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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 21, 2020 20:54:34 GMT -5
Did you hear that Wisconsin has tied 7 new virus cases to people standing in line to vote in the primary? those people should take their case to civil court. That might not go very far, but damn would I ever be preparing political signs for November: the Rebublicans are willing to kill to stay in power! Or No killers paid with MY tax money. Like sime pictures added? A line of coffins - your Republican representatives at work. An Elephant - the Real Death Panels in action (with recent election date) I can easily come up with a slew more and they would be all over the place starting September!
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Post by kadee79 on Apr 21, 2020 21:26:16 GMT -5
Yep, saw that earlier. Except the Koch mess isn't participating in that...they are doing other stuff.
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 21, 2020 22:18:48 GMT -5
TP & paper towels? How about the lives that will be lost? It's not about stuff, it's about dead bodies. My county has 70,000 people and 6, that's SIX ICU beds in the entire county. The entire idea that stuff is more important than lives is why states like mine are opening. Our numbers haven't declined at all, but we're the fucking guinea pigs for the GOP states.
and if your only worry is stuff, then you got bigger problems than tp & paper towels. The food chain is going to be disrupted very soon. 4 Smithfield plants have closed, 2 Tyson chicken plants just in Georgia have closed, it's now turning up in beef processing plants, and I can name 2 bread plants in Georgia that are currently shut down. But yeah, snatch up that tp!
You need to learn about what a sarcastic comment/cultural referance is. She said everything you did in less than 10 words.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 21, 2020 23:27:47 GMT -5
check out the failed state article that Tenn posted. it nails it.
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 22, 2020 6:19:19 GMT -5
Our governor was ask in his presser yesterday about the GA governor. He said he wasn't going to comment on what other states were doing, his job is keeping his state safe. And he said over and over again that he was following the guidelines put out by the Whitehouse. It's so different to see a leader answer questions in a dignified manner as opposed to watching the WH pressers.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 22, 2020 6:27:20 GMT -5
According to Kemp, we're "prepared" with hospital beds and equipment. I sure hope he also took into consideration having the personnel needed to take care of the people in those beds and to run that equipment. There will be a second wave and Kemp will end up having to shut things back down again. Even the federal guidelines say an area has to have two weeks of down trending numbers of newly infected, and GA hasn't achieved that yet. They had the mayor of Albany GA on TV last night, Albany had something like 13 funerals last weekend, and three more people who died this week - and it's a fairly small town. Their mayor said there's no way he's allowing businesses to open back up again right now, so at least there are some GA officials with sense. Another guideline is that businesses that open have to give their employees masks and must test their employees temps before coming to work. How the hell are small businesses supposed to come up with masks? My company just spent 80,000 to get 80,000 surgical masks and had to scour their business contacts to find them, how exactly is the local barber going to get his hands on some?
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Post by kadee79 on Apr 22, 2020 11:49:24 GMT -5
Another guideline is that businesses that open have to give their employees masks and must test their employees temps before coming to work. How the hell are small businesses supposed to come up with masks? My company just spent 80,000 to get 80,000 surgical masks and had to scour their business contacts to find them, how exactly is the local barber going to get his hands on some? Don't ask the hard questions cause our stupid state government can't answer those kinds of questions. Someone figured it out some place that I read....it's about the rent. If the businesses have been told to open, they are now responsible for paying rent whether or not they get any customers. They will no longer be exempt from those payment. Remember, Kemp only consulted CEOs & hospital CEOs who want those elective surgeries to start again to generate more $$ for the hospitals. The hospital in my county is opening up for those next week....and now you know why we go to a hospital in another county that is 50 mi. from us.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 22, 2020 13:21:06 GMT -5
I predict that even if these businesses do open, they are going to see a HUGE reduction in customers, and they will have trouble paying rent/bills anyway, then they will get sick. The whole thing is going to backfire gloriously! My sincerest condolences to those of you who live in Georgia. Please be safe and stay home if you can!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 22, 2020 13:44:36 GMT -5
I am torn on elective surgery. Sure you got your Joan Rivers and living ken dolls on one side but then you have people that while it is elective right now by the time hospitals open it may become something they can't treat at all either due now to it's severity or they cannot cover the cost of a now more complex problem.
I would hope that these people's doctors know which is which and will do their best to lay out the risks and take patients on a case by case basis.
Dental care is a good example for me. I can skip one or two cleanings, but if they were to hypothetically close them to all non-emergencies till 2022 I'd be screwed. I have perio which not deemed essential right now because it's under control. I understand that.
Two years from now though I'd be looking at some pretty serious issues. I am lucky that while it would suck I could afford it. Others can't.
So I go back and forth about hospitals and dental offices. It's a really tight rope to walk for patients and doctors/dentists.
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Post by steff on Apr 22, 2020 14:16:51 GMT -5
From FB You really want to know what I think about rescinding shelter in place in the way this order is structured?
It's about making sure people can't file unemployment. It isn't about saving lives, certainly. It's not about the peak of the curve. I think lots of people are going to ignore the governor and stay home regardless. This isn't a decision being driven by epidemiology. It's the rawest and most lethal of political decisions, and it will kill people.
Kemp is looking forward to the fiscal discussion in 2021 and 2022, when all of this really starts to hit. He got elected by out-yahooing the field. His base has been trained to view government spending as a crime, and he knows that he becomes politically vulnerable to an attack if he raises taxes. He is not capable of delivering a nuanced message around necessity, because his base doesn't know how to hear it.
The state is staring at one million unemployment applications. It probably cannot pay those over six months. The unemployment fund has a reserve of about $2.6 billion. Last week it paid out about $42 million -- which is about three times as much as it usually does. That figure will double in two weeks, give or take. Maybe more.
At that rate, the fund is empty in about 28 weeks. Probably less. Even if things improve later, that fund will run dry in a year, because unemployment isn't going to return to 5 percent for a long time.
Georgians did the Kansas thing a couple of years ago and instituted a hard constitutional limit on income taxes of 6 percent. It cannot go higher without amending the state constitution. What that means is that there's no easy mechanism for the state to accommodate an extraordinary expense, like this, without somehow telling Republican reactionaries that they must raise taxes.
Those reactionaries are the ones who will be protesting in front of the state house Friday, when this order goes into effect.
If there's no state order calling for businesses to be closed, the people who are unemployed can no longer claim that their unemployment is involuntary, even if it would be utter idiocy for them to return to work. A hair dresser or a massage therapist cannot maintain social distance. But they can certainly file for relief ... unless the law says they can work.
"Gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists."
Not banks. Not software firms. Not factories. Not schools.
It is no coincidence that the businesses on this list are staffed by relatively poor people. Because that's who he wants off the unemployment rolls. And if they die ... well, they're mostly black people, or Asian, and poor, and an acceptable political loss for a Republican governor.
The purpose of this isn't to open up these businesses. It's to get the workers there off the dole. Work, and die. Or don't work ... but you're on your own. Because we can't raise taxes to cover the time you spent trying to save your life and the lives of the people around you.
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Post by daisylu on Apr 22, 2020 14:17:05 GMT -5
Has Birx started drinking the koolaid? news.yahoo.com/birx-says-georgia-residents-can-be-very-creative-about-getting-tattoos-and-haircuts-while-social-distancing-001903192.htmlAmong the businesses that Kemp, a Republican and a strong supporter of President Trump, plans to allow to reopen on Friday are hair and nail salons and tattoo parlors.
“I believe people in Atlanta would understand that if their cases are not going down that they need to continue to do everything that we said — social distancing, washing your hands, wearing a mask in public — so if there’s a way that people can social distance and do those things, then they can do those things. I don’t know how, but people are very creative,” Birx said.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 22, 2020 14:24:48 GMT -5
Atlanta should organize a boycott of those businesses refusing to quarantine.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 22, 2020 14:37:39 GMT -5
.... If there's no state order calling for businesses to be closed, the people who are unemployed can no longer claim that their unemployment is involuntary, even if it would be utter idiocy for them to return to work. A hair dresser or a massage therapist cannot maintain social distance. But they can certainly file for relief ... unless the law says they can work.... Truly an honest question: The governor of a state says that beauty shops can open. Mary, the owner of Cut and Curl, does not reopen her shop. Does that mean that Jane, who was an employee at Cut and Curl before being laid off, is no longer eligible for unemployment?
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Post by oped on Apr 22, 2020 14:53:48 GMT -5
I think a lot get classified as independent contractors,
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 22, 2020 15:00:55 GMT -5
Atlanta should organize a boycott of those businesses refusing to quarantine. I have to say I find the idea of "organiz(ing) a boycott" at this time amusing. I can see creating a list of those who open now so that in the future people could not patronize them. But now it is just a matter of not getting your hair cut anywhere.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 22, 2020 15:09:50 GMT -5
Atlanta should organize a boycott of those businesses refusing to quarantine. I have to say I find the idea of "organiz(ing) a boycott" at this time amusing. I can see creating a list of those who open now so that in the future people could not patronize them. But now it is just a matter of not getting your hair cut anywhere. it is the only way that consumers can protect themselves when the government fails to act.
#notamused
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Post by kadee79 on Apr 22, 2020 15:18:23 GMT -5
I'm not aware of any beautician being anything other than an independent contractor....aka, self employed. The shop owner "rents" them space while they also provide other necessary items like towels & laundry equipment.
Not sure exactly how that will work...but it may end up being a mess since they are ok'd to reopen....then they have to pay rent. No customers, no monies for paying for that.
And I'm not going for a hair cut for awhile yet. Just cut my DH's hair yesterday...he is good to go.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 22, 2020 15:33:31 GMT -5
I have to say I find the idea of "organiz(ing) a boycott" at this time amusing. I can see creating a list of those who open now so that in the future people could not patronize them. But now it is just a matter of not getting your hair cut anywhere. it is the only way that consumers can protect themselves when the government fails to act.
#notamused
In this case, the way that "consumers" can and will protect themselves is to not consume any of a given service from any source. An organized boycott of a specific business only has meaning if those who are boycotting business "X" patronize business "Y" instead. It does make sense to work to help people stay strong against the temptation to use services opened up too early. But that is not a boycott.
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Post by steff on Apr 22, 2020 15:38:35 GMT -5
My hubby learned a few years ago to never mention my gray hair, so I'm fine without going to get my hair done. I'm just waiting for Overtone to restock & I'm going pink again. lol
I never thought I'd look forward to the annoying "where do you want to go eat?" back & forth, but we're not going to be eating out for a long time. At best I'm hoping my Chinese delivery reopens. We've already talked about how it could possibly be next year before we hit the inside of a restaurant again.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 22, 2020 15:39:06 GMT -5
I'm not aware of any beautician being anything other than an independent contractor....aka, self employed. The shop owner "rents" them space while they also provide other necessary items like towels & laundry equipment. Not sure exactly how that will work...but it may end up being a mess since they are ok'd to reopen....then they have to pay rent. No customers, no monies for paying for that. And I'm not going for a hair cut for awhile yet. Just cut my DH's hair yesterday...he is good to go. Supercuts Hair Salon pays its employees an average of $10.15 an hour. Hourly pay at Supercuts Hair Salon ranges from an average of $8.04 to $13.43 an hour.Mar 10, 2020 link
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 16:00:52 GMT -5
I predict that even if these businesses do open, they are going to see a HUGE reduction in customers, and they will have trouble paying rent/bills anyway, then they will get sick. The whole thing is going to backfire gloriously! My sincerest condolences to those of you who live in Georgia. Please be safe and stay home if you can! DSIL is general manager of a large bowling center. Corporate told him to open Friday. All the leagues ended their seasons when stay-at-home went into effect. I seriously doubt that anybody is going to show up, families in tow, to bowl. It's going to cost them more to be open than to be closed.
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Post by kadee79 on Apr 22, 2020 16:08:46 GMT -5
I'm not aware of any beautician being anything other than an independent contractor....aka, self employed. The shop owner "rents" them space while they also provide other necessary items like towels & laundry equipment. Not sure exactly how that will work...but it may end up being a mess since they are ok'd to reopen....then they have to pay rent. No customers, no monies for paying for that. And I'm not going for a hair cut for awhile yet. Just cut my DH's hair yesterday...he is good to go. Supercuts Hair Salon pays its employees an average of $10.15 an hour. Hourly pay at Supercuts Hair Salon ranges from an average of $8.04 to $13.43 an hour.Mar 10, 2020 link I don't really consider them much of a "salon"....they are run more like a beauty school....so granted, not independent contractors there. It's a place for a lot of those just out of school to get a start & get a following before transferring to a REAL salon. ETA...Most get a 'station' in a salon if they are any good cause they can make WAY more than that per hr. once they have a following. Just doing hair cuts like mine, my beautician can make $20-$30 per hr. And many other processes are a lot more expensive than what I get.
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Post by saveinla on Apr 22, 2020 16:16:50 GMT -5
They were talking to a yoga instructor who owned a studio in Atlanta last night on the news- she said she was not going to open as she did not want to get anyone sick and be liable for that.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 22, 2020 16:16:59 GMT -5
I predict that even if these businesses do open, they are going to see a HUGE reduction in customers, and they will have trouble paying rent/bills anyway, then they will get sick. The whole thing is going to backfire gloriously! My sincerest condolences to those of you who live in Georgia. Please be safe and stay home if you can! DSIL is general manager of a large bowling center. Corporate told him to open Friday. All the leagues ended their seasons when stay-at-home went into effect. I seriously doubt that anybody is going to show up, families in tow, to bowl. It's going to cost them more to be open than to be closed.EXACTLY!!!!!
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 22, 2020 16:19:28 GMT -5
I'm not aware of any beautician being anything other than an independent contractor....aka, self employed. The shop owner "rents" them space while they also provide other necessary items like towels & laundry equipment. Not sure exactly how that will work...but it may end up being a mess since they are ok'd to reopen....then they have to pay rent. No customers, no monies for paying for that. And I'm not going for a hair cut for awhile yet. Just cut my DH's hair yesterday...he is good to go. Supercuts Hair Salon pays its employees an average of $10.15 an hour. Hourly pay at Supercuts Hair Salon ranges from an average of $8.04 to $13.43 an hour.Mar 10, 2020 link Most of those stylist also get tips that they rely on....no customers, no tips. I know it takes them about 15 minutes to cut my hair and i give them $5. if they do that twice in an hour that doubles their pay. So going back to work and sacrificing your health for 3/4 or half the pay just doesnt seem work it. These are the people I feel sorry for.....go back to work and possibly get sick/die or be fired.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 22, 2020 16:21:28 GMT -5
it is the only way that consumers can protect themselves when the government fails to act.
#notamused
In this case, the way that "consumers" can and will protect themselves is to not consume any of a given service from any source. An organized boycott of a specific business only has meaning if those who are boycotting business "X" patronize business "Y" instead. It does make sense to work to help people stay strong against the temptation to use services opened up too early. But that is not a boycott. I thought I said "any business"- in other words, case by case.
how is that not a boycott?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 22, 2020 16:23:58 GMT -5
DSIL is general manager of a large bowling center. Corporate told him to open Friday. All the leagues ended their seasons when stay-at-home went into effect. I seriously doubt that anybody is going to show up, families in tow, to bowl. It's going to cost them more to be open than to be closed.EXACTLY!!!!! and this is overlooking the moral cost of opening and having your customers get sick because of it.
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Post by kadee79 on Apr 22, 2020 16:25:20 GMT -5
In this case, the way that "consumers" can and will protect themselves is to not consume any of a given service from any source. An organized boycott of a specific business only has meaning if those who are boycotting business "X" patronize business "Y" instead. It does make sense to work to help people stay strong against the temptation to use services opened up too early. But that is not a boycott. I thought I said "any business"- in other words, case by case.
how is that not a boycott?
I will boycott Ruth Chris's due to the caper they pulled...never, ever eat there again. I won't boycott my beautician, I just won't go until it is safer for all concerned...and I'll still take precautions then. So not boycotting, just delaying partaking of that service.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 22, 2020 16:33:00 GMT -5
Spain cancelled the Running of the Bulls Germany cancelled Octoberfest Georgia opened the massage parlors
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