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Post by happyhoix on Nov 12, 2019 14:04:28 GMT -5
no, they are entering because they are worried about Biden getting buried under a tidal wave of sketchy accusations.
they shouldn't be, imo.
Right now they should be worried Biden's wife seems to have more news media face time than he does. Why is he not in front of the camera? Remember when Hillary disappeared for days on the campaign run? What happened to her? I think that is a calculated decision by the Biden team. Biden can get mushy mouthed (not as bad as Trump, but he's been known to make some gaffes) and he's passionately devoted to his family, so I imagine he's ready to just go off on a reporter or citizen who raises the whole Ukrainian thing.
Dems are trying hard to present Biden (or whoever wins the nomination) as the rationale, polite, well mannered, thoughtful alterative to Bully boy, champion sulker Trump. So they're deliberately not letting Biden unleash on any critics, or on Trump. Will that be successful or not - who knows.
As for the Dems having a lack luster group - I've said this before, but here it is again. This is the primary, where the candidates in a party go after each other. Will all the dems rally around the person who is ultimately picked to lead the party in 2020? I don't know. I don't claim to see into the future.
But just because they're not engaged in publicly trashing Trump - whoever the nominee will be, there will be plenty of Trump bashing through 2020.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 13, 2019 6:53:55 GMT -5
Bob Ross, you used to be such a great emotional release here, and now you seem to be Bobby Downer these days I miss the old Bob Ross. Bob Ross realizes the danger the country is in right now. A shame you don't. Oh, I do realize the danger to the country from Pelosi, Schiff, Sanders, and Warren. It is a shame you do not see it.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 13, 2019 6:57:04 GMT -5
Bernie is running a lot of ads in this market right now. Wags say it is because of concerns of poll slippage due to his recent health issue, and is a concerted effort to inject publicity prior to the NH primary. Whatever the reason.... In those ads he is bashing TRUMP. Not Biden, Warren, or any other Dem, he is going right for trump. Well, he better wake up! Latest poll from Iowa has Mayor Pete in front with Biden second, then Warren, then Bernie. He has to remember at this point he is running against his socialist friends and not Trump. Ok, Biden may not be a socialist, but you get my drift. I hope you do.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2019 10:13:55 GMT -5
Bob Ross realizes the danger the country is in right now. A shame you don't. Oh, I do realize the danger to the country from Pelosi, Schiff, Sanders, and Warren. It is a shame you do not see it. Some day you will state to others (not here though) you never liked trump and didn't vote for him.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 13, 2019 10:36:01 GMT -5
Oh, I do realize the danger to the country from Pelosi, Schiff, Sanders, and Warren. It is a shame you do not see it. Some day you will state to others (not here though) you never liked trump and didn't vote for him. I can confess my sins as well as my mistakes. I even admitted President Obama was not a bad President and much better than I expected him to be. I guess you forgot that one. I think I rated him at a C plus rating, not sure as it was quite a while ago. I am sure if I am wrong, you can research and get back to me on that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2019 10:39:27 GMT -5
Some day you will state to others (not here though) you never liked trump and didn't vote for him. I can confess my sins as well as my mistakes. I even admitted President Obama was not a bad President and much better than I expected him to be. I guess you forgot that one. I think I rated him at a C plus rating, not sure as it was quite a while ago. I am sure if I am wrong, you can research and get back to me on that. I only waste my time on your current comments. You and your ilk will deny in the future you never liked trump nor voted for him.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 11:00:01 GMT -5
Microsoft News Poll. How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?
8% Very likely
6% Somewhat Likely
84% Not likely at all
2% Other/not sure.
Yea about the same as who changed their minds over the FBI last minute disclosure about Hillary's emails. IMHO.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 13, 2019 11:06:48 GMT -5
Microsoft News Poll. How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?
8% Very likely
6% Somewhat Likely
84% Not likely at all
2% Other/not sure.
Yea about the same as who changed their minds over the FBI last minute disclosure about Hillary's emails. IMHO.
I agree that it did create that level of change which was enough in states in which the vote was within 8-14% to change the result of the election.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 11:26:57 GMT -5
is this one of those on line "flash polls"?
if so = utterly meaningless.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 11:28:34 GMT -5
Bernie is running a lot of ads in this market right now. Wags say it is because of concerns of poll slippage due to his recent health issue, and is a concerted effort to inject publicity prior to the NH primary. Whatever the reason.... In those ads he is bashing TRUMP. Not Biden, Warren, or any other Dem, he is going right for trump. Well, he better wake up! Latest poll from Iowa has Mayor Pete in front with Biden second, then Warren, then Bernie. He has to remember at this point he is running against his socialist friends and not Trump. Ok, Biden may not be a socialist, but you get my drift. I hope you do. Iowa is the least indicative state in the primary season, due to the caucusing structure.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 13, 2019 12:28:08 GMT -5
Bernie is running a lot of ads in this market right now. Wags say it is because of concerns of poll slippage due to his recent health issue, and is a concerted effort to inject publicity prior to the NH primary. Whatever the reason.... In those ads he is bashing TRUMP. Not Biden, Warren, or any other Dem, he is going right for trump. Well, he better wake up! Latest poll from Iowa has Mayor Pete in front with Biden second, then Warren, then Bernie. He has to remember at this point he is running against his socialist friends and not Trump. Ok, Biden may not be a socialist, but you get my drift. I hope you do. ....and one more time with feeling........which candidates want to get rid of all private businesses and have the state own everything? I'll wait.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 13, 2019 12:34:07 GMT -5
I can confess my sins as well as my mistakes. I even admitted President Obama was not a bad President and much better than I expected him to be. I guess you forgot that one. I think I rated him at a C plus rating, not sure as it was quite a while ago. I am sure if I am wrong, you can research and get back to me on that. I only waste my time on your current comments. You and your ilk will deny in the future you never liked trump nor voted for him.Bolded. Is this a double negative? Not sure how I answer this one...... Did you mean "ever" instead of never? "You and your ilk"?? That is sort of uncalled for...... Call me a conservative, call me a Trump supporter, call me a hare brained Republican which I am not, but please do not call me an "ilk"
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 13, 2019 12:42:44 GMT -5
Well, he better wake up! Latest poll from Iowa has Mayor Pete in front with Biden second, then Warren, then Bernie. He has to remember at this point he is running against his socialist friends and not Trump. Ok, Biden may not be a socialist, but you get my drift. I hope you do. Iowa is the least indicative state in the primary season, due to the caucusing structure. I half heartedly agree with you. I do not understand how a bunch of people meet in a barn or gym, or even a house and listen to promoters of the various candidates and then they basically raise there hands and vote for someone and the media and politicians act as it came down from Heaven and the fall election is set. And yet the next state usually negates Iowa's vote then the media claims we have a new winner (prematurely) then South Carolina then Super Tuesday......
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2019 13:01:44 GMT -5
I only waste my time on your current comments. You and your ilk will deny in the future you never liked trump nor voted for him.Bolded. Is this a double negative? Not sure how I answer this one...... Did you mean "ever" instead of never? "You and your ilk"?? That is sort of uncalled for...... Call me a conservative, call me a Trump supporter, call me a hare brained Republican which I am not, but please do not call me an "ilk" Double negative. My error. Harebrained is one word. Feel free to replace 'ilk' with 'kind'.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 13, 2019 13:20:46 GMT -5
Bolded. Is this a double negative? Not sure how I answer this one...... Did you mean "ever" instead of never? "You and your ilk"?? That is sort of uncalled for...... Call me a conservative, call me a Trump supporter, call me a hare brained Republican which I am not, but please do not call me an "ilk" Double negative. My error. Harebrained is one word. Feel free to replace 'ilk' with 'kind'. Originally I wrote hairbrained republican without the spacing and I caught that one! To answer the allegation, I think you know I grate at some of the stuff he does. We use to have a great conversation on how long he would last in the Presidency after he was in office, and he has almost made it as far as I thought he may! I know in your heart you know I would never pull the "I always hated the guy and never voted for him" card. In truth, if the Republicans had someone worthwhile and not a raving leftist running against him, I could see me voting against Trump in the primary. Probably easy to say, but it is the truth. I will also admit at this point since Trump has the nomination, I will vote for him again. And right now, I will just pull an all in and vote straight Republican ticket as my democratic Congressman is part of the coup, and only leaves a couple of Democrats on the county ticket to vote against. I never voted straight ticket, but I am done with democrats in D.C.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 13, 2019 13:26:17 GMT -5
Well, he better wake up! Latest poll from Iowa has Mayor Pete in front with Biden second, then Warren, then Bernie. He has to remember at this point So, you're not going to answerhe is running against his socialist friends and not Trump. Ok, Biden may not be a socialist, but you get my drift. I hope you do. ....and one more with feeling........which candidates want to get rid of all private businesses and have the state own everything? I'll wait. So, you're not going to answer. Just keep throwing ill-informed tropes out there. If your moronic President calls them socialists, then by god, they must be socialists! I can see why Trump likes the poorly educated and ill-informed. They'll swallow anything he feeds them. Sad.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 13:30:21 GMT -5
is this one of those on line "flash polls"?
if so = utterly meaningless.
So tell, the flash polls ask a question, readers respond to it, what is the problem with that! Maybe in a real poll, they ask misleading questions??
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 13:34:23 GMT -5
Microsoft News Poll. How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?
8% Very likely
6% Somewhat Likely
84% Not likely at all
2% Other/not sure.
Yea about the same as who changed their minds over the FBI last minute disclosure about Hillary's emails. IMHO.
I agree that it did create that level of change which was enough in states in which the vote was within 8-14% to change the result of the election. These of course are before any word at the ?? trial?? has been spoken,
8% of very likely, what does that mean? likely to, for or against?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 13:34:38 GMT -5
I don't know of any Trump supporters who thinks he won the popular vote. You and people you know may not think it, but I would bet there are plenty of trump supporters who believe it. In the linked quote below, trump seems to be implying he would have won the popular vote if you deduct all the illegal votes cast for Hillary Clinton: “And when they’re saying all of this stuff, and then those illegals get out and vote, because they vote anyway. Don’t kid yourself,” he said. “Those numbers in California and numerous other states, they’re rigged. They’ve got people voting that shouldn’t be voting. They vote many times, not just twice, not just three times. It’s like a circle. They come back, they put a new hat on. They come back, they put a new shirt on. And in many cases, they don’t even do that. You know what’s going on. It’s a rigged deal.” Yet again, Trump falsely blames illegal voting for getting walloped in CaliforniaOK. I still don't know of any Trump supporters who thinks he won the popular vote.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2019 13:40:48 GMT -5
You and people you know may not think it, but I would bet there are plenty of trump supporters who believe it. In the linked quote below, trump seems to be implying he would have won the popular vote if you deduct all the illegal votes cast for Hillary Clinton: “And when they’re saying all of this stuff, and then those illegals get out and vote, because they vote anyway. Don’t kid yourself,” he said. “Those numbers in California and numerous other states, they’re rigged. They’ve got people voting that shouldn’t be voting. They vote many times, not just twice, not just three times. It’s like a circle. They come back, they put a new hat on. They come back, they put a new shirt on. And in many cases, they don’t even do that. You know what’s going on. It’s a rigged deal.” Yet again, Trump falsely blames illegal voting for getting walloped in CaliforniaOK. I still don't know of any Trump supporters who thinks he won the popular vote. That is true for you. But your circle of acquaintances does not make up the whole United States. You know that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 14:28:19 GMT -5
is this one of those on line "flash polls"?
if so = utterly meaningless.
So tell, the flash polls ask a question, readers respond to it, what is the problem with that! just about everything.
in a flash poll, you have no control over respondents. this leads to all kinds of problems. the first problem is that the same person can respond 10 or 100x, which obviously distorts results. before you say something like "that never happens", it absolutely does. there are bot farms that attack polls to distort them, oc. it is common practice.
the second thing that happens is that it favors people who are on line. this skews the demographic to non-working people or people whose job it is to be online.
finally, there is no adjustment for demographics.
flash polls are meaningless, oc. utterly meaningless. they pretty much NEVER reflect reality. ever.
as to your follow up suggestion, I would urge you to consider how and why pollsters exist. it is not to sway public opinion. it is to survey it. and the ones that do it best make the most money. that is how it works. Trafalgar is making BANK right now because they CORRECTLY called several states that Trump was not expected to win. that is how it is supposed to work. the best pollsters make the most bank, and the worst go extinct.
or become subsidiaries of FOX News....
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 13, 2019 14:37:44 GMT -5
... 8% of very likely, what does that mean? likely to, for or against? Yes. The question was: "How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?" I do not think he should be impeached. But if the hearings reveal significant reason, I will change my mind. Potentially there is someone who currently thinks he should be impeached. The evidence presented at the hearings could change their mind to where he shouldn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 14:43:49 GMT -5
... 8% of very likely, what does that mean? likely to, for or against? Yes. The question was: "How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?" I do not think he should be impeached. But if the hearings reveal significant reason, I will change my mind. Potentially there is someone who currently thinks he should be impeached. The evidence presented at the hearings could change their mind to where he shouldn't. REALLY? THAT WAS THE QUESTION?
what a ridiculous question (if that was the only one asked).
so, if I firmly think that Trump should be impeached and nothing will ever change my mind, I would vote "not likely at all"?
this reminds me of the stupid ObamaCare surveys. they asked if people were happy with the current law, and over half the respondents voted "NO" to that. however, if they were asked if they would like the law strengthened, kept the same, or repealed, almost 2/3 voted in the first two categories.
how people are surveyed is an art. this question is actually more biased than any impeachment poll I have seen.
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Post by Bob Ross on Nov 13, 2019 16:20:54 GMT -5
Yes. The question was: "How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?" I do not think he should be impeached. But if the hearings reveal significant reason, I will change my mind. Potentially there is someone who currently thinks he should be impeached. The evidence presented at the hearings could change their mind to where he shouldn't. REALLY? THAT WAS THE QUESTION?
what a ridiculous question (if that was the only one asked).
so, if I firmly think that Trump should be impeached and nothing will ever change my mind, I would vote "not likely at all"?
this reminds me of the stupid ObamaCare surveys. they asked if people were happy with the current law, and over half the respondents voted "NO" to that. however, if they were asked if they would like the law strengthened, kept the same, or repealed, almost 2/3 voted in the first two categories.
how people are surveyed is an art. this question is actually more biased than any impeachment poll I have seen.
I would've phrased it as such: On a scale of -3 to H, how not not unlikely is it that the thing about the thing will alternatively format the responder's pontifications on ayetherway oray otnay El Presidente Trump impeachez-vous, s'il vous plaît 日同今高 金 freedom fries!
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 13, 2019 18:12:49 GMT -5
Microsoft News Poll. How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?
8% Very likely
6% Somewhat Likely
84% Not likely at all
2% Other/not sure.
Yea about the same as who changed their minds over the FBI last minute disclosure about Hillary's emails. IMHO.
You do realize that (i) it was the Repubs who insisted on holding public hearings) and (ii) most importantly this poll does not ask whether Trump should or should not be impeached. It only asks whether it would change their mind.
Theoretically (though not likely) this poll could be interpreted as 92% of those answering the poll are either (almost) convinced trump should be impeached and the rest of them are still thinking about it . And that is the fallacy of throwing something stupid like this out there to try and convince others of your POV.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 13, 2019 18:23:36 GMT -5
About as scientific as Oldcoyote's posted poll results:
From Andy Borowitz (The New Yorker magazine):
trump wins in a landslide.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:14:34 GMT -5
Yes. The question was: "How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?" I do not think he should be impeached. But if the hearings reveal significant reason, I will change my mind. Potentially there is someone who currently thinks he should be impeached. The evidence presented at the hearings could change their mind to where he shouldn't. REALLY? THAT WAS THE QUESTION?
what a ridiculous question (if that was the only one asked).
so, if I firmly think that Trump should be impeached and nothing will ever change my mind, I would vote "not likely at all"?
this reminds me of the stupid ObamaCare surveys. they asked if people were happy with the current law, and over half the respondents voted "NO" to that. however, if they were asked if they would like the law strengthened, kept the same, or repealed, almost 2/3 voted in the first two categories.
how people are surveyed is an art. this question is actually more biased than any impeachment poll I have seen.
DJ, are you taking time to read this, How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?
8% Very likely Very likely What? If you thought he was guilty. or
You thought he was innocent. Before the hearings.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:15:43 GMT -5
... 8% of very likely, what does that mean? likely to, for or against? Yes. The question was: "How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?" I do not think he should be impeached. But if the hearings reveal significant reason, I will change my mind. Potentially there is someone who currently thinks he should be impeached. The evidence presented at the hearings could change their mind to where he shouldn't. Exactly!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:19:41 GMT -5
So tell, the flash polls ask a question, readers respond to it, what is the problem with that! just about everything.
in a flash poll, you have no control over respondents. this leads to all kinds of problems. the first problem is that the same person can respond 10 or 100x, which obviously distorts results. before you say something like "that never happens", it absolutely does. there are bot farms that attack polls to distort them, oc. it is common practice.
the second thing that happens is that it favors people who are on line. this skews the demographic to non-working people or people whose job it is to be online.
finally, there is no adjustment for demographics.
flash polls are meaningless, oc. utterly meaningless. they pretty much NEVER reflect reality. ever.
as to your follow up suggestion, I would urge you to consider how and why pollsters exist. it is not to sway public opinion. it is to survey it. and the ones that do it best make the most money. that is how it works. Trafalgar is making BANK right now because they CORRECTLY called several states that Trump was not expected to win. that is how it is supposed to work. the best pollsters make the most bank, and the worst go extinct.
or become subsidiaries of FOX News....
you have no control over respondents.
You mean like you poll only known Democrats with Do you think Trump should be removed from office?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 13, 2019 21:21:32 GMT -5
Yes. The question was: "How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?" I do not think he should be impeached. But if the hearings reveal significant reason, I will change my mind. Potentially there is someone who currently thinks he should be impeached. The evidence presented at the hearings could change their mind to where he shouldn't. Exactly! It was an incredibly easy question to answer.
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