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Post by Opti on Apr 30, 2020 13:20:45 GMT -5
I find these conspiracy theories kind of funny. It basically says neither Trump nor his supporters believe he can handle a pandemic correctly.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 30, 2020 13:31:32 GMT -5
I find these conspiracy theories kind of funny. It basically says neither Trump nor his supporters believe he can handle a pandemic correctly. True. If he was a great leader, this would have made him more popular. W had like 90% approval ratings after 9-11. Maybe Russia released it to **help** Trump, and are shocked he blew it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 1, 2020 20:16:12 GMT -5
no end in sight....unfortunately.
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Post by dondub on May 4, 2020 11:30:17 GMT -5
69,008 @ 9:30am PDT 5/4.
Has the death toll slowed a bit?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 11:41:13 GMT -5
69,008 @ 9:30am PDT 5/4. Has the death toll slowed a bit? Weekend. Will know better tomorrow
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Post by tallguy on May 4, 2020 11:41:51 GMT -5
69,008 @ 9:30am PDT 5/4. Has the death toll slowed a bit? Of course not. Even internal documents for the Trump administration show that things are expected to get much worse.
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Post by dondub on May 4, 2020 11:46:29 GMT -5
69,008 @ 9:30am PDT 5/4. Has the death toll slowed a bit? Of course not. Even internal documents for the Trump administration show that things are expected to get much worse. Well that surely answers my question. Yikes!
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 11:50:03 GMT -5
Of course not. Even internal documents for the Trump administration show that things are expected to get much worse. Well that surely answers my question. Yikes! No wonder he is keeping that secret. We are going for 200K. MAGA
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Post by dondub on May 4, 2020 12:38:49 GMT -5
Well that surely answers my question. Yikes! No wonder he is keeping that secret. We are going for 200K. MAGA Have you noticed though his current schtick that his actions are saving 1.5 million lives because he claims ‘they’ said up to 2 million would die? Just selling the con as usual.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 12:39:45 GMT -5
No wonder he is keeping that secret. We are going for 200K. MAGA Have you noticed though his current schtick that his actions are saving 1.5 million lives because he claims ‘they’ said up to 2 million would die? Just selling the con as usual. Give him time, I am sure he will overachieve if we re-elect him
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Post by haapai on May 4, 2020 15:35:26 GMT -5
69,008 @ 9:30am PDT 5/4. Has the death toll slowed a bit? In my state, no, and I don't understand what is going on. Michigan got hit early and hard. Our new cases peaked before New York's, but the death toll (7-day rounding to flatten out the weekly bumps and troughs) hasn't dropped much at all. This is strange because our new case count has been declining even as we perform more tests per day.
I'm almost afraid to go looking for an explanation. Did we put hundreds or thousands of people on ventilators that they wouldn't leave alive? Has the disease invaded our elder-care facilities and churned out new cases and new deaths simultaneously? Has the disease taken root among our essential workers and become impervious to the emergency measures that we have taken? Has the disease found a purchase in families that cannot distance themselves from each other and burning through them?
I don't know what to think while folks deplore the premature end of a lock-down somewhere else. My state is still locked-down and the death toll hasn't slacked a bit. What the hell is going on?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 15:44:52 GMT -5
69,008 @ 9:30am PDT 5/4. Has the death toll slowed a bit? In my state, no, and I don't understand what is going on. Michigan got hit early and hard. Our new cases peaked before New York's, but the death toll (7-day rounding to flatten out the weekly bumps and troughs) hasn't dropped much at all. This is strange because our new case count has been declining even as we perform more tests per day.
I'm almost afraid to go looking for an explanation. Did we put hundreds or thousands of people on ventilators that they wouldn't leave alive? Has the disease invaded our elder-care facilities and churned out new cases and new deaths simultaneously? Has the disease taken root among our essential workers and become impervious to the emergency measures that we have taken? Has the disease found a purchase in families that cannot distance themselves from each other and burning through them?
I don't know what to think while folks deplore the premature end of a lock-down somewhere else. My state is still locked-down and the death toll hasn't slacked a bit. What the hell is going on?
Deaths really lag with this disease. We have had quite a few patients on ventilators for weeks, average time to get someone off has been about 2 weeks. So, even if cases level off, the patients in ICU, and those severely ill continues to rise until cases have tapered off enough to not have the severely ill numbers go up. Then those severely ill numbers will decline slowly, either because they finally got better, or they dies. If you look at how long deaths stayed up, even as the infection seemed to be slowing in Italy and Spain, and as we are seeing in NY, you can expect to see a very slow decline over a period of weeks. That is why it is not a number to follow from a decision making point of view. I still think that hospitalizations is still the best number to follow.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 4, 2020 16:05:39 GMT -5
Well that surely answers my question. Yikes! No wonder he is keeping that secret. We are going for 200K. MAGA White House prohibits coronavirus task force members from testifying before Congress in MayWhite House coronavirus task force members are prohibited from testifying before Congress this month under new guidance issued by the Trump administration Monday. Task force members and key deputies have been instructed not to accept invitations to participate in congressional hearings in May, while other agencies responding to the pandemic are being advised to limit the number of hearings they attend. Top administration officials argue the coronavirus task force and the primary agencies responding to the pandemic need to focus their attention and resources on response efforts, and that having them testify could use up critical hours. “We’re telling agencies that during this unprecedented time our resources need to be dedicated toward the coronavirus. At this stage we really need everybody manning their stations and prioritizing coronavirus response work,” a senior administration official told The Hill. White House prohibits coronavirus task force members from testifying before Congress in MayYet trump made these same task force members stand around doing nothing during his never ending pity party pressers.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 16:09:13 GMT -5
No wonder he is keeping that secret. We are going for 200K. MAGA White House prohibits coronavirus task force members from testifying before Congress in MayWhite House coronavirus task force members are prohibited from testifying before Congress this month under new guidance issued by the Trump administration Monday. Task force members and key deputies have been instructed not to accept invitations to participate in congressional hearings in May, while other agencies responding to the pandemic are being advised to limit the number of hearings they attend. Top administration officials argue the coronavirus task force and the primary agencies responding to the pandemic need to focus their attention and resources on response efforts, and that having them testify could use up critical hours. “We’re telling agencies that during this unprecedented time our resources need to be dedicated toward the coronavirus. At this stage we really need everybody manning their stations and prioritizing coronavirus response work,” a senior administration official told The Hill. White House prohibits coronavirus task force members from testifying before Congress in MayYet trump made these same task force members stand around doing nothing during his never ending pity party pressers. Not sure what they have to do. He left it all up to the states. Since we are paying their salaries, they might as well do some work. Although, it must be quite busy to be this incompetent.
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Post by Tiny on May 4, 2020 16:18:23 GMT -5
and now Trump has upped the number expected to die - 75K to 100K (I'm assuming he means we reach those numbers in the next month or two... versus that's how many total would die...) www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/coronavirus-live-updates-trump-administration-models-predict-near-doubling-of-daily-death-toll-by-june/ar-BB13zfhE?li=BBnb7KzThis article is saying 3K deaths per day by June... I'm guessing this old people (who were gonna die anyway) who maybe aren't in a facility - but are rather at home in rural America - (and they were gonna die anyway, too). As well as some 'regular' everyday people - because the virus will be widespread by then (as in millions will have it. so regular people will start dying from it in greater numbers. ) ::sigh:: I think we will hit 70K deaths today 5/4/2020.... so about 10K deaths in about 7 days. And the infection rate remains the same (in some areas) and rising in others. Yay! America! We're number one! MAGA!
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Post by weltschmerz on May 4, 2020 16:44:33 GMT -5
The world comes together for a virtual vaccine summit. The U.S. is conspicuously absent. The world comes together for a virtual vaccine summit. The U.S. is conspicuously absent. Public health officials and researchers expressed surprise. “It’s the first time that I can think of where you have had a major international pledging conference for a global crisis of this kind of importance and the U.S. is just absent,” said Jeremy Konyndyk, who worked on the Ebola response in the Obama administration. Given that no one knows which vaccines will succeed, he said, it’s crucial to back multiple efforts working in parallel. “Against that kind of uncertainty we should be trying to position ourselves to be supporting — and potentially benefiting from — all of them,” said Konyndyk, a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development. “And instead we seem to be just focused on trying to win the race, in the hopes we happen to get one of the successful ones.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-world-comes-together-for-a-virtual-vaccine-summit-the-us-is-conspicuously-absent/ar-BB13AE4p?li=BBnbfcL
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Post by Tennesseer on May 4, 2020 16:55:07 GMT -5
The world comes together for a virtual vaccine summit. The U.S. is conspicuously absent. Public health officials and researchers expressed surprise. “It’s the first time that I can think of where you have had a major international pledging conference for a global crisis of this kind of importance and the U.S. is just absent,” said Jeremy Konyndyk, who worked on the Ebola response in the Obama administration. Given that no one knows which vaccines will succeed, he said, it’s crucial to back multiple efforts working in parallel. “Against that kind of uncertainty we should be trying to position ourselves to be supporting — and potentially benefiting from — all of them,” said Konyndyk, a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development. “And instead we seem to be just focused on trying to win the race, in the hopes we happen to get one of the successful ones.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-world-comes-together-for-a-virtual-vaccine-summit-the-us-is-conspicuously-absent/ar-BB13AE4p?li=BBnbfcL
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2020 18:14:32 GMT -5
the original projections for 60-70k were probably about right, if we had done a federal lockdown.
so, as of tomorrow, every person that dies, we can charge off to a failed federal response.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2020 18:17:44 GMT -5
And you start a thread about trump! You're right: little has changed. There is simply too many threads to argue my point on the issue of whether President Trump emjoys the backing of Americans on this issue. The first page of the new thread list shows this board does not support that fact. The board does not reflect the true feelings of America. is there some old white dude named America? because his polling on this is very similar to his overall approval:
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/
edit: in the GOP echochamber, America approves. everywhere else, they don't.
#truefeelings
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Post by NastyWoman on May 5, 2020 13:20:43 GMT -5
Deaths really lag with this disease. We have had quite a few patients on ventilators for weeks, average time to get someone off has been about 2 weeks. So, even if cases level off, the patients in ICU, and those severely ill continues to rise until cases have tapered off enough to not have the severely ill numbers go up. Then those severely ill numbers will decline slowly, either because they finally got better, or they dies. If you look at how long deaths stayed up, even as the infection seemed to be slowing in Italy and Spain, and as we are seeing in NY, you can expect to see a very slow decline over a period of weeks. That is why it is not a number to follow from a decision making point of view. I still think that hospitalizations is still the best number to follow.pulmonarymd I have been following the statistics for my county specifically (here: www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard.aspx) and our total hospitalization has been going down but slowly. I have tried to interpret the numbers by going: ok we have x new cases (+), y people died (-), and total hospitalized went down by z (-), and calculated the delta hospitalization that way. My question that you may be able to answer is, would hospitalization indicators change as the outbreak is lessening or not? Or is that just fooling myself into thinking that things might be better than they are?
We have never seen the supply shortages like NYC here, though I have no doubt that the fact that we were the first region in the US to shut down (SIP) has a lot to do with that.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 5, 2020 13:26:05 GMT -5
Deaths really lag with this disease. We have had quite a few patients on ventilators for weeks, average time to get someone off has been about 2 weeks. So, even if cases level off, the patients in ICU, and those severely ill continues to rise until cases have tapered off enough to not have the severely ill numbers go up. Then those severely ill numbers will decline slowly, either because they finally got better, or they dies. If you look at how long deaths stayed up, even as the infection seemed to be slowing in Italy and Spain, and as we are seeing in NY, you can expect to see a very slow decline over a period of weeks. That is why it is not a number to follow from a decision making point of view. I still think that hospitalizations is still the best number to follow.pulmonarymd I have been following the statistics for my county specifically (here: www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard.aspx) and our total hospitalization has been going down but slowly. I have tried to interpret the numbers by going: ok we have x new cases (+), y people died (-), and total hospitalized went down by z (-), and calculated the delta hospitalization that way. My question that you may be able to answer is, would hospitalization indicators change as the outbreak is lessening or not? Or is that just fooling myself into thinking that things might be better than they are?
We have never seen the supply shortages like NYC here, though I have no doubt that the fact that we were the first region in the US to shut down (SIP) has a lot to do with that.
The estimate is that about 20% of cases need hospitalizations. So for number of hospitalized to go down, the number of admitted patients is less than the number of discharges/death. Since patients can be hospitalized for a while, the numbers increase fast, but decrease slowly. Decreases in hospitalizations are a good sign, since those cases are definitely being tested, and the number is more stable, and less dependent on the overall number off tests. So, yes, if hospitalizations are falling, I would take that as a good sign.
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Produced by Kellyanne Conway's husband George and his group:
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Post by weltschmerz on May 6, 2020 17:02:22 GMT -5
As two former US Senate majority leaders, we didn't always see eye to eye during our time together in Congress, but today, we certainly agree on at least two things: America must lead the rest of the world to defeat Covid-19. And if we take our eye off the ball, China will try to exploit this crisis to its own gain. www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/opinions/covid-19-fight-against-coronavirus-us-daschle-frist/index.htmlWait...what? America? The country which has 4.4% of the global population, but one third of all the corona cases and 73,000 deaths? The country whose leader said it will disappear like magic? The country whose leader went on TV every day and lied through his teeth? The country which refused to participate in the global vaccination summit? The country whose leader pushed an ineffective drug? The country whose leader suggested bleach and light shoved into your body should cure it? The country whose leaders refuse to wear masks? The country which shamelessly stole PPE equipment from allies? The country whose leaders hoarded the masks and gloves for their own personal use? That America?
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Sure...let America "lead the world to defeat Covid-19." Trump administration rejects CDC guidance on reopening US amid coronavirus The Trump administration will not implement the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's 17-page draft recommendation for reopening America, a senior CDC official confirmed to CNN Thursday. The guidance provided more detailed suggestions beyond the reopening guidelines the administration had put forth last month, including specific suggestions for schools and churches. President Donald Trump in recent days has emphasized the need to quickly reopen the American economy despite public health officials' urgings for a more cautious approach. www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/cdc-guidance-coronavirus-reopen-america/index.html
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This troubles me. Why keep information from the public, the public trump is supposed to protect. Trump isn't pro-life.; just pro-lifestyle. Trump tightens grip on coronavirus information as he pushes to restart the economyPresident Trump in recent weeks has sought to block or downplay information about the severity of the coronavirus pandemic as he urges a return to normalcy and the rekindling of an economy that has been devastated by public health restrictions aimed at mitigating the outbreak. His administration has sidelined or replaced officials not seen as loyal, rebuffed congressional requests for testimony, dismissed jarring statistics and models ,praised states for reopening without meeting White House guidelines and, briefly, pushed to disband a task force created to combat the virus and communicate about the public health crisis. Several Republican governors are following Trump’s lead as an effort takes shape to control the narrative about a pandemic that has continued to rage throughout a quickly reopening country. With polls showing most consumers still afraid to venture out of their homes, the Trump administration has intensified its efforts to soothe some of those fears through a messaging campaign that relies on tightly controlling information about a virus that has proven stubbornly difficult to contain. “If the message were to go out with complete objectivity, it would be disastrous for Trump,” said Max Skidmore, a political science professor at the University of Missouri at Kansas City and the author of a book on presidential responses to pandemics. “So he is doing his best to prevent experts from speaking out or using their expertise, and he’s simply trying to divert attention.” Complete article here: Trump tightens grip on coronavirus information as he pushes to restart the economy
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This troubles me. Why keep information from the public, the public trump is supposed to protect. Trump isn't pro-life.; just pro-lifestyle. Trump tightens grip on coronavirus information as he pushes to restart the economyPresident Trump in recent weeks has sought to block or downplay information about the severity of the coronavirus pandemic as he urges a return to normalcy and the rekindling of an economy that has been devastated by public health restrictions aimed at mitigating the outbreak. His administration has sidelined or replaced officials not seen as loyal, rebuffed congressional requests for testimony, dismissed jarring statistics and models ,praised states for reopening without meeting White House guidelines and, briefly, pushed to disband a task force created to combat the virus and communicate about the public health crisis. Several Republican governors are following Trump’s lead as an effort takes shape to control the narrative about a pandemic that has continued to rage throughout a quickly reopening country. With polls showing most consumers still afraid to venture out of their homes, the Trump administration has intensified its efforts to soothe some of those fears through a messaging campaign that relies on tightly controlling information about a virus that has proven stubbornly difficult to contain. “If the message were to go out with complete objectivity, it would be disastrous for Trump,” said Max Skidmore, a political science professor at the University of Missouri at Kansas City and the author of a book on presidential responses to pandemics. “So he is doing his best to prevent experts from speaking out or using their expertise, and he’s simply trying to divert attention.” Complete article here: Trump tightens grip on coronavirus information as he pushes to restart the economyDid you see the presser where trump jumped on a nurse who said there were still pope shortages? It’s Orwellian. State things as you want them to be, not how they are, and violently suppress anyone talking facts. Another example- experts are talking about a prolonged recession while trump insists that by next year our economy will be better than its ever been. It’s terrifying. Our only hope is he gets voted out of office and someone with experience running a government and being truthful replaces him.
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