pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,368
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 19, 2020 9:54:38 GMT -5
When he explains his decision making, then we will know. I haven’t heard one yet. The rest of the world seems to be doing ok with the WHO tests. What reason would you find acceptable? Accuracy % . Well it didn’t need to be 100% accurate to be helpful. And again, the rest of the world seems to be doing ok. FYI, the rapid influenza test is only 50-60% accurate. Maybe that should not be used
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 6:12:10 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 9:59:08 GMT -5
. Well it didn’t need to be 100% accurate to be helpful. And again, the rest of the world seems to be doing ok. FYI, the rapid influenza test is only 50-60% accurate. Maybe that should not be used Maybe anything.
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,368
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 19, 2020 10:00:48 GMT -5
. Well it didn’t need to be 100% accurate to be helpful. And again, the rest of the world seems to be doing ok. FYI, the rapid influenza test is only 50-60% accurate. Maybe that should not be used Maybe anything. Well that was helpful. You are the one who brought up accuracy. Just giving you an example. Is having a rapid influenza test with that accuracy helpful or not?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 6:12:10 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 10:08:19 GMT -5
Well that was helpful. You are the one who brought up accuracy. Just giving you an example. Is having a rapid influenza test with that accuracy helpful or not? I was answering your question. Never made any claims on it being helpful. (Your premise) You seem rather used to people just following your change of topic. Not all are followers. I was a little or disappointed when you did not have the accuracy %, but still were making claims on Trumps decision process. Or more simpler, your deflection to the flu rapid test wasn't successful.
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 19, 2020 10:17:32 GMT -5
South Korea used the WHO kits. South Korea has tested over a quarter million people. That has made it possible to identify and isolate the asymptomatic before they can infect others. South Korea is sucessfully controlling the pandemic. So what was wrong with the WHO kits? Not made in the USA (where the first batch was faulty) Coronavirus cases have dropped sharply in South Korea. What’s the secret to its success? Amid these dire trends, South Korea has emerged as a sign of hope and a model to emulate. The country of 50 million appears to have greatly slowed its epidemic; it reported only 74 new cases today, down from 909 at its peak on 29 February. And it has done so without locking down entire cities or taking some of the other authoritarian measures that helped China bring its epidemic under control. www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/coronavirus-cases-have-dropped-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,368
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 19, 2020 10:24:53 GMT -5
Well that was helpful. You are the one who brought up accuracy. Just giving you an example. Is having a rapid influenza test with that accuracy helpful or not? I was answering your question. Never made any claims on it being helpful. (Your premise) You seem rather used to people just following your change of topic. Not all are followers. I was a little or disappointed when you did not have the accuracy %, but still were making claims on Trumps decision process. Or more simpler, your deflection to the flu rapid test wasn't successful. Not deflection, just comparing it to a widely used test. If that test is acceptable, then why wouldn’t a similar Coronavirus test. In addition, you keep ignoring other countries use. Are we so special that we can’t use the same test?
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,086
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 19, 2020 11:32:18 GMT -5
the US now has the 5th most active cases of any country, ahead of China and South Korea.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2020 12:10:58 GMT -5
I like setting time aside for the seniors. But does it have to be between 0600-0700 like some chains? I'm not really awake until much later in the morning. I get it can't be in the middle of the day for seniors only to shop but how about opening up mid-morning instead of at the very crack of dawn. Early bird gets the worm. I'm up at 4/5 AM everyday, a morning person. If you can't get up, you're not that hungry. I'm more the 'Early Bird' afternoon restaurant specials type of person.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,436
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 19, 2020 12:14:20 GMT -5
I like setting time aside for the seniors. But does it have to be between 0600-0700 like some chains? I'm not really awake until much later in the morning. I get it can't be in the middle of the day for seniors only to shop but how about opening up mid-morning instead of at the very crack of dawn. Early bird gets the worm. I'm up at 4/5 AM everyday, a morning person. If you can't get up, you're not that hungry. That's the worst way to food shop: when you're hungry. You go to the store with a list containing five items. You leave the store having purchased 25 items-impulse buying.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,393
|
Post by thyme4change on Mar 19, 2020 13:03:32 GMT -5
Early bird gets the worm. I'm up at 4/5 AM everyday, a morning person. If you can't get up, you're not that hungry. That's the worst way to food shop: when you're hungry. You go to the store with a list containing five items. You leave the store having purchased 25 items-impulse buying. When I go hungry, I come home with food. When I go not hungry, I decide things on my list don't look good and buy shampoo and candles instead.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 6:12:10 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 9:33:28 GMT -5
I was answering your question. Never made any claims on it being helpful. (Your premise) You seem rather used to people just following your change of topic. Not all are followers. I was a little or disappointed when you did not have the accuracy %, but still were making claims on Trumps decision process. Or more simpler, your deflection to the flu rapid test wasn't successful. Not deflection, just comparing it to a widely used test. If that test is acceptable, then why wouldn’t a similar Coronavirus test. In addition, you keep ignoring other countries use. Are we so special that we can’t use the same test? I don't know, are we ? My example; Large watercraft have a device called an overflow restrictor on their fuel tanks right where the line leaves the tank. It stops a gravity feed fuel flow if there is a leak farther aft of the tank (s). The ones made in the US cost three times from ones imported. The quality is much higher to justify the cost. Not exactly a high price item, but all closed bilged inboard cruisers use them. Since gasoline vapor is heavier than normal atmosphere, it gathers under the decking creating a huge fuel air bomb waiting for a cell phone ignition, or the fridge to turn on etc. Your out with family and friends for a weekend trip, which would you use ? The rest of the world supplies their own. This example isn't a 'similar' test, but a same device. One meets the pressure/flowrequirements, one exceeds them. What would be your choice ? Would you feel special for choosing the more expensive one ?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 6:12:10 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 9:36:07 GMT -5
Early bird gets the worm. I'm up at 4/5 AM everyday, a morning person. If you can't get up, you're not that hungry. That's the worst way to food shop: when you're hungry. You go to the store with a list containing five items. You leave the store having purchased 25 items-impulse buying. Been there, lol.
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Mar 20, 2020 10:00:53 GMT -5
When he explains his decision making, then we will know. I haven’t heard one yet. The rest of the world seems to be doing ok with the WHO tests. What reason would you find acceptable? Accuracy % Nope. Actually, it was because the US has always preferred to let the CDC develop its own tests. The CDC did so; however, there was a fault in the manufacturing process that rendered the test useless and put us even further behind. Quite a few countries developed their own tests. The one from WHO was developed in Germany. China uses their own.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 6:12:10 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 10:07:44 GMT -5
Nope. Actually, it was because the US has always preferred to let the CDC develop its own tests. The CDC did so; however, there was a fault in the manufacturing process that rendered the test useless and put us even further behind. Quite a few countries developed their own tests. The one from WHO was developed in Germany. China uses their own. PMD was asking what 'I' would find acceptable. Accuracy % was my answer. I don't know what your ' nope' and rest of your post is in context to. I made no claims of one being better than another.
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Mar 20, 2020 10:15:29 GMT -5
Nope. Actually, it was because the US has always preferred to let the CDC develop its own tests. The CDC did so; however, there was a fault in the manufacturing process that rendered the test useless and put us even further behind. Quite a few countries developed their own tests. The one from WHO was developed in Germany. China uses their own. PMD was asking what 'I' would find acceptable. Accuracy % was my answer. I don't know what your ' nope' and rest of your post is in context to. I made no claims of one being better than another. My mistake. I misread the posts. In my defense, I'm endeavoring to read and post while simultaneously avoiding a traveling cat's tail.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 6:12:10 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 10:20:15 GMT -5
PMD was asking what 'I' would find acceptable. Accuracy % was my answer. I don't know what your ' nope' and rest of your post is in context to. I made no claims of one being better than another. My mistake. I misread the posts. In my defense, I'm endeavoring to read and post while simultaneously avoiding a traveling cat's tail. Lol, that's funny ! Our new cat is a Maine coon cat, about one year old. It's very affectionate and has a 'lot' of tail. He loves to flip it up into my face.
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Mar 20, 2020 10:34:39 GMT -5
My own private demon is a Siamese, @x. She's got a tail like a whip and it's longer than she is. A right pain in the arse to dodge and rather painful if she achieves a "hit".
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,368
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 20, 2020 11:36:59 GMT -5
PMD was asking what 'I' would find acceptable. Accuracy % was my answer. I don't know what your ' nope' and rest of your post is in context to. I made no claims of one being better than another. My mistake. I misread the posts. In my defense, I'm endeavoring to read and post while simultaneously avoiding a traveling cat's tail. Ok, so the influenza test is 50-60% accurate. We use that everyday. In comparison to that test, how accurate does a coronavirus test need to be to use it in this situation
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,368
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 20, 2020 11:52:41 GMT -5
FUI, the estimate for the coronavirus test is about 60% accurate. Hard to know as it is so new and confirmation testing is not complicated. That is why I was comparing it the the influenza test. This is not unusual for diagnostic tests, especially when the are just developed. However, identifying 60% of patients instead of none is better, don’t you think
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,368
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 20, 2020 11:57:13 GMT -5
FUI, the estimate for the coronavirus test is about 60% accurate. Hard to know as it is so new and confirmation testing is not complicated. That is why I was comparing it the the influenza test. This is not unusual for diagnostic tests, especially when the are just developed. However, identifying 60% of patients instead of none is better, don’t you think
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,086
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 20, 2020 12:17:54 GMT -5
Nope. Actually, it was because the US has always preferred to let the CDC develop its own tests. The CDC did so; however, there was a fault in the manufacturing process that rendered the test useless and put us even further behind. Quite a few countries developed their own tests. The one from WHO was developed in Germany. China uses their own. here is the thing that bothers me about this issue.
in January, the WHO offered us test kits that were, essentially, field tested. they worked. I think that Trump really needs to answer for why he didn't accept them.
seriously. that was a fatal mistake.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,086
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 20, 2020 12:19:04 GMT -5
My mistake. I misread the posts. In my defense, I'm endeavoring to read and post while simultaneously avoiding a traveling cat's tail. Lol, that's funny ! Our new cat is a Maine coon cat, about one year old. It's very affectionate and has a 'lot' of tail. He loves to flip it up into my face. that's funny. Maine Coons are typically pretty aloof. we own one, too. big orange fucker.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,086
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 20, 2020 12:20:22 GMT -5
FUI, the estimate for the coronavirus test is about 60% accurate. Hard to know as it is so new and confirmation testing is not complicated. That is why I was comparing it the the influenza test. This is not unusual for diagnostic tests, especially when the are just developed. However, identifying 60% of patients instead of none is better, don’t you think if you test twice, and both conform, it is about 85% accurate. which is a LOT better than nothing.
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Mar 20, 2020 13:08:30 GMT -5
Nope. Actually, it was because the US has always preferred to let the CDC develop its own tests. The CDC did so; however, there was a fault in the manufacturing process that rendered the test useless and put us even further behind. Quite a few countries developed their own tests. The one from WHO was developed in Germany. China uses their own. here is the thing that bothers me about this issue.
in January, the WHO offered us test kits that were, essentially, field tested. they worked. I think that Trump really needs to answer for why he didn't accept them.
seriously. that was a fatal mistake.
From what I'm reading, WHO never offered test kits. What they did offer was the protocols for developing such kits. The administration opted to let our CDC develop our tests rather than use the protocol developed in Germany and preferred by WHO. The same was true of all countries that have the necessary technology. WHO did help countries that don't have the technology to get what they needed but didn't offer to supply kits to others.
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Mar 20, 2020 13:10:05 GMT -5
Lol, that's funny ! Our new cat is a Maine coon cat, about one year old. It's very affectionate and has a 'lot' of tail. He loves to flip it up into my face. that's funny. Maine Coons are typically pretty aloof. we own one, too. big orange fucker.
My parents had a huge, orange Maine Coon years ago. Name was Fred and he was quite the character.
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,368
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 20, 2020 14:00:51 GMT -5
that's funny. Maine Coons are typically pretty aloof. we own one, too. big orange fucker.
My parents had a huge, orange Maine Coon years ago. Name was Fred and he was quite the character. We are on our third. 14 1/2 years old. Up to 17.5 pounds at one point, but now losing weight. Great cats, they really think they are part of the family in our experience. Son had to come home from Spain, so he now spends day on my sons bed while he is doing homework. Takes up most of the bed, LOL
|
|
NastyWoman
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 20:50:37 GMT -5
Posts: 14,350
|
Post by NastyWoman on Mar 20, 2020 20:41:34 GMT -5
the US now has the 5th most active cases of any country, ahead of China and South Korea. MAGA? Or is this still not it
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,393
|
Post by thyme4change on Mar 20, 2020 20:49:29 GMT -5
Remember that we have 350M people, where Italy had like 60M and South Korea has like 50M. So, raw count doesn't tell the whole story.
|
|
weltschmerz
Community Leader
Joined: Jul 25, 2011 13:37:39 GMT -5
Posts: 38,962
|
Post by weltschmerz on Mar 20, 2020 22:55:04 GMT -5
My parents had a huge, orange Maine Coon years ago. Name was Fred and he was quite the character. We are on our third. 14 1/2 years old. Up to 17.5 pounds at one point, but now losing weight. Great cats, they really think they are part of the family in our experience. Son had to come home from Spain, so he now spends day on my sons bed while he is doing homework. Takes up most of the bed, LOL My Sushi the Destroyer is a 20 pound Tonkinese.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 26, 2024 6:12:10 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 9:33:10 GMT -5
here is the thing that bothers me about this issue.
in January, the WHO offered us test kits that were, essentially, field tested. they worked. I think that Trump really needs to answer for why he didn't accept them.
seriously. that was a fatal mistake.
From what I'm reading, WHO never offered test kits. What they did offer was the protocols for developing such kits. The administration opted to let our CDC develop our tests rather than use the protocol developed in Germany and preferred by WHO. The same was true of all countries that have the necessary technology. WHO did help countries that don't have the technology to get what they needed but didn't offer to supply kits to others. That's the same thing I read. I sometimes don't know who to believe any more. My first thought was where would the WHO get such huge funding to supply these things world-wide.
|
|