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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 10, 2020 15:46:51 GMT -5
well that was a pretty solid "fuck you." I thought so too. More people need to say this to him.
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Post by dondub on Jun 10, 2020 16:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 10, 2020 16:48:53 GMT -5
The funny thing is, by suing them he would invite more publicity, and make it look like he is afraid of the poll. If it is wrong, then who cares. But it makes it look like it is correct by his actions. Just trying to bully them, but the have the first amendment behind them.As long as they have some sort of statistics behind the poll, they are golden.
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Post by dondub on Jun 10, 2020 16:55:54 GMT -5
The funny thing is, by suing them he would invite more publicity, and make it look like he is afraid of the poll. If it is wrong, then who cares. But it makes it look like it is correct by his actions. Just trying to bully them, but the have the first amendment behind them.As long as they have some sort of statistics behind the poll, they are golden. THEY are golden. HE is golden showers.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 10, 2020 17:08:10 GMT -5
What I would love is the guy who got pushed in Buffalo suing tRump for defamation and spreading lies. Can they do that?
tRump’s twitter response to this event was pretty reprehensible.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 10, 2020 17:15:49 GMT -5
What I would love is the guy who got pushed in Buffalo suing tRump for defamation and spreading lies. Can they do that? tRump’s twitter response to this event was pretty reprehensible. Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @oann I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up? Weasel words. President Trump is a pro.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 10, 2020 17:27:10 GMT -5
What I would love is the guy who got pushed in Buffalo suing tRump for defamation and spreading lies. Can they do that? tRump’s twitter response to this event was pretty reprehensible. Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @oann I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up? Weasel words. President Trump is a pro. I have to disagree with you. trump is not a pro, he is a natural born weasel (with apologies to the other mustelids in the world)
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Post by tallguy on Jun 10, 2020 17:35:49 GMT -5
Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @oann I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up? Weasel words. President Trump is a pro. I have to disagree with you. trump is not a pro, he is a natural born weasel (with apologies to the other mustelids in the world) No. As weasels go, Trump is definitely not an amateur.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 10, 2020 22:10:41 GMT -5
And then there is this....
"They mentioned on Morning Joe (I think) that the campaign did a $400,000+ ad buy in DC. Or as Scarborough said - the highly contested state of DC."
For you folks who give money to his campaign or bought your very own MAGA hat - this was $400,000+ ad buy with YOUR MONEY in a location that HAS NO ELECTORAL VOTES and was to prop up Bunker Boy.
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Post by justme on Jun 10, 2020 23:55:25 GMT -5
The funny thing is, by suing them he would invite more publicity, and make it look like he is afraid of the poll. If it is wrong, then who cares. But it makes it look like it is correct by his actions. Just trying to bully them, but the have the first amendment behind them.As long as they have some sort of statistics behind the poll, they are golden. It's even worse. The polls WERE wrong last time. They said he was going to lose and he still won. Why would he be afraid of them now? Either he thinks they're true or it's just 100% pure ego because there's no way in the world he could ever plug the "underdog shtick" now that he's currently in office.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 11, 2020 9:20:39 GMT -5
So Trump is going nuts with the bad poll numbers and may or may not be threatening to can Brad Parscale and even golden boy Kushner. The best way to cheer himself up is to start having his big rallies again, maybe as early as next week.
Not a problem since trump single handedly defeated Covid, right?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 11, 2020 9:23:04 GMT -5
I would laugh my ass off if Kushner got the boot.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 11, 2020 10:19:46 GMT -5
I would laugh my ass off if Kushner got the boot. He won’t get the boot.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 11, 2020 12:01:38 GMT -5
well that was a pretty solid "fuck you." Fuck you, and the McLaughlin you rode in on.
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Post by swamp on Jun 11, 2020 12:14:12 GMT -5
And then there is this.... "They mentioned on Morning Joe (I think) that the campaign did a $400,000+ ad buy in DC. Or as Scarborough said - the highly contested state of DC." For you folks who give money to his campaign or bought your very own MAGA hat - this was $400,000+ ad buy with YOUR MONEY in a location that HAS NO ELECTORAL VOTES and was to prop up Bunker Boy. DC is a state? Huh. Weird. you learn something new every day.
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Post by Opti on Jun 11, 2020 14:54:00 GMT -5
The funny thing is, by suing them he would invite more publicity, and make it look like he is afraid of the poll. If it is wrong, then who cares. But it makes it look like it is correct by his actions. Just trying to bully them, but the have the first amendment behind them.As long as they have some sort of statistics behind the poll, they are golden. It's even worse. The polls WERE wrong last time. They said he was going to lose and he still won. Why would he be afraid of them now? Either he thinks they're true or it's just 100% pure ego because there's no way in the world he could ever plug the "underdog shtick" now that he's currently in office. The polls are like handicapping horses. They do not say who will win or lose, they just give odds on winning. No poll said Trump could not would not win.
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Post by pooks on Jun 12, 2020 20:28:07 GMT -5
Still not getting a great feeling about election 2020. DH and I talked to our respective fathers today, both 65+ and Obama/Trump voters. They live in different states, but both said the same exact thing "I can't vote for Biden." Neither watch the news, so they get their "news" from the friends they hang out with. It was weirdly like talking to the same person, Biden is too old and an idiot, according to them. They were completely unshakable.
I still don't know 1 Trump 2016 voter, who doesn't plan to vote Trump 2020. I know there are Dems, who stayed home and new voters, I just wish I saw, IRL, some Trump/Biden voters.
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Post by Opti on Jun 12, 2020 22:48:05 GMT -5
Biden is 77 and Trump is 73. How old are they?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 13, 2020 0:09:49 GMT -5
The funny thing is, by suing them he would invite more publicity, and make it look like he is afraid of the poll. If it is wrong, then who cares. But it makes it look like it is correct by his actions. Just trying to bully them, but the have the first amendment behind them.As long as they have some sort of statistics behind the poll, they are golden. It's even worse. The polls WERE wrong last time. They said he was going to lose and he still won. Why would he be afraid of them now? Either he thinks they're true or it's just 100% pure ego because there's no way in the world he could ever plug the "underdog shtick" now that he's currently in office. which polls were wrong?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 13, 2020 0:11:40 GMT -5
And then there is this.... "They mentioned on Morning Joe (I think) that the campaign did a $400,000+ ad buy in DC. Or as Scarborough said - the highly contested state of DC." For you folks who give money to his campaign or bought your very own MAGA hat - this was $400,000+ ad buy with YOUR MONEY in a location that HAS NO ELECTORAL VOTES and was to prop up Bunker Boy. DC is a state? Huh. Weird. you learn something new every day. it is not contested in any way, either. so, yeah, this is crazy talk.
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Post by justme on Jun 13, 2020 0:13:27 GMT -5
It's even worse. The polls WERE wrong last time. They said he was going to lose and he still won. Why would he be afraid of them now? Either he thinks they're true or it's just 100% pure ego because there's no way in the world he could ever plug the "underdog shtick" now that he's currently in office. which polls were wrong? The ones saying Clinton would win. I believe most were within the margin of error though. No idea on the specific ones and don't care enough to look em up, but I do remember seeing ones to that effect. Also couldn't tell you the split on polls overall ABC's where they fell.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 13, 2020 0:27:01 GMT -5
The ones saying Clinton would win. I believe most were within the margin of error though. No idea on the specific ones and don't care enough to look em up, but I do remember seeing ones to that effect. Also couldn't tell you the split on polls overall ABC's where they fell. there were no polls that said "Clinton would win". there were polls that said she would win the national vote. in fact, all but one did. and she won the national vote.
the polling at RCP said she would win the national vote by 3.2%, and she won by 2.1%. so, yeah, the polling was off by 1.1%. and that was a respectable, accurate result.
for example, the 2012 polls were off by 3.2%. the 2008 polls? 0.3%. that was a good one. in 2004, the polls were off by 0.9%.
so, the polling is usually off by about 1%, and it probably will be off by 1% this time.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 13, 2020 0:59:44 GMT -5
The ones saying Clinton would win. I believe most were within the margin of error though. No idea on the specific ones and don't care enough to look em up, but I do remember seeing ones to that effect. Also couldn't tell you the split on polls overall ABC's where they fell. there were no polls that said "Clinton would win". there were polls that said she would win the national vote. in fact, all but one did. and she won the national vote.
the polling at RCP said she would win the national vote by 3.2%, and she won by 2.1%. so, yeah, the polling was off by 1.1%. and that was a respectable, accurate result.
for example, the 2012 polls were off by 3.2%. the 2008 polls? 0.3%. that was a good one. in 2004, the polls were off by 0.9%.
so, the polling is usually off by about 1%, and it probably will be off by 1% this time.
As I recall, of those 13 or so polling companies the only poll that had Trump winning the national vote was the least accurate of all. They missed the actual voting results by the largest margin of any. If a poll is designed to measure the national popular vote, you measure their accuracy by how closely they mirror the national popular vote. It is only the Trump apologists who continually claim that "the polls were wrong."
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 13, 2020 1:05:01 GMT -5
there were no polls that said "Clinton would win". there were polls that said she would win the national vote. in fact, all but one did. and she won the national vote.
the polling at RCP said she would win the national vote by 3.2%, and she won by 2.1%. so, yeah, the polling was off by 1.1%. and that was a respectable, accurate result.
for example, the 2012 polls were off by 3.2%. the 2008 polls? 0.3%. that was a good one. in 2004, the polls were off by 0.9%.
so, the polling is usually off by about 1%, and it probably will be off by 1% this time.
As I recall, of those 13 or so polling companies the only poll that had Trump winning the national vote was the least accurate of all. They missed the actual voting results by the largest margin of any. If a poll is designed to measure the national popular vote, you measure their accuracy by how closely they mirror the national popular vote. It is only the Trump apologists who continually claim that "the polls were wrong." yes. that was the LA Times poll. it had an atrocious defect in it. not only did it oversample an outlier, but it used the same oversample in every poll.
it is a case study in how NOT to do a poll. I can post an article on it, if anyone is as nerdy about this stuff as I am.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 13, 2020 18:52:52 GMT -5
Trumps approval numbers are approaching an 18 month low.
Biden's head to head numbers are his highest this year (8.1% average). this is an exact match to the Generic Ballot.
the Generic ballot was +1.2% Democrat in 2016. this followed the popular vote pretty closely then, when Clinton won the popular vote by 2.1%
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 13, 2020 20:33:30 GMT -5
And then there is this.... "They mentioned on Morning Joe (I think) that the campaign did a $400,000+ ad buy in DC. Or as Scarborough said - the highly contested state of DC." For you folks who give money to his campaign or bought your very own MAGA hat - this was $400,000+ ad buy with YOUR MONEY in a location that HAS NO ELECTORAL VOTES and was to prop up Bunker Boy. DC is a state? Huh. Weird. you learn something new every day. That was the whole point Swamp...DC isn't a state & has no electoral votes but some dummy in DT's campaign blew $400,000 on ads there. I really doubt that anyone who works there & lives elsewhere is an undecided voter either.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 13, 2020 21:07:43 GMT -5
DC is a state? Huh. Weird. you learn something new every day. That was the whole point Swamp...DC isn't a state & has no electoral votes but some dummy in DT's campaign blew $400,000 on ads there. I really doubt that anyone who works there & lives elsewhere is an undecided voter either. Let that dummy keep doing that.
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Post by justme on Jun 13, 2020 22:31:46 GMT -5
The ones saying Clinton would win. I believe most were within the margin of error though. No idea on the specific ones and don't care enough to look em up, but I do remember seeing ones to that effect. Also couldn't tell you the split on polls overall ABC's where they fell. there were no polls that said "Clinton would win". there were polls that said she would win the national vote. in fact, all but one did. and she won the national vote.
the polling at RCP said she would win the national vote by 3.2%, and she won by 2.1%. so, yeah, the polling was off by 1.1%. and that was a respectable, accurate result.
for example, the 2012 polls were off by 3.2%. the 2008 polls? 0.3%. that was a good one. in 2004, the polls were off by 0.9%.
so, the polling is usually off by about 1%, and it probably will be off by 1% this time.
Ah, never realized the polls were only dealing with the popular vote exclusively. Well that's really stupid of the companies to run polls only on national vote considering the national vote isn't what decides. Yes, I realize that the track record is that national vote follows electoral a huge proportion of time if you go back decades, but considering it hasn't twice in the last 20 years doesn't give much current faith in it. Not being correct in 2 of the last 5 presidential races is not a good record.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 13, 2020 22:52:05 GMT -5
there were no polls that said "Clinton would win". there were polls that said she would win the national vote. in fact, all but one did. and she won the national vote.
the polling at RCP said she would win the national vote by 3.2%, and she won by 2.1%. so, yeah, the polling was off by 1.1%. and that was a respectable, accurate result.
for example, the 2012 polls were off by 3.2%. the 2008 polls? 0.3%. that was a good one. in 2004, the polls were off by 0.9%.
so, the polling is usually off by about 1%, and it probably will be off by 1% this time.
Ah, never realized the polls were only dealing with the popular vote exclusively. Well that's really stupid of the companies to run polls only on national vote considering the national vote isn't what decides. Yes, I realize that the track record is that national vote follows electoral a huge proportion of time if you go back decades, but considering it hasn't twice in the last 20 years doesn't give much current faith in it. Not being correct in 2 of the last 5 presidential races is not a good record. yeah, you are right. we should get rid of the Electoral College.
that would fix the problem.
either that, or we should recognize that our votes don't generally mean a damned thing in terms of national elections.
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Post by justme on Jun 13, 2020 23:19:35 GMT -5
Ah, never realized the polls were only dealing with the popular vote exclusively. Well that's really stupid of the companies to run polls only on national vote considering the national vote isn't what decides. Yes, I realize that the track record is that national vote follows electoral a huge proportion of time if you go back decades, but considering it hasn't twice in the last 20 years doesn't give much current faith in it. Not being correct in 2 of the last 5 presidential races is not a good record. yeah, you are right. we should get rid of the Electoral College.
that would fix the problem.
either that, or we should recognize that our votes don't generally mean a damned thing in terms of national elections.
Yea, in some ways I "get" why there's an electoral college the more I think about it the more I think the biggest argument I hear for it (to prevent rule of majority ignoring the minority) could 1) be satisfied by the Senate and Congress and 2) like fuck most of those in office are listening to either unless you count lobbies as a minority. I think it made sense to use at the time being the country was small and the technology at the time - we have the ability to count every vote now and I don't think they ever foresaw the US becoming as big as it is.
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