2019 WIR Healthy Lifestyle Discussion

[weltschmerz]

Jan 12, 2019 18:27:38 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 12, 2019 17:32:57 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

This has always blown my mind when people do this.

Right! I mean, you were just raving about it and now that you know what it is, it's gross?

Thing 1 had a friend that lived with us for a while. One day I had this really good burger and asked her if she wanted to try it. She did and said it was good. I said "you couldn't even tell it's buffalo, huh?" The immediately spit the burger out and declared it gross. She just said it was good!

Well, if I went to Indonesia or China and was eating a tasty dish, only to find out it's puppies I'm eating, I'd spit it out.

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 17:54:39 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 12, 2019 18:27:38 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Right! I mean, you were just raving about it and now that you know what it is, it's gross?

Thing 1 had a friend that lived with us for a while. One day I had this really good burger and asked her if she wanted to try it. She did and said it was good. I said "you couldn't even tell it's buffalo, huh?" The immediately spit the burger out and declared it gross. She just said it was good!

Well, if I went to Indonesia or China and was eating a tasty dish, only to find out it's puppies I'm eating, I'd spit it out.

Not even remotely the same thing.

[laterbloomer]

Jan 13, 2019 17:55:41 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 13, 2019 17:54:39 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Well, if I went to Indonesia or China and was eating a tasty dish, only to find out it's puppies I'm eating, I'd spit it out.

Not even remotely the same thing.

I think it is the same thing and hypocritical to condemn one but not the other. We are carnivores (most of us) and an animal is an animal. A pig is as cute as a dog and we eat pork all the time. I don't think about it too much or I'd have to become a vegetarian and I really like meat.

[NoNamePerson]

Do they eat puppies in China and Indonesia? I have a friend who lived/worked in China for a while and he never mentioned eating puppies so just curious. May have to give him a shout out and ask. He's been gone so long he would probably tell the truth at this stage in time.

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 17:57:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 13, 2019 17:55:41 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Not even remotely the same thing.

I think it is the same thing and hypocritical to condemn one but not the other. We are carnivores (most of us) and an animal is an animal. A pig is as cute as a dog and we eat pork all the time. I don't think about it too much or I'd have to become a vegetarian and I really like meat.

There is a huge difference between eating an animal bred for food and eating a domestic animal.

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 18:01:54 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Do they eat puppies in China and Indonesia? I have a friend who lived/worked in China for a while and he never mentioned eating puppies so just curious. May have to give him a shout out and ask. He's been gone so long he would probably tell the truth at this stage in time.

I believe so. I believe it's considered a delicacy.

[weltschmerz]

Jan 13, 2019 18:01:54 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Do they eat puppies in China and Indonesia? I have a friend who lived/worked in China for a while and he never mentioned eating puppies so just curious. May have to give him a shout out and ask. He's been gone so long he would probably tell the truth at this stage in time.

They do.

In culinary terms, dog meat is normally blanched or soaked before cooking to dispel the earthier, heavier aspects of its flavour. It is then, typically, made into slow-cooked soups and stews seasoned with ginger, spring onion, rice wine and spices, although it may also be roasted, or served cold as an appetiser. The tender meat of puppies is favoured over that of older dogs.

www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33283694

[weltschmerz]

Jan 13, 2019 17:55:41 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 13, 2019 17:54:39 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Well, if I went to Indonesia or China and was eating a tasty dish, only to find out it's puppies I'm eating, I'd spit it out.

Not even remotely the same thing.

It's exactly the same thing.


"Right! I mean, you were just raving about it and now that you know what it is, it's gross?"

[laterbloomer]

Jan 13, 2019 18:09:45 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 13, 2019 17:57:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

I think it is the same thing and hypocritical to condemn one but not the other. We are carnivores (most of us) and an animal is an animal. A pig is as cute as a dog and we eat pork all the time. I don't think about it too much or I'd have to become a vegetarian and I really like meat.

There is a huge difference between eating an animal bred for food and eating a domestic animal.

Are you going to give up eating pork now that you know some people have domesticated them as pets?

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 18:23:58 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 13, 2019 17:55:41 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Not even remotely the same thing.

It's exactly the same thing.


"Right! I mean, you were just raving about it and now that you know what it is, it's gross?"

I disagree completely.

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 18:26:58 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 13, 2019 18:09:45 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There is a huge difference between eating an animal bred for food and eating a domestic animal.

Are you going to give up eating pork now that you know some people have domesticated them as pets?

No. People have cows as pets too and I'm not going to stop eating beef either.

[laterbloomer]

Jan 13, 2019 18:33:42 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 13, 2019 18:26:58 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Are you going to give up eating pork now that you know some people have domesticated them as pets?

No. People have cows as pets too and I'm not going to stop eating beef either.

So your disgust is only because you are use to thinking of dogs as pets. Once you are a carnivore you have no room to judge people for the animals they eat. Excluding people, even I draw the line at cannibalism

[weltschmerz]

Jan 13, 2019 18:09:45 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 13, 2019 17:57:57 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

I think it is the same thing and hypocritical to condemn one but not the other. We are carnivores (most of us) and an animal is an animal. A pig is as cute as a dog and we eat pork all the time. I don't think about it too much or I'd have to become a vegetarian and I really like meat.

There is a huge difference between eating an animal bred for food and eating a domestic animal.

Dogs in China ARE bred for food.

So, if you went to China and raved over a tasty stew, you wouldn't spit it out if they told you it was dog? You'd keep eating  it?

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 22:16:38 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 13, 2019 18:33:42 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

No. People have cows as pets too and I'm not going to stop eating beef either.

So your disgust is only because you are use to thinking of dogs as pets. Once you are a carnivore you have no room to judge people for the animals they eat. Excluding people, even I draw the line at cannibalism

Why is it so hard to understand that eating livestock is not the same as eating fido?

[laterbloomer]

Jan 13, 2019 22:26:36 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 13, 2019 22:16:38 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

So your disgust is only because you are use to thinking of dogs as pets. Once you are a carnivore you have no room to judge people for the animals they eat. Excluding people, even I draw the line at cannibalism

Why is it so hard to understand that eating livestock is not the same as eating fido?

Why is it so hard to understand that the designation of livestock and fido is completely arbitrary, a man made distinction and not all people categorise them the same. China calls fido livestock and that's just as legit as calling a cow livestock.

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 22:25:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 13, 2019 18:09:45 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There is a huge difference between eating an animal bred for food and eating a domestic animal.

Dogs in China ARE bred for food.

So, if you went to China and raved over a tasty stew, you wouldn't spit it out if they told you it was dog? You'd keep eating  it?

The analogy is not the same. Chapeau was not in a foreign country. The squid did not turn out to be fido.

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 22:32:31 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 13, 2019 22:26:36 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Why is it so hard to understand that eating livestock is not the same as eating fido?

Why is it so hard to understand that the designation of livestock and fido is completely arbitrary, a man made distinction and not all people categorise them the same. China calls fido livestock and that's just as legit as calling a cow livestock.

I disagree.

[laterbloomer]

Jan 13, 2019 22:39:34 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 13, 2019 22:32:31 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Why is it so hard to understand that the designation of livestock and fido is completely arbitrary, a man made distinction and not all people categorise them the same. China calls fido livestock and that's just as legit as calling a cow livestock.

I disagree.

The funniest thing is that you would be on the opposite side of this discussion if you were talking to Chapeau's husband about eating squid. He'd be telling you how there's a difference between eating fish and eating slugs and you'd be saying no there's not, and you were just enjoying it. If you were enjoying eating the dog stew before you knew, the problem is all in your head. Just like it's all in his head. And you get frustrated with him doing it.

[andi9899]

Jan 13, 2019 22:45:07 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jan 13, 2019 22:39:34 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I disagree.

The funniest thing is that you would be on the opposite side of this discussion if you were talking to Chapeau's husband about eating squid. He'd be telling you how there's a difference between eating fish and eating slugs and you'd be saying no there's not, and you were just enjoying it. If you were enjoying eating the dog stew before you knew, the problem is all in your head. Just like it's all in his head. And you get frustrated with him doing it.

I find it interesting how you think you know what I would think. You're wrong. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Lizard Queen]

I have to not think too much about it whenever I eat any kind of meat. It's all disgusting if you think too hard about it.

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

I'm at another hotel in another town tonight and will be here through Tuesday morning.
I've been traveling so much this week that I've completely gone off track on both exercise and eating. That's not a good excuse--I own that.  

I did bring my running shoes, so I can go on the treadmill while here. I am going to do my planks routine tonight and Tuesday morning. I'm writing it here to hold myself accountable.

Even with all of the time in the car, my back is not too bad; I'm appreciative. 

I do hope we continue the ketogenic food choices discussion in this thread. I'm also wondering if we can add a Mediterranean diet discussion. Or any other discussion about food. I have a horrible relationship with food including a problem of very few boundaries--and I don't think the fact that I don't like my food to touch is a boundary that contributes to healthy eating choices. 

[weltschmerz]

Jan 13, 2019 22:38:54 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jan 13, 2019 22:25:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dogs in China ARE bred for food.

So, if you went to China and raved over a tasty stew, you wouldn't spit it out if they told you it was dog? You'd keep eating  it?

The analogy is not the same. Chapeau was not in a foreign country. The squid did not turn out to be fido.

I wasn't talking about Chapeau or her husband. I am talking to you, since you made the following comment....

"Right! I mean, you were just raving about it and now that you know what it is, it's gross?



Thing 1 had a friend that lived with us for a while. One day I had this really good burger and asked her if she wanted to try it. She did and said it was good. I said "you couldn't even tell it's buffalo, huh?" The immediately spit the burger out and declared it gross. She just said it was good!
"

[ners]

Weekly check in

Steps  - hit goal by over 3000.   Keeping this goal at 75000 for the week.

Strength exercise goal 2 days  actual 1.   Keeping goal at 2 days. 

Food - goal not snacking after 9:00.  Did not happen.   This week I think I am going to track the number of days this happens.

Weight - down about a pound since beginning of year.  

Have a great week everyone.  

[flutterby]

I did okay with hitting my goals last week. Especially considering I have a cold I can't shake and haven't breathed through my nose regularly or slept through the night without having to wake up and drink a ton of water to soothe my poor throat from breathing through my mouth. Wow, sorry for that run-on sentence. Anyhoo…

Did 3 days of the step - only 15 minutes each, but I raised it to 10"

Planks every day - up to 1:51 regular and :35 each side

Didn't do arm weights even once

This week:

3 days step - try to increase time to 20 minutes each

Continue daily planks

3 days arm weights

[flutterby]

Also laterbloomer I mentioned this in another thread, but if you're watching carbs and using artificial sweeteners, the packets of Equal, Sweet & Low, etc. have 0.9 carbs each, the liquid artificial sweeteners in the squeeze bottles are 0 carb.

[Cookies Galore]

Jan 13, 2019 23:04:26 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

I'm at another hotel in another town tonight and will be here through Tuesday morning.
I've been traveling so much this week that I've completely gone off track on both exercise and eating. That's not a good excuse--I own that.  

I did bring my running shoes, so I can go on the treadmill while here. I am going to do my planks routine tonight and Tuesday morning. I'm writing it here to hold myself accountable.

Even with all of the time in the car, my back is not too bad; I'm appreciative. 

I do hope we continue the ketogenic food choices discussion in this thread. I'm also wondering if we can add a Mediterranean diet discussion. Or any other discussion about food. I have a horrible relationship with food including a problem of very few boundaries--and I don't think the fact that I don't like my food to touch is a boundary that contributes to healthy eating choices. 

I'm pescetarian and have a very bastardized Mediterranean-style diet (because hello love of burritos and pizza!). I eat fish (mainly salmon) once a week, cook with EVOO (only use butter for baking), and eat a lot of legumes and grains. Plus fruits and veggies. I haven't eaten red meat, poultry, or pork in 22 years. Some of my favorite meals are centered around lentils, chickpeas, or quinoa.

[andi9899]

Jan 14, 2019 0:17:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Jan 13, 2019 22:38:54 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The analogy is not the same. Chapeau was not in a foreign country. The squid did not turn out to be fido.

I wasn't talking about Chapeau or her husband. I am talking to you, since you made the following comment....

"Right! I mean, you were just raving about it and now that you know what it is, it's gross?



Thing 1 had a friend that lived with us for a while. One day I had this really good burger and asked her if she wanted to try it. She did and said it was good. I said "you couldn't even tell it's buffalo, huh?" The immediately spit the burger out and declared it gross. She just said it was good!
"

And I made quite clear that I was referring to the type of animal being consumed. You can feel free to disagree with me if you would like. I really DGAF. There are people on this board who's opinions I value. You are not one of them. What you're doing is trying to nitpick what I said because you have nothing better to do with your miserable life. You do it to everyone all the time and I'm done engaging with you. Have all the opinions you want. I quite frankly don't give a shit what they are.

[andi9899]

Anyway. Gym day #1 for me. I said I was going to add in a 5th gym day, but I didn't this weekend as it snowed several inches. I did get some exercise in shoveling though. So I guess that counts for something.

[ohmomto2boys]

I walked on treadmill Saturday and Sunday - 30 minutes, hills at a 3.7 pace.  I hold 2 lb weights also.  Did separate arm weights Sunday, will do those 3 more times this week.  I will walk Monday, Wednesday, Thursday take Tuesday, Friday off.

Eating - ugh.  I'm trying, unsuccessfully, to watch what I eat and how much.  But I'm hungry.    

[andi9899]

Jan 14, 2019 6:56:52 GMT -5 flutterby said:

Also laterbloomer I mentioned this in another thread, but if you're watching carbs and using artificial sweeteners, the packets of Equal, Sweet & Low, etc. have 0.9 carbs each, the liquid artificial sweeteners in the squeeze bottles are 0 carb.

This is good info. I never knew that.