The Democratic blue wave has arrived

[Value Buy]

and may be a huge wave with lots of turbulence.
Will Pelosi be able to corral the firebrands?
Will it be even more gridlock?

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/liberal-revolt-threatens-to-derail-house-democrats-on-their-first-day-in-charge/ar-BBRITS5?li=BBnb7Kz

[Tennesseer]

trump is probably hiding under his wife's dress.

[happyhoix]

I think you're right about the gridlock and the infighting.

Not just between the GOP and the Dems, the GOP is fighting amongst itself, as are the Dems, and everyone is jockeying for position in the 2020 election.

I'm going to be interested to see if Pelosi can control the Dems in the House, and I'm also interested to see if Mitt toes the line or continues to be a thorn in Trump's side.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

I am confused. Didn't someone here claim there wouldn't be a blue wave?

[Value Buy]

Jan 3, 2019 10:10:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I think you're right about the gridlock and the infighting.

Not just between the GOP and the Dems, the GOP is fighting amongst itself, as are the Dems, and everyone is jockeying for position in the 2020 election.

I'm going to be interested to see if Pelosi can control the Dems in the House, and I'm also interested to see if Mitt toes the line or continues to be a thorn in Trump's side.

Mitt and the Donald.
Two billionaires that will always pee in the other's Cheerios.

Ever watch CNBC? Many times they have two billionaires in opposing monetary positions going after each other, and it is never pretty. And these are really smart people who have made their fortunes, but really dislike the other person. Money makes it personal for them.

[happyhoix]

Jan 3, 2019 10:28:34 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 3, 2019 10:10:46 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I think you're right about the gridlock and the infighting.

Not just between the GOP and the Dems, the GOP is fighting amongst itself, as are the Dems, and everyone is jockeying for position in the 2020 election.

I'm going to be interested to see if Pelosi can control the Dems in the House, and I'm also interested to see if Mitt toes the line or continues to be a thorn in Trump's side.

Mitt and the Donald.
Two billionaires that will always pee in the other's Cheerios.

Ever watch CNBC? Many times they have two billionaires in opposing monetary positions going after each other, and it is never pretty. And these are really smart people who have made their fortunes, but really dislike the other person. Money makes it personal for them.

Right, except neither one of those guys actually 'made' their own money. Both were born with silver spoons in their mouths.

Both are convinced they're captains of industry, though, even though it's mostly whose womb they popped out of.

[sesfw]

And this so called 'blue wave' will spend too much time in looking into impeachment of Trump and not doing business for the good of the whole country.

Going to be one huge ego fight.

Sad

[happyhoix]

Jan 3, 2019 11:06:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

And this so called 'blue wave' will spend too much time in looking into impeachment of Trump and not doing business for the good of the whole country.

Going to be one huge ego fight.

Sad

Pelosi has said she doesn't think it would benefit the country to pursue one right now, although she isn't ruling impeachment out.

She'll do what any good politician does, she'll gauge what the majority of Americans think. Right now I don't think there's universal support for impeachment, but things happen - especially with this president, with all the multiple investigations open against him.  If some dirty illegal acts get drug out into the open and the mood of the electorate changes, Pelosi will change.

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 3, 2019 11:42:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 3, 2019 11:06:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

And this so called 'blue wave' will spend too much time in looking into impeachment of Trump and not doing business for the good of the whole country.

Going to be one huge ego fight.

Sad

Pelosi has said she doesn't think it would benefit the country to pursue one right now, although she isn't ruling impeachment out.

She'll do what any good politician does, she'll gauge what the majority of Americans think. Right now I don't think there's universal support for impeachment, but things happen - especially with this president, with all the multiple investigations open against him.  If some dirty illegal acts get drug out into the open and the mood of the electorate changes, Pelosi will change.

I keep hearing the "i" word from Republicans.  None of the Democrats, afaik, ran on it.  They should, and most likely will, investigate the many conflicts of interest.  We'll see where that goes.

[Cookies Galore]

Jan 3, 2019 13:00:39 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

She won't take impeachment off the table, and why should she?  On the other hand, without clear evidence that it is necessary and clear to do it she will steer her caucus clear of it, I think.

How dreadfully rational.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Jan 3, 2019 13:39:38 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Jan 3, 2019 13:00:39 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

She won't take impeachment off the table, and why should she?  On the other hand, without clear evidence that it is necessary and clear to do it she will steer her caucus clear of it, I think.

How dreadfully rational.

I know, right? 

Next thing the Democrats will be running a national poll to see how the country feels about Medicare for All.  And getting a bill passed to get funding for at least some of the Federal Govt.  And maybe even an Infrastructure bill. 

[dondub]

  I would think her wise enough to wait for the results of Mueller's investigation, even if that takes another 2-4-6 months. Then let the evidence therein determine

which direction to go. Perhaps there will be some Repos that have a ball drop and decide to carry the torch for America in considering his removal. An ego ridden

retirement on national TV where he bigly pronounces he has full MAGA and it's time he devoted himself to his family. (snic) All followed by a Pence pardon

and negotiating like Hell with plea bargains in those jurisdictions that can still charge him with crimes. His main defense will be that no POTUS should ever

suffer the indignity of an Orange Is The New Orange incarceration.

[Tiny]

Jan 3, 2019 11:06:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

And this so called 'blue wave' will spend too much time in looking into impeachment of Trump and not doing business for the good of the whole country.

Going to be one huge ego fight.

Sad

And didn't the Republicans do that to Obama? I doesn't make it right... but this is what we've got for government and it didn't happen overnight.    

So, yes, I am agreeing with you about it being sad (but maybe for a different reason). 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I must be reading different news because what I've read the leaders of the dem party have said their main agenda is not impeachment.

If Trump does something stupid/illegal enough to warrant it I don't think they should shy away from it.

But as far as I recall and have read so far if there is an elect who ran on impeach Trump he's not getting much attention.

[hurley1980]

Impeachment and open borders: two things that democrats aren't talking about anywhere except in republicans heads.  Oh, and Donald's tweets.

[kadee79]

Well, I hate to burst ya'als bubbles, but there are 2 reps ready to introduce articles of impeachment today...one is from Tx.  Read it earlier, but don't have a link.

Nancy has said she won't take it off the table, but would rather wait until the full report from Mueller....if they wait that long, impeachment might not be necessary...DT might resign in exchanges for something?

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 3, 2019 14:46:16 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Well, I hate to burst ya'als bubbles, but there are 2 reps ready to introduce articles of impeachment today...one is from Tx.  Read it earlier, but don't have a link.

Nancy has said she won't take it off the table, but would rather wait until the full report from Mueller....if they wait that long, impeachment might not be necessary...DT might resign in exchanges for something?

Actually it’s being re-introduced....
CNN
Rep. Brad Sherman, a California Democrat, plans to re-introduce articles of impeachment against Trump on the first day of the new Congress, he said Thursday. Sherman was one of three Democrats who introduced resolutions to impeach Trump in 2017, along with Reps. Al Green of Texas and Steve Cohen of Tennessee, part of an effort from a small wing of House Democrats seeking to remove the President from office.

And, Nancy (imo) is being smart about it. Leave it on the table and wait for the Mueller report. Or the results from House investigations.

[kadee79]

Yes, it is being RE-introduced...but for some what different offenses.

[happyhoix]

Maxine Waters has periodically introduced articles of impeachment too, I believe. Any congressman can introduce them, but without support from the House leader and the party membership, they won't go anywhere.

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 3, 2019 15:03:23 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Yes, it is being RE-introduced...but for some what different offenses.

And the more time goes by, the list of offenses will get longer and longer....

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2019 11:06:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

And this so called 'blue wave' will spend too much time in looking into impeachment of Trump and not doing business for the good of the whole country.

Going to be one huge ego fight.

Sad

if they promised their voters they would do so, they SHOULD spend time doing it.

that is why we have elected "representatives".

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2019 11:42:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 3, 2019 11:06:53 GMT -5 sesfw said:

And this so called 'blue wave' will spend too much time in looking into impeachment of Trump and not doing business for the good of the whole country.

Going to be one huge ego fight.

Sad

Pelosi has said she doesn't think it would benefit the country to pursue one right now, although she isn't ruling impeachment out.

She'll do what any good politician does, she'll gauge what the majority of Americans think. Right now I don't think there's universal support for impeachment, but things happen - especially with this president, with all the multiple investigations open against him.  If some dirty illegal acts get drug out into the open and the mood of the electorate changes, Pelosi will change.

not to quibble, but i would rather that she did what was best for the country.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2019 13:39:38 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Jan 3, 2019 13:00:39 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

She won't take impeachment off the table, and why should she?  On the other hand, without clear evidence that it is necessary and clear to do it she will steer her caucus clear of it, I think.

How dreadfully rational.

yeah.  almost makes me nostalgic for the 70's.

[happyhoix]

Jan 3, 2019 18:05:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 3, 2019 11:42:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Pelosi has said she doesn't think it would benefit the country to pursue one right now, although she isn't ruling impeachment out.

She'll do what any good politician does, she'll gauge what the majority of Americans think. Right now I don't think there's universal support for impeachment, but things happen - especially with this president, with all the multiple investigations open against him.  If some dirty illegal acts get drug out into the open and the mood of the electorate changes, Pelosi will change.

not to quibble, but i would rather that she did what was best for the country.

Wouldn't it be nice to have principled politicians who stood for a certain set of values and aren't swayed by public opinion polls!

Instead, we have politicians who mostly go by opinion polls or what their corporate sponsors want. And Trump, who is catering to a select 33% of the electorate.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jan 4, 2019 8:07:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 3, 2019 18:05:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

not to quibble, but i would rather that she did what was best for the country.

Wouldn't it be nice to have principled politicians who stood for a certain set of values and aren't swayed by public opinion polls!

Instead, we have politicians who mostly go by opinion polls or what their corporate sponsors want. And Trump, who is catering to a select 33% of the electorate.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who understood that the TRUE art of the deal is compromise? (That applies to congress as well)

[happyhoix]

Jan 4, 2019 9:10:08 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Jan 4, 2019 8:07:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Wouldn't it be nice to have principled politicians who stood for a certain set of values and aren't swayed by public opinion polls!

Instead, we have politicians who mostly go by opinion polls or what their corporate sponsors want. And Trump, who is catering to a select 33% of the electorate.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who understood that the TRUE art of the deal is compromise? (That applies to congress as well)

Some of the far right talking heads are insisting Trump won't get re-elected if he doesn't hold out for the 5 billion. I think that's scared trump. Plus you know his wormy side kick Miller is whispering the same thing in his ear 24/7.

He's no longer in the realm of real politics, where compromise is the name of the game, he's ventured into the hinterlands of right wing paranoia and big mouthed talk show entertainers.  

Frankly, I don't think he'd lose a single vote if he agreed to the 1.5 billion that the dems originally offered. He's done far, far worse and his faithful never wavered in their adoration.

[Value Buy]

Jan 4, 2019 9:10:08 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Jan 4, 2019 8:07:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Wouldn't it be nice to have principled politicians who stood for a certain set of values and aren't swayed by public opinion polls!

Instead, we have politicians who mostly go by opinion polls or what their corporate sponsors want. And Trump, who is catering to a select 33% of the electorate.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who understood that the TRUE art of the deal is compromise? (That applies to congress as well)

Can you tell me when Chuck and Nancy said they would compromise on the wall funding. They have said no money for the wall  since the election. Where is the compromise?
Where was their compromise on DACA last year when Trump wanted to do a deal? It takes both sides to make a deal.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jan 4, 2019 11:35:03 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 4, 2019 9:10:08 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who understood that the TRUE art of the deal is compromise? (That applies to congress as well)

Can you tell me when Chuck and Nancy said they would compromise on the wall funding. They have said no money for the wall  since the election. Where is the compromise?
Where was their compromise on DACA last year when Trump wanted to do a deal? It takes both sides to make a deal.

You must have missed part of my comment.

[billisonboard]

Wife: "The new pool cleaning company sent over the two cutest young guys. When they come back next time, I want to seduce both of them."
Husband: "I don't think that is a good idea."
Wife: "Okay, how about we compromise?"

[tbop77]

Jan 4, 2019 11:35:03 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 4, 2019 9:10:08 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who understood that the TRUE art of the deal is compromise? (That applies to congress as well)

Can you tell me when Chuck and Nancy said they would compromise on the wall funding. They have said no money for the wall  since the election. Where is the compromise?
Where was their compromise on DACA last year when Trump wanted to do a deal? It takes both sides to make a deal.

Oh, I get it, after 8 years, now there should be compromise....

Besides that, who can trust a word President Trump says.  Co-Presidents Sean Hannity, Ann, or Rush might tell him something different and he will completely back out of the deal.