24, 2020 8:33:45 GMT -5 oped said:

Her doctor told her two weeks out.

I believe it. We had to change the timing of the preoperative testing because of the slower turnaround time. Yet Trump continues to claim testing isn't a problem. My son's school is making similar requirements for the freshman(few others will be on campus), and I do not know how they are going to get a reasonable turnaround time. And if we travel to 31 other states, you either need to quarantine or be tested. If testing is that delayed, how does that help anyone?

[thyme4change]

Do you know how many people I could infect in 2 weeks?

All of them, if I tried.

[Deleted]

Jul 23, 2020 20:43:27 GMT -5 @shastasnewlife said:

Here's a novel idea - how about EVERYONE stop traveling until the case counts are reasonable again?

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Go the hell home. Help stop the spread. E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e. If you have to go somewhere, go where you don't have to stop, don't need gas, and don't have to stop and eat.

Is there a middle ground here?  I've "confessed" to our road trip last weekend.  It was to an area that is heavily dependent on tourism.  BF and I are over 65 and chose what we did and how we did it carefully.  Together we dropped about $1,000 into the local economy.  Then we went home.  If, God forbid, we get sick now, our local healthcare systems will have to deal with us- not the place we visited.

And now I'm looking at a road trip from Kansas City to SC in August.  Dad is 89, in a LTC facility following a stroke in March, and his mind and body are failing.  Thanks to the "back to the bars and the beaches" crowd, SC is a hot spot and my siblings in the area are able to see him only through a dirty window, and talk to him on the phone, but if I wait till SC is "safe", who knows what shape he'll be in by then.  I plan to drive it with one overnight, bring all my own food for the trip and stay with my sister and her husband, whose thoughts about precautions match mine.  (Sister is a doctor and they're playing it safe.)  I've really thought about this and I don't have many options- make the trip now or probably never see Dad alive or cogent again.  

[plugginaway22]

Yes, there is safely driving to a private vacation rental vs. Going to Disney and walking around all week with mask down so you can eat and drink...

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 24, 2020 8:54:00 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Jul 23, 2020 20:43:27 GMT -5 @shastasnewlife said:

Here's a novel idea - how about EVERYONE stop traveling until the case counts are reasonable again?

<snip>

Go the hell home. Help stop the spread. E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e. If you have to go somewhere, go where you don't have to stop, don't need gas, and don't have to stop and eat.

Is there a middle ground here?  I've "confessed" to our road trip last weekend.  It was to an area that is heavily dependent on tourism.  BF and I are over 65 and chose what we did and how we did it carefully.  Together we dropped about $1,000 into the local economy.  Then we went home.  If, God forbid, we get sick now, our local healthcare systems will have to deal with us- not the place we visited.

And now I'm looking at a road trip from Kansas City to SC in August.  Dad is 89, in a LTC facility following a stroke in March, and his mind and body are failing.  Thanks to the "back to the bars and the beaches" crowd, SC is a hot spot and my siblings in the area are able to see him only through a dirty window, and talk to him on the phone, but if I wait till SC is "safe", who knows what shape he'll be in by then.  I plan to drive it with one overnight, bring all my own food for the trip and stay with my sister and her husband, whose thoughts about precautions match mine.  (Sister is a doctor and they're playing it safe.)  I've really thought about this and I don't have many options- make the trip now or probably never see Dad alive or cogent again.  

If everyone thoughtfully considered the necessity of travelling, and was careful, and took reasonable precautions, including wearing a mask, we could prevent spreading it from one area to the next. But, as we have seen, people will not be reasonable. So we are in the situation we are in. There are no good answers, and there are many awful situations like the one you find yourself in.