New Yorkers right where the government wants them

[ed1066]

It appears New Yorkers are right where their liberal government likes them...totally helpless without government services and entitlements. This is the liberal utopia, people dying in the lobbies of their apartment buildings while waiting for an ambulance to arrive. People stranded at airports, train stations and even imprisoned in their homes because they are too sheep-like to do anything for themselves. Where I live in the foothills our weather is not nearly this severe, but it is a regular occurence for fire trucks, ambulances and other services to get cut off to residents in more remote areas. We deal with it and help ourselves in most cases. Some neighbors recently went without power for 6 days, but they are outdoorspeople and were fine for the duration, despite freezing temperatures at night. The sheeple of NYC are liberal politicians' ideal of the unarmed, helpless and totally dependent veal calf...

Brooklyn resident Annie O'Daly waited more than 30 hours for help after falling and breaking her ankle Sunday night at around 8 p.m., said Jim Leonhardt, her husband. An ambulance didn't arrive until 2:30 a.m. Tuesday. Leonhardt had to help paramedics carry her out onto the unplowed street and over a snowbank.

A blizzard baby delivered inside the lobby of a snowbound Brooklyn building died after an emergency call of a woman in labor brought no help for nine excruciating hours.


Read more: www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/12/29/2010-12-29_help_arrives_too_late_to_save_baby.html#ixzz19WyBsOQi

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101228/ap_on_bi_ge/us_winter_weather

[marshabar1]

Sad when people are trained to stand helpless waiting for hapless Big Brother. Seems like people don't even know they are supposed to dig themselves out.

[magichat]

How do you dig out a metropolis? The snow has to be hauled away and dumped in the river.

[Tennesseer]

That's what happens when you have a republican mayor.

"Oh the humanity."

[sanityjones]

Saw the vid yesterday.........Sad. Funny but sad.

[jkapp]

Dec 29, 2010 14:55:56 GMT -5 @magichat said:

How do you dig out a metropolis? The snow has to be hauled away and dumped in the river.

Maybe they should ask Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, St. Paul/Minneapolis, et al how they do it...

[magichat]

Dec 29, 2010 15:05:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 29, 2010 14:55:56 GMT -5 @magichat said:

How do you dig out a metropolis? The snow has to be hauled away and dumped in the river.

Maybe they should ask Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, St. Paul/Minneapolis, et al how they do it...

What happened to Minneapolis after the last storm? The place shutdown and they aren't anywhere near as concentrated as NY. But please explain further how peopel in NY should not wait for the heavy equipment and dig themselves out?

[marshabar1]

Maybe every American should be forced to live in the middle of Alaska for one year before they are allowed to have children or apply for gummint gimmes. That'll man a person up. (edit)

[magichat]

Dec 29, 2010 15:09:02 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

Maybe every American should be forced to live in the middle of Alaska for one year before they are allowed to have children or apply for gummint gimmes. That'll man a person up.

Do you always wish to remove more freedoms from the people?

[marshabar1]

Dec 29, 2010 15:08:33 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Dec 29, 2010 15:05:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Maybe they should ask Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, St. Paul/Minneapolis, et al how they do it...

What happened to Minneapolis after the last storm? The place shutdown and they aren't anywhere near as concentrated as NY. But please explain further how peopel in NY should not wait for the heavy equipment and dig themselves out?

You're right, jkapp. It's hard in the city. I remember when I was a little girl we had snow drifts up to the eaves and by the time the snow melted the path to the street was enclosed by high walls of snow on both sides. But the streets were cleared by the city and plenty of people had plows for their trucks.

The thing with snow is you have to keep shoveling every day, sometimes more than once or twice.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 29, 2010 15:05:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 29, 2010 14:55:56 GMT -5 @magichat said:

How do you dig out a metropolis? The snow has to be hauled away and dumped in the river.

Maybe they should ask Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, St. Paul/Minneapolis, et al how they do it...

When Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, St. Paul/Minneapolis, et al have the same metropolitan population and infrastructure as NYC, I am sure they will.

[jkapp]

Dec 29, 2010 15:08:33 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Dec 29, 2010 15:05:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Maybe they should ask Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, St. Paul/Minneapolis, et al how they do it...

What happened to Minneapolis after the last storm? The place shutdown and they aren't anywhere near as concentrated as NY. But please explain further how peopel in NY should not wait for the heavy equipment and dig themselves out?

And how many died waiting for ambulances there?

These cities are setup the same: grids, sidewalks, streets, cars lined up and down...the difference is the experience between the people actually clearing the steets. You clear a path in the middle of the street for emergency vehicles, clear the sidewalks (this is the responsibility of homeowners and business owners - I know, that ugly liberal four letter word "responsibility" popping its head up again), and THEN work on getting the snow packed up and relocated to a site. In many parts of the city, two way streets now become one way streets until they get fully cleared (although its best to tell people to stay off the roads)...if NY had any type of plan for such things then maybe it wouldn't have been such a disaster.

So much for disaster planning...I guess the only disasters they planned for had to do with Muslim extremists???

[Value Buy]

Dec 29, 2010 15:05:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 29, 2010 14:55:56 GMT -5 @magichat said:

How do you dig out a metropolis? The snow has to be hauled away and dumped in the river.

Maybe they should ask Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, St. Paul/Minneapolis, et al how they do it...

Heh Heh
Back around 1967, Chicago received about 36 inches of snow. The city was paralyzed for days. In fairness, the entire Midwest was paralyzed for days.
It cost the Chicago Mayor the next election and gave Chicago their first female Mayor-Jane Byrne, who turned out to be an even worse disaster than the snowstorm.

[magichat]

Dec 29, 2010 15:29:54 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 29, 2010 15:08:33 GMT -5 @magichat said:

What happened to Minneapolis after the last storm? The place shutdown and they aren't anywhere near as concentrated as NY. But please explain further how peopel in NY should not wait for the heavy equipment and dig themselves out?

And how many died waiting for ambulances there?

These cities are setup the same: grids, sidewalks, streets, cars lined up and down...the difference is the experience between the people actually clearing the steets. You clear a path in the middle of the street for emergency vehicles, clear the sidewalks (this is the responsibility of homeowners and business owners - I know, that ugly liberal four letter word "responsibility" popping its head up again), and THEN work on getting the snow packed up and relocated to a site. In many parts of the city, two way streets now become one way streets until they get fully cleared (although its best to tell people to stay off the roads)...if NY had any type of plan for such things then maybe it wouldn't have been such a disaster.

So much for disaster planning...I guess the only disasters they planned for had to do with Muslim extremists???

Instead of addressing this example, because I think you failed to include population density in your reply. I will point out that those in rural country don't fare much better in major blizzard conditions.

In the Blizzard of 1949, the Air Force was called out to drop hay to cattle throughout the plains areas as farmers were unable to get to there livestock.

www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe40s/life_30.html

[ed1066]

But please explain further how peopel in NY should not wait for the heavy equipment and dig themselves out?

Shovels? It seems personal responsibility has been abdicated in NYC in favor of total dependence on and servitude to the government. As I said, exactly how the liberals like it...

[gmarius77]

So now the snowstorm is part of a nefarious government plot to enslave the people?

[jkapp]

Dec 29, 2010 16:02:05 GMT -5 @gmarius77 said:

So now the snowstorm is part of a nefarious government plot to enslave the people?

No it just highlights it...

[magichat]

Dec 29, 2010 15:58:55 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

But please explain further how peopel in NY should not wait for the heavy equipment and dig themselves out?

Shovels? It seems personal responsibility has been abdicated in NYC in favor of total dependence on and servitude to the government. As I said, exactly how the liberals like it...

If that is your opinion then you don't think very highly of the farmers and ranchers that depended on the government during the blizzard of 1949, which is quite sad actually.

[ed1066]

Everything is bigger in NYC.

Including the entitlement complexes, it seems...but it's hard to blame the residents, they have been conditioned by lifetimes of liberal government enslavement tactics to be little more than veal calves awaiting slaughter...

[gmarius77]

Dec 29, 2010 16:11:54 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 29, 2010 16:02:05 GMT -5 @gmarius77 said:

No it just highlights it...

The states and localities are hurting big time and next year will probably be even worse as state, county, and city budgets get slashed to the bone. This is what fiscal austerity means in real life terms. Ain't it grand?

[magichat]

So Ed no commentary on the 1949 Blizzard?

[Value Buy]

Dec 29, 2010 16:17:21 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

But please explain further how peopel in NY should not wait for the heavy equipment and dig themselves out?



Shovels? It seems personal responsibility has been abdicated in NYC in favor of total dependence on and servitude to the government.

Shovels??? Shovels???
Hahahahahahah aaaha
We are talking about a major world city. You can't just piddle your pile of snow by the door. Your stoop leads to the sidewalk, which leads to the street which leads to the thoroughfare. Outside of Central freaking Park there is nowhere to put the snow.
Even podunk cities like Portland, Maine face this issue. Everything is bigger in NYC.

Deminmaine, they it in the river with all the mobsters.

[Tennesseer]

magichat-one of the nice things about these boards is that under the poster's name it tells us whether they are on or offline. So it's a good possibility he is offline.

[Tennesseer]

Thanks Valuebuy.

[Value Buy]

Dec 29, 2010 16:57:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

valuebuy-edit your post about Italians please. If you meant the mafia, then say so.

I did not think about the "word" I used.

[Tennesseer]

No problem.

[Value Buy]

Dec 29, 2010 16:56:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

magichat-one of the nice things about these boards is that under the poster's name it tells us whether they are on or offline. So it's a good possibility he is offline.

Tennesseer, we can post in secret-we can go into our profile, and say "no" to the question about whether we want posters to know we are online.
Only the all knowing moderators are capable to spot us during that time.
Other than the fact, when you post, everyone knows you are there anyway

[Deleted]

Geez-- same old control issues... laughable.

I am wondering.. about the baby story---- Hey, I have 5 of them. Any chance anyone else in the building had ever given birth?? Or was just human enough to come offer a hand?? It's pretty weird to me that some one in the building could not help the woman, if she was not able to help herself other than dialing 911 and waiting for a response. We would not even exist if pioneer women had not had the wherewithall to push those babies out in whatever kind of circumstance. Poor New Yorkers-- thinking the gov't will handle 100% of all that ails them.

[deziloooooo]

"Maybe they should ask Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, St. Paul/Minneapolis, et al how they do it... " Lets see, Chicago...on the great lakes i believe, use to the big snow drops and the freezing temperatires, same for detroit and definitly st. paul. MINN... more so then New York.
I remember when Connecticut got hit with a hugh Nor Easter, Ella Grasso the new 1stt ime Governor closed the state legallyy so the plows could work unhampered..some criticism but it made her reputation and she then had a run till struck down by Cancer..a very populer Governor..
Cities are fragile placs..cars are parked on the streets..Boston, the streets so many . smaller ones are basically where the cows went , narrow, some times not clear on a bad winter till spring..snow finally melts.
New York, City a different kind of cat...don't be so quick with the dissing if one has never spent tim,e there and there are millions of conservatives living there, just not as many from the other side.

[ed1066]

Ed, have you ever even been to NYC?

Many times, most recently on St. Patrick's Day 2010 for the parade (and work, a happy coincidence). It struck me then as it does now that without the myriad government services and entitlements in place there, the city would completely cease to function. There are two reasons for this IMO, the first being that there are simply WAY too many people living in too small an area, and the second reason is that most of those people have become accustomed to being cared for by the government rather than taking a personal responsibility and stake in their own well-being...precisely the point I make in the OP, and precisely the way the Democrats who have long controlled New York City like it. And before you tiresomely mention Bloomberg again, remember that he is, in every way but name, a Democrat...