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Post by NastyWoman on Jul 14, 2020 15:50:13 GMT -5
NY has set up a dashboard with all sorts of graphs and metrics, by region or by county, lots to explore. Forward NY DashboardWe had a very clear dashboard for forever with all kinds of info on it including available resources (beds, ventilators, etc.). Now I can still see testing, new cases, positivity rates (back down to 2.7%) but he available resources have disappeared. That started disappearing when they started importing patients from other counties and "exporting" medical equipment to other regions. I still can't get over my resentment over that. If you as a county (mostly inland, trumpieland areas) don't want to play by the rules you should not get to use others' resources. And I really, really resent that I feel guilty for feeling this way. I know what happens is the right thing but still...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 15:51:13 GMT -5
If you go sit next to the highway up the road from my house and watch the license plates going by, approximately 50% or more of them right now aren't from this state.
There are no ICU beds here and anyone seriously ill has to be flown out of the area. There are only 2 licensed EMTs in this county of 10K people and neither can leave the area for ground transport.
Yes, a national plan is necessary. Otherwise, people travel freely and do stupid things in less restrictive areas then bring their virus back into the areas that are proactively acting to suppress infections. Cuomo has been talking about this very thing since many NY/NJ folks go to FL.
A stringent plan with some consequences is also needed because some people are apparently just too stupid/stubborn to do the necessary things to help bring this mess under control. And, those stupid people are infecting those trying to do the right thing.
Ultimately, it's all just message board mental masturbation, because all we can really do is take actions to protect ourselves and our families.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 15:59:05 GMT -5
DH and I were just talking...I suppose the best we can do is try to find trusted sources of information and make decisions that we are comfortable with.
That's been my attitude. If I listen to some politician who says the bars can be opened and I get COVID-19 from some superspreader, it's not the politician who's going to end up on a ventilator.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 14, 2020 16:25:20 GMT -5
The Test Iowa website supposedly updates in real time. That means to get comparable numbers, you have to look at it at the same time every day.
Local newspaper reports the numbers from 5 PM.
TV news reports from 10 AM.
That means the numbers are never the same.
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Post by souldoubt on Jul 14, 2020 16:28:27 GMT -5
The best any of us can do is to look out for and take care of our own because we can't control the actions of others. In CA even when things were looking better every store had a mask required sign yet inevitably someone was not wearing one. The people working there don't say anything and to be fair I don't blame them because all it takes is saying something to the wrong person and things escalate. It's all bark and no bite as far as enforcement goes but that speaks to a problem we have in this country where for some people following the rules and laws somehow is a violation of their rights or not applicable when it doesn't suit them. Close public spaces where people have been observing social distancing yet criminals are let out of jail because of outbreaks. Tell people no large gatherings then some politicians cheer on the protesters and and allow it to turn into looting and rioting. I think there's a lack of leadership across the board and it definitely starts at the top but I still expect local leaders to step up while some haven't.
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2020 16:40:10 GMT -5
Wow- I wish we could get that for every state. What's really bothered me in my area is that it's hard to find historical data. I have to get on the site I use daily and make my own graphs. And, as I noted before, it's one thing to tout the 5.6 total rate for all tests to date. The picture changes when you see weekly %positive rates decrease to as low as 1.8%, then start to increase again, currently up to 9.5%. As much data as they have there, there's still stuff missing. I was poking around all the different options, exploring, and realized I couldn't find the historical death count data, daily graphs. I'm always confused when Cuomo proudly says only 7 people died today, the lowest since March x, and then on Worldometers the count is 43! Over and over. Obviously Worldometers is adding data from somewhere else, but ?!? The NY Forward site had death data, but it wasn't daily, it was on the totals, and broke it down by ethnicity, by age, by comorbidity, etc. The comorbidity was interesting: 90% of deaths had at least one comorbidity. I wish I knew where Worldometer is getting its fudge factor as well. It's only pointed to sources are NJ official ones, but even adding confirmed cases to probable still leaves a mystery thousand or more the last time I looked into it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 16:57:09 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the Trump is on TV trashing Biden, his son, and masturbatinghis ego. And, of course, minimal mention of the "plague" and "COVID-19" as he calls them...
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2020 17:25:37 GMT -5
My state has had free testing since April. Everybody I know who is had so much as a sniffle has gotten tested and had the results within 1 to 2 days.. Both the state and county government have websites that show number of tests, the number of positives, number of hospitalizations the number of deaths by day. They also show case rate and hospitalization rate by age group and demographics. Next year, they’re gonna be spending more on education than they did this year, because they can dip into a rather large rainy day fund. And I’m getting all of this while paying a fraction of the local taxes that would be paying on the East Coast. This is what happens when you have competent local government. When I look at the tragedy unfolding in places that had just as much time to prepare as we did, I just shake my head. No wonder they are fixating on with the feds are doing. It never occurred to them to think that the locals can handle this. I am glad you are so proud of your state you refuse to mention what it is. I hope you don't run out of tests if people are going to be silly enough to get tested for non-Covid symptoms. But seriously if your state and county are so great you should declare what they are so we can look at the data. NJ is the state with the highest population density at 1281 people per sq mile. Montana as an example has only 7. It is unlikely that Montana will ever be stressed even close to what NJ was in March/April. Its not surprising they are the second lowest cases for 1 million population and third lowest for deaths for 1 million population. Its what I would expect. Their state government and county governments don't have to be all that good to manage this. Odds are stacked in their favor. Pre-existing conditions stack the deck for states and even countries. Germany for example had a much lower death rate than Italy, Spain, and the UK. Part of the reason was the sheer amount of hospitals and beds they had compared to the population. That allowed them to keep the death toll lower than other countries.
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Post by oped on Jul 14, 2020 17:28:43 GMT -5
He's insane. And what he's doing is illegal. He had to cancel his rally... no one wants to go... so he's giving a rally in the Rose Garden...
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Post by NastyWoman on Jul 14, 2020 20:11:11 GMT -5
Hair salons were allowed to open yesterday with all kinds of safety matters in place. I should have jumped to get my hair cut. Too late - tomorrow they are closed again!
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 15, 2020 9:47:14 GMT -5
Our governor should’ve mandated masks as soon as we opened up, back in June. He finally pulled the trigger In July. But he sure as hell didn’t try to stop any city or county that wanted to mandate masks. I don’t understand why a governor would get so upset if a city or county wanted to be more cautious. That’s so petty.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 10:23:51 GMT -5
Puts the governors in a bad spot. What do they do if they know cases are surging and hospitals are filling up, if trump reports declining number of cases in their states. Shut up and allow more people die, or speak up and risk his wrath.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 10:30:46 GMT -5
Puts the governors in a bad spot. What do they do if they know cases are surging and hospitals are filling up, if trump reports declining number of cases in their states. Shut up and allow more people die, or speak up and risk his wrath. Yes, and then when the "news" reports how bad things really are, Trump will just call it fake news... This fall is going to be devastating in many parts of the country.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 10:31:33 GMT -5
Planet is overpopoulated anyway. Trump is just doing his part to help solve the problem
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 10:38:27 GMT -5
Planet is overpopoulated anyway. Trump is just doing his part to help solve the problem It would be really nice if only those that felt it was their constitutional right to die from covid were the ones that did!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 10:42:48 GMT -5
At least WalMart has now mandated masks at all stores. There will sadly be more than one incident of violence over that in some of the red state areas where Bubba and his gun will defend his right to be a dumbass I haven't been to WalMart since March and ain't going now.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 15, 2020 10:51:20 GMT -5
Planet is overpopoulated anyway. Trump is just doing his part to help solve the problem He is saving social security!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 11:10:34 GMT -5
A friend just sent me another 17 minute YouTube video of a purported MD saying that this is "a nursing home disease" that only afflicts those with co-morbidities and doesn't impact children at all. All those years and $$ at Stanford for an advanced degree in microbiology and she is peddling this stuff like Ivanka selling Goya beans. She won't touch sushi because of worms, but she won't wear a mask because this is a hoax
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 11:25:33 GMT -5
A friend just sent me another 17 minute YouTube video of a purported MD saying that this is "a nursing home disease" that only afflicts those with co-morbidities and doesn't impact children at all. All those years and $$ at Stanford for an advanced degree in microbiology and she is peddling this stuff like Ivanka selling Goya beans. She won't touch sushi because of worms, but she won't wear a mask because this is a hoax I guess I just imagined the 27 yo I cared for who was on a ventilator. Guess I need to get one of those cognitive tests Trump was bragging about
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 11:26:18 GMT -5
A friend just sent me another 17 minute YouTube video of a purported MD saying that this is "a nursing home disease" that only afflicts those with co-morbidities and doesn't impact children at all. All those years and $$ at Stanford for an advanced degree in microbiology and she is peddling this stuff like Ivanka selling Goya beans. She won't touch sushi because of worms, but she won't wear a mask because this is a hoax You should ask her if she has heard of PIMS
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Post by lurkyloo on Jul 15, 2020 11:39:40 GMT -5
I have never said this before and may never again, but WTG Walmart Our state is trending up again, and it was never down to what I’d consider baseline. I guess we’ll see if it’s a temporary uptick from July 4 or the start of a new wave...my money’s on the latter. Trying to extrapolate trends as the data trickles in is so maddening. I just can’t help myself. Our county has lost ground on several of their key benchmarks. I’m skeptical about the plans for in person school since the health officer commented yesterday we needed more progress to move forward with in person school plans.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 15, 2020 11:53:14 GMT -5
Walmart and Sam's Club are requiring masks nationwide 7/20. I guess some people will be shopping elsewhere. lurkyloo they are going up. I was encouraged by the string of days at 300ish cases and now it's doubled. Of course this is the week my DH had to start returning to the office one day a week. And he works in one of the counties that had the most cases.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jul 15, 2020 12:01:24 GMT -5
Planet is overpopoulated anyway. Trump is just doing his part to help solve the problem I hesitate to post this because I fear it will be taken out of context or ascribed to me which is so far from MY truth, but in TRUMP’S line of thinking, Trump’s, NOT mine, the world is overpopulated with the “wrong” people. I t doesn’t take a long stretch to see this pandemic as a convenient “cleansing” for a certain political viewpoint. 😳😳😳😳😳😱😱😱😱😱🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jul 15, 2020 12:07:10 GMT -5
Walmart and Sam's Club are requiring masks nationwide 7/20. I guess some people will be shopping elsewhere. lurkyloo they are going up. I was encouraged by the string of days at 300ish cases and now it's doubled. Of course this is the week my DH had to start returning to the office one day a week. And he works in one of the counties that had the most cases. I sat in on a parents’ Zoom meeting yesterday hosted by the administration for ODS’ college in your state. I applaud their optimism, but there is no way they won’t be shutting campus down shortly after students arrive. I specifically asked what would happen if the community the college is located in saw a resurgence. The answer was that they would follow the state and local government’s instructions. Why not just say “we’ll be sending your kids home”?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 15, 2020 12:20:46 GMT -5
Walmart and Sam's Club are requiring masks nationwide 7/20. I guess some people will be shopping elsewhere. lurkyloo they are going up. I was encouraged by the string of days at 300ish cases and now it's doubled. Of course this is the week my DH had to start returning to the office one day a week. And he works in one of the counties that had the most cases. I sat in on a parents’ Zoom meeting yesterday hosted by the administration for ODS’ college in your state. I applaud their optimism, but there is no way they won’t be shutting campus down shortly after students arrive. I specifically asked what would happen if the community the college is located in saw a resurgence. The answer was that they would follow the state and local government’s instructions. Why not just say “we’ll be sending your kids home”? That would be assuming responsibility.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 15, 2020 12:34:08 GMT -5
Planet is overpopoulated anyway. Trump is just doing his part to help solve the problem He is saving social security! LOL! Is he really saving SS? About 50% of those with more severe symptoms may wind up with permanent heart and lung problems. Is SS for 20 years cheaper than disability (including Medicare) for 35 years?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 15, 2020 12:52:11 GMT -5
As much data as they have there, there's still stuff missing. I was poking around all the different options, exploring, and realized I couldn't find the historical death count data, daily graphs. I'm always confused when Cuomo proudly says only 7 people died today, the lowest since March x, and then on Worldometers the count is 43! Over and over. Obviously Worldometers is adding data from somewhere else, but ?!? The NY Forward site had death data, but it wasn't daily, it was on the totals, and broke it down by ethnicity, by age, by comorbidity, etc. The comorbidity was interesting: 90% of deaths had at least one comorbidity. I wish I knew where Worldometer is getting its fudge factor as well. It's only pointed to sources are NJ official ones, but even adding confirmed cases to probable still leaves a mystery thousand or more the last time I looked into it. as world meters is tally everything - new days begin at 0:00 Greenwich mean time, so likely states and other localities in the US are not dividing their days that way. now only on world page.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 12:58:22 GMT -5
He is saving social security! LOL! Is he really saving SS? About 50% of those with more severe symptoms may wind up with permanent heart and lung problems. Is SS for 20 years cheaper than disability (including Medicare) for 35 years? Math is hard
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 13:03:41 GMT -5
A friend just sent me another 17 minute YouTube video of a purported MD saying that this is "a nursing home disease" that only afflicts those with co-morbidities and doesn't impact children at all. All those years and $$ at Stanford for an advanced degree in microbiology and she is peddling this stuff like Ivanka selling Goya beans. She won't touch sushi because of worms, but she won't wear a mask because this is a hoax You should ask her if she has heard of PIMS Well, I had to look up the acronym myself. The first hit was Pittsburgh Institute of Mortuary Science Then I saw the right one. Yes, that has already attacked and even killed children in the US.
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