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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 12:09:20 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife , you sound really stressed about this. You do know that the closures were about "flattening the curve," or making sure that the number of cases didn't overwhelm the medical system? It was never intended to last until we had a vaccine or even herd immunity. The extremely vulnerable--and that includes me in terms of bp, weight, previous smoker, and age--are going to have to assume most of the responsibility for staying away from potentially dangerous scenarios. I can't expect the world to stop because of me. If we continue to print money like we are now, the few dollars some of us have saved for retirement will be worthless. I have lived through real inflation. Our children and grandchildren's future will be mortgaged to payback the national debt. And the virus will still take out a lot of us before we find a solution. As Gardening Grandma said, it's not an either/or situation. We can live our lives with appropriate caution, but we have to go back to living them. You have money in the bank and a job that allows you to work in isolation. I know you worry about your son, but with his health issues and continued seizures, maybe it would be best to explore disability again. What I should have said is not that people are fundamentally lazy, but rather too much leisure makes us lazy. Or at least that's its effect on me. I know he prefers to work, but now may just not be the time. And like I said to a different poster, there comes a time when I need to quit arguing about the issue. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Good luck! No, she does not. Many other don't understand that either. Or they understand it, but prefer a different goal that nobody of influence has laid out as their systematic goal. The applicable metric is healthcare capacity. The goal is not to keep people from getting infected, or to keep people from dying, it is to keep people from dying due to overwhelming the healthcare system specifically. People want to make it complex...it's really not. You can essentially chart healthcare capacity predictively since may need a 2 week lead time...as capacity is low you open things up, as capacity shrinks you shrink up the openings. That's also why it makes no sense to have national closings/openings...healthcare capacity is not nationwide. There's no reason for folks in Idaho to have the same restrictions as folks in New York if Idaho has plenty of capacity and New York has zero. To your point, closures are not about keeping individuals safe. They are about keeping total healthcare needs within a range where folks who need treatment can be treated. That goal is far more relaxed than a goal of "keep as many people as possible from getting infected". Once again, you just HAVE to be an asshole and give your personal opinion of me just to be degrading. Do you hate women or something? It's annoying as fuck, honestly. Which, I guess is your desired reaction. I'm not ignorant. I understand the point of the lock downs and flattening the curve. How's it flattened in 3 weeks when the outbreaks start because everyone has gone back to behaving like COVID magically disappeared?
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Post by hoops902 on May 14, 2020 12:51:45 GMT -5
No, she does not. Many other don't understand that either. Or they understand it, but prefer a different goal that nobody of influence has laid out as their systematic goal. The applicable metric is healthcare capacity. The goal is not to keep people from getting infected, or to keep people from dying, it is to keep people from dying due to overwhelming the healthcare system specifically. People want to make it complex...it's really not. You can essentially chart healthcare capacity predictively since may need a 2 week lead time...as capacity is low you open things up, as capacity shrinks you shrink up the openings. That's also why it makes no sense to have national closings/openings...healthcare capacity is not nationwide. There's no reason for folks in Idaho to have the same restrictions as folks in New York if Idaho has plenty of capacity and New York has zero. To your point, closures are not about keeping individuals safe. They are about keeping total healthcare needs within a range where folks who need treatment can be treated. That goal is far more relaxed than a goal of "keep as many people as possible from getting infected". Once again, you just HAVE to be an asshole and give your personal opinion of me just to be degrading. Do you hate women or something? It's annoying as fuck, honestly. Which, I guess is your desired reaction. I'm not ignorant. I understand the point of the lock downs and flattening the curve. How's it flattened in 3 weeks when the outbreaks start because everyone has gone back to behaving like COVID magically disappeared? If you find it degrading that there's something in the world you don't understand, I don't know what to tell you, you're going to feel degraded a lot because everyone is going to have lots of things they won't understand. I guess the difference is that I see something I don't understand as an opportunity to learn about something new, while you see it as a new excuse to be offended. Actually my "desired reaction" would be that you educate yourself and return with an informed opinion. I'd also point out that I left another alternative to you simply not understanding, in that you prefer a different goal. It's harder to pretend to be offended by that statement though.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 14, 2020 14:50:02 GMT -5
Reading about contact tracing in Nebraska and one health official encourages people to use a calendar to track your movements. That way if you start showing symptoms you have an idea of where you've been without having to rely solely on memory.
That's not a bad idea.
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Post by movingforward on May 14, 2020 16:14:33 GMT -5
I went into the office today and so did 2 of my staff. We ordered take out and all had lunch together in the conference room, but sat 6 feet apart. It was so much fun to see some of those I haven't seen in 2 months. I REALLY needed that bit of normal right now. You can easily still have conversations at 6 feet apart.
I can forgo the large gatherings, have groceries delivered, halt traveling for a bit, etc. if I could just get back to some sort of normalcy in my daily life. A little thing like being back in the office and having lunch with people meant so much to me. It's the little things I miss right now.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 14, 2020 16:36:16 GMT -5
Lol, so I love rolling out of bed, working in my PJs, and skipping the 34-mile-each-way commute. I'm a confirmed introvert, and I don't love any of my coworkers. Soooo, when I went to pick up a few things from the office last week, I was like, "people! I miss you people!". (Barely knowing the ones there.) Lol!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 17:24:28 GMT -5
Once again, you just HAVE to be an asshole and give your personal opinion of me just to be degrading. Do you hate women or something? It's annoying as fuck, honestly. Which, I guess is your desired reaction. I'm not ignorant. I understand the point of the lock downs and flattening the curve. How's it flattened in 3 weeks when the outbreaks start because everyone has gone back to behaving like COVID magically disappeared? If you find it degrading that there's something in the world you don't understand, I don't know what to tell you, you're going to feel degraded a lot because everyone is going to have lots of things they won't understand. I guess the difference is that I see something I don't understand as an opportunity to learn about something new, while you see it as a new excuse to be offended. Actually my "desired reaction" would be that you educate yourself and return with an informed opinion. I'd also point out that I left another alternative to you simply not understanding, in that you prefer a different goal. It's harder to pretend to be offended by that statement though. Once again, fuck off and go troll someone who's interested in your gaslighting bullshit.
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Post by thyme4change on May 14, 2020 18:23:35 GMT -5
No, she does not. Many other don't understand that either. Or they understand it, but prefer a different goal that nobody of influence has laid out as their systematic goal. The applicable metric is healthcare capacity. The goal is not to keep people from getting infected, or to keep people from dying, it is to keep people from dying due to overwhelming the healthcare system specifically. People want to make it complex...it's really not. You can essentially chart healthcare capacity predictively since may need a 2 week lead time...as capacity is low you open things up, as capacity shrinks you shrink up the openings. That's also why it makes no sense to have national closings/openings...healthcare capacity is not nationwide. There's no reason for folks in Idaho to have the same restrictions as folks in New York if Idaho has plenty of capacity and New York has zero. To your point, closures are not about keeping individuals safe. They are about keeping total healthcare needs within a range where folks who need treatment can be treated. That goal is far more relaxed than a goal of "keep as many people as possible from getting infected". Once again, you just HAVE to be an asshole and give your personal opinion of me just to be degrading. Do you hate women or something? It's annoying as fuck, honestly. Which, I guess is your desired reaction. I'm not ignorant. I understand the point of the lock downs and flattening the curve. How's it flattened in 3 weeks when the outbreaks start because everyone has gone back to behaving like COVID magically disappeared? Hoops is making a lot of sense here. We closed down so the hospitals would not get overwhelmed. If you are in an area (like mine) that has a bunch of empty hospital rooms and nurses being laid off because there are no patients, then the hospitals aren't overwhelmed. Does that mean we fly all the doors wide open and send people out licking each other? Absolutely not! The idea that we can stay locked down until we get a treatment, a cure, a vaccine or herd immunity is unrealistic. We might as well loosen restrictions, just a little.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 18:24:47 GMT -5
I've never said we shouldn't open some things up and loosen restrictions. Ever.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 18:47:53 GMT -5
I went into the office today and so did 2 of my staff. We ordered take out and all had lunch together in the conference room, but sat 6 feet apart. It was so much fun to see some of those I haven't seen in 2 months. I REALLY needed that bit of normal right now. You can easily still have conversations at 6 feet apart.
I can forgo the large gatherings, have groceries delivered, halt traveling for a bit, etc. if I could just get back to some sort of normalcy in my daily life. A little thing like being back in the office and having lunch with people meant so much to me. It's the little things I miss right now.
While totally whining about my boring Skype and Zoom meetings, I also adored seeing those faces even if just virtually. We sang Happy Birthday and said Congratulations on Becoming a Grandmother to two attendees. It meant a lot. Today I stood 6 feet away from my nextdoor neighbor with whom I am SERIOUSLY IRRITATED and it was a good conversation. Last night I talked (vs texting) with a friend who usually hates talking, and it was amazing and healing for me, and hopefully for her too. I'm a hugger and I miss that.
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Post by thyme4change on May 14, 2020 19:50:40 GMT -5
I went into the office today and so did 2 of my staff. We ordered take out and all had lunch together in the conference room, but sat 6 feet apart. It was so much fun to see some of those I haven't seen in 2 months. I REALLY needed that bit of normal right now. You can easily still have conversations at 6 feet apart.
I can forgo the large gatherings, have groceries delivered, halt traveling for a bit, etc. if I could just get back to some sort of normalcy in my daily life. A little thing like being back in the office and having lunch with people meant so much to me. It's the little things I miss right now.
While totally whining about my boring Skype and Zoom meetings, I also adored seeing those faces even if just virtually. We sang Happy Birthday and said Congratulations on Becoming a Grandmother to two attendees. It meant a lot. Today I stood 6 feet away from my nextdoor neighbor with whom I am SERIOUSLY IRRITATED and it was a good conversation. Last night I talked (vs texting) with a friend who usually hates talking, and it was amazing and healing for me, and hopefully for her too. I'm a hugger and I miss that.
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Post by giramomma on May 14, 2020 23:40:52 GMT -5
Does that mean we fly all the doors wide open and send people out licking each other? Absolutely not! The idea that we can stay locked down until we get a treatment, a cure, a vaccine or herd immunity is unrealistic. We might as well loosen restrictions, just a little. We had looser restrictions. We had open state parks. Elective medical procedures started up a few weeks ago. Restaurants could still fulfil orders for pick up. We had safe visits with grandma. Retail was just starting to open, and curbside pick up from the libraries was just about to start.
That wasn't enough for folks...and we went from sensible to completely open last night. There's no plan. The Feds kicked decisions down to the state. The state has no plans and is kicking it down to the local level. The local level is prioritizing people's god given right to drink in a bar over sensible health precautions. There's no help anywhere. It's now on me to figure out how to keep m family safe. How do you keep your family safe while not having any real usable guidelines to go by? (Have you checked out the CDC guidelines that came out today. The only way they would be useful is if one printed the guidelines out on paper and then used the paper to wipe their ass.) We don't have adequate testing or contract tracing. And the hospitals are back to asking for PPE donations.
I'm also not a thoughts and prayers sort of girl...so that means god won't keep me and my family safe either. Unfortunately, my husband and I are really looking at the possibility of keeping our family on mostly lock down.
Why? Because people will absolutely go out and lick each other. Give them an inch, they want to run miles. I don't want to be a part of that at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 6:15:50 GMT -5
There's no plan. The Feds kicked decisions down to the state. The state has no plans and is kicking it down to the local level. The local level is prioritizing people's god given right to drink in a bar over sensible health precautions. While you'll get no argument from me about the vacuum at the top, I do believe this IS a local decision. Numbers are all over the place and you have to look at the whole picture. I'm in the KC Metro but Cass County, where my church is situated, hasn't had a new case reported since May 9 (they're at 69). Johnson County, KS, which is where many of our parishioners are located, has increasing counts but they're doing about 400 tests a day. Kansas City has just announced free COVID-19 testing for anyone displaying symptoms. That's good but the count will undoubtedly go up faster now even though it doesn't indicate an increased risk. How can the Federal government make recommendations for a city? I'm a practicing Christian but I still wear my mask in public buildings, wash my hands a lot and limit my shopping trips. God gave me a brain, too.
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Post by giramomma on May 15, 2020 6:54:51 GMT -5
See, I don't think it's a local decision...unless...every county then is responsible for their own. There's no asking other counties for resources to help.
I also think then that counties/cities/towns/places so small that they are unincorporated or only have a gas station should have the right to completely wall off their borders to non-local residents.
You may choose to use your brain. Honestly, people that choose a reasonable course of behaviors, or doing the right thing, is absolutely in the minority.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 15, 2020 7:12:23 GMT -5
A lot of my state is opening back up today. Not bars and casinos.
I am going to continue behaving the way I have since this started. It's up to me to protect myself. I will continue with online grocery shopping and pickup (because nobody delivers here).
Any service person who enters my home must wear a mask and keep 6 feet away from me.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 7:37:04 GMT -5
You may choose to use your brain. Honestly, people that choose a reasonable course of behaviors, or doing the right thing, is absolutely in the minority.
I don't know- one clickbait article I read (FWIW) claimed that only 18% of people are going to go back to "business as usual" once things open up. When asked about concerts, sporting events, movie theatres, bars, etc., in just about every case half the respondents said they weren't going to rush back in. Even part of the 50% willing to go back may require reassurance that the place is sanitized, there's social distancing, etc. That wasn't measured. I think there's a significant portion of the population remaining cautious- I know I am. Let's hope the nuts don't ruin it for the rest of us.
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Post by Blonde Granny on May 15, 2020 7:52:35 GMT -5
Reading about contact tracing in Nebraska and one health official encourages people to use a calendar to track your movements. That way if you start showing symptoms you have an idea of where you've been without having to rely solely on memory. That's not a bad idea. OK, on Tuesday I was at Joann Fabrics. There must have been at least 30 people in there but could have been more as I was wandering through the store and I didn't know any of them. How on earth can ANYONE know who they came in contact with? This sounds something like a fairy tale of ridiculous day dreams. On edit: last yesterday afternoon Walmart sent me a text saying my Rx was ready. Off I went. As I walked through the store to the pharmacy, people were going up and down the aisles, some were at the Scan and Go lanes, some had masks, some didn't. Oh wait, I'll get my calendar and tell you everyone I came in contact with yesterday at Walmart.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 7:53:39 GMT -5
You may choose to use your brain. Honestly, people that choose a reasonable course of behaviors, or doing the right thing, is absolutely in the minority.
I don't know- one clickbait article I read (FWIW) claimed that only 18% of people are going to go back to "business as usual" once things open up. When asked about concerts, sporting events, movie theatres, bars, etc., in just about every case half the respondents said they weren't going to rush back in. Even part of the 50% willing to go back may require reassurance that the place is sanitized, there's social distancing, etc. That wasn't measured. I think there's a significant portion of the population remaining cautious- I know I am. Let's hope the nuts don't ruin it for the rest of us. Plus, I happen to know for a fact that at least one group of people that rushed to the WI bars when they opened Wednesday night were not social distancing in the least prior to Wednesday either. They were still getting together for house/garage parties/poker nights, etc. I'm sure a lot more will now, but I think it's crazy to assume that they were all being cautious and then, "BARS ARE OPEN, IT'S ALL GOOD!"
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 15, 2020 8:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 15, 2020 8:20:27 GMT -5
See, I don't think it's a local decision...unless...every county then is responsible for their own. There's no asking other counties for resources to help.
I also think then that counties/cities/towns/places so small that they are unincorporated or only have a gas station should have the right to completely wall off their borders to non-local residents.
You may choose to use your brain. Honestly, people that choose a reasonable course of behaviors, or doing the right thing, is absolutely in the minority. I am 2 miles from MKE county which has kept the stay at home order. My republican county is not enforcing stay at home and bars, etc are reopening. Those people in MKE county can easily drive to my county to go to bars, etc. This is why it needed to be state wide. And we were so close to meeting the requirements for phased reopening. Fuckers couldn't wait 2 more weeks
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 15, 2020 8:28:48 GMT -5
Beth waves at jelloshots! "hello neighbor" and keeps her distance. And some of them will/have already done that and gone to the bars in your county.
Our ninja warrior type gym is hoping to reopen after Memorial Day. We've been trying to support them - they've made a temporary deal with one of their drink providers to get a portion of sales based off their website so DH ordered some of their drinks and asked if they had a deal with the energy bar place too. Our kids love them and DH could eat them too. Sadly, the answer was no. We need to check their county and see what that county has decided to do. But we're very curious as to how they will reopen. We're assuming limiting people into the place and emphasizing wiping down your equipment.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 8:45:27 GMT -5
OK, on Tuesday I was at Joann Fabrics. There must have been at least 30 people in there but could have been more as I was wandering through the store and I didn't know any of them. How on earth can ANYONE know who they came in contact with? This sounds something like a fairy tale of ridiculous daydreams. I can see some use for this. If someone diagnosed with COVID-19 was in Wal-Mart at a particular date/time and can specify that, AND they provide the info someplace you could check it (that's a big "if"- a web site somewhere?) you could be informed. It's hard to think how that would work, though- could you input your own outings and then get a reply as to where or not anyone there at the same time has been diagnosed? And you'd really need to keep checking for 2 weeks. Probably something only the paranoid among us would do.
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Post by oped on May 15, 2020 8:55:37 GMT -5
Because they announce that there was someone at that store at that time with it and if you were you need to isolate and test.
South Korea has been doing a terrific job with this.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 9:01:23 GMT -5
You could just install a phone tracker app and it would keep track of everywhere you were and the time.
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Post by andi9899 on May 15, 2020 9:07:41 GMT -5
Reading about contact tracing in Nebraska and one health official encourages people to use a calendar to track your movements. That way if you start showing symptoms you have an idea of where you've been without having to rely solely on memory. That's not a bad idea. OK, on Tuesday I was at Joann Fabrics. There must have been at least 30 people in there but could have been more as I was wandering through the store and I didn't know any of them. How on earth can ANYONE know who they came in contact with? This sounds something like a fairy tale of ridiculous day dreams. On edit: last yesterday afternoon Walmart sent me a text saying my Rx was ready. Off I went. As I walked through the store to the pharmacy, people were going up and down the aisles, some were at the Scan and Go lanes, some had masks, some didn't. Oh wait, I'll get my calendar and tell you everyone I came in contact with yesterday at Walmart. I think it's more to find out where you may have contracted it versus from who. If 30 people pop positive and they all went to the same store or restaurant, perhaps that establishment needs to be looked at or shut down because they're probably not sanitizing things or limiting the number of people inside like they are supposed to. Trying to figure out the exact person who was around you at the exact moment you were infected seems unrealistic.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 9:11:37 GMT -5
You could just install a phone tracker app and it would keep track of everywhere you were and the time. They have that available in Germany on a voluntary basis, which is the way I think it should be. They do it in China but you have no choice.
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Post by movingforward on May 15, 2020 9:13:38 GMT -5
IDK - I'm kind of to the point of people are going to do whatever they want anyway so why not open things up a bit. There were hair dressers going to people's homes when we were under lock down, people were having house parties, I continuously see construction workers chatting with no masks and very little distance between them. If the hospitals are not overwhelmed then why not open things up. I think opening bars right now is dumb as hell, but my guess is that the people that would go to them are still gathering in some other form.
I am to the point that we are all responsible for ourselves. I am going to try and do what I can to not get this thing for several months (so hopefully health professionals know more about it), but I also don't necessarily judge people that want to get out and about. If they aren't scared of getting it then okay...let them go out and get it. That will allow us to get more useful information about this disease. If the healthcare system in one particular area starts to get overloaded then that area can start putting more restrictions in place. Locking down small town Kentucky because NYC is overloaded doesn't make sense to most people, and that is one reason why people are getting perturbed. I live in a large city where there have been quite a few cases and even our hospitals are far from overloaded.
I think in the beginning people were fine. They thought we would do this for around 4 weeks and be done, but we are way past that and people are getting antsy. The numbers actually did not drop dramatically like they thought. They miss their families, their friends, their co-workers, and normal activities.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 15, 2020 9:15:15 GMT -5
No, it is meant to find who was exposed to a known case. Done correctly, you have enough manpower to track down everyone with a potential signic=ficant exposure, quarantine them for the incubation period so there is no chance of spread, and find who they may have been in contact with, so they know to monitor for symptoms. Again, done right, someone would check in on all the people exposed to see if they are ill. manpower intensive, but it would lead t a decreasing number of infections over time, as you cut off spread by isolating people, and knowing who is sick. Who thinks we would a0 spend the money we need to do this, or b) tolerate the restrictions put in place, or c) give up our privacy or freedom?
Same system is done for STD tracking, people are supposed to identify their sexual contacts, so you can find infections.
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Post by giramomma on May 15, 2020 9:20:08 GMT -5
I can see some use for this. If someone diagnosed with COVID-19 was in Wal-Mart at a particular date/time and can specify that, AND they provide the info someplace you could check it (that's a big "if"- a web site somewhere?) you could be informed. It's hard to think how that would work, though- could you input your own outings and then get a reply as to where or not anyone there at the same time has been diagnosed? And you'd really need to keep checking for 2 weeks. Probably something only the paranoid among us would do. And this is the problem. Some folks equate taking reasonable mitigating steps as paranoia, a mental disorder.
So much for personal responsibility.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 15, 2020 9:23:05 GMT -5
IDK - I'm kind of to the point of people are going to do whatever they want anyway so why not open things up a bit. There were hair dressers going to people's homes when we were under lock down, people were having house parties, I continuously see construction workers chatting with no masks and very little distance between them. If the hospitals are not overwhelmed then why not open things up. I think opening bars right now is dumb as hell, but my guess is that the people that would go to them are still gathering in some other form.
I am to the point that we are all responsible for ourselves. I am going to try and do what I can do not get this thing for several months (so hopefully health professionals know more about it), but I also don't necessarily judge people that want to get out and about. If they aren't scared of getting it then okay...let them go out and get it. That will allow us to get more useful information about this disease. If the healthcare system in one particular area starts to get overloaded then that area can start putting more restrictions in place. Locking down small down Kentucky because NYC is overloaded doesn't make sense to most people, and that is one reason why people are getting perturbed. I live in a large city where there have been quite a few cases and even out hospitals are far from overloaded.
I think in the beginning people were fine. They thought we would do this for around 4 weeks and be done, but we are way past that and people are getting antsy. The numbers actually did not drop dramatically like they thought. They miss their families, their friends, their co-workers, and normal activities.
The only issue I have from my point of view is the lack of concern for the exposure healthcare workers are expected to assume. So, the people who do not get precautions get sick. They then come into healthcare facilities, expect to be treated, and expect we will voluntarily expose ourselves on a frequent basis, and it is no big deal. I really would like some consideration for our predicament. We do not want to catch this any more than you do, but if people act like idiots,they are directly affecting our risk.
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Post by hoops902 on May 15, 2020 9:32:32 GMT -5
No, it is meant to find who was exposed to a known case. Done correctly, you have enough manpower to track down everyone with a potential signic=ficant exposure, quarantine them for the incubation period so there is no chance of spread, and find who they may have been in contact with, so they know to monitor for symptoms. Again, done right, someone would check in on all the people exposed to see if they are ill. manpower intensive, but it would lead t a decreasing number of infections over time, as you cut off spread by isolating people, and knowing who is sick. Who thinks we would a0 spend the money we need to do this, or b) tolerate the restrictions put in place, or c) give up our privacy or freedom? Same system is done for STD tracking, people are supposed to identify their sexual contacts, so you can find infections. STD Tracking: Makes sense...most people will likely have a limited number of people to trace. And many of those people who get traced will be completed loops (i.e. they don't then have tons of people to track themselves, the loop is closed) Viral infection with a potential 14 day incubation period: This just seems...nearly impossible. It's not really just enough to 'check in on people to see if they are ill' because they likely won't be ill, until they are ill a few days later. If we were talking about "I had a significant period of time in their presence" then great. The moment we get into things like "I rode the bus", it seems like it's insanely difficult. At least with STDs hopefully I at least know the names of the people... But let's say I work at a Wal-Mart in grocery and I have a positive test. Ok, so now we're going to track down all the people who work there, or who shopped there. And that's in the last 2 weeks which is probably a massive number...and then all those people all those people had contact with. A big part of me wonders how "worth it" the tracing is for something like this. If you're in a place that has any outbreaks at all...and you're not a hermit...you've probably had contact, or contact with someone who had contact, etc. Might as well send me a message every day that says someone has been found diagnosed who may have had some kind of contact that I was exposed to. You'd be better off just literally shutting everyone and everything down for 2 weeks. With that long an incubation period, you're just going to be telling everyone constantly they may have been exposed...and it's all going to become meaningless to everyone.
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