Poster child for the new far left is at it again.

[countrygirl2]

The repubs are making her famous, they are so afraid of anything new and progressive.

[Value Buy]

Jan 12, 2019 19:21:59 GMT -5 mroped said:

Jan 12, 2019 12:05:58 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

www.ncsl.org/research/immigration/snapshot-of-u-s-immigration-2017.aspx

A little over a million legal immigrants a year.

Ok it’s 76000 not 50000 and that’s because some Diversity Lottery Visas are married and some have minor children too.
Yes, there are a million but legally following a set up standard procedure are just those 76000(due again to marriage and children) that are processed through legal channels.
Employement visas are given just upon request from companies. Can be for waiters or house service or atomic physicists. Due to their conditions of employement durring their contract in US they do not pay SS taxes, Medicare etc. neither does their employer for them.
If the company so desires and consider the individual valuable for their business then they help them get their status turn towards residency.
Asylee need to be in US at a Port of entry to apply for asylum, are being arrested, held in detention and processed. Depending on the circumstances they are approved or denied.
This group like all others are not part of a legal set up process for lawful immigration in US.

If we would have a proper system then all that million or so should be processed outside US and when they come they are already legal residents in processing for citizenship.
Family reunification is mostly due to those approved through asylum request and as part of Geneva Convention we have to facilitate that. Valid for legal spouse or children underage.
Unless Ofcourse you have some pull in high places and can bring your mom and dad!🙈

So again, I stand by my claim: 50000!

We need to fix the system not a damned wall!

so a milion legal immigrants do not count because you disagree with who they are. Okay, but it is still a million.

[mroped]

Ok, I’ll play along!
I’m saying that our system allows just 50000 cases to be legally processed for permanent residency in US. You are saying that is a million.
I thought you are against people entering illegaly the US or am I wrong?
You do understand that in order to apply for asylum one needs to be physically present on US land right? But being on US land without prior approval makes you illegal doesn’t it?
Maybe if we would increase the number to 200 or 300000 instead of 50000 we would have a reason to say “no illegal immigration” 
Also why do we need to “import” intelligence and skill?
Those shouldn’t even be on th enlist of “legally emigrated” to US. They come here to serve the interest of some people or corporations and not in pursuit of “life and liberty”
I was under the impression that most conservatives value those but I guess they do just when it refers to them personally and no one else!

[Value Buy]

Jan 13, 2019 17:49:12 GMT -5 mroped said:

Ok, I’ll play along!
I’m saying that our system allows just 50000 cases to be legally processed for permanent residency in US. You are saying that is a million.
I thought you are against people entering illegaly the US or am I wrong?
You do understand that in order to apply for asylum one needs to be physically present on US land right? But being on US land without prior approval makes you illegal doesn’t it?
Maybe if we would increase the number to 200 or 300000 instead of 50000 we would have a reason to say “no illegal immigration” 
Also why do we need to “import” intelligence and skill?
Those shouldn’t even be on th enlist of “legally emigrated” to US. They come here to serve the interest of some people or corporations and not in pursuit of “life and liberty”
I was under the impression that most conservatives value those but I guess they do just when it refers to them personally and no one else!

Anyone can apply for asylum at any of our Embassies in their own country. Yes, I realize this is difficult to do and improbable. 
They also can apply for asylum at a point of entry into our country. Legally. The fact you have thousands of people rushing the point of entry presents a problem of logistics on our part. Quite frankly no country is set up to document thousands of asylum seekers properly. Hell, it is no different than going to your local grocery store at the height of a snow storm or hurricane. You will not be serviced in an adequate time frame, if at all.
Crossing the border just anywhere and turning your self and crying Asylum" is not the correct legal way to do it. 

[mroped]

Asking for asylum at an embassy or consulate is for extreme measures only. That’s what you seen in movies but in real life doesn’t happen.
Yes, no country is equipped to deal with a massive influx of asylum requests like we have now but when you have it all you need is trained personnel to process. I don’t believe there is such a thing as “processing wall”.

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 13, 2019 22:23:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 13, 2019 17:49:12 GMT -5 mroped said:

Ok, I’ll play along!
I’m saying that our system allows just 50000 cases to be legally processed for permanent residency in US. You are saying that is a million.
I thought you are against people entering illegaly the US or am I wrong?
You do understand that in order to apply for asylum one needs to be physically present on US land right? But being on US land without prior approval makes you illegal doesn’t it?
Maybe if we would increase the number to 200 or 300000 instead of 50000 we would have a reason to say “no illegal immigration” 
Also why do we need to “import” intelligence and skill?
Those shouldn’t even be on th enlist of “legally emigrated” to US. They come here to serve the interest of some people or corporations and not in pursuit of “life and liberty”
I was under the impression that most conservatives value those but I guess they do just when it refers to them personally and no one else!

Anyone can apply for asylum at any of our Embassies in their own country. Yes, I realize this is difficult to do and improbable. 
They also can apply for asylum at a point of entry into our country. Legally. The fact you have thousands of people rushing the point of entry presents a problem of logistics on our part. Quite frankly no country is set up to document thousands of asylum seekers properly. Hell, it is no different than going to your local grocery store at the height of a snow storm or hurricane. You will not be serviced in an adequate time frame, if at all.
Crossing the border just anywhere and turning your self and crying Asylum" is not the correct legal way to do it. 

Actually it IS possible to do it and to do it efficiently and humanely. Ever been to Ellis Island? At one point, they processed 13,000 people in ONE DAY.  You have to have the will to do it and this administration doesn’t want to do it.

[Value Buy]

Jan 13, 2019 23:19:34 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Jan 13, 2019 22:23:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Anyone can apply for asylum at any of our Embassies in their own country. Yes, I realize this is difficult to do and improbable. 
They also can apply for asylum at a point of entry into our country. Legally. The fact you have thousands of people rushing the point of entry presents a problem of logistics on our part. Quite frankly no country is set up to document thousands of asylum seekers properly. Hell, it is no different than going to your local grocery store at the height of a snow storm or hurricane. You will not be serviced in an adequate time frame, if at all.
Crossing the border just anywhere and turning your self and crying Asylum" is not the correct legal way to do it. 

Actually it IS possible to do it and to do it efficiently and humanely. Ever been to Ellis Island? At one point, they processed 13,000 people in ONE DAY.  You have to have the will to do it and this administration doesn’t want to do it.

One location for the entire world to disembark by boat at a pace our government controlled. And if they did not want you, you did not get off the island.........history also shows it was not as humane as our citizens thought, and would never stand up to scrutiny today. Even then, many had papers and documents from the home country. We have several point of entries on the southern border. Maybe close all entries and only have one for visa/ asylum seekers and build a holding facility at that point of entry for all immigrants for immediate processing and vetting. Another impossible task due to multiple points of entry.

[happyhoix]

Jan 13, 2019 22:23:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 13, 2019 17:49:12 GMT -5 mroped said:

Ok, I’ll play along!
I’m saying that our system allows just 50000 cases to be legally processed for permanent residency in US. You are saying that is a million.
I thought you are against people entering illegaly the US or am I wrong?
You do understand that in order to apply for asylum one needs to be physically present on US land right? But being on US land without prior approval makes you illegal doesn’t it?
Maybe if we would increase the number to 200 or 300000 instead of 50000 we would have a reason to say “no illegal immigration” 
Also why do we need to “import” intelligence and skill?
Those shouldn’t even be on th enlist of “legally emigrated” to US. They come here to serve the interest of some people or corporations and not in pursuit of “life and liberty”
I was under the impression that most conservatives value those but I guess they do just when it refers to them personally and no one else!

Anyone can apply for asylum at any of our Embassies in their own country. Yes, I realize this is difficult to do and improbable. 
They also can apply for asylum at a point of entry into our country. Legally. The fact you have thousands of people rushing the point of entry presents a problem of logistics on our part. Quite frankly no country is set up to document thousands of asylum seekers properly. Hell, it is no different than going to your local grocery store at the height of a snow storm or hurricane. You will not be serviced in an adequate time frame, if at all.
Crossing the border just anywhere and turning your self and crying Asylum" is not the correct legal way to do it. 

So you know the legal and correct way to flee a failed government and the drug lords that have overwhelmed your country and have threatened to kill your kids if they don't agree to come work for them?

Do tell.

We're fortunate in this country. Very fortunate. And I think that's made us blind to what it's like to live in a hell hole.

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 14, 2019 7:38:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 13, 2019 23:19:34 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Actually it IS possible to do it and to do it efficiently and humanely. Ever been to Ellis Island? At one point, they processed 13,000 people in ONE DAY.  You have to have the will to do it and this administration doesn’t want to do it.

One location for the entire world to disembark by boat at a pace our government controlled. And if they did not want you, you did not get off the island.........history also shows it was not as humane as our citizens thought, and would never stand up to scrutiny today. Even then, many had papers and documents from the home country. We have several point of entries on the southern border. Maybe close all entries and only have one for visa/ asylum seekers and build a holding facility at that point of entry for all immigrants for immediate processing and vetting. Another impossible task due to multiple points of entry.

It was not the SOLE port of entry. It was the major one.

They did not separate families and cage children. Apparently you think it is humane to throw toddlers into cages for weeks?

Many of the current adylum seekers DO have papers and documentation.  Another fact that you seem to ignore.

What is lacking is the will of an administration to do the ethical thing instead of demonizing and tear gassing refugees. 

[hurley1980]

Jan 10, 2019 15:49:04 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Jan 10, 2019 15:41:59 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Please show me any male Freshman Congress person who has made as many outrageous statements, or even a single outlandish statement, rivaling her's and I will say HE needs a babysitter.

How about our Freshman President? He's the most outrageous/outlandish one of all! 

I'm still waiting on an answer to this post.....

[Tennesseer]

[Value Buy]

Jan 14, 2019 11:43:26 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 13, 2019 22:23:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Anyone can apply for asylum at any of our Embassies in their own country. Yes, I realize this is difficult to do and improbable. 
They also can apply for asylum at a point of entry into our country. Legally. The fact you have thousands of people rushing the point of entry presents a problem of logistics on our part. Quite frankly no country is set up to document thousands of asylum seekers properly. Hell, it is no different than going to your local grocery store at the height of a snow storm or hurricane. You will not be serviced in an adequate time frame, if at all.
Crossing the border just anywhere and turning your self and crying Asylum" is not the correct legal way to do it. 

So you know the legal and correct way to flee a failed government and the drug lords that have overwhelmed your country and have threatened to kill your kids if they don't agree to come work for them?

Do tell.

We're fortunate in this country. Very fortunate. And I think that's made us blind to what it's like to live in a hell hole.

If Honduras and Mexico are such hell holes, why are so many Canadians and American citizens moving there?
Does robbery, rape and murder only affect the local citizens?

[Tennesseer]

Jan 14, 2019 16:15:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 14, 2019 11:43:26 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So you know the legal and correct way to flee a failed government and the drug lords that have overwhelmed your country and have threatened to kill your kids if they don't agree to come work for them?

Do tell.

We're fortunate in this country. Very fortunate. And I think that's made us blind to what it's like to live in a hell hole.

If Honduras and Mexico are such hell holes, why are so many Canadians and American citizens moving there?
Does robbery, rape and murder only affect the local citizens?

Gated communities and security guards? Just a thought.

[happyhoix]

Jan 14, 2019 16:15:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 14, 2019 11:43:26 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So you know the legal and correct way to flee a failed government and the drug lords that have overwhelmed your country and have threatened to kill your kids if they don't agree to come work for them?

Do tell.

We're fortunate in this country. Very fortunate. And I think that's made us blind to what it's like to live in a hell hole.

If Honduras and Mexico are such hell holes, why are so many Canadians and American citizens moving there?
Does robbery, rape and murder only affect the local citizens?

 

Let me state the obvious - every country has a vested interest in keeping the touristy/upscale areas low crime areas, but they're less motivated to remove the gang activity from the poor areas.

Honduras is one of the top five countries for violence. Sounds like a hell hole to me - unless you are wealthy enough to lived in a walled enclave, in which case, you're not likely to join a caravan, are you?

 fortune.com/2018/11/23/honduras-migrant-caravan-border-violence/

 

[weltschmerz]

Jan 14, 2019 16:15:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 14, 2019 11:43:26 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So you know the legal and correct way to flee a failed government and the drug lords that have overwhelmed your country and have threatened to kill your kids if they don't agree to come work for them?

Do tell.

We're fortunate in this country. Very fortunate. And I think that's made us blind to what it's like to live in a hell hole.

If Honduras and Mexico are such hell holes, why are so many Canadians and American citizens moving there?
Does robbery, rape and murder only affect the local citizens?

So many? How many?

[weltschmerz]

I know plenty of Canadians who go to Mexico, Honduras, and Cuba, but for VACATION, when it's minus 40 here.
They stay at resorts. Gated resorts are pretty safe.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 14, 2019 17:41:21 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 14, 2019 16:15:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If Honduras and Mexico are such hell holes, why are so many Canadians and American citizens moving there?
Does robbery, rape and murder only affect the local citizens?

So many? How many?

good question. i don't know of any.

confession: Mexico made my long list, but only because i was looking (and technically still AM) at Ensenada, which is just down the road from San Diego, where one of my businesses is based.

[thyme4change]

We had an office in one of the violent countries. We sent a US citizen down to run the place and paid for 24 hour security guards, plus an enforced vehicle and driver.

[NastyWoman]

Jan 14, 2019 16:15:15 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

 it has frozen over

[weltschmerz]

Jan 14, 2019 19:05:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 14, 2019 17:41:21 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

So many? How many?

good question. i don't know of any.

confession: Mexico made my long list, but only because i was looking (and technically still AM) at Ensenada, which is just down the road from San Diego, where one of my businesses is based.

I don't know of any, either.
VB made the claim...it's up to him to substantiate it. But he won't.

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 14, 2019 20:11:22 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 14, 2019 19:05:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

good question. i don't know of any.

confession: Mexico made my long list, but only because i was looking (and technically still AM) at Ensenada, which is just down the road from San Diego, where one of my businesses is based.

I don't know of any, either.
VB made the claim...it's up to him to substantiate it. But he won't.

Because he can’t...

[Shooby]

Jan 14, 2019 17:44:18 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I know plenty of Canadians who go to Mexico, Honduras, and Cuba, but for VACATION, when it's minus 40 here.
They stay at resorts. Gated resorts are pretty safe.

oh? Resorts with a wall and border? How bout dat.

[Value Buy]

Jan 14, 2019 16:17:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 14, 2019 16:15:37 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If Honduras and Mexico are such hell holes, why are so many Canadians and American citizens moving there?
Does robbery, rape and murder only affect the local citizens?

Gated communities and security guards? Just a thought.

Could be.
Regardless several central American countries besides Mexico have huge American expatriate communities that have risen up and they are not all retirees. Many are people doing their own start up companies through thre internet, etc, or at least run their companies via the internet.
If these are such hell hole countries, why are people going there as a permanent residence? Why would they put their families in such danger?
The weather and the culture is much of it, as well as low cost of living expenses for moving there.
If it is good enough for Americans and Canadians, who are pumping money into the local economy, it cannot be as bad as the migrants claim.
Shit, the democrats say the gang activity in America by central American gangs is a made up lie by Trump, so it must not really happen down there.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 16, 2019 8:39:59 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 14, 2019 16:17:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Gated communities and security guards? Just a thought.

Could be.
Regardless several central American countries besides Mexico have huge American expatriate communities that have risen up and they are not all retirees. Many are people doing their own start up companies through thre internet, etc, or at least run their companies via the internet.
If these are such hell hole countries, why are people going there as a permanent residence? Why would they put their families in such danger?
The weather and the culture is much of it, as well as low cost of living expenses for moving there.
If it is good enough for Americans and Canadians, who are pumping money into the local economy, it cannot be as bad as the migrants claim.
Shit, the democrats say the gang activity in America by central American gangs is a made up lie by Trump, so it must not really happen down there.

Go visit the poor, crime ridden neighborhoods in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. Rent a place in those unsafe/usecured neighborhoods where those fleeing the criminal activity live and report back to us what it was like for you not living in a secured and safe neighborhood.

As for your central American gang comment, wasn't it you who was providing us occasional death count updates in your 'Welcome to Chiraq!' thread? Did you forget to mention in that thread all the people shooting and being shot were Central Americans gang members?

The only thing Central in that thread was Chicago is in the Central time zone.

[Value Buy]

Jan 16, 2019 10:16:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 16, 2019 8:39:59 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Could be.
Regardless several central American countries besides Mexico have huge American expatriate communities that have risen up and they are not all retirees. Many are people doing their own start up companies through thre internet, etc, or at least run their companies via the internet.
If these are such hell hole countries, why are people going there as a permanent residence? Why would they put their families in such danger?
The weather and the culture is much of it, as well as low cost of living expenses for moving there.
If it is good enough for Americans and Canadians, who are pumping money into the local economy, it cannot be as bad as the migrants claim.
Shit, the democrats say the gang activity in America by central American gangs is a made up lie by Trump, so it must not really happen down there.

Go visit the poor, crime ridden neighborhoods in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. Rent a place in those unsafe/usecured neighborhoods where those fleeing the criminal activity live and report back to us what it was like for you not living in a secured and safe neighborhood.

As for your central American gang comment, wasn't it you who was providing us occasional death count updates in your 'Welcome to Chiraq!' thread? Did you forget to mention in that thread all the people shooting and being shot were Central Americans gang members?

The only thing Central in that thread was Chicago is in the Central time zone.

I think you are somewhat confused.
I was concerned about black deaths in the inner city, and whether it was safer than being in Iraq.
I know it is hard for you to comprehend a white conservative male would be concerned about people being slaughtered in the inner city.
I guess I would have to a metro sexual male who is a liberal democrat to do that.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 16, 2019 10:24:28 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 16, 2019 10:16:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Go visit the poor, crime ridden neighborhoods in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. Rent a place in those unsafe/usecured neighborhoods where those fleeing the criminal activity live and report back to us what it was like for you not living in a secured and safe neighborhood.

As for your central American gang comment, wasn't it you who was providing us occasional death count updates in your 'Welcome to Chiraq!' thread? Did you forget to mention in that thread all the people shooting and being shot were Central Americans gang members?

The only thing Central in that thread was Chicago is in the Central time zone.

I think you are somewhat confused.
I was concerned about black deaths in the inner city, and whether it was safer than being in Iraq.
I know it is hard for you to comprehend a white conservative male would be concerned about people being slaughtered in the inner city.
I guess I would have to a metro sexual male who is a liberal democrat to do that.

I'm not confused at all. I knew you were addressing black deaths. But those doing the shooting and dying in Chicago are not Central Americans. It is USA American on USA American crime. As is the case in the vast majority of murders and other violent crimes in the USA.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 16, 2019 10:24:28 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 16, 2019 10:16:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Go visit the poor, crime ridden neighborhoods in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. Rent a place in those unsafe/usecured neighborhoods where those fleeing the criminal activity live and report back to us what it was like for you not living in a secured and safe neighborhood.

As for your central American gang comment, wasn't it you who was providing us occasional death count updates in your 'Welcome to Chiraq!' thread? Did you forget to mention in that thread all the people shooting and being shot were Central Americans gang members?

The only thing Central in that thread was Chicago is in the Central time zone.

I think you are somewhat confused.
I was concerned about black deaths in the inner city, and whether it was safer than being in Iraq.
I know it is hard for you to comprehend a white conservative male would be concerned about people being slaughtered in the inner city.
I guess I would have to a metro sexual male who is a liberal democrat to do that.

I suppose it's better being a metro-sexual liberal Democrat male than an asexual conservative Republican male.

[zibazinski]

They were offered jobs in Mexico. Not interested in working when you can be supported for free.

[thyme4change]

Jan 16, 2019 11:02:19 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

They were offered jobs in Mexico. Not interested in working when you can be supported for free.

Not entirely true. Most of the migrants were within 300 miles of the US border, but over 1000 miles from where they would have to go to apply for asylum in Mexico. Some people did walk back and take the opportunity.

People have been told, repeatedly, that the USA is the best country on earth and the best place for a hard worker to make a good life against the odds. Too bad they believe that.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 16, 2019 11:57:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 16, 2019 11:02:19 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

They were offered jobs in Mexico. Not interested in working when you can be supported for free.

Not entirely true. Most of the migrants were within 300 miles of the US border, but over 1000 miles from where they would have to go to apply for asylum in Mexico. Some people did walk back and take the opportunity.

People have been told, repeatedly, that the USA is the best country on earth and the best place for a hard worker to make a good life against the odds. Too bad they believe that.

it doesn't need to be the best in the world, just the best in the region.

that is also debatable.