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Post by zibazinski on Nov 22, 2019 8:02:17 GMT -5
Pawing is different than being a pervert. It’s called consideration for others, manners, politeness, good taste , being well brought up, having class. Something that seems to be missing in some people, apparently. Yes, these attributes are missing in Trump, but you voted for him anyway. Not because I’m married to him, that’s for sure.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 22, 2019 9:01:29 GMT -5
We are talking about this at this moment my wife broght up a good point. She and I for that matter don't care about being Round drag queens live and let ljve, but when they purposely dress that way to read to children where they will be inquisitive and definitely not age appropriate. You do know that dressing in drag is not contagious, right? Neither is being gay/trans/questioning or black/brown/yellow or any other difference. I dunno, dressing in drag might be contagious, especially for kids. They see people wearing fun stuff and they want to do it themselves. To me the bigger question on that is "Who cares? Even if you think they're dressing "weird" if it's not hurting anyone then what's the big deal? On Saturday's in the fall it wouldn't be unusual to see my 3 year old in a big poofy ballerina-looking dress with jeans under it because it's cold and a football jersey over it because she wants to wear the same jersey I have on. She looks like a total weirdo but it's not hurting anyone.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Nov 22, 2019 9:14:30 GMT -5
I remember being kind of stunned at the idea of drag queens when I first got exposed to it, I'm not really sure why. Something about men being dressed up like women somehow being wrong, but don't ask me exactly why, There is no problem with women dressing up as men. Now I find it funny it ever freaked me out. I'm not aware of any other "deviant" behaviour attributed to drag queens. They are female impersonators. And some of them are so good at it, doing great impressions of Joan Rivers, Barbara Streisand, Liza Minelli etc. Of all the things to worry about in the world that doesn't make my list. My first 'encounter' with a drag queen was in London, when I was a very sheltered and naive 23 or so, this would have been around 1993. He was very flamboyant (there were feathers!) and what I remember most is hearing his shoes clomp. We were meeting someone for dinner and it was a quiet-ish street. And the shoes/footsteps just echoed. He kept going his way, we kept going ours. I think he was wearing platform shoes with a LOT of height but that could be my memory adding details.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 22, 2019 9:14:32 GMT -5
I remember being kind of stunned at the idea of drag queens when I first got exposed to it, I'm not really sure why. Something about men being dressed up like women somehow being wrong, but don't ask me exactly why, There is no problem with women dressing up as men. Now I find it funny it ever freaked me out. I'm not aware of any other "deviant" behaviour attributed to drag queens. They are female impersonators. And some of them are so good at it, doing great impressions of Joan Rivers, Barbara Streisand, Liza Minelli etc. Of all the things to worry about in the world that doesn't make my list. I will say that for me personally, I definitely feel more uneasy about "drag queens" sometimes than I do about people who are simply cross-dressing or doing celebrity impersonations. A lot of drag queens are "outlandish" in terms of their personality, over the top, etc. It sometimes feels like men doing an impersonation of women that isn't very flattering in a lot of cases...which if you take it that way seems a bit like impersonating other races (or other minorities, I mean imagine if you were a straight male and doing an over-the-top impersonation of a gay male...there'd be issues). A lot of it is more individual though, there are drag queens that make me feel a bit uneasy with how "negatively" they're impersonating women, and some who are just trying their best to look like a woman while singing a song that a woman made famous. Personally, I think it's more of the drag queens telling jokes/doing acts that strikes me as a bit more improper. I also understand people that don't NECESSARILY want drag queens reading to kids if it extends beyond the clothes they're wearing. I'd probably be a bit apprehensive, and I'd have no issues with cross dressers reading to kids. If you've been to a drag show, you know that a lot of them hinge being enjoyable and funny on being kind of raunchy. So in terms of it being a "costume", I might feel the same way about drag queens reading to kids as I would someone dressed up as "Super Troopers" reading to kids. It's not the clothes I care about, it's the "character" you are dressing up as. It's why I've tried to keep a lot of my comments about cross-dressing, people choosing to wear specific clothes, etc...because I think there's more room for uncomfortability in the "drag queen" aspect given how often the actual characters being played in those situations tend to not be child-appropriate in their normal, non-library, setting.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 22, 2019 9:14:36 GMT -5
That's something I didn't think of. Do the Neverdragqueeners have a problem with celebrity impersonators reading to their children? Why or why not? Kate McKinnon can read a book at story time, but not if she is dressed as super conservative Jeff Sessions. And Aidy Bryant also should not show up dressed as Bill Barr.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Nov 22, 2019 9:16:21 GMT -5
You do know that dressing in drag is not contagious, right? Neither is being gay/trans/questioning or black/brown/yellow or any other difference. I dunno, dressing in drag might be contagious, especially for kids. They see people wearing fun stuff and they want to do it themselves. To me the bigger question on that is "Who cares? Even if you think they're dressing "weird" if it's not hurting anyone then what's the big deal? On Saturday's in the fall it wouldn't be unusual to see my 3 year old in a big poofy ballerina-looking dress with jeans under it because it's cold and a football jersey over it because she wants to wear the same jersey I have on. She looks like a total weirdo but it's not hurting anyone. I loving seeing kids in outfits they've picked out for themselves. It's always fun to see what they like and want to wear together.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 22, 2019 9:25:10 GMT -5
We have a mixed up individual living at our house,, Hmmm, German Shepard, maybe a little Dalmatian, and a little Greyhound mixed in. I got a sales call the other day, selling security systems, I replied We just got a new one.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 22, 2019 9:41:16 GMT -5
We have a mixed up individual living at our house,, Hmmm, German Shepard, maybe a little Dalmatian, and a little Greyhound mixed in. I got a sales call the other day, selling security systems, I replied We just got a new one. That was random. Please post a pic on the dog blog. I love dogs.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 22, 2019 9:42:10 GMT -5
I dunno, dressing in drag might be contagious, especially for kids. They see people wearing fun stuff and they want to do it themselves. To me the bigger question on that is "Who cares? Even if you think they're dressing "weird" if it's not hurting anyone then what's the big deal? On Saturday's in the fall it wouldn't be unusual to see my 3 year old in a big poofy ballerina-looking dress with jeans under it because it's cold and a football jersey over it because she wants to wear the same jersey I have on. She looks like a total weirdo but it's not hurting anyone. I loving seeing kids in outfits they've picked out for themselves. It's always fun to see what they like and want to wear together. I always love hearing them tell me why they like what they are wearing too. Little kids are hilarious.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 22, 2019 9:46:37 GMT -5
We have a mixed up individual living at our house,, Hmmm, German Shepard, maybe a little Dalmatian, and a little Greyhound mixed in. I got a sales call the other day, selling security systems, I replied We just got a new one. That was random. Please post a pic on the dog blog. I love dogs. If I can figure out how to do it I will, Oh my God this dog has ears. Boy do they stand up! First time the neighbor seen him, her comment was His name should be Radar!
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Post by swamp on Nov 22, 2019 9:49:46 GMT -5
Yeah, names are funny. Stone and Slate are brothers; their older brothers are Clayton and Colton (or Clay and Cole(Coal?) for short. Their mom is a geologist. It's the unisex names that I sometimes find challenging - Skyler, Jayden, Alex, Raylee, Justin, Cameron, Sam, ugh, there's several more I can't come up with now, but I know kids of both sexes with all those names (or variant spellings). I'm not always sure which pronouns to use! My sister was friends with a set of twins named Colby and Brie. Why on earth would someone name their children after cheese? That's not any worse than kids of a classmate, brothers Easton and Cooper, named after hockey equipment. Or Ariel and Jasmine, the Disney princesses, my clients.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 22, 2019 10:16:47 GMT -5
You do know that dressing in drag is not contagious, right? Neither is being gay/trans/questioning or black/brown/yellow or any other difference. I dunno, dressing in drag might be contagious, especially for kids. They see people wearing fun stuff and they want to do it themselves. To me the bigger question on that is "Who cares? Even if you think they're dressing "weird" if it's not hurting anyone then what's the big deal? On Saturday's in the fall it wouldn't be unusual to see my 3 year old in a big poofy ballerina-looking dress with jeans under it because it's cold and a football jersey over it because she wants to wear the same jersey I have on. She looks like a total weirdo but it's not hurting anyone. '98 Homosexual-Recruitment Drive Nearing Goal7/29/98 SAN FRANCISCO—Spokespersons for the National Gay & Lesbian Recruitment Task Force announced Monday that more than 288,000 straights have been converted to homosexuality since Jan. 1, 1998, putting the group well on pace to reach its goal of 350,000 conversions by the end of the year "Thanks to the tireless efforts of our missionaries nationwide, in the first seven months of 1998, nearly 300,000 heterosexuals were ensnared in the Pink Triangle," said NGLRTF co-director Patricia Emmonds. "Clearly, the activist homosexual lobby is winning." Emmonds credited much of the recruiting success to the gay lobby's infiltration of America's public schools, where programs promoting the homosexual lifestyle are regularly presented to children as young as 5. "It's crucial that we reach these kids while they're still young," Emmonds said. "That's when they're most vulnerable to our message of sexual promiscuity and deviance." Complete The Onion article here: '98 Homosexual-Recruitment Drive Nearing Goal
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 22, 2019 10:30:40 GMT -5
My sister was friends with a set of twins named Colby and Brie. Why on earth would someone name their children after cheese? That's not any worse than kids of a classmate, brothers Easton and Cooper, named after hockey equipment. Or Ariel and Jasmine, the Disney princesses, my clients. After my daughter was born and I was home on maternity leave, we only had atenna / network TV. I was nursing my baby and realized that I named her after a character on the soap opera I watched in high school. I was wondering how her name got in my head. Now I know. Oops.
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Post by swamp on Nov 22, 2019 10:35:30 GMT -5
That's not any worse than kids of a classmate, brothers Easton and Cooper, named after hockey equipment. Or Ariel and Jasmine, the Disney princesses, my clients. After my daughter was born and I was home on maternity leave, we only had atenna / network TV. I was nursing my baby and realized that I named her after a character on the soap opera I watched in high school. I was wondering how her name got in my head. Now I know. Oops. It's a normal name, so it's OK.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 22, 2019 10:38:43 GMT -5
I had a friend who couldn't come up with a name for her baby and needed to figure it out for the birth certificate for the hospital. I was talking to her on the phone before she was discharged and she told me they settled on Santino. I asked her if she thought she was Vito Corleone or something. She put her hand over the phone and asked her BF "Did you get that nane from the Godfather?" It was hilarious. They kept the name.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 22, 2019 15:15:19 GMT -5
I remember being kind of stunned at the idea of drag queens when I first got exposed to it, I'm not really sure why. Something about men being dressed up like women somehow being wrong, but don't ask me exactly why, There is no problem with women dressing up as men. Now I find it funny it ever freaked me out. I'm not aware of any other "deviant" behaviour attributed to drag queens. They are female impersonators. And some of them are so good at it, doing great impressions of Joan Rivers, Barbara Streisand, Liza Minelli etc. Of all the things to worry about in the world that doesn't make my list. I will say that for me personally, I definitely feel more uneasy about "drag queens" sometimes than I do about people who are simply cross-dressing or doing celebrity impersonations. A lot of drag queens are "outlandish" in terms of their personality, over the top, etc. It sometimes feels like men doing an impersonation of women that isn't very flattering in a lot of cases...which if you take it that way seems a bit like impersonating other races (or other minorities, I mean imagine if you were a straight male and doing an over-the-top impersonation of a gay male...there'd be issues). A lot of it is more individual though, there are drag queens that make me feel a bit uneasy with how "negatively" they're impersonating women, and some who are just trying their best to look like a woman while singing a song that a woman made famous. Personally, I think it's more of the drag queens telling jokes/doing acts that strikes me as a bit more improper. I also understand people that don't NECESSARILY want drag queens reading to kids if it extends beyond the clothes they're wearing. I'd probably be a bit apprehensive, and I'd have no issues with cross dressers reading to kids. If you've been to a drag show, you know that a lot of them hinge being enjoyable and funny on being kind of raunchy. So in terms of it being a "costume", I might feel the same way about drag queens reading to kids as I would someone dressed up as "Super Troopers" reading to kids. It's not the clothes I care about, it's the "character" you are dressing up as. It's why I've tried to keep a lot of my comments about cross-dressing, people choosing to wear specific clothes, etc...because I think there's more room for uncomfortability in the "drag queen" aspect given how often the actual characters being played in those situations tend to not be child-appropriate in their normal, non-library, setting. Ok, in that sense I can see a concern. Drag queens tend to be adult humour.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 22, 2019 15:20:47 GMT -5
I doubt very much drag queens who are reading stories to young children at libraries are going to be using adult humor.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 22, 2019 15:41:13 GMT -5
That's not any worse than kids of a classmate, brothers Easton and Cooper, named after hockey equipment. Or Ariel and Jasmine, the Disney princesses, my clients. After my daughter was born and I was home on maternity leave, we only had atenna / network TV. I was nursing my baby and realized that I named her after a character on the soap opera I watched in high school. I was wondering how her name got in my head. Now I know. Oops. When DS was born, I had to pick a name that was Hebrew, Russian, French and English.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Nov 22, 2019 15:48:08 GMT -5
LOL. With K's name - I realized sometime after her birth that her name was also the name of a character in a movie DH and I both enjoy. I think it's spelled differently though.
With C's name - I stole it from another mommy board but we spelled it differently than she did. I did tell her and that board though.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 22, 2019 15:49:57 GMT -5
I doubt very much drag queens who are reading stories to young children at libraries are going to be using adult humor. Probably not, but people that are risque sometimes don't turn it off in mixed company. It would be like having Howard Stern or Andrew Dice Clay reading to the kiddies. You can't be positive they will behave.
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Post by oped on Nov 22, 2019 15:56:36 GMT -5
Bullshit. Drag Queen Story Hour is an established thing... the only problems that ever arise are from the ‘fine upstanding sorts’ protesting.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 22, 2019 16:02:34 GMT -5
I dunno, dressing in drag might be contagious, especially for kids. They see people wearing fun stuff and they want to do it themselves. To me the bigger question on that is "Who cares? Even if you think they're dressing "weird" if it's not hurting anyone then what's the big deal? On Saturday's in the fall it wouldn't be unusual to see my 3 year old in a big poofy ballerina-looking dress with jeans under it because it's cold and a football jersey over it because she wants to wear the same jersey I have on. She looks like a total weirdo but it's not hurting anyone. '98 Homosexual-Recruitment Drive Nearing Goal... Think this helped them reach their goal. Gays do like their toaster ovens. Also
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 22, 2019 16:10:48 GMT -5
I doubt very much drag queens who are reading stories to young children at libraries are going to be using adult humor. Probably not, but people that are risque sometimes don't turn it off in mixed company. It would be like having Howard Stern or Andrew Dice Clay reading to the kiddies. You can't be positive they will behave. I happen to follow Howard Stern's wife on Instagram because they rescue cats. Howard is totally different than his persona when he is doing rescue work. There are videos of him interacting with children when families pick up cats. He met a child who was dying of cancer and her Make A Wish was to meet Beth and get a kitten. She got to meet Howard at the studio and he and Beth kept in touch with the family and still do. Howard Stern is a persona. I know he could do story hour if he decided to and would be just fine.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 22, 2019 16:22:09 GMT -5
Probably not, but people that are risque sometimes don't turn it off in mixed company. It would be like having Howard Stern or Andrew Dice Clay reading to the kiddies. You can't be positive they will behave. I happen to follow Howard Stern's wife on Instagram because they rescue cats. Howard is totally different than his persona when he is doing rescue work. There are videos of him interacting with children when families pick up cats. He met a child who was dying of cancer and her Make A Wish was to meet Beth and get a kitten. She got to meet Howard at the studio and he and Beth kept in touch with the family and still do. Howard Stern is a persona. I know he could do story hour if he decided to and would be just fine. The real Howard Stern could do storytime and be fine. If he was coming to do storytime as his radio persona though (his character) I think people would have pause perhaps. In the cases of drag queens, these are also people with a persona, who could easily choose to read books to kids as their real selves, but they're choosing to do it "as their character"...so I think concern over the behavior of "their character" and who that character is, is warranted...even if the person playing that character is perfectly polite and "normal" outside of the character. I tend to think the reality is that there is so much spotlight on this kind of thing that the people doing it are absolutely on best behavior. But I also understand people who say "why are they doing this as their character instead of as their non-character selves?" given how adult-centric most drag queen characters tend to be. Stern and Clay are tough in that their "characters" essentially share the same name as their real selves...so it's a hard distinction by name. In the cases of drag queens it's a bit easier...you can distinguish the character from the non-character both by name and by very distinct look. I think that also speaks back to the question of "why is one costume ok but drag queen costumes aren't?". One answer that I think would be reasonable would be that most costumes people would tend to wear to storytime would be costumes/characters of people/things that are primarily child-centric...where many drag queen characters tend to not be appropriate for children (which is what makes them enjoyable for adults to go see perform).
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Post by swamp on Nov 22, 2019 16:25:31 GMT -5
Probably not, but people that are risque sometimes don't turn it off in mixed company. It would be like having Howard Stern or Andrew Dice Clay reading to the kiddies. You can't be positive they will behave. I happen to follow Howard Stern's wife on Instagram because they rescue cats. Howard is totally different than his persona when he is doing rescue work. There are videos of him interacting with children when families pick up cats. He met a child who was dying of cancer and her Make A Wish was to meet Beth and get a kitten. She got to meet Howard at the studio and he and Beth kept in touch with the family and still do. Howard Stern is a persona. I know he could do story hour if he decided to and would be just fine. Howard Stern was the client of the attorney/father of a law school classmate. Reportedly, he is a very kind and polite man, and not foul mouthed at all.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 22, 2019 16:28:26 GMT -5
I doubt very much drag queens who are reading stories to young children at libraries are going to be using adult humor. Probably not, but people that are risque sometimes don't turn it off in mixed company. It would be like having Howard Stern or Andrew Dice Clay reading to the kiddies. You can't be positive they will behave. I doubt it would be like having DT talk to a group of boy scouts.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 22, 2019 16:40:44 GMT -5
I happen to follow Howard Stern's wife on Instagram because they rescue cats. Howard is totally different than his persona when he is doing rescue work. There are videos of him interacting with children when families pick up cats. He met a child who was dying of cancer and her Make A Wish was to meet Beth and get a kitten. She got to meet Howard at the studio and he and Beth kept in touch with the family and still do. Howard Stern is a persona. I know he could do story hour if he decided to and would be just fine. Howard Stern was the client of the attorney/father of a law school classmate. Reportedly, he is a very kind and polite man, and not foul mouthed at all. That is how he presents himself when he is working with cats, kittens and their families. He worried that two kittens that were adopted by a family with a young child wasn't going to work because the child was too young. He asked on air for the mother to call in. She did and the telephone call was about kittens and kids with no foul language at all. She and I have become online friends and Howard contacts her behind the scenes regularly to ask about the kittens. He has talked on the phone to the two kids.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 22, 2019 16:43:01 GMT -5
Probably not, but people that are risque sometimes don't turn it off in mixed company. It would be like having Howard Stern or Andrew Dice Clay reading to the kiddies. You can't be positive they will behave. I doubt it would be like having DT talk to a group of boy scouts. Lol.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Nov 22, 2019 20:44:13 GMT -5
I happen to follow Howard Stern's wife on Instagram because they rescue cats. Howard is totally different than his persona when he is doing rescue work. There are videos of him interacting with children when families pick up cats. He met a child who was dying of cancer and her Make A Wish was to meet Beth and get a kitten. She got to meet Howard at the studio and he and Beth kept in touch with the family and still do. Howard Stern is a persona. I know he could do story hour if he decided to and would be just fine. Howard Stern was the client of the attorney/father of a law school classmate. Reportedly, he is a very kind and polite man, and not foul mouthed at all. He was a judge on America’s Got Talent for several seasons and I was impressed by his surprisingly clean wit, intelligence,and genuine kindness to contestants. Away from the radio station, he is an entirely different person who could easily read books to children. I’ll admit I don’t know much about the raunchy side of cross-dressing, so I may be naive, but I believe the vast majority of cross-dressers aren’t entertainers like Stern or any of the famous drag queen comedians. Most consider cross-dressing as a hobby — a hobby they aspire to perfect as to be almost undetectable as being another gender. If this latter group reads to children in a library, I suspect most would never know. Heck, maybe those who object so vehemently already unwittingly know and respect drag queens. 😈
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 22, 2019 20:59:03 GMT -5
There was a movie about Howard Stern years ago. He was quiet and nerdy, and struggled in radio until he got loud and raunchy. He's clearly all those things, and it's good to hear that he knows when to turn off the raunchy.
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