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Post by movingforward on May 13, 2020 14:35:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that despite what any elected official says the people are pretty much going to decide when we are open. What I mean by that is that people have started to gather, their letting kids play with one another again, and some are going into the office despite our order to stay home, etc. Most are done for a while. Sometimes it goes the other way and people don’t feel safe even if businesses are open. I think it has a lot to do both with political attitudes and local disease prevalence. Oh, I completely agree. We have a mix of both in my area, but it feels like we have more that are ready to open. I have a high risk employee and I have told her she can remain home after the stay in place order is lifted.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 13, 2020 14:55:11 GMT -5
I do think some people are doing take out because that's all you can do. No travel, no movies, no concerts, no sporting events and there's only so much shopping online you can do. It's the one little piece of normalcy that's left for many people.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 18:16:33 GMT -5
Our governor is expected to announce he is extending our stay at home order today. I think most people are DONE and there will be some major unrest in my state pretty soon. Holy crap! They're letting our stay at home order expire! May 18th we reopen to some businesses and we can have small group gatherings. June 1st salons open.
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Post by giramomma on May 13, 2020 18:22:45 GMT -5
Our governor is expected to announce he is extending our stay at home order today. I think most people are DONE and there will be some major unrest in my state pretty soon. Holy crap! They're letting our stay at home order expire! May 18th we reopen to some businesses and we can have small group gatherings. June 1st salons open. Or you can all just have everyone drive over to WI to find a county that has opened everything up with no guidance what's so ever.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 18:43:02 GMT -5
Holy crap! They're letting our stay at home order expire! May 18th we reopen to some businesses and we can have small group gatherings. June 1st salons open. Or you can all just have everyone drive over to WI to find a county that has opened everything up with no guidance what's so ever. Already looked into that. Lacrosse isn't opening their salons until May 26th. I was hoping to get DS in before graduation.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 13, 2020 18:47:06 GMT -5
Retail and salons can open Friday at 5pm in Maryland. The stay at home orders revert back to a suggestion. Manufacturing can also resume. Car washes and pet groomers can reopen. Churches can reopen but outdoor services are encouraged. Indoor services are limited to 50% capacity and protective equipment is required.
Masks still needed on public transit and in retail stores. And gatherings of 10 or more are still prohibited.
I'm wondering if 50% capacity will increase the caps at grocery stores and the like. They've been operating under a person per square foot cap right now.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 13, 2020 18:48:51 GMT -5
Or you can all just have everyone drive over to WI to find a county that has opened everything up with no guidance what's so ever. Already looked into that. Lacrosse isn't opening their salons until May 26th. I was hoping to get DS in before graduation. Apparently you need to visit the mid Atlantic states. WV opened them up a week ago and MD opens them up Friday night.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 18:51:11 GMT -5
Already looked into that. Lacrosse isn't opening their salons until May 26th. I was hoping to get DS in before graduation. Apparently you need to visit the mid Atlantic states. WV opened them up a week ago and MD opens them up Friday night. Yeah, but 30 miles is about all I'll drive for a haircut.
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Post by giramomma on May 13, 2020 18:55:06 GMT -5
Or you can all just have everyone drive over to WI to find a county that has opened everything up with no guidance what's so ever. Already looked into that. Lacrosse isn't opening their salons until May 26th. I was hoping to get DS in before graduation. They announced that within the past few hours? If Lacrosse is republican leaning, I would expect things to open up sooner.
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Post by thyme4change on May 13, 2020 18:58:58 GMT -5
New info on kids. Still not a lot of infections, but when they get them, it appears to be bad. It looks different than it does in adults. Que the people saying that all these kids having medical issues just happen to coincidentally have Covid and there is no connection. I think the child infection rate is pretty high/comparable to adult rates, just statistically the symptoms tend not to be severe in children. My heart goes out to those statistical outliers though I havent heard it is higher. I have heard that it may be the same as adults, but because our testing is inadequate, we have no proof.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 19:03:01 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife, I'd rather pay to keep businesses running even at half-speed than pay for people to sit at home. During the Depression, the WPA put people to work rather than handing them the dole. Work makes people feel productive, and feeling productive is so much better than feeling hopeless. A friend of mine has a business. The employees are painting and cleaning since they aren't open. Great social distancing idea!
Many people are fundamentally lazy. I hate to put it like that, but it is the truth. If you can make more at home on unemployment than working a job, it is almost always the clear choice to stay home and play video games and/or binge Netflix. Or even better . . . work under the table some and increase your income even more.
So I'm glad that $$$ went to small businesses. Big businesses, not so much unless they can demonstrate they are really affected by the SIP order. Airlines, yes. Walmart, no. And I am aware that Walmart did not get a PPP loan. They have no franchises.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 19:06:39 GMT -5
Already looked into that. Lacrosse isn't opening their salons until May 26th. I was hoping to get DS in before graduation. They announced that within the past few hours? If Lacrosse is republican leaning, I would expect things to open up sooner.
I'm just going by the salon's websites and the Great Clips app.
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Post by giramomma on May 13, 2020 19:20:30 GMT -5
They announced that within the past few hours? If Lacrosse is republican leaning, I would expect things to open up sooner.
I'm just going by the salon's websites and the Great Clips app. Well, absent of any local rules, bars, restaurants and concert halls are allowed to open fully. I'd assume if a bar can open up tomorrow, with no restrictions, Great Clips can too.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 19:56:15 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife , I'd rather pay to keep businesses running even at half-speed than pay for people to sit at home. During the Depression, the WPA put people to work rather than handing them the dole. Work makes people feel productive, and feeling productive is so much better than feeling hopeless. A friend of mine has a business. The employees are painting and cleaning since they aren't open. Great social distancing idea! Many people are fundamentally lazy. I hate to put it like that, but it is the truth. If you can make more at home on unemployment than working a job, it is almost always the clear choice to stay home and play video games and/or binge Netflix. Or even better . . . work under the table some and increase your income even more. So I'm glad that $$$ went to small businesses. Big businesses, not so much unless they can demonstrate they are really affected by the SIP order. Airlines, yes. Walmart, no. And I am aware that Walmart did not get a PPP loan. They have no franchises. All well and good about putting people to work, WPA, Depression and all that, but what about spreading the virus? The whole point is that we need distance, distance, distance, and masks, masks, masks. Sorry. People aren't fundamentally lazy.
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Post by hoops902 on May 13, 2020 19:59:51 GMT -5
I do think some people are doing take out because that's all you can do. No travel, no movies, no concerts, no sporting events and there's only so much shopping online you can do. It's the one little piece of normalcy that's left for many people. It's also around here being pushed HARD. "If you don't want your favorite restaurant to close forever, better order from them". "If you're not a shitty person, support local businesses by ordering takeout".
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 20:16:09 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife , I'd rather pay to keep businesses running even at half-speed than pay for people to sit at home. During the Depression, the WPA put people to work rather than handing them the dole. Work makes people feel productive, and feeling productive is so much better than feeling hopeless. A friend of mine has a business. The employees are painting and cleaning since they aren't open. Great social distancing idea! Many people are fundamentally lazy. I hate to put it like that, but it is the truth. If you can make more at home on unemployment than working a job, it is almost always the clear choice to stay home and play video games and/or binge Netflix. Or even better . . . work under the table some and increase your income even more. So I'm glad that $$$ went to small businesses. Big businesses, not so much unless they can demonstrate they are really affected by the SIP order. Airlines, yes. Walmart, no. And I am aware that Walmart did not get a PPP loan. They have no franchises. All well and good about putting people to work, WPA, Depression and all that, but what about spreading the virus? The whole point is that we need distance, distance, distance, and masks, masks, masks. Sorry. People aren't fundamentally lazy. I said "many people," and I will stand by that statement. I am. Offer me an opportunity to cook something I love to eat or eat something I like that someone else prepared, guess which I will choose. I have a few basic chores I have to do every day, but 4 bags of mulch are still sitting in my carport. I have 8 hours every day that I could spend doing various projects as if I am still working. Do i? I usually spend 3. I am no better or worse than anyone else. And I love receiving a pension and SS for doing nothing. Maybe I am the exception and don't realize it. There are jobs within the confines of social distancing. Within retailing, there are picking and packaging. Within restaurants, there is cooking, packaging, and delivery. The plumber came, the electrician came, the exterminator came, the lawn service came, and the painter came. Was it the same? No. It won't be. But it is better to pay people to do something than to do nothing.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 13, 2020 21:07:28 GMT -5
The casino down the road from me just opened up. They are limiting the number of customers into the building, and the line in stretches forever. A casino would be the last place I would want to go.
That being said, I noticed one of the independent yarn shops is offering curbside service. Despite the fact that I pass this store any time I go into town, I quickly realized that the store was dangerous for me. This store has beautiful, high end (cashmere) yarns. I do not dare to take step into that store again!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 21:12:54 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife , I'd rather pay to keep businesses running even at half-speed than pay for people to sit at home. During the Depression, the WPA put people to work rather than handing them the dole. Work makes people feel productive, and feeling productive is so much better than feeling hopeless. A friend of mine has a business. The employees are painting and cleaning since they aren't open. Great social distancing idea! Many people are fundamentally lazy. I hate to put it like that, but it is the truth. If you can make more at home on unemployment than working a job, it is almost always the clear choice to stay home and play video games and/or binge Netflix. Or even better . . . work under the table some and increase your income even more. So I'm glad that $$$ went to small businesses. Big businesses, not so much unless they can demonstrate they are really affected by the SIP order. Airlines, yes. Walmart, no. And I am aware that Walmart did not get a PPP loan. They have no franchises. I wasn't aware the WPA forced people to work during a contagious pandemic. That's the difference some people fail to understand - COVID 19 can kill you. It's not about being lazy.
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Post by nidena on May 14, 2020 2:04:18 GMT -5
Many people are fundamentally lazy. I hate to put it like that, but it is the truth. If you can make more at home on unemployment than working a job, it is almost always the clear choice to stay home and play video games and/or binge Netflix. Or even better . . . work under the table some and increase your income even more. I'm not working. I am fundamentally lazy. My income hasn't changed since all this happened. Even before, having income already in place means that I don't have to work at some shit job. I can be picky. Picky with where I work. Picky with how many hours I work. Picky with how far I'll drive. Being on the dole has allowed me to be selective. People shouldn't have to work just because someone else thinks they should.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 5:58:36 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife , I'd rather pay to keep businesses running even at half-speed than pay for people to sit at home. During the Depression, the WPA put people to work rather than handing them the dole. Work makes people feel productive, and feeling productive is so much better than feeling hopeless. A friend of mine has a business. The employees are painting and cleaning since they aren't open. Great social distancing idea! Many people are fundamentally lazy. I hate to put it like that, but it is the truth. If you can make more at home on unemployment than working a job, it is almost always the clear choice to stay home and play video games and/or binge Netflix. Or even better . . . work under the table some and increase your income even more. So I'm glad that $$$ went to small businesses. Big businesses, not so much unless they can demonstrate they are really affected by the SIP order. Airlines, yes. Walmart, no. And I am aware that Walmart did not get a PPP loan. They have no franchises. I wasn't aware the WPA forced people to work during a contagious pandemic. That's the difference some people fail to understand - COVID 19 can kill you. It's not about being lazy. You are changing the argument. I don't think the unemployed stayed home because they were lazy. They had no choice because their employers shut down. But if their employers can find a way, thanks to the PPP program, to bring them back, that should be a good thing. That should be better than sitting at home watching tv and getting a check from the government. I'm not talking about unemployment. I am talking specifically about more stimulus money. Your original argument was that you would rather those trillions go to individuals rather than the people who employ them. Yes, covid-19 can kill you. We have to find ways to deal with that. But hiding at home for the next two years isn't one of them. And the truth is that staying at home seems to be rather selective right now. There is a big controversy right now about our two large high schools (750 in one class) deciding to hold an outdoor graduation ceremony. Going to work in a grocery store has to be at least as safe as that.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on May 14, 2020 6:08:10 GMT -5
I wasn't aware the WPA forced people to work during a contagious pandemic. That's the difference some people fail to understand - COVID 19 can kill you. It's not about being lazy. You are changing the argument. I don't think the unemployed stayed home because they were lazy. They had no choice because their employers shut down. But if their employers can find a way, thanks to the PPP program, to bring them back, that should be a good thing. That should be better than sitting at home watching tv and getting a check from the government. I'm not talking about unemployment. I am talking specifically about more stimulus money. Your original argument was that you would rather those trillions go to individuals rather than the people who employ them. Yes, covid-19 can kill you. We have to find ways to deal with that. But hiding at home for the next two years isn't one of them. And the truth is that staying at home seems to be rather selective right now. There is a big controversy right now about our two large high schools (750 in one class) deciding to hold an outdoor graduation ceremony. Going to work in a grocery store has to be at least as safe as that. I don’t think it’s an either/or situation. Some types of businesses can find ways to make the workplace safer. A produce stand near me requires all customers and woekers to wear masks. Before entry, an employee asks all customers to wash their hands and then gives them a sanitized cart or basket. The cashiers have a sneeze guard which protects both customer and cashier. Customers do not touch the produce -a worker fetches the requested item and places into the cart. Payment is via a hand held computer: the cashier holds it out and the customer inserts the card. The cashier doesnt touch the card and the customer doesn’t touch the computer. I feel reasonably safe shopping there. An outdoor graduation ceremony could be OK, IF social distancing were observed and all participants wore masks. Safer than working inside a grocery store for hours with customers wwith no masks.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 7:42:34 GMT -5
You are changing the argument. I don't think the unemployed stayed home because they were lazy. They had no choice because their employers shut down. But if their employers can find a way, thanks to the PPP program, to bring them back, that should be a good thing. That should be better than sitting at home watching tv and getting a check from the government. I'm not talking about unemployment. I am talking specifically about more stimulus money. Your original argument was that you would rather those trillions go to individuals rather than the people who employ them. Yes, covid-19 can kill you. We have to find ways to deal with that. But hiding at home for the next two years isn't one of them. And the truth is that staying at home seems to be rather selective right now. There is a big controversy right now about our two large high schools (750 in one class) deciding to hold an outdoor graduation ceremony. Going to work in a grocery store has to be at least as safe as that. I don’t think it’s an either/or situation. Some types of businesses can find ways to make the workplace safer. A produce stand near me requires all customers and woekers to wear masks. Before entry, an employee asks all customers to wash their hands and then gives them a sanitized cart or basket. The cashiers have a sneeze guard which protects both customer and cashier. Customers do not touch the produce -a worker fetches the requested item and places into the cart. Payment is via a hand held computer: the cashier holds it out and the customer inserts the card. The cashier doesnt touch the card and the customer doesn’t touch the computer. I feel reasonably safe shopping there. An outdoor graduation ceremony could be OK, IF social distancing were observed and all participants wore masks. Safer than working inside a grocery store for hours with customers wwith no masks. An outdoor graduation ceremony could be OK, IF social distancing were observed and all participants wore masks. Safer than working inside a grocery store for hours with customers with no masks.
Yes, but as you said, it isn't either/or. Most of the customers in the grocery store ARE wearing masks. However, masks are optional in both situations here. The participants (graduates and faculty) will all be issued masks and required to wear them. They may remove them long enough to have their picture taken. The spectators will be asked to wear masks but are not required. The ceremony is voluntary for both students and faculty. Everyone's name will be read whether they attend or not, and the ceremony will be live-streamed. All 750 seniors will not participate although they may collect their 4 tickets to sell or give away. (There is always a thriving black market for graduation tickets even in regular years.) Let's say about half attend. With their guests, that is at least 3000 people (instead of about 5000 if all show) in a facility designed for 11,000. They are going to attempt social distancing. Every other seat, though, isn't six feet. And you would have to do every other row as well to make it work. It "could" be ok, but it wouldn't take much for the situation to implode. One or two sick people who aren't wearing masks . . . I'd personally rate my chances with the grocery store scenario as better. At Walmart, everyone seems to be using the self-checkouts. They are pretty much every other one and are sanitized between customers. I avoid rows with customers while shopping as much as possible. I zigzag to cross the store. At Publix, you do have real cashiers, but they are behind plexiglass screens. You have no contact with anyone else unless you have to pass them while they are stocking. The one-way aisles help with that. I think the workers are as safe as can be and still have contact with customers. Remember that my daughter is a Walmart employee.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 14, 2020 9:45:06 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s an either/or situation. Some types of businesses can find ways to make the workplace safer. A produce stand near me requires all customers and woekers to wear masks. Before entry, an employee asks all customers to wash their hands and then gives them a sanitized cart or basket. The cashiers have a sneeze guard which protects both customer and cashier. Customers do not touch the produce -a worker fetches the requested item and places into the cart. Payment is via a hand held computer: the cashier holds it out and the customer inserts the card. The cashier doesnt touch the card and the customer doesn’t touch the computer. I feel reasonably safe shopping there. An outdoor graduation ceremony could be OK, IF social distancing were observed and all participants wore masks. Safer than working inside a grocery store for hours with customers wwith no masks. I work in a library. The entire field is trying to find a way to reopen, for our patrons. On the surface, we look like a grocery store, or restaurant. Some tried curbside takeout (place holds online, pickup). Difference is, our items come back! Other problem is that many of our patrons are not online (older, no or can't get internet), and our system SW is designed to search the entire system, not prioritize home library only. Once they shut down the ILL delivery, they also had to turn off the hold placing altogether. So we've got a large portion of our patrons who choose books by physically browsing our stacks. We also have a portion of our patrons who are tech enabled, but we'd need to revert back to taking phone calls for requests, fill them by hand, and have curbside service. The one area where we can continue to serve patrons is thru our electronic services. Patrons can download online, all by themselves, e-books, audiobooks, e-magazines, etc. Unfortunately, those resources have only been marginally accessed, not nearly the increase we'd expected to see. Now, as to the graduation ceremonies - locally a large drive-in theater has offered to host them, in cars obviously. Last I heard, over 3 dozen schools were interested.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 9:53:53 GMT -5
I wasn't aware the WPA forced people to work during a contagious pandemic. That's the difference some people fail to understand - COVID 19 can kill you. It's not about being lazy. You are changing the argument. I don't think the unemployed stayed home because they were lazy. They had no choice because their employers shut down. But if their employers can find a way, thanks to the PPP program, to bring them back, that should be a good thing. That should be better than sitting at home watching tv and getting a check from the government. I'm not talking about unemployment. I am talking specifically about more stimulus money. Your original argument was that you would rather those trillions go to individuals rather than the people who employ them. Yes, covid-19 can kill you. We have to find ways to deal with that. But hiding at home for the next two years isn't one of them. And the truth is that staying at home seems to be rather selective right now. There is a big controversy right now about our two large high schools (750 in one class) deciding to hold an outdoor graduation ceremony. Going to work in a grocery store has to be at least as safe as that. I think businesses that want to open and employees who feel safe to work should go for it. People will patronize their businesses or not. It puts the entire community at a higher risk, but it is what it is. However, I think it's criminal to open things back up when it isn't safe and force people to work. How long people need to stay home really isn't my or your decision. It's a MEDICAL decision. Problem is, no one is making those decisions for our country, currently. Simply having a minor pre-existing condition such as being overweight, a previous smoker, high BP, age, etc... can make this virus deadly. It's pretty easy to force those folks back to work and claim their pre-existing conditions are their fault. The same is said for lower income people essentially being denied UI because the systems can't handle their applications. This forces people to return to work whether it's safe or not. That's wrong and has nothing to do with being "lazy".
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Post by alabamagal on May 14, 2020 11:07:02 GMT -5
One of the media companies here is offering free downloads of graduation speeches from famous people so graduates don’t miss out on the opportunity to hear a graduation speech.
Personally I would gladly skip having to listen to graduation speeches. I have been to 8 high school and college graduations in the past 11 years for my kids (including 2 for DDIL). I only recall one speaker (the last one 3 years ago). I won’t miss speeches, but will miss graduation parties. Thankfully done with graduations from that generation.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 11:36:36 GMT -5
I work in a library. The entire field is trying to find a way to reopen, for our patrons. On the surface, we look like a grocery store, or restaurant. Some tried curbside takeout (place holds online, pickup). Difference is, our items come back! <snip> The one area where we can continue to serve patrons is thru our electronic services. Patrons can download online, all by themselves, e-books, audiobooks, e-magazines, etc. Unfortunately, those resources have only been marginally accessed, not nearly the increase we'd expected to see. Mine has started curbside pickup. I haven't tried it yet because I bought a Nook in January and I LOVE being able to download books! When I visit my grandchildren I do plan to use curbside checkout for some of their favorite books so I can bring them with me. Our drive-in was converted to a weekend flea market- closed now, of course. (Coincidence that I can no longer get rid of anything as Free Stuff on Craigslist? I think not.) I really think they ought to bring back drive-in movies. I'd go!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 11:37:02 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife, you sound really stressed about this. You do know that the closures were about "flattening the curve," or making sure that the number of cases didn't overwhelm the medical system? It was never intended to last until we had a vaccine or even herd immunity. The extremely vulnerable--and that includes me in terms of bp, weight, previous smoker, and age--are going to have to assume most of the responsibility for staying away from potentially dangerous scenarios. I can't expect the world to stop because of me. If we continue to print money like we are now, the few dollars some of us have saved for retirement will be worthless. I have lived through real inflation. Our children and grandchildren's future will be mortgaged to payback the national debt. And the virus will still take out a lot of us before we find a solution. As Gardening Grandma said, it's not an either/or situation. We can live our lives with appropriate caution, but we have to go back to living them. You have money in the bank and a job that allows you to work in isolation. I know you worry about your son, but with his health issues and continued seizures, maybe it would be best to explore disability again. What I should have said is not that people are fundamentally lazy, but rather too much leisure makes us lazy. Or at least that's its effect on me. I know he prefers to work, but now may just not be the time. And like I said to a different poster, there comes a time when I need to quit arguing about the issue. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Good luck!
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Post by movingforward on May 14, 2020 11:43:19 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife , you sound really stressed about this. You do know that the closures were about "flattening the curve," or making sure that the number of cases didn't overwhelm the medical system? It was never intended to last until we had a vaccine or even herd immunity. The extremely vulnerable--and that includes me in terms of bp, weight, previous smoker, and age--are going to have to assume most of the responsibility for staying away from potentially dangerous scenarios. I can't expect the world to stop because of me. If we continue to print money like we are now, the few dollars some of us have saved for retirement will be worthless. I have lived through real inflation. Our children and grandchildren's future will be mortgaged to payback the national debt. And the virus will still take out a lot of us before we find a solution. As Gardening Grandma said, it's not an either/or situation. We can live our lives with appropriate caution, but we have to go back to living them. You have money in the bank and a job that allows you to work in isolation. I know you worry about your son, but with his health issues and continued seizures, maybe it would be best to explore disability again. What I should have said is not that people are fundamentally lazy, but rather too much leisure makes us lazy. Or at least that's its effect on me. I know he prefers to work, but now may just not be the time. And like I said to a different poster, there comes a time when I need to quit arguing about the issue. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Good luck! There also is the issue of depression. Sometimes, I'm not sure that people get lazy as much as they get depressed. I know when my ex was out of work during the great recession there came a point where he just got so down in the dumps. It took him a year to find a job and he was almost to the mindset of believing he was never going to find one. Sitting around doing nothing is not a good thing...
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hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on May 14, 2020 11:56:25 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife , you sound really stressed about this. You do know that the closures were about "flattening the curve," or making sure that the number of cases didn't overwhelm the medical system? It was never intended to last until we had a vaccine or even herd immunity. The extremely vulnerable--and that includes me in terms of bp, weight, previous smoker, and age--are going to have to assume most of the responsibility for staying away from potentially dangerous scenarios. I can't expect the world to stop because of me. If we continue to print money like we are now, the few dollars some of us have saved for retirement will be worthless. I have lived through real inflation. Our children and grandchildren's future will be mortgaged to payback the national debt. And the virus will still take out a lot of us before we find a solution. As Gardening Grandma said, it's not an either/or situation. We can live our lives with appropriate caution, but we have to go back to living them. You have money in the bank and a job that allows you to work in isolation. I know you worry about your son, but with his health issues and continued seizures, maybe it would be best to explore disability again. What I should have said is not that people are fundamentally lazy, but rather too much leisure makes us lazy. Or at least that's its effect on me. I know he prefers to work, but now may just not be the time. And like I said to a different poster, there comes a time when I need to quit arguing about the issue. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. Good luck! No, she does not. Many other don't understand that either. Or they understand it, but prefer a different goal that nobody of influence has laid out as their systematic goal. The applicable metric is healthcare capacity. The goal is not to keep people from getting infected, or to keep people from dying, it is to keep people from dying due to overwhelming the healthcare system specifically. People want to make it complex...it's really not. You can essentially chart healthcare capacity predictively since may need a 2 week lead time...as capacity is low you open things up, as capacity shrinks you shrink up the openings. That's also why it makes no sense to have national closings/openings...healthcare capacity is not nationwide. There's no reason for folks in Idaho to have the same restrictions as folks in New York if Idaho has plenty of capacity and New York has zero. To your point, closures are not about keeping individuals safe. They are about keeping total healthcare needs within a range where folks who need treatment can be treated. That goal is far more relaxed than a goal of "keep as many people as possible from getting infected".
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Post by teen persuasion on May 14, 2020 12:00:39 GMT -5
I work in a library. The entire field is trying to find a way to reopen, for our patrons. On the surface, we look like a grocery store, or restaurant. Some tried curbside takeout (place holds online, pickup). Difference is, our items come back! <snip> The one area where we can continue to serve patrons is thru our electronic services. Patrons can download online, all by themselves, e-books, audiobooks, e-magazines, etc. Unfortunately, those resources have only been marginally accessed, not nearly the increase we'd expected to see. Mine has started curbside pickup. I haven't tried it yet because I bought a Nook in January and I LOVE being able to download books! When I visit my grandchildren I do plan to use curbside checkout for some of their favorite books so I can bring them with me. Our drive-in was converted to a weekend flea market- closed now, of course. (Coincidence that I can no longer get rid of anything as Free Stuff on Craigslist? I think not.) I really think they ought to bring back drive-in movies. I'd go! Drive-ins are still a thing, here. There's no chain indoor theaters nearby, because there's no malls nearby - Wal-Mart killed the mall in the small city in my county. Wal-Mart decided that the mall's location was the only site they wanted, and once they announced that, the stores in the mall all began moving out, didn't renew their leases, just closed up shop, til the mall was BON-TON, an electronics store, and the movies. The movies stopped running, the electronic store disappeared. The mall was demolished (except BON-TON), and environmental issues held up the building of the super Wal-Mart for a decade(?). Seagulls began nesting. It was stupid all around. Finally we have a big super Wal-Mart, I hate it, the old non-super Wal-Mart sits abandoned . There is still a classic, old theater in the heart of the city. They've been restoring it. It typically goes back and forth between live shows and movies, so you have to plan to catch a movie there, they are not just running 24/7. These months closed up have to be killing them, they're running on a shoestring in the best of times. But my little town has a drive in, and that other drive-in I mentioned earlier has been booming. They expanded last year, they are huge now. If I wanted to see a movie in a standard theater, I'd have to drive way past my drive-in, the historic theater, and the huge drive-in, and then that distance again to get to the 'burbs. So it's location. Drive-in movies and tennis were things Cuomo unexpectedly opened up for every region. Downstate scoffed at the idea drive-ins still existed, but they do here!
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