CNN sues the WH over Acosta ban

[weltschmerz]

Nov 13, 2018 15:44:59 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 13, 2018 15:41:43 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I'll throw in a Trump for free.  YOu pick.  Except for Tiffany. She can stay. 

I'm sure Melania would be chomping at the bit to go.

[kadee79]

Nov 13, 2018 16:22:56 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Nov 13, 2018 15:47:10 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Bieber? Eww, no!

To the topic, Trump should not be able to revoke credentials like that. Acosta was doing his job. Trump is just a snowflake.

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NO WAY...and you can also have CRUZ back too, we don't want him either.

It's called free speech, we can & do ask tough questions...that's the job of the press corp.  As stated up thread, DT works for US....ALL of us whether he likes it or not.  If he can't handle it, he should step down!  Poor wittle baby has to have a temper tantrum & then it gets backed up by a slew of liars...with SBS in the lead.

[thyme4change]

The Republicans and any right-leaning news sources should tread carefully how they handle this. It could set a dangerous precedent.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 13, 2018 16:45:09 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The Republicans and any right-leaning news sources should tread carefully how they handle this. It could set a dangerous precedent.

They’ve already demonstrated an astounding level of hypocrisy

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Trump has banned reporters and networks from briefings before and some legal experts have said he doesn't have the power to do so. I don't believe it was ever challenged in court. Trump will get away with whatever he wants to do, even if it is unconstitutional, until Congress starts to hold him accountable.  

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 13, 2018 15:18:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 13, 2018 13:07:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mr. Acosta's civilian status is irrelevant. Pres. Trump can indeed order reporters to stand down as he addresses the press gallery, and his orders should be respected. Whether the courts uphold revoking a press pass on this basis, we have yet to find out.

Mr. Acosta was not conducting himself professionally. His belligerence was, at best, futile and disruptive; it benefited nobody. He should apologize. Possibly Pres. Trump also said or did things that warrant an apology, but ordering the revocation of Mr. Acosta's press pass isn't one of them.

I realize you disagree with most of this. Just stating it for the record.

Virgil is the Canadian parliament anything like the British House of Commons?  With all the shouting, cat calls and animal sounds? All the MPs shouting down the speaker at once?

Being Canadian, you may not realize that in this country, it's traditional for reporters to shout their questions at the president. It is not disrespectful, it's tradition, just like the House of Commons. Competent politicians know how to politely deflect questions they don't want to answer. They know how to quickly move on to the next question, and still retain their dignity and composure.  At the same time, freedom of the press insures every reporter has a right to be in the room. This is how it has always been, at least since I've been alive, and I suspect, for as long as Trump's been alive, but I also suspect Trump doesn't realize that because up to now he hasn't paid attention to politics much.  It makes him furious that the press won't toady to him, but that's his problem, and not the press' problem.

If you want people politely raising their hand to speak and then shutting up, look at the nearest kindergarten room, but you won't find it at a political press conference.

This isn't about a reporter shouting questions and interrupting the president. It's about refusing to sit down and yield the floor after three demands by the man delivering the briefing. It most certainly is disrespectful, it's disruptive, and it simply isn't done.

Even in parliamentary scrums, where speaking members are peers, a member who disregards the Speaker's directives to sit down and yield the floor is censured.

I fully expect heated questions, loud voices, and a certain lack of decorum during a WH press briefing, but there are still lines, and Mr. Acosta crossed one.

The bigger question is: Does his misbehaviour warrant revoking his WH press pass? As far as I'm concerned, absent action on his part to demonstrate he won't cross the line again, it does. We'll have to wait and see what the courts have to say about it. Even if they rule in his favour, I suspect it will be because the WH had no explicit standards of conduct laid out, and the WH will hasten to remedy that.

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 13, 2018 15:31:43 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

You know, I'm really effing glad Virgil isn't American. Right up there with the biggest Trump ass kissers.

I'd argue the same if this concerned P.M. Trudeau, Chancellor Merkel, or any other world leader. Don't confuse my advocacy for good standards with love for Pres. Trump. The issue has nothing to do with him personally.

If you consider my insistence on high standards of conduct "ass kissing" generally, so be it, but I make no apologies.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 13, 2018 17:06:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 13, 2018 15:18:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Virgil is the Canadian parliament anything like the British House of Commons?  With all the shouting, cat calls and animal sounds? All the MPs shouting down the speaker at once?

Being Canadian, you may not realize that in this country, it's traditional for reporters to shout their questions at the president. It is not disrespectful, it's tradition, just like the House of Commons. Competent politicians know how to politely deflect questions they don't want to answer. They know how to quickly move on to the next question, and still retain their dignity and composure.  At the same time, freedom of the press insures every reporter has a right to be in the room. This is how it has always been, at least since I've been alive, and I suspect, for as long as Trump's been alive, but I also suspect Trump doesn't realize that because up to now he hasn't paid attention to politics much.  It makes him furious that the press won't toady to him, but that's his problem, and not the press' problem.

If you want people politely raising their hand to speak and then shutting up, look at the nearest kindergarten room, but you won't find it at a political press conference.

This isn't about a reporter shouting questions and interrupting the president. It's about refusing to sit down and yield the floor after three demands by the man delivering the briefing. It most certainly is disrespectful, it's disruptive, and it simply isn't done.

Even in parliamentary scrums, where speaking members are peers, a member who disregards the Speaker's directives to sit down and yield the floor is censured.

I fully expect heated questions, loud voices, and a certain lack of decorum during a WH press briefing, but there are still lines, and Mr. Acosta crossed one.

The bigger question is: Does his misbehaviour warrant revoking his WH press pass? As far as I'm concerned, absent action on his part to demonstrate he won't cross the line again, it does. We'll have to wait and see what the courts have to say about it. Even if they rule in his favour, I suspect it will be because the WH had no explicit standards of conduct laid out, and the WH will hasten to remedy that.

If Mr Trump had simply answered the question, none of this would have happened.  I’m glad to see at least one journalist who won’t be brushed off like an annoying gnat.  Answering tough questions comes with the territory and if Mr Trump isn’t up to it, he should resign and let an adult do the job.

[weltschmerz]

Nov 13, 2018 16:39:02 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Nov 13, 2018 16:22:56 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

*Quote removed as post quoted has been removed. - mmhmm, Administrator

NO WAY...and you can also have CRUZ back too, we don't want him either.

It's called free speech, we can & do ask tough questions...that's the job of the press corp.  As stated up thread, DT works for US....ALL of us whether he likes it or not.  If he can't handle it, he should step down!  Poor wittle baby has to have a temper tantrum & then it gets backed up by a slew of liars...with SBS in the lead.

Cruz? Ugh!
Besides, he already renounced his Canadian citizenship. We don't want him back. You can keep him.

[Tennesseer]

Acosta was first banned for supposedly karate chopping the intern.  The White House has now changed the reason why Acosta's banned.

The White House is changing its tune on why it yanked Jim Acosta’s press pass

CNN announced Tuesday that it will sue the White House over reporter Jim Acosta’s press pass being revoked. Importantly, the White House now seems to be changing its tune about exactly why it sanctioned Acosta.

In a statement Tuesday morning, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders suggested that the decision was about Acosta refusing to yield the microphone while questioning the president:

We have been advised that CNN has filed a complaint challenging the suspension of Jim Acosta’s hard pass. This is just more grandstanding from CNN, and we will vigorously defend against this lawsuit.

CNN, who has nearly 50 additional hard pass holders, and Mr. Acosta is no more or less special than any other media outlet or reporter with respect to the First Amendment. After Mr. Acosta asked the President two questions — each of which the President answered — he physically refused to surrender a White House microphone to an intern, so that other reporters might ask their questions. This was not the first time this reporter has inappropriately refused to yield to other reporters.



Complete article here: The White House is changing its tune on why it yanked Jim Acosta’s press pass

[weltschmerz]

Nov 13, 2018 19:00:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Acosta was first banned for supposedly karate chopping the intern.  The White House has now changed the reason why Acosta's banned.

The White House is changing its tune on why it yanked Jim Acosta’s press pass

CNN announced Tuesday that it will sue the White House over reporter Jim Acosta’s press pass being revoked. Importantly, the White House now seems to be changing its tune about exactly why it sanctioned Acosta.

In a statement Tuesday morning, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders suggested that the decision was about Acosta refusing to yield the microphone while questioning the president:

We have been advised that CNN has filed a complaint challenging the suspension of Jim Acosta’s hard pass. This is just more grandstanding from CNN, and we will vigorously defend against this lawsuit.

CNN, who has nearly 50 additional hard pass holders, and Mr. Acosta is no more or less special than any other media outlet or reporter with respect to the First Amendment. After Mr. Acosta asked the President two questions — each of which the President answered — he physically refused to surrender a White House microphone to an intern, so that other reporters might ask their questions. This was not the first time this reporter has inappropriately refused to yield to other reporters.



Complete article here: The White House is changing its tune on why it yanked Jim Acosta’s press pass

Funny how they didn't mention Acosta's "assault" on the intern.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 13, 2018 19:03:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Nov 13, 2018 19:00:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Acosta was first banned for supposedly karate chopping the intern.  The White House has now changed the reason why Acosta's banned.

The White House is changing its tune on why it yanked Jim Acosta’s press pass

CNN announced Tuesday that it will sue the White House over reporter Jim Acosta’s press pass being revoked. Importantly, the White House now seems to be changing its tune about exactly why it sanctioned Acosta.

In a statement Tuesday morning, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders suggested that the decision was about Acosta refusing to yield the microphone while questioning the president:

We have been advised that CNN has filed a complaint challenging the suspension of Jim Acosta’s hard pass. This is just more grandstanding from CNN, and we will vigorously defend against this lawsuit.

CNN, who has nearly 50 additional hard pass holders, and Mr. Acosta is no more or less special than any other media outlet or reporter with respect to the First Amendment. After Mr. Acosta asked the President two questions — each of which the President answered — he physically refused to surrender a White House microphone to an intern, so that other reporters might ask their questions. This was not the first time this reporter has inappropriately refused to yield to other reporters.



Complete article here: The White House is changing its tune on why it yanked Jim Acosta’s press pass

Funny how they didn't mention Acosta's "assault" on the intern.

Maybe Huckabee Sanders will post a new highly edited video of the event. Maybe copy and pasting the picture of Kathy Griffin and the bloody head into the video except overlaying Acosta's head over hers.

[OldCoyote]

So , Trump does not have the authority to order anyone out of the White House?

Then, what about the House or the Senate, Do the speakers of them have the authority to order someone out?

What the Hell,,,, how about the Supreme Court, can the justices order some one out?

Just wondering.

[thyme4change]

New white house briefing:

Reporter A) Question...
Trump: sit down, or I will throw you out, next question.

Reporter B) Question...
Trump: sit down or I will throw you out. Next question.

Reporter C) Question
Trump: sit down. This briefing is over, and if you shout out a question as I am leaving, I will throw you out.

Maybe we should just go back to not having them, as he just rendered them useless

[billisonboard]

Nov 13, 2018 19:08:52 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

So , Trump does not have the authority to order anyone out of the White House?

Then, what about the House or the Senate, Do the speakers of them have the authority to order someone out?

What the Hell,,,, how about the Supreme Court, can the justices order some one out?

Just wondering.

Good questions.

[NastyWoman]

Nov 13, 2018 12:44:43 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 13, 2018 12:23:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I fail to see how the WH couldn't revoke the credentials of a reporter who refused repeated orders by the President to stand down. Not only were Mr. Acosta's actions profoundly disrespectful, tolerating them--or worse, having the courts sanction them--will only invite similar incidents in future.

If Mr. Acosta offers a public apology and a personal assurance that he'll heed the President and Press Secretary unconditionally in future, I can see wisdom in reinstating his credentials. (If he's already done these things, so be it. I'm not keeping close track of the story.) But absent either the apology or the assurance, the WH is wise to hold their ground, and the courts will be doing both the US presidency and the American people a disservice by ruling for CNN in the suit. The issue is bigger than one president and one reporter.

Newsflash! Acosta is not in the military. And trump doesn’t get to “order” reporters to stand down. As he will find out.

Acosta does not need to apologize for doing his job, but trump should apologize for not doing his in accordance with the law (or at all for that matter).

fixed

[thyme4change]

Nov 13, 2018 19:08:52 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

So , Trump does not have the authority to order anyone out of the White House?

Then, what about the House or the Senate, Do the speakers of them have the authority to order someone out?

What the Hell,,,, how about the Supreme Court, can the justices order some one out?

Just wondering.

We aren't saying that "anyone" can wander into the west wing and use Trump's toilet. But, we all know this man was doing his job as it has been done for decades. Trump is a dick who can't handle himself when challenged. This is a part of his job.

As pointed out, no need to ban him, just do not call on him. There are literally dozens of other people who he can call on. If he really wanted to punish CNN there is a much more effective way, but it doesn't make a huge splash, so he isn't interested.

[ednkris]

First of all the president answered the question. It is Acosta that didnt like the answer. What video were you people watching. Acosta asked why are you calling the migrant caravan an invasion, the president replied because that is what  it is. Asked and answered. Acosta didn't like his answer and kept talking. It is perfectly reasonable for the president to shut him down. So keep with all your illusions the truth is right here. It just shows all the bias. 

As far as Trump not be in able to order him to stop talking, the press don't have the right to be there it is a privilege, they are guests of the white house. 

All the people pissing and moaning need to grow up. You will get your chance in 2024

[Gardening Grandma]

From the transcript,
..”Q Mr. President, are you worried about indictments coming down in this investigation?

Q Mr. President —

THE PRESIDENT: I’ll tell you what: CNN should be ashamed of itself having you working for them. You are a rude, terrible person. You shouldn’t be working for CNN.

Go ahead.”

Now you may call that “answering the question”, but I don’t and no journalist worth their salt would either.  

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 13, 2018 21:46:51 GMT -5 ednkris said:

First of all the president answered the question. It is Acosta that didnt like the answer. What video were you people watching. Acosta asked why are you calling the migrant caravan an invasion, the president replied because that is what  it is. Asked and answered. Acosta didn't like his answer and kept talking. It is perfectly reasonable for the president to shut him down. So keep with all your illusions the truth is right here. It just shows all the bias. 

As far as Trump not be in able to order him to stop talking, the press don't have the right to be there it is a privilege, they are guests of the white house. 

All the people pissing and moaning need to grow up. You will get your chance in 2024

You seem to be confused about the role of a free press in a democracy.  It most definitely is NOT a priviledge -it’s their JOB.  It’s the fucking JOB of the press to be there and ask hard, difficult questions. Not to kiss his arse.

And if he can’t do his effing job and answer the questions, he has no business being there.  Again, Acosta is not the issue. The issue is trump’s attacks on the 1st and 5th ammendments.

[weltschmerz]

List of accepted questions....

"Can you tell us again how great you are?"
"Can you tell us again how well the economy is doing?"
"Can you tell us again how North Korea is no longer a threat?
"Can you tell us again how many people were at your inauguration?"
"Can you tell us again how much we need the wall?"
"Can you tell us again how there's no collusion?"
"How bad was Obama?"
"When are you going to lock her up?"

You get the picture.

[weltschmerz]

Trump, stung by midterms and nervous about Mueller, retreats from traditional presidential duties

www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/trump-stung-by-midterms-and-nervous-about-mueller-retreats-from-traditional-presidential-duties/ar-BBPG1i8?li=AAggNb9

When the going gets tough, the "tough" run away."

[Gardening Grandma]

From the link

“Behind the scenes, they say, the president has lashed out at several aides, from junior press assistants to senior officials. "He's furious," said one administration official. "Most staffers are trying to avoid him."

The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, painted a picture of a brooding president "trying to decide who to blame" for Republicans' election losses, even as he publicly and implausibly continues to claim victory.”

Boo Hoo.

[happyhoix]

Nov 14, 2018 4:08:48 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

From the link

“Behind the scenes, they say, the president has lashed out at several aides, from junior press assistants to senior officials. "He's furious," said one administration official. "Most staffers are trying to avoid him."

The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, painted a picture of a brooding president "trying to decide who to blame" for Republicans' election losses, even as he publicly and implausibly continues to claim victory.”

Boo Hoo.

I thought he had already decided to blame Ryan?

[happyhoix]

Nov 13, 2018 17:06:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 13, 2018 15:18:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Virgil is the Canadian parliament anything like the British House of Commons?  With all the shouting, cat calls and animal sounds? All the MPs shouting down the speaker at once?

Being Canadian, you may not realize that in this country, it's traditional for reporters to shout their questions at the president. It is not disrespectful, it's tradition, just like the House of Commons. Competent politicians know how to politely deflect questions they don't want to answer. They know how to quickly move on to the next question, and still retain their dignity and composure.  At the same time, freedom of the press insures every reporter has a right to be in the room. This is how it has always been, at least since I've been alive, and I suspect, for as long as Trump's been alive, but I also suspect Trump doesn't realize that because up to now he hasn't paid attention to politics much.  It makes him furious that the press won't toady to him, but that's his problem, and not the press' problem.

If you want people politely raising their hand to speak and then shutting up, look at the nearest kindergarten room, but you won't find it at a political press conference.

This isn't about a reporter shouting questions and interrupting the president. It's about refusing to sit down and yield the floor after three demands by the man delivering the briefing. It most certainly is disrespectful, it's disruptive, and it simply isn't done.

Even in parliamentary scrums, where speaking members are peers, a member who disregards the Speaker's directives to sit down and yield the floor is censured.

I fully expect heated questions, loud voices, and a certain lack of decorum during a WH press briefing, but there are still lines, and Mr. Acosta crossed one.

The bigger question is: Does his misbehaviour warrant revoking his WH press pass? As far as I'm concerned, absent action on his part to demonstrate he won't cross the line again, it does. We'll have to wait and see what the courts have to say about it. Even if they rule in his favour, I suspect it will be because the WH had no explicit standards of conduct laid out, and the WH will hasten to remedy that.

Here's the point - it is done, all the time.

You need to back and watch video from other press conferences with other presidents. You seem to think they're supposed to be orderly and polite, like a well run fifth grade classroom, when in fact, it's a scrum. It's always been a scrum. Reporters always shout out questions, press for answers, and are reluctant to give up the mike. Other presidents learn how to handle them better than Trump does. That's not the reporter's fault, and trying to ban reporters from pressers is a bad precedent.

If we start going down that path, we'll end up with a handful of reporters from Highlights, TV guide and Fox news, all sitting quietly while the president bloviates.  At that point, what's the point of having press conferences at all?

[OldCoyote]

Nov 14, 2018 8:08:14 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 13, 2018 17:06:37 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

This isn't about a reporter shouting questions and interrupting the president. It's about refusing to sit down and yield the floor after three demands by the man delivering the briefing. It most certainly is disrespectful, it's disruptive, and it simply isn't done.

Even in parliamentary scrums, where speaking members are peers, a member who disregards the Speaker's directives to sit down and yield the floor is censured.

I fully expect heated questions, loud voices, and a certain lack of decorum during a WH press briefing, but there are still lines, and Mr. Acosta crossed one.

The bigger question is: Does his misbehaviour warrant revoking his WH press pass? As far as I'm concerned, absent action on his part to demonstrate he won't cross the line again, it does. We'll have to wait and see what the courts have to say about it. Even if they rule in his favour, I suspect it will be because the WH had no explicit standards of conduct laid out, and the WH will hasten to remedy that.

Here's the point - it is done, all the time.

You need to back and watch video from other press conferences with other presidents. You seem to think they're supposed to be orderly and polite, like a well run fifth grade classroom, when in fact, it's a scrum. It's always been a scrum. Reporters always shout out questions, press for answers, and are reluctant to give up the mike. Other presidents learn how to handle them better than Trump does. That's not the reporter's fault, and trying to ban reporters from pressers is a bad precedent.

If we start going down that path, we'll end up with a handful of reporters from Highlights, TV guide and Fox news, all sitting quietly while the president bloviates.  At that point, what's the point of having press conferences at all?

In a way this reminds me of a town hall meeting one of our Senators was holding,, Hostile crowd, angry people,  and in the end the disruptive people we not even from his district!!!

All they were trying to do is cause trouble.   the result??   No more in person town meetings!

Now we get telephone town meetings,,, So is that what next up for press conferences??

Another thing I will point out,, Trump is the President,, You don't like Trump,, But you should respect the office of the President,,, That most certainly includes reporters!!

[thyme4change]

Nov 13, 2018 10:24:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

LOL, just assign a real reporter to the post. He did not have the balls to even sue. the right of CNN to be there has not been hampered, as anyone they put there would be accepted as a replacement.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cnn-sues-trump-administration-demands-acostas-press-pass-be-restored/ar-BBPEObA

By the way, there are many reasons why having the lawsuit with CNN as the plaintiff makes sense.

[justme]

So the first amendment (freedom of the press) is now just a privilege and at the whim of whether you respect the president to his liking and personal definition?


You better be careful before someone starts applying the same logic to your second amendment.

[OldCoyote]

It Is simple,, If  you want Acosta to get back his "privilege". OK,,

Never call on  him again,,, No Problem,,, I am pretty sure there are plenty of "" Reporters"" ( I use that term loosely)  that have never been called on before!

[swamp]

Nov 14, 2018 8:53:41 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Nov 14, 2018 8:08:14 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Here's the point - it is done, all the time.

You need to back and watch video from other press conferences with other presidents. You seem to think they're supposed to be orderly and polite, like a well run fifth grade classroom, when in fact, it's a scrum. It's always been a scrum. Reporters always shout out questions, press for answers, and are reluctant to give up the mike. Other presidents learn how to handle them better than Trump does. That's not the reporter's fault, and trying to ban reporters from pressers is a bad precedent.

If we start going down that path, we'll end up with a handful of reporters from Highlights, TV guide and Fox news, all sitting quietly while the president bloviates.  At that point, what's the point of having press conferences at all?

In a way this reminds me of a town hall meeting one of our Senators was holding,, Hostile crowd, angry people,  and in the end the disruptive people we not even from his district!!!

All they were trying to do is cause trouble.   the result??   No more in person town meetings!

Now we get telephone town meetings,,, So is that what next up for press conferences??

Another thing I will point out,, Trump is the President,, You don't like Trump,, But you should respect the office of the President,,, That most certainly includes reporters!!

yes, the white house press room is just like a town hall meeting open to the public.  

Analogies aren't your strong suit.