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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 5, 2020 14:53:02 GMT -5
Oh please Ednkris. Would you ever want to spend a bit of time ferreting out the truth instead of thinking “FOX news is the only truthful media” and then watching it until your brain turns into vanilla pudding? i do watch cnn sometimes as long as my stomach is empty The massive tax cuts for the 1% and America’s multinational corps did the well documented following: 1. Repatriated off shore funds at a special 10% tax rate. that is a bad thing why?2. Slashed corporate taxes to levels unseen. i think it should be even lower3. Drove stock prices up as the corps spent a vast majority of the tax savings buying back stock. their savings ....can use the money the way they see fit4. With higher stock prices, the execs stock options skyrocketed, and if they were smart enough, they cashed in at the much lower high bracket tax rates. same answer as #35. This, of course, enabled deficit growth in excess of Obama, which sucks as B. Hussein’s was lifting us out of a very serious Repo-Con Crash, which created the Tea Party hypocrisy (considering BushCo. Had doubled the debt and Reagan had tripled it) and when times are good the debt should be paid DOWN. You Repo-Cons no longer care once again. spin that shit anyway you want obama nearly doubled the debt6. Now those stock gains are gone and we need even more deficit spending, especially since your hero mangled the covid-19 response so badly thousands more pro-life Americans will die in his personal pandemic genocide. wrong if it wasn't for his fast response to travelling to and from china more would be dead from this chinese disease...i would hate to see how bad it would have been under the last president7. More jobs were created under Obama in his last 3 years that Trump in his first three. more useless spin, i doubt the jobs were any real manufacturing jobs 8. The B. Hussein market vastly outperformed Trump’s and you don’t even know that. i have very rarely said anything about the stock market. although great i can make money no matter who is president as long as the economy is good. Remember obama said the new normal gdp growth rate was around 2.5 % what an idiot9. What you do know is a bunch of BS fed to you by your cult leader and his state media apparatchiks. If you didn’t suck so bad over your vote stealing fascist crapola I could almost feel sorry for you. i don't want to steal votes, i just think that when people recieve money from the govt they will vote to keep that money coming no matter how it will affect the country. So there you have it. The real truth, easily verifiable. Do you have a teenager in the house that knows how to google? So there you have it the truth is in the eye of the beholder. The difference is you rather try to belittle others that have a different point of view other than your own with snide little remarks. Your point about the travel ban couldn't be more wrong. Genetic analysis on the virus from the first cases in my area trace it to Washington. Travel ban would have made no difference. Once it arrived at our shore, the damage was done. We should have been preparing instead of calling it a hoax.
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Post by kadee79 on Apr 5, 2020 14:56:23 GMT -5
... i don't want to steal votes, i just think that when people recieve money from the govt they will vote to keep that money coming no matter how it will affect the country.... Using that as a criteria for taking people off the voting rolls, there are a lot more who shouldn't be allowed to vote. How about those who own stock in companies with government contracts? Let's not forget all the government welfare that gets collected by the oil industry, by farmers....and how many other large corporations. Talk about sucking off the government...… So many folks only want to look at a tiny part of the picture, not the entire thing. That doesn't work.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 5, 2020 17:52:06 GMT -5
Using that as a criteria for taking people off the voting rolls, there are a lot more who shouldn't be allowed to vote. How about those who own stock in companies with government contracts? Let's not forget all the government welfare that gets collected by the oil industry, by farmers....and how many other large corporations. Talk about sucking off the government...… So many folks only want to look at a tiny part of the picture, not the entire thing. That doesn't work. I think it was the poster ' Don't doubt me. EVER.' who said only land owners should be allowed to vote.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 5, 2020 18:04:13 GMT -5
Let's not forget all the government welfare that gets collected by the oil industry, by farmers....and how many other large corporations. Talk about sucking off the government...… So many folks only want to look at a tiny part of the picture, not the entire thing. That doesn't work. I think it was the poster ' Don't doubt me. EVER.' who said only land owners should be allowed to vote. you give him far too much credit. John Jay said that. (1777)
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Post by tallguy on Apr 5, 2020 18:07:46 GMT -5
I think it was the poster ' Don't doubt me. EVER.' who said only land owners should be allowed to vote. you give him far too much credit. John Jay said that. (1777) Hey, I'm good. And my GF could vote in three states!
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Post by dondub on Apr 5, 2020 18:52:31 GMT -5
you give him far too much credit. John Jay said that. (1777) Hey, I'm good. And my GF could vote in three states! Ummm, sorry. The women wouldn’t get to vote either.😎
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Post by ednkris on Apr 5, 2020 19:54:21 GMT -5
1. That is a bad thing why?....adds to the deficit and exposes they are not paying their fare share. They use our infrastructure, our publically educated work force, our military to protect their interests abroad. At 10% it’s not enough and only adds to the plutocratic and oligarchic society being created. That is horrible for the health of the republic. Corporations should not have to pay anymore than an individual2.I think it should be even lower...same as above. Deficits are only bad if they are under Obama. Otherwise no big deal let’s make them even bigger and really be hypocrites. I don't like them either, I never complained about obama until the left complained about Trump3. Their savings etc....the tax cuts were sold as a device to build plants, create jobs, raise worker pay. They chose to use it as THEY saw fit. Corporatists such as yourself find that ok they didn’t do what had been sold to get the tax cuts passed. Just more deficit. 4. Same as #3 I don't like the buy backs, but you can't tell me that none of the money did not go into business expansion5. What spin? It’s the real truth. The Tea Party created itself over Obama deficits, even though so much was stimulus to get us going after the crash. Bush doubled the debt and Reagan tripled it, all without a peep from the right. So spin that shit anyway you want, but Trump is well on his way to exceeding Obama, let me know when you care. Oh I care but i also see where Obama had 8 years to reduce the debt by at least 1 dollar --- he couldn't do it so I sure as hell not going to hold Trump to a higher standard than Obama set6. 430,000 flew in from China after the Chineses officials first warning Dec. 31st. 40,000 flew in the two months after what you called a “fast response”. Nothing about what Trump did regarding this virus was fast. But go ahead and spin that shit anyway you want. Obama would have done a far better job. Did he wait 3 mos, 6 mos like the last administration did with the h1n17. More useless spin.... it’s quite easy to look up the last 3 years of Obama job growth versus the first three of Trump. I suggest you do it sometime. Trump had more manufacturing jobs but Obama had more overall. Truth is Obama did very well in that arena and Trump built on that success. That you disparage Obama with you nasty little remarks is telling. Lets see manufacturing jobs or Burger King hummm 8. Obama GDP at 2.5%. What an idiot!... there you go again with your trash talk. Under Bush the GDP growth averaged 2.1%. Until now Trump, with the greatest economy the world has ever seen, had avg. 0.3 higher than Obama and Obama inherited the Repo-Con Crash which started him out much slower than the vibrant economy Trump inherited. Why the name calling? You have a man crush on Obama? I'm not trash talking that is what obama said the new normal was 2.5%. Not my words but his.9. I don’t want to steal votes....stop lying. It’s exactly what you have now said numerous times. It’s an extreme right wing fascist viewpoint that fits in nicely with your views on corporate taxation and hate of liberals. Look up the definition and educate yourself on that slippery slope you are on. You have clearly expressed an Un-American viewpoint. I think anyone that does that should not be allowed to vote!😜 I don't want to steal votes...but my opinion on liberals are pretty low So the “truth in the eye of the beholder” huh? Which truths are you beholden ednkris? More corporate wealth and control....check. Trash Obama every chance you get without clue one about his record...check. Support the removal of the right to vote from millions of Americans, especially seniors that have paid into SS their whole working lives, all on some subversive, specious edtruthnkris...check. You do all of this while vociferously calling for millions to be thrown off of the ACA thus creating another pandemic of death and destruction. Corporations should have wealth....there you go again with the ACA....was there huge pandemic of death and destruction befor the ACA....NO ....stop blowing hot air What kind of American person are you.... An honest one...more than i can say for most
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 5, 2020 20:04:14 GMT -5
Yes he did, try watching anything besides fox need
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 5, 2020 20:06:00 GMT -5
And that’s what you think the important part of the comment is? Try to read with some interest instead of talking points
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Post by ednkris on Apr 5, 2020 20:08:35 GMT -5
Yes he did, try watching anything besides fox need Well when did he say it? From everything i read...Trump said that the democrats criticizing him on his response is their new hoax....That is a world of difference than saying the illness is a hoax.
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Post by ednkris on Apr 5, 2020 20:11:55 GMT -5
And that’s what you think the important part of the comment is? Try to read with some interest instead of talking points If you don't want a response then don't post
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 5, 2020 20:17:00 GMT -5
And that’s what you think the important part of the comment is? Try to read with some interest instead of talking points If you don't want a response then don't post Actually looking for an intelligent response, but apparently that’s too much to ask of you
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Post by ednkris on Apr 5, 2020 20:20:07 GMT -5
If you don't want a response then don't post Actually looking for an intelligent response, but apparently that’s too much to ask of you why so hostile?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 5, 2020 20:29:28 GMT -5
Actually looking for an intelligent response, but apparently that’s too much to ask of you why so hostile? I’m not, you are not serious, you cherry picked what you wanted to defend our idiot president, but ignored something that refuted the point you tried to make. Typical of your nonsensical postings
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 5, 2020 20:33:51 GMT -5
Yes he did, try watching anything besides fox need Well when did he say it? From everything i read...Trump said that the democrats criticizing him on his response is their new hoax....That is a world of difference than saying the illness is a hoax. I SAW and I HEARD him say “It is their new hoax” 2/28/2020
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 5, 2020 20:45:35 GMT -5
8. The B. Hussein market vastly outperformed Trump’s and you don’t even know that. i have very rarely said anything about the stock market. although great i can make money no matter who is president as long as the economy is good. Remember obama said the new normal gdp growth rate was around 2.5 % what an idiot
and Trump said he could do 3-4%, and has failed to do so.
he is also an idiot.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 5, 2020 20:55:00 GMT -5
Yes he did, try watching anything besides fox need Well when did he say it? From everything i read...Trump said that the democrats criticizing him on his response is their new hoax....That is a world of difference than saying the illness is a hoax. 2/28/20. South Carolina:
One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We have 15 people in this massive country and because of the fact that we went early. We went early, we could have had a lot more than that. We’re doing great. Our country is doing so great. We are so unified. We are so unified. The Republican party has never ever been unified like it is now. There has never been a movement in the history of our country like we have now. Never been a movement. So a statistic that we want to talk about, go ahead. Say USA. It’s okay. USA. So a number that nobody heard of, that I heard of recently and I was shocked to hear it, 35,000 people on average die each year from the flu. Did anyone know that? 35,000, that’s a lot of people. It could go to 100,000, it could be 27,000. They say usually a minimum of 27, goes up to 100,000 people a year die. And so far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States. Nobody. And it doesn’t mean we won’t and we are totally prepared. It doesn’t mean we won’t, but think of it. You hear 35 and 40,000 people and we’ve lost nobody and you wonder the press is in hysteria mode. CNN fake news and the camera just went off, the camera. The camera just went off. Turn it back on. Hey, by the way, hold it. Look at this, and honestly, all events are like this. It’s about us. It’s all about us. I wish they’d take the camera, show the arena please. They never do. They never do. They never do it. They never show the arena. You can hear it because when you hear it, that’s not 200 people. That’s not a hundred people. That’s thousands and thousands of people including people outside. You can hear it. They always show my face. See that face? They show my face. I want them to show the arena, not my face, right? How many have you been to? How many rallies have you gone?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 5, 2020 20:56:27 GMT -5
we were not totally prepared. we weren't even slightly prepared.
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Post by swamp on Apr 6, 2020 12:36:04 GMT -5
Silly, that's fake news. Nobody saw this coming. Except Trump. Because he's a stable genius. And that pandemic response team was part of the deep state. They needed to be gone. Drain the swamp!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 6, 2020 14:49:31 GMT -5
actually, I think the best way to frame this is that Trump is one of the few that did NOT see this coming.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 6, 2020 16:19:01 GMT -5
trump clicked his ruby-red slippers three times and tried to wish it away.
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Post by dondub on Apr 6, 2020 16:25:18 GMT -5
1. That is a bad thing why?....adds to the deficit and exposes they are not paying their fare share. They use our infrastructure, our publically educated work force, our military to protect their interests abroad. At 10% it’s not enough and only adds to the plutocratic and oligarchic society being created. That is horrible for the health of the republic. Corporations should not have to pay anymore than an individual Considering the average corp. rate paid BEFORE the tax cuts was 16% and so many, such as juggernaut Amazon pay -0-, I would agree. I want corps. to pay the same percentage that I do after all corporate welfare has been removed from their balance sheet. SWEET! 2.I think it should be even lower...same as above. Deficits are only bad if they are under Obama. Otherwise no big deal let’s make them even bigger and really be hypocrites. I don't like them either, I never complained about obama until the left complained about Trump As an "honest American" I appreciate you admitting your neener neener. 3. Their savings etc....the tax cuts were sold as a device to build plants, create jobs, raise worker pay. They chose to use it as THEY saw fit. Corporatists such as yourself find that ok they didn’t do what had been sold to get the tax cuts passed. Just more deficit. 4. Same as #3 I don't like the buy backs, but you can't tell me that none of the money did not go into business expansion Very little instead of a lot. There has still been manufacturing outsourcing under trump. Perhaps the idiot should have held their feet to the fire. But please feel free to find 3 companies that have done some serious expansion using the tax saving.5. What spin? It’s the real truth. The Tea Party created itself over Obama deficits, even though so much was stimulus to get us going after the crash. Bush doubled the debt and Reagan tripled it, all without a peep from the right. So spin that shit anyway you want, but Trump is well on his way to exceeding Obama, let me know when you care. Oh I care but i also see where Obama had 8 years to reduce the debt by at least 1 dollar --- he couldn't do it so I sure as hell not going to hold Trump to a higher standard than Obama set. You are quite aware, well maybe not, that Obama's hands were tied by the Repo-Con Crash he inherited from BushCo. Revenues were way down and we needed spending and to put the cost of the phony wars on the books. That and all else baked into the cake gave us deficits yes.But when times are bad you deficit spend. When you have the greatest economy in the history of the universe you A. don't cut taxes and B. you decrease spending and c. pay the debt down. Trump was an idiot on economics.
6. 430,000 flew in from China after the Chineses officials first warning Dec. 31st. 40,000 flew in the two months after what you called a “fast response”. Nothing about what Trump did regarding this virus was fast. But go ahead and spin that shit anyway you want. Obama would have done a far better job. Did he wait 3 mos, 6 mos like the last administration did with the h1n1 Very early Obama called it a national health emergency. When it got worse he ramped it up. Well played. And I don't recall the impact anywhere near where we are now and where the numbers will be when this is over. But what Obama did is old news. We should be much more concerned about this Pootus as he is running for re-election. Big difference vs. past history.7. More useless spin.... it’s quite easy to look up the last 3 years of Obama job growth versus the first three of Trump. I suggest you do it sometime. Trump had more manufacturing jobs but Obama had more overall. Truth is Obama did very well in that arena and Trump built on that success. That you disparage Obama with you nasty little remarks is telling. Lets see manufacturing jobs or Burger King hummm Not only were there manufacturing jobs created under Obama, his stimulus spending, especially bailing out the auto industry, saved 200,000+ manufacturing jobs. You can give him credit now as you are an Honest American.8. Obama GDP at 2.5%. What an idiot!... there you go again with your trash talk. Under Bush the GDP growth averaged 2.1%. Until now Trump, with the greatest economy the world has ever seen, had avg. 0.3 higher than Obama and Obama inherited the Repo-Con Crash which started him out much slower than the vibrant economy Trump inherited. Why the name calling? You have a man crush on Obama? I'm not trash talking that is what obama said the new normal was 2.5%. Not my words but his. What name calling? Yours referring to Obama as an idiot? That's all I see ed. And as I posted earlier the desired range for GDP growth is 2-3%. So 2.5% is a righteous number for those that understand arithmetic. BushCo. has 2.1% average for his 8 years. Where do you think Trump will be Dec. 31st? In the meantime through 2019 he was 0.3 higher thajn Obama who inherited a crashed economy versus what Obama tunred over to Trump. Be an Honest American on all of that.9. I don’t want to steal votes....stop lying. It’s exactly what you have now said numerous times. It’s an extreme right wing fascist viewpoint that fits in nicely with your views on corporate taxation and hate of liberals. Look up the definition and educate yourself on that slippery slope you are on. You have clearly expressed an Un-American viewpoint. I think anyone that does that should not be allowed to vote!😜 I don't want to steal votes...but my opinion on liberals are pretty low Steal is not the right word for taking away someone's right to vote? What word would you prefer? here are some choices: Choose the Right Synonym for steal
Verb
STEAL, PILFER, FILCH, PURLOIN mean to take from another without right or without detection. STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things. steal jewels stole a look at the gifts PILFER implies stealing repeatedly in small amounts. pilfered from his employer FILCH adds a suggestion of snatching quickly and surreptitiously. filched an apple from the tray PURLOIN stresses removing or carrying off for one's own use or purposes. So the “truth in the eye of the beholder” huh? Which truths are you beholden ednkris? More corporate wealth and control....check. Trash Obama every chance you get without clue one about his record...check. Support the removal of the right to vote from millions of Americans, especially seniors that have paid into SS their whole working lives, all on some subversive, specious edtruthnkris...check. You do all of this while vociferously calling for millions to be thrown off of the ACA thus creating another pandemic of death and destruction. Corporations should have wealth....there you go again with the ACA....was there huge pandemic of death and destruction befor the ACA....NO ....stop blowing hot air Yes there was ed and I referred you to the Harvard peer reviewed study. When 47 million Americans had no insurance 40,000+ died every year. So over a ten year period that's 400,000. Does that qualify? What hot air Mr. Pro Death? An Honest American would accept the truth of what happens when you throw 20 million+ off the ACA for your 'just because reason'. What kind of American person are you.... An honest one...more than i can say for most That is an incredibly dishonest statement...you don't know "most" Americans. And from what i can see, the main one on this board may have been expunged last week.
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Post by ednkris on Apr 12, 2020 11:54:11 GMT -5
Well when did he say it? From everything i read...Trump said that the democrats criticizing him on his response is their new hoax....That is a world of difference than saying the illness is a hoax. I SAW and I HEARD him say “It is their new hoax” 2/28/2020 Thank you for proving my point he didn't say the illness was a hoax. He said it was their new hoax....as in something to use against him. But like everything he does he does greatly including handling this pandemic like starting with this pandemic by closing down travelling to China. After all they are the ones to blame for all this suffering
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 12, 2020 11:56:43 GMT -5
I SAW and I HEARD him say “It is their new hoax” 2/28/2020 Thank you for proving my point he didn't say the illness was a hoax. He said it was their new hoax....as in something to use against him. But like everything he does he does greatly including handling this pandemic like starting with this pandemic by closing down travelling to China. After all they are the ones to blame for all this suffering Splitting hairs I see. When do you believe thatHE took it seriously, because he sure as hell did not until recently based on the federal response.
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Post by ednkris on Apr 12, 2020 11:59:17 GMT -5
Thank you for proving my point he didn't say the illness was a hoax. He said it was their new hoax....as in something to use against him. But like everything he does he does greatly including handling this pandemic like starting with this pandemic by closing down travelling to China. After all they are the ones to blame for all this suffering Splitting hairs I see. When do you believe thatHE took it seriously, because he sure as hell did not until recently based on the federal response. i don't think anyone took it seriously until around February...maybe a few states here or there. Not many
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 12, 2020 12:02:53 GMT -5
Splitting hairs I see. When do you believe thatHE took it seriously, because he sure as hell did not until recently based on the federal response. i don't think anyone took it seriously until around February...maybe a few states here or there. Not many When did trump take it seriously. He is the one in charge, remember?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 12, 2020 20:45:33 GMT -5
I SAW and I HEARD him say “It is their new hoax” 2/28/2020 Thank you for proving my point he didn't say the illness was a hoax. He said it was their new hoax....as in something to use against him. But like everything he does he does greatly including handling this pandemic like starting with this pandemic by closing down travelling to China. After all they are the ones to blame for all this suffering So it depends on what you mean by “It”... Getting a bit desperate, don’t you think
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 12, 2020 20:49:52 GMT -5
Splitting hairs I see. When do you believe thatHE took it seriously, because he sure as hell did not until recently based on the federal response. i don't think anyone took it seriously until around February...maybe a few states here or there. Not many trump did not declare a national emergency until March 13. After 37 people had died.
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