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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 22, 2019 21:12:17 GMT -5
Howard Stern was the client of the attorney/father of a law school classmate. Reportedly, he is a very kind and polite man, and not foul mouthed at all. He was a judge on America’s Got Talent for several seasons and I was impressed by his surprisingly clean wit, intelligence,and genuine kindness to contestants. Away from the radio station, he is an entirely different person who could easily read books to children. I’ll admit I don’t know much about the raunchy side of cross-dressing, so I may be naive, but I believe the vast majority of cross-dressers aren’t entertainers like Stern or any of the famous drag queen comedians. Most consider cross-dressing as a hobby — a hobby they aspire to perfect as to be almost undetectable as being another gender. If this latter group reads to children in a library, I suspect most would never know. Heck, maybe those who object so vehemently already unwittingly know and respect drag queens. 😈 A cross dresser and a drag queen are not the same thing. It's drag queens reading to children.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 23, 2019 10:48:59 GMT -5
, these attributes are missing in Trump, but you voted for him anyway.
What has this to do with the topic of discussion?
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 23, 2019 11:13:07 GMT -5
, these attributes are missing in Trump, but you voted for him anyway.
What has this to do with the topic of discussion? LOL you say that like it matters.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Nov 23, 2019 11:28:11 GMT -5
This discussion was supposed to be about a place in the Deep South not allowing a mixed race couple marry.
There are no rules for discussions.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 23, 2019 13:57:40 GMT -5
I think it's about discrimination in general. They also didn't believe in gay marriage.
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Post by oped on Nov 23, 2019 14:33:08 GMT -5
This discussion was supposed to be about a place in the Deep South not allowing a mixed race couple marry.
There are no rules for discussions. It’s more problematic to come out as anti interracial marriages... we are supposed to be past that... still a-ok to be against the gays and the drag queens... so...
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Post by garion2003 on Nov 27, 2019 12:49:54 GMT -5
That is ludicrous. How many people dress up as Superman actually believe they are Superman? Counter that with % of men dressed as women that think they are women. You just like to argue. A lot of drag queens don't believe they're women. They just like to dress like them and go all out with the makeup and hair. Many dress "normally" most of the time. Then you have me on the other end that despises wearing skirts and dresses and Andi spends more on one makeup buying trip to the mall than I have my entire life. Not to overly generalize, but yeah THAT! Drag queens are performers. In costume. There's a reason the drag look is super exaggerated. In my (albeit limited experience) trans women want to look/act/feel like women, not the drag queen version. On a side note, I marvel at these amazing drag queens (who look sensational) and then out of drag are muscular, masculine, men. It's like..damnnn. But that's just me
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Post by ednkris on Nov 29, 2019 13:29:12 GMT -5
I think people are to sensitive on both sides of issues, a lot of issues. People don't mind their kids being read to by drag queens that's fine, I do that's fine too. No one is wrong here. I think in today's society we went too far to be politically correct and inclusive in everything. Just like in color it is ok if a white person or a black person not want to believe mixed marriage that is their choice. It's alright not to believe in gay marriage, or like the fact that someone is gay, lesbian, trans etc. You cannot make someone like someone else that is forcing your beliefs on them. What they can't do is break the law in using their prejudice against others. I think pushing the all inclusiveness is actually taking away the right to personal choice. Whether someone else thinks its right or wrong.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 29, 2019 13:41:29 GMT -5
I think people are to sensitive on both sides of issues, a lot of issues. People don't mind their kids being read to by drag queens that's fine, I do that's fine too. No one is wrong here. don't take your kid to the event but don't work to stop the event from happening. I think in today's society we went too far to be politically correct and inclusive in everything. Just like in color it is ok if a white person or a black person not want to believe mixed marriage that is their choice. It's alright not to believe in gay marriage, or like the fact that someone is gay, lesbian, trans etc. -thumbsup-but don't engage in actions which impede such marriages or stop others from living a fully free life You cannot make someone like someone else that is forcing your beliefs on them. What they can't do is break the law in using their prejudice against others. I think pushing the all inclusiveness is actually taking away the right to personal choice. Whether someone else thinks its right or wrong. I agree people should be (and they actually are) free to think what they want. And they should be able to act in their private lives on those beliefs.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 29, 2019 18:33:21 GMT -5
I think people are to sensitive on both sides of issues, a lot of issues. People don't mind their kids being read to by drag queens that's fine, I do that's fine too. No one is wrong here. I think in today's society we went too far to be politically correct and inclusive in everything. Just like in color it is ok if a white person or a black person not want to believe mixed marriage that is their choice. It's alright not to believe in gay marriage, or like the fact that someone is gay, lesbian, trans etc. You cannot make someone like someone else that is forcing your beliefs on them. What they can't do is break the law in using their prejudice against others. I think pushing the all inclusiveness is actually taking away the right to personal choice. Whether someone else thinks its right or wrong. No. No one is entitled to not "believe" in mixed marriage. It is a fact. If they believe it is wrong - they don't have to marry outside of their color. Where it goes wrong is if they try to rid the world of it because it is against their belief system. If it is okay for them to bad talk it, or try to convince others that two people getting married is wrong, then others have the right to try and convince someone it is morally acceptable.
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Post by ednkris on Nov 30, 2019 0:31:34 GMT -5
I think people are to sensitive on both sides of issues, a lot of issues. People don't mind their kids being read to by drag queens that's fine, I do that's fine too. No one is wrong here. I think in today's society we went too far to be politically correct and inclusive in everything. Just like in color it is ok if a white person or a black person not want to believe mixed marriage that is their choice. It's alright not to believe in gay marriage, or like the fact that someone is gay, lesbian, trans etc. You cannot make someone like someone else that is forcing your beliefs on them. What they can't do is break the law in using their prejudice against others. I think pushing the all inclusiveness is actually taking away the right to personal choice. Whether someone else thinks its right or wrong. No. No one is entitled to not "believe" in mixed marriage. It is a fact. If they believe it is wrong - they don't have to marry outside of their color. Where it goes wrong is if they try to rid the world of it because it is against their belief system. If it is okay for them to bad talk it, or try to convince others that two people getting married is wrong, then others have the right to try and convince someone it is morally acceptable. Two wrongs don't equal a right
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 30, 2019 1:12:29 GMT -5
No. No one is entitled to not "believe" in mixed marriage. It is a fact. If they believe it is wrong - they don't have to marry outside of their color. Where it goes wrong is if they try to rid the world of it because it is against their belief system. If it is okay for them to bad talk it, or try to convince others that two people getting married is wrong, then others have the right to try and convince someone it is morally acceptable. Two wrongs don't equal a right So, we should just outlaw everything that someone doesn't like because we are too polite to argue?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 30, 2019 9:02:20 GMT -5
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Post by ednkris on Nov 30, 2019 15:52:52 GMT -5
each side thinks the other is wrong, but in reality that doesn't make their belief right.
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Post by ednkris on Nov 30, 2019 16:02:03 GMT -5
Two wrongs don't equal a right So, we should just outlaw everything that someone doesn't like because we are too polite to argue? What i have been seeing is just not arguing it is the rude, nasty, belittling behavior. Just hop on over to the political board. You just cannot have disagreements, if you like trump then you are considered a racist, homophobic, rapist supporting piece of shit. Unreal how people will act, I pity the people who are so vile they cannot have a civil debate.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 30, 2019 18:17:19 GMT -5
So, we should just outlaw everything that someone doesn't like because we are too polite to argue? What i have been seeing is just not arguing it is the rude, nasty, belittling behavior. Just hop on over to the political board. You just cannot have disagreements, if you like trump then you are considered a racist, homophobic, rapist supporting piece of shit. Unreal how people will act, I pity the people who are so vile they cannot have a civil debate. Nice try but this discussion isn't about Trump. It's about mixed race marriage. And being against that because of race is kind of the definition of racist. And being against cross dressers just on principle is called prejudice, as in pre judging.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 30, 2019 18:18:31 GMT -5
each side thinks the other is wrong, but in reality that doesn't make their belief right. But one of them is right and one is wrong, so it's not two rights.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 30, 2019 18:32:21 GMT -5
each side thinks the other is wrong, but in reality that doesn't make their belief right. But one of them is right and one is wrong, so it's not two rights. Well, they could both be wrong, just differently so. An argument can have two wrong contentions. It happens all the time.
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Post by ednkris on Nov 30, 2019 20:30:21 GMT -5
What i have been seeing is just not arguing it is the rude, nasty, belittling behavior. Just hop on over to the political board. You just cannot have disagreements, if you like trump then you are considered a racist, homophobic, rapist supporting piece of shit. Unreal how people will act, I pity the people who are so vile they cannot have a civil debate. Nice try but this discussion isn't about Trump. It's about mixed race marriage. And being against that because of race is kind of the definition of racist. And being against cross dressers just on principle is called prejudice, as in pre judging. You are absolutely correct. People have the right to be racist or prejudice if they so choose. Onice you demand they think and act like you or you demand they are wrong you are the person in the wrong
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Post by ednkris on Nov 30, 2019 20:32:24 GMT -5
each side thinks the other is wrong, but in reality that doesn't make their belief right. But one of them is right and one is wrong, so it's not two rights. Incorrect. Who gets to say what a person believes is wrong.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 30, 2019 20:48:33 GMT -5
Nice try but this discussion isn't about Trump. It's about mixed race marriage. And being against that because of race is kind of the definition of racist. And being against cross dressers just on principle is called prejudice, as in pre judging. You are absolutely correct. People have the right to be racist or prejudice if they so choose. Onice you demand they think and act like you or you demand they are wrong you are the person in the wrong People have the right to believe what they want. However, they do not have the right to discriminate. When their beliefs translate to their acts, then there is a problem
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 30, 2019 21:13:00 GMT -5
But one of them is right and one is wrong, so it's not two rights. Incorrect. Who gets to say what a person believes is wrong. 2+2=4, if you say it is 5 you are wrong. There is such a thing as right and wrong. Actually you know this, you are trying to tell me I'm wrong right now. Incorrect is a synonym for wrong
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 30, 2019 21:21:56 GMT -5
Nice try but this discussion isn't about Trump. It's about mixed race marriage. And being against that because of race is kind of the definition of racist. And being against cross dressers just on principle is called prejudice, as in pre judging. You are absolutely correct. People have the right to be racist or prejudice if they so choose. Onice you demand they think and act like you or you demand they are wrong you are the person in the wrong They have the right to but they so often deny it. They would like to avoid the repurcussions so they stary saying things like "it"s just a difference of opinion"
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Post by ednkris on Nov 30, 2019 21:25:09 GMT -5
Incorrect. Who gets to say what a person believes is wrong. 2+2=4, if you say it is 5 you are wrong. There is such a thing as right and wrong. Actually you know this, you are trying to tell me I'm wrong right now. Incorrect is a synonym for wrong You may not like what someone believes or stands for but as long as they don't act on it to hurt others then they are not wrong. The only wrong ones are the people saying others are wrong for their beliefs. I abhor the kkk and everything they stand for but they have every right to believe what they want
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 30, 2019 21:29:50 GMT -5
2+2=4, if you say it is 5 you are wrong. There is such a thing as right and wrong. Actually you know this, you are trying to tell me I'm wrong right now. Incorrect is a synonym for wrong You may not like what someone believes or stands for but as long as they don't act on it to hurt others then they are not wrong. The only wrong ones are the people saying others are wrong for their beliefs. I abhor the kkk and everything they stand for but they have every right to believe what they want It's funny how you keep telling me I'm wrong while arguing you can't tell people they are wrong. The fact is we do not live in a world of alternative facts. The world is not flat, climate change is real and cross dressers are not immoral by definition.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 30, 2019 21:34:36 GMT -5
2+2=4, if you say it is 5 you are wrong. There is such a thing as right and wrong. Actually you know this, you are trying to tell me I'm wrong right now. Incorrect is a synonym for wrong You may not like what someone believes or stands for but as long as they don't act on it to hurt others then they are not wrong. The only wrong ones are the people saying others are wrong for their beliefs . I abhor the kkk and everything they stand for but they have every right to believe what they want If that is true, then why do you support a man adored by the KKK because he embodies their beliefs?
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Post by ednkris on Dec 1, 2019 12:12:17 GMT -5
You may not like what someone believes or stands for but as long as they don't act on it to hurt others then they are not wrong. The only wrong ones are the people saying others are wrong for their beliefs. I abhor the kkk and everything they stand for but they have every right to believe what they want It's funny how you keep telling me I'm wrong while arguing you can't tell people they are wrong. The fact is we do not live in a world of alternative facts. The world is not flat, climate change is real and cross dressers are not immoral by definition. i'm not saying anyone is wrong or right, just if you push your beliefs on others telling them they are wrong automatically makes you wrong
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Post by ednkris on Dec 1, 2019 12:13:55 GMT -5
You may not like what someone believes or stands for but as long as they don't act on it to hurt others then they are not wrong. The only wrong ones are the people saying others are wrong for their beliefs . I abhor the kkk and everything they stand for but they have every right to believe what they want If that is true, then why do you support a man adored by the KKK because he embodies their beliefs? any proof of that, or just your blinded hatred
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 1, 2019 12:42:40 GMT -5
If that is true, then why do you support a man adored by the KKK because he embodies their beliefs? any proof of that, or just your blinded hatred The KKK and other White Nationalist group do adore your guy. Proof is all over - unless you close your eyes. He has a White Nationalist working right in the White House: The senior Trump adviser Stephen Miller promoted white nationalist articles and books in emails to a writer at Breitbart, who after leaving the hard-right website leaked 900 messages to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/24/stephen-miller-white-nationalist-trump-immigration-guruDavid Duke, the former KKK grand wizard, is unambiguous about what Saturday’s alt-right and neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, means to him: It’s the fulfillment of President Donald Trump’s vision for America. “We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back. Duke has remained a faithful Trump supporter since then, insisting that the president-elect’s policies line up with the former KKK leader’s vision for America.www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk
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