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Mar 20, 2020 12:19:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 20, 2020 10:20:15 GMT -5 @x said:

Lol, that's funny ! 

Our new cat is a Maine coon cat, about one year old. 

It's very affectionate and has a 'lot' of tail. 

He loves to flip it up into my face.   

that's funny. Maine Coons are typically pretty aloof.

we own one, too. big orange fucker.

Ours weighs 15 pounds at 1 year old. 

Might lose a pound as he sheds this springtime. 

What a giant hair ball, lol.

His name is Opie, but I call him Fuzzall most of the time.

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 21, 2020 9:33:10 GMT -5 @x said:

Mar 20, 2020 13:08:30 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

From what I'm reading, WHO never offered test kits. What they did offer was the protocols for developing such kits. The administration opted to let our CDC develop our tests rather than use the protocol developed in Germany and preferred by WHO. The same was true of all countries that have the necessary technology. WHO did help countries that don't have the technology to get what they needed but didn't offer to supply kits to others.

That's the same thing I read. 

I sometimes don't know who to believe any more. 

My first thought was where would the WHO get such huge funding to supply these things world-wide. 

Right, but why the need to reinvent the wheel. Valuable time was lost

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Mar 21, 2020 9:46:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Mar 21, 2020 9:33:10 GMT -5 @x said:

That's the same thing I read. 

I sometimes don't know who to believe any more. 

My first thought was where would the WHO get such huge funding to supply these things world-wide. 

Right, but why the need to reinvent the wheel. Valuable time was lost

I haven't been able to read anything lately as springtime is equipment/maintenance time. 

I'm usually self quarantined for about 6 weeks this time of year anyway, lol. 

So we are not using the WHO guidelines ? 

Is there any company that's domestic, that's already in position to produce a test ? 

Being a novel virus, there really wouldn't be anyone who exactly has a lot of experience/knowledge producing the test. 

Even outside the US.

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 21, 2020 9:55:41 GMT -5 @x said:

Mar 21, 2020 9:46:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Right, but why the need to reinvent the wheel. Valuable time was lost

I haven't been able to read anything lately as springtime is equipment/maintenance time. 

I'm usually self quarantined for about 6 weeks this time of year anyway, lol. 

So we are not using the WHO guidelines ? 

Is there any company that's domestic, that's already in position to produce a test ? 

Being a novel virus, there really wouldn't be anyone who exactly has a lot of experience/knowledge producing the test. 

Even outside the US.

No tests have been developed now. The reason we have not tested in the numbers that other countries have is we decided not to take Care WHO help and decided to produce our own. We then ran into difficulties with development of the tests, setting us back further. We also did not fast track tests being developed by labs in the US. Consequence of the lack of leadership and urgency that the POTIS exhibited. Again leadership matters. If he treated it as a crisis in the first place, when it started, we may be more like South Korea, instead of trending toward Italy. Thousands will die e, and it is possible we could have ameliorated it if we treated it as serious as the situation has become

[weltschmerz]

Mar 21, 2020 9:37:36 GMT -5 @x said:

Mar 20, 2020 12:19:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that's funny. Maine Coons are typically pretty aloof.

we own one, too. big orange fucker.

Ours weighs 15 pounds at 1 year old. 

Might lose a pound as he sheds this springtime. 

What a giant hair ball, lol.

His name is Opie, but I call him Fuzzall most of the time.

Please don't use a cattle prod on this cat, like you have with the others.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 21, 2020 11:11:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Mar 21, 2020 9:55:41 GMT -5 @x said:

I haven't been able to read anything lately as springtime is equipment/maintenance time. 

I'm usually self quarantined for about 6 weeks this time of year anyway, lol. 

So we are not using the WHO guidelines ? 

Is there any company that's domestic, that's already in position to produce a test ? 

Being a novel virus, there really wouldn't be anyone who exactly has a lot of experience/knowledge producing the test. 

Even outside the US.

No tests have been developed now. The reason we have not tested in the numbers that other countries have is we decided not to take Care WHO help and decided to produce our own. We then ran into difficulties with development of the tests, setting us back further. We also did not fast track tests being developed by labs in the US. Consequence of the lack of leadership and urgency that the POTIS exhibited. Again leadership matters. If he treated it as a crisis in the first place, when it started, we may be more like South Korea, instead of trending toward Italy. Thousands will die e, and it is possible we could have ameliorated it if we treated it as serious as the situation has become

you know what bums me out the most?  his minions will give him a pass on this one too, when he blames the Democrats, the Chinese, and probably, before it is over, God. 

we knew precisely what to do in Jan.  all we had to do is look outside our own country- something Trump is completely incapable of doing, as far as I can tell.  it is normally a minor fault.  in a crisis, it is a critical one.

#elpeor

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 21, 2020 12:22:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 21, 2020 11:11:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

No tests have been developed now. The reason we have not tested in the numbers that other countries have is we decided not to take Care WHO help and decided to produce our own. We then ran into difficulties with development of the tests, setting us back further. We also did not fast track tests being developed by labs in the US. Consequence of the lack of leadership and urgency that the POTIS exhibited. Again leadership matters. If he treated it as a crisis in the first place, when it started, we may be more like South Korea, instead of trending toward Italy. Thousands will die e, and it is possible we could have ameliorated it if we treated it as serious as the situation has become

you know what bums me out the most?  his minions will give him a pass on this one too, when he blames the Democrats, the Chinese, and probably, before it is over, God. 

we knew precisely what to do in Jan.  all we had to do is look outside our own country- something Trump is completely incapable of doing, as far as I can tell.  it is normally a minor fault.  in a crisis, it is a critical one.

#elpeor

The funny thing is that he trusted the Chinese statements. . His America first nonsense is just that, nonsense. When you decide to go your own way, you shouldn’t be surprised when others do too. The Chinese track record on these things is poor, transparency in these events has not been their behavior. His job is to protect us, but he spent 6 weeks telling us nonsense. He was apoplectic about bringing Ebola patients here. How many Americans died from that here? But yes, we have gone so far down the rabbit hole that he probably won’t be called out about it unless the worst case plays out

[Tiny]

Mar 20, 2020 10:34:39 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

My own private demon is a Siamese, @x . She's got a tail like a whip and it's longer than she is. A right pain in the arse to dodge and rather painful if she achieves a "hit". 

Thank you for this.  I have a little black and white rescue cat who is oddly shaped (most of the cats at the shelter are typical Domestic Cat shaped)  and has a long thin, razor sharp tail.  Getting hit with it kind of hurts.   I've never had a cat with a tail like that before.  When asked what kind of cat she is I say she's a Boston Terrier/Siamese mix.     I've never actually seen a Siamese in real life... so I just assumed from photos that my Little Girl's long whip like tail was sort of like a Siamese's tail (which looks like it might hurt if you get hit with it).  

[Tiny]

Wow.  We just rolled over 300,000 cases world wide.   I think we were at just under 200,000 cases at the beginning of the week.    

Here we go folks!   Hopefully, you all have been "social distancing" and staying home as much as possible - if you aren't sick at this point - now's the time to stay home and really avoid other people (and the air they've breathed) to stay not sick.     

The virus is really here - in your neighborhood/community.   

[djAdvocate]

and just like that, we are in second in active cases:


Country,
Other Total
Cases New
Cases Total
Deaths New
Deaths Total
Recovered Active
Cases Serious,
Critical Tot Cases/
1M pop
Italy 53,578 +6,557 4,825 +793 6,072 42,681 2,857 886
USA 22,813 +3,430 288 +32 171 22,354 64 69

given our population, we are likely to go into first.
remember: Italy is on lockdown. it is not stopping it.

it killed nearly 1000 in Italy today. TODAY.

[djAdvocate]

I am not at all convinced that South Korea really has it licked.

they appear to be seeing some "reinfection" there.

it would be a good model to follow closely as a "best case scenario" for the US.

[thyme4change]

Question:

A girl on my Facebook feed has been continually downplaying the Italy situation. She never offers a source or any further info. Just a somewhat vague statement. They haven't been entirely accurate. She has family in Italy, so I assume she is getting info from them, and either interpreting it incorrectly or there is misinformation roaming around Italy.

Her statement today is that the "media" is reporting the entire death rate in Italy and claiming (or implying) they are all verified Covid deaths.

Anybody heard anything like this?

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 21, 2020 14:13:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am not at all convinced that South Korea really has it licked.

they appear to be seeing some "reinfection" there.

it would be a good model to follow closely as a "best case scenario" for the US.

I think they are flattening the curve, not that they have it licked. Best we can do

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 21, 2020 16:41:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Question:

A girl on my Facebook feed has been continually downplaying the Italy situation. She never offers a source or any further info. Just a somewhat vague statement. They haven't been entirely accurate. She has family in Italy, so I assume she is getting info from them, and either interpreting it incorrectly or there is misinformation roaming around Italy.

Her statement today is that the "media" is reporting the entire death rate in Italy and claiming (or implying) they are all verified Covid deaths.

Anybody heard anything like this?

Just saw the news. They had a piece from a hospital in Bergamot. Sure looked like they were in the situation that was reported. Suspect she is relying on unreliable information

[djAdvocate]

Mar 21, 2020 17:04:48 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Mar 21, 2020 14:13:52 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am not at all convinced that South Korea really has it licked.

they appear to be seeing some "reinfection" there.

it would be a good model to follow closely as a "best case scenario" for the US.

I think they are flattening the curve, not that they have it licked. Best we can do

I agree completely. what South Korea did is about the best we could expect, with effective leadership.

it will make a good comparable, when all is said and done. it is roughly 1/6th the size of us, so we should expect things to be about 6x as bad here in the best case.

the worst case, so far, is Italy. that would be my best guess as to how this goes for us.

sorry if that sound cynical, but so far, the response has been spectacularly bad and uncoordinated.

[Tiny]

I went to the google.

There's a bunch of different sites that list death rates by country.   I just picked this one cause it was the last one I looked at. 
worldpopulationreview.com/countries/death-rate-by-country/

On the handful I looked at - Italy has yearly rate of 10.5ish per 1000 people.

So, lets guesstimate!

Italy has 60,000,000 people. Now, I'm not particularly good at math..
60,000,000/1000 = 60,0000 (thousands in 60 million)
60,000*10 = 600,000 deaths per year
600,000/365days in a year = 1643 deaths per typical day in Italy. (that's a back of an envelop guesstimation).

Perhaps it looks like the "media" is reporting all the daily deaths in Italy - the COVID19 deaths are about 1/2 the expected daily deaths at this point.

Wait. That's gotta be kinda scary...covid19 could soon be killing the same number of people per day in Italy - as are expected to die daily on a regular old everyday day.

[thyme4change]

Mar 21, 2020 17:15:20 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Mar 21, 2020 16:41:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Question:

A girl on my Facebook feed has been continually downplaying the Italy situation. She never offers a source or any further info. Just a somewhat vague statement. They haven't been entirely accurate. She has family in Italy, so I assume she is getting info from them, and either interpreting it incorrectly or there is misinformation roaming around Italy.

Her statement today is that the "media" is reporting the entire death rate in Italy and claiming (or implying) they are all verified Covid deaths.

Anybody heard anything like this?

Just saw the news. They had a piece from a hospital in Bergamot. Sure looked like they were in the situation that was reported. Suspect she is relying on unreliable information

I'm not sure I understand. Do you think she is right (or likely right) or that she is wrong (or likely wrong)?

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 21, 2020 18:05:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mar 21, 2020 17:15:20 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Just saw the news. They had a piece from a hospital in Bergamot. Sure looked like they were in the situation that was reported. Suspect she is relying on unreliable information

I'm not sure I understand. Do you think she is right (or likely right) or that she is wrong (or likely wrong)?

That she is wrong. They opened a new area for critically ill patients 2 days ago, and its full already. Everything I have seen shows it’s a disaster

[mmhmm]

Mar 21, 2020 9:33:10 GMT -5 @x said:

Mar 20, 2020 13:08:30 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

From what I'm reading, WHO never offered test kits. What they did offer was the protocols for developing such kits. The administration opted to let our CDC develop our tests rather than use the protocol developed in Germany and preferred by WHO. The same was true of all countries that have the necessary technology. WHO did help countries that don't have the technology to get what they needed but didn't offer to supply kits to others.

That's the same thing I read. 

I sometimes don't know who to believe any more. 

My first thought was where would the WHO get such huge funding to supply these things world-wide. 

Agreed. You hear/read one thing one place and the polar opposite another. It's frustrating as hell. I too was doubtful that WHO had offered to supply test kits to the freaking world, though.

[mmhmm]

Mar 21, 2020 13:31:39 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Mar 20, 2020 10:34:39 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

My own private demon is a Siamese, @x . She's got a tail like a whip and it's longer than she is. A right pain in the arse to dodge and rather painful if she achieves a "hit". 

Thank you for this.  I have a little black and white rescue cat who is oddly shaped (most of the cats at the shelter are typical Domestic Cat shaped)  and has a long thin, razor sharp tail.  Getting hit with it kind of hurts.   I've never had a cat with a tail like that before.  When asked what kind of cat she is I say she's a Boston Terrier/Siamese mix.     I've never actually seen a Siamese in real life... so I just assumed from photos that my Little Girl's long whip like tail was sort of like a Siamese's tail (which looks like it might hurt if you get hit with it).  

Yep. The Siamese tail is all but a deadly weapon. It's thin, and loooooong, and hard as a rock. I always check to see if she's bloodied my nose when she connects.

[happyhoix]

Mar 20, 2020 12:19:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 20, 2020 10:20:15 GMT -5 @x said:

Lol, that's funny ! 

Our new cat is a Maine coon cat, about one year old. 

It's very affectionate and has a 'lot' of tail. 

He loves to flip it up into my face.   

that's funny. Maine Coons are typically pretty aloof.

we own one, too. big orange fucker.

My Maine coon has about 30 minutes of smothering affection, the rest of the day she will move around the house, usually in the same room with me but not in my lap - sleeping in the next chair or under the table. More dogish than cat. And that fat, feathery tail like a duster. Not psychotic like the Siamese.

[happyhoix]

Mar 21, 2020 17:46:43 GMT -5 Tiny said:

I went to the google.

There's a bunch of different sites that list death rates by country.   I just picked this one cause it was the last one I looked at. 
worldpopulationreview.com/countries/death-rate-by-country/

On the handful I looked at - Italy has yearly rate of 10.5ish per 1000 people.

So, lets guesstimate!

Italy has 60,000,000 people. Now, I'm not particularly good at math..
60,000,000/1000 = 60,0000 (thousands in 60 million)
60,000*10 = 600,000 deaths per year
600,000/365days in a year = 1643 deaths per typical day in Italy. (that's a back of an envelop guesstimation).

Perhaps it looks like the "media" is reporting all the daily deaths in Italy - the COVID19 deaths are about 1/2 the expected daily deaths at this point.

Wait. That's gotta be kinda scary...covid19 could soon be killing the same number of people per day in Italy - as are expected to die daily on a regular old everyday day.

One problem for Italy is the average age of their citizens is high- large percent of elderly people.

[happyhoix]

I have a question for the medical people- once you recover from the virus are you immune? Or can you get it again? I’ve seen conflicting things in the news.

[happyhoix]

I think our country will have serious hot spots in large cities but I’m hopeful that in the more rural areas, by clamping down on crowds and closing schools we can control the spread a little. Very concerned about countries like India or Mexico who may not have the resources to keep the lid on it. These countries could have catastrophic outcome s.

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 22, 2020 9:40:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I have a question for the medical people- once you recover from the virus are you immune? Or can you get it again? I’ve seen conflicting things in the news.

Probably. This coronavirus is in a large family of viruses, not a completely new one. Unknown is how much it mutates. But based on other viruses, you likely will have at least a short term immunity and likely long term immunity.

[happyhoix]

Mar 21, 2020 12:22:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 21, 2020 11:11:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

No tests have been developed now. The reason we have not tested in the numbers that other countries have is we decided not to take Care WHO help and decided to produce our own. We then ran into difficulties with development of the tests, setting us back further. We also did not fast track tests being developed by labs in the US. Consequence of the lack of leadership and urgency that the POTIS exhibited. Again leadership matters. If he treated it as a crisis in the first place, when it started, we may be more like South Korea, instead of trending toward Italy. Thousands will die e, and it is possible we could have ameliorated it if we treated it as serious as the situation has become

you know what bums me out the most?  his minions will give him a pass on this one too, when he blames the Democrats, the Chinese, and probably, before it is over, God. 

we knew precisely what to do in Jan.  all we had to do is look outside our own country- something Trump is completely incapable of doing, as far as I can tell.  it is normally a minor fault.  in a crisis, it is a critical one.

#elpeor

I think Trump is going to struggle to get re-elected this fall for two main reasons. Successful crisis leaders are successful because they are truthful but hopeful, and because they accept all the blame but attribute all the successes to others. Trump is known to create alternative truths, even to his followers, and he will campaign this fall on how this virus was not his fault but every small victory we achieve will be 100 percent because of him. Plus he won’t have his big rallies to energize his 38 percent to go vote. Biden wins simply by being truthful yet honest and not being trump.

[happyhoix]

Mar 22, 2020 9:49:07 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Mar 22, 2020 9:40:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I have a question for the medical people- once you recover from the virus are you immune? Or can you get it again? I’ve seen conflicting things in the news.

Probably. This coronavirus is in a large family of viruses, not a completely new one. Unknown is how much it mutates. But based on other viruses, you likely will have at least a short term immunity and likely long term immunity.

That’s hopeful anyway. Saw a professor of contagious medicine on tv this am talking about the French study with the malaria drug and he said that was just for 20 people, and what it showed was just that the meds reduced the number of virus cells shed, not that it cured the disease. Larger study is required I guess to determine actual benefits.

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 22, 2020 10:49:03 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Mar 22, 2020 9:49:07 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Probably. This coronavirus is in a large family of viruses, not a completely new one. Unknown is how much it mutates. But based on other viruses, you likely will have at least a short term immunity and likely long term immunity.

That’s hopeful anyway. Saw a professor of contagious medicine on tv this am talking about the French study with the malaria drug and he said that was just for 20 people, and what it showed was just that the meds reduced the number of virus cells shed, not that it cured the disease. Larger study is required I guess to determine actual benefits.

Again, this is all wishful thinking at present. This drug has never been shown to have antiviral effects in the past. It is most commonly used for its anti-inflammatory effects. Color me skeptical about its ability to affect this pandemic in a significant way

[mmhmm]

Mar 22, 2020 9:17:16 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Mar 20, 2020 12:19:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that's funny. Maine Coons are typically pretty aloof.

we own one, too. big orange fucker.

My Maine coon has about 30 minutes of smothering affection, the rest of the day she will move around the house, usually in the same room with me but not in my lap - sleeping in the next chair or under the table. More dogish than cat. And that fat, feathery tail like a duster. Not psychotic like the Siamese.

Chooch begs to differ! She's not psychotic! She's simply animated while awake. When asleep she's a lump in my lap.

Oooh, by the way, I found the bestest cat treats! Dreamies. They're made in the UK and you can get them on Amazon in a number of flavors. Chooch, who usually turns her nose up at treats, absolutely loves them.

[mmhmm]

Mar 22, 2020 11:19:48 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Mar 22, 2020 10:49:03 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

That’s hopeful anyway. Saw a professor of contagious medicine on tv this am talking about the French study with the malaria drug and he said that was just for 20 people, and what it showed was just that the meds reduced the number of virus cells shed, not that it cured the disease. Larger study is required I guess to determine actual benefits.

Again, this is all wishful thinking at present. This drug has never been shown to have antiviral effects in the past. It is most commonly used for its anti-inflammatory effects. Color me skeptical about its ability to affect this pandemic in a significant way

Seems to me I recall chloroquine had some nasty retinal side-effects. It's been around forever, though. I'm looking for something else I think I remember reading (it's been awhile) about azithromycin having some mild effect on viral load but haven't been able to find the information I'm looking for.